Bruce Arians Puts A New Number On Jameis Winston’s Interception Total

February 27th, 2020

There’s been much debate about how many of Jameis Winston’s eye-popping 30 interceptions were on him last season. The chatter started in September and never waned.

This week in Indianapolis, Bucco Bruce Arians added clarity to the down-on-Jameis sentiment flowing through One Buc Palace.

Arians said Jameis’ woes with interceptions were a lot about being in the first year of a system and receivers not being on the same page. But Arians put a high percentage of Jameis’ picks on on him.

“I loved him and I hated him,” Arians said of Jameis on SiriusXM NFL Radio. “More love, I mean, you throw for 30-something touchdowns and 5100 yards, there’s a lot to love. The mistakes sometimes, you scratch your head.

“I think there are about 10 that weren’t his fault,” Arians said of Jameis’ interceptions. “But I would have liked to have seen a better December. You know, that’s usually, that end of November and December, it starts clicking for us. It did for Carson in Arizona. It did for Ben [Roethlisberger]. It did for everybody. But [Jameis] made some mistakes in December that I didn’t like.

“He’s one of those guys that wants to go out and win the game by himself sometimes. Let the other guys help you.”

Now that was telling hearing Arians talk about every QB he’s worked with — except Jameis — overcoming certain types of mistakes by Thanksgiving.

Decision Jameis rolls on.

164 Responses to “Bruce Arians Puts A New Number On Jameis Winston’s Interception Total”

  1. Formerly Tampa 2 Says:

    Winston has great personal stats, but his most telling stat is losing games. Enough is enough for Buc fans. We need a new blood winner.

  2. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    What about the DB drops ?…30 is still 30

  3. JP_09 Says:

    Cool, he still threw 49 ball that could’ve been intercepted. Not to mention 20 still would tie him with Rivers for 2nd most in the league. 17 interceptions where the ball traveled 10 yards or less from the LOS. He also said “I think”, so what’s the real number? You’re the head coach and designer of the offense, you know the real number, not “I think”

  4. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    “Arians puts a new number on America’s Grop…..errrr, Quarterback” is nonsense. Should he ADD the ones that DB’s dropped? It’s all nonsense. The hard truth is THIRTY!!!

  5. WhyIHateOurFans Says:

    For Jameis sake I hope they let him move on.

  6. Mr. Reality Says:

    Good reporting, but nothing new here in that we’ve known Arians didn’t put all of Winston’s INTs on Winston. How many of the Rivers INTs were not on Rivers. Trubisky’s? Brady’s, Watson’s? Etc. Appy it evenly across the board and EVERYBODY’s INTs come down. This is just bogus BS. Another thing, is the garbage that “Oh, well it takes two full years to get Arians system down.” Well, in the NFL that is system to sh*tcan, because you don’t have two years anymore…not to mention when you really think about it, the logic isn’t there. But now we do see that oh, Carson and Rothelisberger did get it down by the end of the first year. And what GM or HC would really embrace a system that takes to years and also gives a QB a pass who doesn’t get it down (or any system) down at the mid-season mark as a 4.5 years veteran? So much BS here. But it looks to me like they are mostly trying to put out the word that “Yeah, we’ve looked, so you stupid fans needs to go with whatever we decide.” But I close with this: Even at 20 INTs that are allegedly not his fault of NO adjustment to other QBs’ numbers giving them the same equitable review, Winston STILL blew it by FAR.

  7. Bruce Blahak Says:

    Decision “should” be a loud NO!!!

  8. Mr. Reality Says:

    ^^^That is, 20 INTs of the 30 that are only deemed to be his fault.

  9. Patrickbucs Says:

    I would really like to know a better legitimate starting situation JW would be next year if we let him walk for his own sake? And get paid a lot to do it as well?

  10. Mike in MO Says:

    Joe, these are the most ominous words we’ve heard so far from BA. By late November, the light bulb went on for all his previously coached qb’s. But not for Jameis. That is what appears to trouble BA the most. How does BA fix that if Jameis isn’t getting it?

  11. Formerly Tampa 2 Says:

    I wouldn’t be shocked if a trade of Winston is made this week in Indy.

  12. tmaxcon Says:

    “He’s one of those guys that wants to go out and win the game by himself sometimes. Let the other guys help you.”

    considering he has a special olympic level offensive line and a high school level defense for the 4.5 out of 5 years jameis has had to win by himself. hell half his starts cancer93 and the mentally weak lvd spotted teams 20 sometimes in the first qtr…

    Parole jameis this small market irrelevant franchise does not deserve him. Set the young man free!

  13. #1 Pick QB 2 Cent Brain Says:

    More telling comments that Jameis isn’t the guy

  14. Geno711 Says:

    Love BA. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

  15. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Someone please remind me of the meaningful games Jameis won heroically coming from behind…..the guy has more stats than the Congressional Library

  16. OneBuc55 Says:

    @ Formally T2…
    Dude you can’t trade someone who isn’t under contract why do you guys come on here and say stuff like that

  17. gotbbucs Says:

    I’ve had plenty of guys in the work place that I’ve enjoyed working with, and then they start to screw up and we have to have that talk, and it’s like staring into a doll’s eyes. They nod back at you like they understand everything that you’re telling them but it doesn’t appear like the wheels are turning at all in their head, you turn around and a day later they’re making the same mistake again. You can make all the excuses in the world to try and justify keeping them, but ultimately they will cost you money and eventually they will cost you some of your good employees.
    At some point you have to let the loveable loser go and be someone else’s problem. Sometimes they find their way in life, sometimes they crash and burn no matter where they end up. In the end, life goes on for both of you and you have one less headache to worry about.

  18. Formerly Tampa 2 Says:

    Chucky doesn’t like to work with rookies. And if he and the Bucs both miss out on Brady, Maybe Carr will become a Buccaneer in 2020. Stranger things have happened. Lol

  19. Joe in Michigan Says:

    Yes, there were 10 interceptions dropped by DB’s. So it is what it is. I do believe if Winston is back there will be less of a turnover problem. Draft a Tackle that can run block, a good RB, we’re running the ball more. Balanced football, not throwing just about every down.

  20. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    The 64K ??? is whether Jameis is the hedged QB with a drafted QB later rounds ….or a bridge QB signed and a 1st round QB of the future drafted….

  21. Aceofaerospace Says:

    Sooo, at the very least, every game, he threw at least one interception that was completely his fault and preventable if he were coachable. I’m not convinced he is yet.

  22. Jaysephus Says:

    It is interesting that not one person mentions that the last two games of the year also coincided with not having any of the starting (and most of the off-the-bench) wide receivers available. Yes, the interceptions were too high but just when you seemingly get comfortable with the offense and the system, what happens? The QB basically starts over with a new crop of receivers to finish the season. Think back to the game all the first-team guys got hurt (The Hamstring Game). The offense was clicking and it was a joy to watch. Heck, Evans got hurt on a beautiful bomb and touchdown. Then the starters started dropping like flies. I just find it interesting that this aspect is never factored in when discussing the last two games. Maybe it didn’t matter, but it didn’t help.

  23. pelbuc Says:

    I’d take Carr, Bridgewater, Dalton, Keenum and even starting a rookie over ATM! Enough with the who’s better talk. Bucs front office needs to grow a pair and let JW walk regardless of his future.

  24. Terry OHara Says:

    If y’all re-sign Winston, you best be prepared for losing half your fans at Ray-J…prolly go from 10,000 on a good day to less than 5,000

  25. ATrain Says:



  26. Formerly Tampa 2 Says:

    OneBuc, While you are quick to say impossible, you are very wrong. I’ll let you figure out why your wrong. lol

  27. ATrain Says:

    Great Pic

    Jamies getting Yelled at again
    Probably threw an INT

  28. eric Says:

    Lol but did he mentioned the kid lost his two top WR, played with a bad knee and a broken thumb in the last game in Decenber! The funny thing to me about all of this BA is full of BS! He stated the reason OJ didn’t get his targets was because of ME and CG yet the last game of the season with both out he received ZERO targets! I know a used car salesman when I see one and we got one! You like to take risk yet you let other people fall on the sword when it don’t go well! I’m waiting for the one QB that no one had a clue about but BA took him to a high level! The “QB Whisper” my ass! It is easy to do when you have QB with a lot talent go develop one BA go draft a kid late that no one thought can play and perform you “Whisper” magic lol!

  29. Architek Says:

    Seats will be empty if Jameis returns.

  30. Pugs&Bucs Says:

    I got 3 on Howard alone.

  31. Sleepy903 Says:

    Its funny. I come on here and its so many people saying move on and complaining about Jameis and how horrible he is. However on twitter and other social media sites most of the polls have been more Tampa fans in favor of him being back next season. Strange.

  32. seelo Says:


  33. PSL Bob Says:

    And there you have your answer. Franchise Jameis. Bring in a competent backup QB. Let Jameis start all games until Thanksgiving, and then let the backup take it down the home stretch. You make the playoffs and see if Jameis can take us to the SB. If we don’t make it to the SB, and Jameis is a primary contributor to a loss, you let him walk and draft a QB in 2021.

  34. TOM Says:

    Blah! Blah! Blah!

  35. Mr. Reality Says:

    Jaysephus, don’t be silly. Every QB in the league has to deal with injuries. Losers make excuses. Stop that nonsense. Not to mention, if BA felt the last two games is an issue, he’s already factored it in.

  36. Pewter power Says:

    I mean forget the losing record of winston the 5 years and think about what his is saying because win or lose to have a chance in this league the quarterback has to speak and play better in November December. Your picks cant ride towards the end of the season and think playoffs are possible

    Basically everyone HAS played in this offense and not thrown picks to this degree except winston. Keep him if you want but after 5 years he proved he will continue to throw picks

    Hero ball is his issue then wants to tell everyone he ballin but the team is losing because he wants to be a legend even if it means losing games

  37. gotbbucs Says:


    How do the rest of the good QB’s around the NFL manage to operate an offense with 2nd string players on the field without throwing ridiculous interceptions? Or are the Bucs the only team that has injuries?

    Winston had 24 interceptions already up on the board before those last two games. He had Evans, Godwin, and Perriman on the field when he was handing out candy to Detroit and Indianapolis. Explain those games.

    The dudes a head case, that is the bottom line.

  38. Robert Says:

    at this point they need to move on. I’m sure jw harbors animosity for whats coming out of one buc and BA, while BA would love to have someone more consistent, or at least progressing..

    IF they sign him it will only be because they could not get someone else. not a good way for a long term relationship. like asking a woman to marry you after you’ve gone astray and her saying let me check with a couple guys 1st.

    cut bait is best for everyone, no matter how I feel.

  39. Pete I Says:

    The record book says 30.

    No asterisks about whose fault they were.

    They are assigned to only one person on the planet.

    Jameis Winston!

  40. TexBuc Says:

    Winston Derangement Syndrome…………LOL

  41. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Yes that was a very TELLING statement, talking about the other QB’s.

    Very concerning, indeed.

    And even those of us who are the most ardent of Jameis fans should be honest enough with ourselves to consider that.

  42. Stevebobucsfan Says:

    You know people talk their ass off. But no matter what or how these people think Jameis didn’t lose those 9 games all by himself. The Bucs had 53 other players on that team. They are known as the Buccaneers not the Jameisneers Jameis may not be a franchise QB he may not be a good QB but he damn sure is not the reason for the Bucs 9 loses alone

  43. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Formerly Tampa 2 Says:
    “I wouldn’t be shocked if a trade of Winston is made this week in Indy.”


    He is not under contract to be able to trade.

  44. Jonny Says:

    The last point Arians made about Jameis playing hero ball is why he is more useful for a team like Dolphins or Bengals and less for a middle of the road team that could make it into playoffs with smart QB play. I love watching Jameis play for Bucs. Most games are close and entertaining and I truly appreciate what he brings to the table as a QB that plays with reckless abandon. But we need something different. A conservative Winston looks rusty and incapable of turning it on in clutch. He needs to be completely unshackled to display his best traits, but comes with such high risk.

  45. Craig Says:

    Jameis has great personal stats but his team stats still suck eggs through a straw.

    28-42 is the loudest team stat. After that you can get into how much he can let the tires out of the team bus. Those last too games are all you need to know.

    I think Arians is throwing out feelers for anyone else that he can believe in to step up and say they would like to be the Bucs QB. Then he can wash the Jameis slime off his hands

  46. chris L Says:

    his decision making ughhh. joe you used this line before about speaking about the bucs: “sometimes you cant coach stupid”. sometimes his interceptions are absolutely dumb.

  47. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Jonny says:

    “I love watching Jameis play for Bucs…. I truly appreciate what he brings to the table as a QB that plays with reckless abandon.

    A conservative Winston looks rusty and incapable of turning it on in clutch. He needs to be completely unshackled to display his best traits, but comes with such high risk.”


    Very well said, and interesting points, Jonny. I agree with much of what you said. I think many of us have been afraid of the unknown of BORING, check down, not throwing past the first down marker on 3rd down, type of QB play that we DO NOT get from JW.

    I think that is largely why we have been willing to live with the mistakes to embrace the huge production, and the thrills that “good Jameis” provides when he is on a roll and flinging it to guys all over the field.

    The crossroads are coming, and we are going to see if the BUCS are truly ready to embrace JW going forward or if they believe that the time has come to move on.

  48. chris L Says:

    joe – nobody has mentioned these particular excuses fully but wondering what your take is. We know jameis was injured this year with the thumb (and knee?) but played well against detroit. but remember all last summer we heard arians saying he needs to stop throwing to tire him out. could it be that those last two games his arm was shot from all of those practice throws and end of the season?

    it is a worry if that is the case given his age and we need him playing better as the season rolls on. but i was thinking, there has been a lot of talk about his throws looking weak and boy were they weak on those interceptions against houston and the pick six against atlanta. they were lazy throws and some of them were the classic back shoulder pass that just about never works for jameis on the sideline sticks. those were lazy and slow throws so arm strength (or weakness) could be at play as well.

  49. Pewter power Says:

    considering he has a special olympic level offensive line and a high school level defense for the 4.5 out of 5 years jameis has had to win by himself.

    Just curious what the defense has to do with the decisions Winston makes when he drops back to pass? He should actually still be giving Keith tandy a cut of his salary fot thre one winning season he had

    Are you saying never has a clean pocket and never misses throw with a clean pocket, only throws interceptions when under pressure? How is a guy able to throw for that many yards and touchdowns with a special olympic level offensive line. You watch the games yet still have this toddler level like understanding of the fact that the quarterback touches the ball on every offensive snap. Every quarterback takes sacks why is winston the one dropping the ball the most?

  50. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Craig Says:
    “Those last too games are all you need to know.”


    Not really. I mean, I have been pretty honest about a lot of JW’s shortcomings that happened last year. But those last 2 games are not “all you need to know”. He was without Mike Evans & Chris Godwin, and that DOES make a huge difference.

  51. Brandon Says:

    I’m a little tired of the losses being blamed on one person. I’m sorry, you guys think ANYBODY is better than Jameis… anybody? Rivers hasn’t been a big-time winner in his career, neither has Carr… not too many players won like Jameis did in college… but wins aren’t an individual stat. Jameis has played on some dreadful teams that wouldn’t have won no matter who was at QB.

  52. D-Rome Says:

    There you have it. All of the so-called media “experts” out there claiming about 15 or less were his fault can shove it. It makes sense. I mean, Jay-Miss had the best WR duo in the NFL so either the WR coaching was bad, Evans and Godwin make repeated mistakes, or Jay-Miss makes bad decisions.

  53. Destinjohnny Says:

    He led the leauge in dropped picks

  54. Tbaybee08 Says:

    Don’t hear many other NFL coaches trying to blame route running for picks and adjusted numbers based on who’s at fault. No doubt many more were dropped by DB’s. We have some of the best WR’s in the league, in getting separation and being open and making many throws “easier” yet Jameis still threw 30 picks. Not buying it!

  55. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Scenarios I could accept:

    • Transition Tag Winston, Draft Right Tackle in the first, then Draft QB Jacob Eason in round two.

    • If Raiders get Brady and Carr is released, sign Carr (who was on my wishlist years ago, so I’m biased), and let Winston go. It would be sweet if Carr led us to the Superbowl against Brady and beat him.

    • A new contract for Winston. Details aren’t up to me, but something reasonable would be nice. Still draft Eason in round two, even if it means trading up.

    • Dream Scenario: Jones doesn’t tag Prescott and we land him.

    • As much as I want a Right Tackle in the first round, Arians might make a move for a QB in round one.

    • Sign Conklin, open season in the draft.

  56. Joe Cappadonna Says:

    No way to justify keeping this albatross…. PLEASE CALL TEDDY BRIDGEWATER

  57. Nick2 Says:

    There you go, so the Arians system is no excuse. Jameis didnt come around like the others he continued to make mistakes. Any questions? Can BA and Jason please make every effort to bring either Brady or Bridgewater to Tampa? We need a QB who values ball security not “ballin”.

  58. SteveK Says:

    Love the candor from Coach Bruce!

    Fire the cannons!

    Winston can walk the plank!



  59. Joe Says:

    special olympic level offensive line


    Don’t agree but that is the line of the year so far!

  60. Ndog Says:

    Nick2 Says:
    February 27th, 2020 at 11:57 am
    There you go, so the Arians system is no excuse. Jameis didnt come around like the others he continued to make mistakes. Any questions? Can BA and Jason please make every effort to bring either Brady or Bridgewater to Tampa? We need a QB who values ball security not “ballin”.

    See this is where the CLUELESS just believe whatever they are told. Carson Palmer in his last two games in his first season under Arians threw 5 picks. 4 against the Seahawks and 1 against the 49ers. So you’re telling me that is having it all down pat? So you’re saying that 1 additional pick Jameis had is a complete difference maker between the 2?

    Yeah you are CLUELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  61. Buc believer Says:

    Morgus is just SO funny AND original with his take of America’s grip…. err!! I mean that is one we have NEVER heard before! I sure he is in mourning though for the recently deceased basketball player who paid off the woman he choked so hard it left marks on her neck but now he is labeled a hero.

  62. SteveK Says:


    What about the other ints thar wee droppedv

    49 interceptable balls this year!

    I remember. He had 4 picks against the Texans and it easily could’ve been 6!

    Turnover blind and clueless- is you my friend!!!!!!!

    Wake up and smell the turnovers.

    Wake up and smell that BA thinks he’s an “unknown commodity”, and Shaq Barrett is “not going anwywhere”!!!!

    Wooo! It’s a new day in the bay! Can’t wait!

  63. SteveK Says:

    Ints Dropped*

  64. Ndog Says:

    Tbaybee08 Says:
    February 27th, 2020 at 11:50 am
    Don’t hear many other NFL coaches trying to blame route running for picks and adjusted numbers based on who’s at fault. No doubt many more were dropped by DB’s. We have some of the best WR’s in the league, in getting separation and being open and making many throws “easier” yet Jameis still threw 30 picks. Not buying it!

    This is a flat out lie! Our WRs are actually among the worst at getting separation, but go ahead and keep spreading the misinformation.

  65. Ndog Says:

    Oh look it’s the king of the CLUELESS good old SteveK. Hey buddy you just come back to repeat the same pointless comments again and again? I’m sure you can’t wait to trade value draft picks for that known commodity Andy Dalton or sign the glass made Teddy Bridgewater or trade even more picks for the great broken back Matt Stafford!

    Yeah those are all great ideas.🥴

  66. Adrnagy Says:

    Would. Could. Don’t matter. Drop int don’t matter.

    How many drop TD by our receivers/ te / rb ?
    Do you account for Steven k? Or do you only see one way ?

  67. SteveK Says:


    Did you know that in the last 50 years, the team that wins the turnover margin wins the game 70% of the time?

    Do you like the Rays? I’d love to argue with you about them too. 😂

    Even though we are different, and think of each other as clueless, I respect you for being a Buc Fan.

    I just think we will get back to the playoffs sooner w a new QB.

  68. JimmyJack Says:

    It may have been the worst debate in Tampa Bay sports history. Arguing which turnovers are Winston’s fault and which aren’t was completely pointless. Unless you do the same study for every other QB in the league it means nothing. At the end of the day your for sure going to always come to the same conclusion anyway which is Winston threw more picks then our competition. No matter now you spin it the turnovers always put us behind the eightball.

    Nobody that ever argued this either ever did mention poor throws that were worthy of INTs that were not made either due to drops or taken back via pentalty. The entire debate was entirely disingenious.

    Personally I don’t care about the totals. I care more about situations. Some turnovers mean more then others in mine opinions. While some are not a huge deal……….Case in point 2nd Saints game. None of the turnovers of that game were meaningful. They were mostly all desperation plays with time running out. Those INTs didn’t lose us the game. I’ll take all of them INTs any day but just take back the one in OT. Or the one that ended the Texans or 49ers games………..The single game ending turnovers we’re much more meaningful then all 3 combined from the Saints game. Stats are still for geeks.

  69. SteveK Says:


    Agreed that dropped INTs don’t count as INTs.

    However, 49 interceptable balls fully shows that Jameis was worthy of Jameis of the 30INTs. Essentially, when you throw 49 balls that are interceptable, then 2/3 of those getting picked is 30.

    4.8% of throws were intercepted. League average was 2.3%,

    Brady, Rivers, bridgewater, etc are all

  70. Stanglassman Says:

    It was clicking in Nov. and Dec. until his top two WRs went down with hamstring injuries. The team win 5/7 with a 4 game winning streak, lost in OT to Seattle and then to the Saints. Disappointing Dec.? I get that the injuries caught up with them JW tried to play Superman, they couldn’t make a field goal and lost a couple of close games. The only game they got out played in was the Saints game. Jameis’s first 2 weeks in Dec were 450+ yard games resulting in two wins. BA knows all this. I just don’t get this posturing. It’s not a great idea to piss off anyone before negotiating their contract.

  71. SteveK Says:

    Great post Jimmy jack!

    That’s the point I’m trying to make, but the apologists refuse to acknowledge that Winston is responsible for his picks and turnovers.

    You said it “decision making”. Don’t like it, can’t win with it. Won’t improve. Hasn’t improved in 5 long ass playoffless years.

  72. SteveK Says:

    24 interceptions at home!

    Just the 8 home
    Games would still leave Jameis the pick king

    Add in a record 7 pick 6’s

    Bye Felicia!

  73. TampaTown Says:

    Anyone else notice that BA is speaking of Jameis in the past tense? I think that’s more telling than anything.

  74. JimmyJack Says:

    SteveK the only thing I think that fans can’t get past is five years with Winston. I believe the emotions are too strong to look past.

    But we maybe all should realize that in Bruce’s mind only last year matters. Them other four years mean very little to him. The brunt of his evaluation is all focused on 2019 and if Winston can improve in that offense. Like it or not learning a whole new offense is a big deal in the NFL. For sure we can all expect Winston to improve in year 2. How much is a good question……..but I do believe most fans are not giving any credit to learning a new offense because of past emotions. Might not be fair.

  75. jjbucfan Says:

    Hey Bonzai- you will “accept” whatever the Bucs give you-as will we all : )

  76. jjbucfan Says:

    If we re-sign JW3- it would be awesome for Joe to put all the known haters in the cooler until the 4th game of the year. OTW, we have to listen to their same regurgitated arguments but not offering viable solutions for the next 4 months. After game 8- either they come out and admit they were wrong and we move on, or they gloat about how they were correct and put the Winston supporters in the cooler for the rest of the year. Just think about it, LOL

  77. SteveK Says:

    Touché, jimmy jack!

    And to be honest, what fan should feel happy about a GM for 7 years potentially keeping the QB with the most turnovers since his time in the league for a potential 6th year, all without playoffs?

    I get the assessment is on last year alone, and I’m confident as Ted Williams would said, “You’re only as good as your last at bat”. Winston finished horrific, at home, and taking 7-7 to 7-9.

    We started 2-6 and he threw us some games: SF, London, etc.

    I’ll root for Jameis if he’s back, And I’ll critique his play among his peers, just as I do for all players. Excuses are so abundant and outright painful.

    What number one overall pick needs a 6th year to prove it still? Insanity is bringing Jameis back and expecting differing results.

  78. SteveK Says:

    Tampa Town,

    Great point. Heard several commentators mention the tone and message are similar to the talks about GMC last year. We shall see. I hope it is the same, upgrade in FA and save $.

    Pay Shaq, JPP, Suh, Nassib, and draft some more d line. Build a collection of bad asses.

  79. JimmyJack Says:

    Yeah them last 2 games were a bad blow to holding belief in Winston. You could see the team around Winston(mainly defense) get better. I had big hopes for the Bucs in them games to proove they finally turned a corner and on the cusp of being contenders.

    In a few ways they prooved it. Especially shutting down the Texans. To be let down by the QB of all people was a cold slap to the face. It still stings. And yes you can also blame kicker or OJ or Brate but Winston should not be on that list. We should expect better then that.

    Hard to get past but I won’t let them games define Winston. The Texans game especially was one of the worst of his career. I’ll bet he can start strong next year and build some confidence. I’ll stay on the ship and sink with it if I gotta.

  80. SteveK Says:

    Good reply jimmy jack, o arguments here.

    I thought one of Jameis best games was at Seattle and his worst was London or Houston. So up and so, so down. The fluctuation in performance really puts the defense over a barrel.

  81. WestChap Says:

    Can’t dream of Brady but we can hope for Rivers and a rookie. Even with all the public GMC-like comments and the number of vet QBs potentially in motion I’m beginning to fear we end up with Jameis back again on a transition tag at $24M. If so, I hope his ego is a bit more resilient than 2018 when Fitzmagic was supposedly enough to rattle him. We shall see.

  82. Adrnagy Says:

    Jimmyjack really? Emotional? 5 yrs ? ……

    So , if Bruce/Licht/ clyde/ owner etc brings back Winston . Does that mean they’re emotionally attached to him .?

    Bottom line is this … you have has a organization one in a lifetime to go and get Brady. Rivers. Teddy. Romo. Brees. Etc etc but and the end you bring back the guy that makes you smile Winston not because his charisma but because of the potential to be the best not only of this year is crop but all time buc qb He will bring 2 super bowl.

  83. Robert Says:

    Brady WILL be under center next year; it’s just yet to be announced.

  84. SteveK Says:

    Potential is not realized talent. All QBs you listed are better. Less turnovers equals more wins.

    Jameis doesn’t beat top defenses, nor does he win early in the season, or late in the season.

    Let Jameis rest FA and see what he is worth?

  85. SteveK Says:


    Last jersey I bought was a Jameis one bc the uniforms are so ugly. I’d happily buy a Brady jersey. Wow, a dream come true.

  86. Adrnagy Says:

    All things point to his return.

    The Brady conversation is not real. Is a symbolical point of view. Brady is asking 30M. Bruce all he’s saying to Winston is you crazy 30m. I can pay Brady the same and he’s won SB.

    Low ballin Winston to get dline sign watch.

  87. TampaTown Says:

    Steve K:
    I like your plan 😂

  88. JimmyJack Says:

    Adrnagy yes emotional. Fans got pent up emotions from five years of losing with Winston.

    They are not judging how Winston did last year in Arians offense they are judging him on his total five years. Point is they are not giving Winston a reasonable chance to improve in this offense due to the losing under Dirk and Lovie.

    Just happen to think we could see Bruce get Winston more put of Winston year to year. Dirk and Lovie we’re not really know for getting their players to raise their level of play.

  89. Robert Says:

    Brady is worth everypenny of 30 mill. and jw is asking for 27???????

    he’s a proven loser/ATM who is regressing. I’d take a rookie over him.

    Brady gets 30 Mill, we save 18 mill and get picks by trading ME, and slide Perriman in his slot and draft a WR with the pick/s we get for ME.


  90. Clean House Says:

    33 TD 20 INT over 5100 league leading yards playing last month with broken thumb on throwing hand and a jacked up knee (the disappointing December)

    Peyton Manning numbers for the start of his career w this dumpster fire circus that had the worst secondary almost of all time for much of it- and they want a winner?

    National champion in college- heismn winner if I recall

    Also With worst running game in NFL
    Umm- I mean “solid” runnining game

    Maybe dumb and dumber should shut their mouth and sign
    Jameis to a proper deal before they get fired / retire to maintain their political propaganda book deal self proclaimed whisperer Legacy

  91. jjbucfan Says:

    Steve- don’t buy into Robert’s dreams- he is out of his meds…again

  92. Red86 Says:

    What is completely missed is that Evans and Godwin was out during that period. Plus off the street WRs didn’t have the luxury of training camp to learn the scheme. No real time for chemistry with qb and wr.

  93. Clean House Says:

    Forgot the kicking disgrace

  94. Dapostman Says:

    Same posters repeating their same posts over and over again.

    30 interceptions? How bout 300 of the same posts every Winston article.

    The Ladies of the View out in full force with Winston Derangement Syndrome.

    This channel sucks.

  95. D-Rome Says:

    As much as I want a Right Tackle in the first round, Arians might make a move for a QB in round one.

    That would be a stunning move. I understand there is a transitionary period for offensive linemen to develop to the NFL game but if the Bucs opt for a QB instead I would be shocked. Though, I suppose we’ll know Winston’s fate by then.

  96. jjbucfan Says:

    Clean House-you stop it right now!! You are not allowed to make sense and have a reasonable opinion here. You have to hate Jameis or “they” will come for you, LOL.
    Said with obvious sarcasm.

  97. Adrnagy Says:

    Your not listening. !

    You can’t compare apples and oranges.

    Winston is the answer. He’s the one. They know it.

  98. SteveK Says:

    Winston is gone. A veteran and rook are coming in.

    You’re not listening.

    Wake up and smell the turnovers.

  99. JimmyJack Says:

    Either way all of this bickering will be mute in a few weeks. Bruce has been around a long time and he’s been around lots of great QBs. He knows what it looks like. We will have a QB under Center we can win with next year. It’s just a shame some fans will whine either way.

    The bandwagon will be accessible any time though. Y’all jump on later. In case you hadn’t noticed we finnally got a defense to work with.

  100. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    LOL, man Jameis is getting REEMED in that pic, between Leftwich & B.A.

  101. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Adrnagy Says:
    “Your not listening. !
    Winston is the answer.”

    SteveK Says:
    “Winston is gone.
    You’re not listening.”

    JimmyJack Says:
    “Either way all of this bickering will be mute in a few weeks”


    Jesus, I hope you are right JimmyJack.
    Have had just about all of it that I can take, lol.
    At this point, I will embrace whatever is to be, and will accept it either way.

  102. Adrnagy Says:

    Yes. And all you will be wearing a newly design Winston jersey. And problably you will pay retail price for it.

  103. JimmyJack Says:

    Demon…..To clarify this bickering will be mute. After the Bucs sign a QB(Almost certain they won’t go with a rookie) it will just be a new subject to bicker about. If we resign Winston some will whine how they are “done” with the Bucs and we’re doomed to win 5 or so games…….If we sign somebody some fans will be here daily telling us how Winston is better then who we got.

    I’m in your boat. I’m ready to celebrate whoever the team invests in. Whatever decision they make is justified IMO……Personally I would wanna see Winston back but will trust Bruce knows what he’s doing if they go another direction.

    It’s kinda sad that us fans that stay open minded to things have to get caught up(sometimes attacks) by both sides of the extremists on the Winston debate…….One things for sure. The Winston extremists do more harm then good to the fanbase.

  104. '79 Defense Says:

    If Gay makes one of the kicks in the final game and we win before it goes to overtime and where Jameis throws his 30th, I think there would be a lot less negative talk from everybody, including Arians, about if Jameis is wanted back.

    That interception was so needless and never should have happened. It was the freaking worst (and most fitting) way possible to end such a crappy f-ing decade of losing football from an organization that still is writing the book on ways to lose, I think that interception still stings and carries weight in the upcoming decision.

  105. Crabby Fan Says:

    If JW is resigned we will need to adjust our offensive scheme as follows:


    6 out of 9 total losses were at home

    24 ints out of 30 at home

    6 pick 6s out of 30

    5 lost fumbles out of 12 total

    Majority of ints were under 20 yards

    There’s no way around this IMO unless you use dual QB play if JW resigned…

    JW plays away games only when pass attempts are over 20 yards with a hard stop at 2 seconds on play time. QB X under center for rest of plays away.

    QB X plugged in for all home games and plays called under 20 yards with checkdowns. JW only plays at home in 2nd half if down by more than 20 points. Taken out in OTs of course.

    Now for QB X?

    Go Bucs

  106. SteveK Says:

    I will support whomever takes the snaps at QB, but I refuse to ignore the turnovers.

  107. BrianBucs Says:

    If the opponent’s defenses hasn’t dropped between 9 – 11 of Winston’s passes, he could have had 40 or so interceptions.

    I am glad to hear Arians speaking facts about Winston’s poor play as he has been coddled and protected his entire time as a Buc

  108. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Very, very well said, JimmyJack.
    As usual, my friend.

  109. Adrnagy Says:

    because your a two face fan. I bet you was all in jameis At one point. Now suddenly “your neutral”.

    Win or lose. Int or TD. Defense or no defense.bucs all the way. And yes with Winston. Imo he is still a buc and will continue. Until the organization comes out and says we will move forward without Winston then only then I will be neutral.

    JimmyJack Says:
    February 27th, 2020 at 2:20 pm

    It’s kinda sad that us fans that stay open minded to things have to get caught up(sometimes attacks) by both sides of the extremists on the Winston debate…….One things for sure. The Winston extremists do more harm then good to the fanbase.

  110. SteveK Says:


    I’m a true Buc fan and Jameis or insert QBs name here doesn’t matter. Just assessing the investment, results, and historical data or the Win-Loss record being impacted by turnover margin.

    As a frustrated fan of the lack of playoffs, I seek to understand why we are missing the playoffs. The biggest culprit in 2019 was the turnovers.

    Our D was 5 in takeaways, but -13, w/ 41 turnovers bc Jameis had 35 of them. And he had less TDs: 34.

  111. Robert Says:

    @ crabby

    If JW is resigned we will need to adjust our offensive scheme as follows:

    run the ball -1st
    run the ball -2nd
    run the ball -3rd

    All direct snaps to the RB.


  112. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Adrnagy, not sure who you are calling two faced. If it is me, I don’t f’ing appreciate it. — I have stated for 5 years that I am a Jameis fan, and have NEVER wavered from it, in any post that I have ever made on here.

    All I said earlier is that I was tired of the frikking infighting. I am ready to embrace (for Jameis’ sake too) whatever is to be. If he is elsewhere, I will definitely be rooting for him. My hope is that he is HERE.

  113. Siege the Bay Says:

    I love how everyone thinks they are smarter than BA, because of their bias towards Jameis Winston.

  114. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    ^^ Not everyone.

  115. Crabby Fan Says:

    @ Robert

    I totally agree on the run needing to be addressed with both the OL, RBs and scheming to keep opposing defenses honest and keep the ball away from any turnover prone QB.

    I have posted on this in past posts but was just keying in on passing with this topic.

    I was just being sarcastic on the double headed QB scheme though ☺

  116. JimmyJack Says:

    Haha Adrnagy…….So now you are attacking me for staying in the middle on this decision? I guess there is no way to win here. If you are a hater you get attacked…..nuggler get attacked……and now I get attacked by staying neutral? Oh well. I guess I’m taking it from somebody no matter what I think.

    For what it’s worth I did say Winston would be my preference. I just won’t set here and pound the table like my opinion is the right way. I happen to agree with Bruce when he said we can win with Winston and can also win with another. Won’t allow my loyalty to be tied to one player. I’ll support whoever our QB is and will understand either side of this decision on Winston. Til then I’ll trust Bruce knows what he’s doing. If I’m wrong I’ll be more upset that the Bucs are losing rather then my own opinion being proven wrong.

    GO BUCS!!!

  117. asdf Says:

    What I love is people saying that interceptions weren’t his fault…..Like that doesn’t
    happen to every QB in the league.

    Every QB has a little of everything, WR tipped ball interceptions, WR wrong route interceptions, DB dropped interceptions etc.

    Unless you can get access to every team’s game film, and chart every pass with the play as designed, you will never ever be able to fully compare numbers apples to apples.

    Unless you believe that JW has just been exceptionally unlucky over a 5 year stretch (EYE ROLL) its best to compare numbers vs numbers….

  118. JimmyJack Says:

    And to be perfectly honest……I think it takes pretty thick skin to only be neutral on Winston and not be done with him completely……I can tell you this. When I was walking out of that stadium after that OT pick I was pretty freaking mad and about to join the haters.

    He absolutely choked away them last two games. Choked away a possible winning record then a 8-8 mark. Gagged up 2nd place in the division and sent me home depressed again.

    Don’t know what your expectations are but mine surely have not been met. And I am certain that I have been more then patient.

  119. Big O Says:

    Last two games were not lost, they were given away!!!!

  120. Big O Says:

    Both on Jameis.

  121. ROLAND A HAMID Says:

    To bad he is a black guy if he was a white guy we would not be having this conversation.

  122. ROLAND A HAMID Says:

    But no one mentioned the fact that the man didn’t have any running game the bucs running backs had a hundred yards

  123. Tval Says:

    33tds 20 ints. Bruce cant let him go. Thats HIS quarterback. Lol!!
    Id say its even less considering how many 3rd and longs jameis was forced into due to HORRENDOUS oline/run game/playcalling. Lets just be honest. Jameis seemed to second guess himself a ton year one, with bruce not being very imaginative either(giants debacle ALL on Bruce), and it hurt them both. Then it seemed there was a “turn it loose” approach, counterintuitive looking at ALL the talent, or lack thereof, on the front line…again ALL ON BRUCE. Now Jameis having his FIRST, steady, wr corps in his ENTIRE football career will be amazing for his confidence. Listening to some of these “buc fans” is insufferable at best, and raises SERIOUS eyebrows at worst. Its embarrassing what 30% of this fanbase became the day Jameis was drafted. Most are pretty transparent with their hatred and talking points. Just sad really. Dont let the, sensationalistic, media, or people who know less football than Ru-Paul, tell you who you should be a fan. Lmao!!!!!!

  124. Wesley Says:

    How about all the dropped balls by defensive backs that would have been intercepted. It all evens out, stop with the g*ddamn excuses!!!!!

  125. Tval Says:

    Cmon, Jimmy. His wrs were TRASH those last two games. Ot was FORTUNATE.
    Have some FRIGGIN’ perspective. And he didnt have an oline and run game CARRYING him, like, Carson Wentz with my Eagles. And he wasnt playing GARBAGE teams, like, Washington and NYG 3x in the last 3 weeks. Football fans are remedial sometimes. WAKE UP!! I dont care if you went to the game and bought your kid a jersey and it was stolen on the way out. No excuse for being depressed for losing, without your two starting wideouts, a qb with a cracked thumb, and ZERO run game. Again…WAKE UP, PEOPLE!!! Dear Lord. Ive NEVER seen a qb criticized more. I get it though. The media treated Jameis like he was Darren Sharper to get clicks. I just was never that dumb. (That doesnt apply to you, jim)

  126. Tval Says:

    How about the oline IMPLODING in his face?
    Bye, wesley. Lol!! Stop letting espn IMPLODE in yours. Lmao!!!

  127. Mike Johnson Says:

    There were 3 games that can be directly attributed to Jameis which we lost. Some say 4. I think Arians gives him one more year. The pressure will be all on Jameis . I’m gonna make a prediction. Jameis will be much better this upcoming season. Any takers?

  128. Bird Says:

    Jimmy jack

    Nugglers ?
    Is that short for nut smugglers?
    Thats hilarious
    Never heard that one

    Definitely some nugglers here

  129. bucsfan951 Says:

    NDOGG says: “This is a flat out lie! Our WRs are actually among the worst at getting separation, but go ahead and keep spreading the misinformation.”

    would you mind to tell me where you got these numbers from?

  130. SteveK Says:

    Best wr duo in the league isn’t good enough for NDog!

    Wake up and smell the turnovers!

    We are due for a realist repost!

  131. Anonymous Says:

    His record? His QB rating?
    No amount Of BS is gonna change those.

  132. Ndog Says:

    I am just so sick of all of this. This entire process is making me dislike my 100% no doubt about it favorite sports team. In my opinion Jameis is gone at this point and we are going to regret it for many many years to come. Say what you will but mark my words the way they are handling this is going to be one of the biggest mistakes we ever make and that is saying a lot for this sh!t show of a franchise.

    Rip me, call me names, do it all, but this team means more to me than it does the majority of you and that’s why it sucks. Those of us that love this team and love football realize how idiotic this is but the people that don’t really care will just move on while those of us that truly care will be stuck with the crap as a result.

  133. Bird Says:


    Get over yourself

    “This team means more to me then most of you “
    You are a joke
    Nobody cares about your whining

    Everyone on here are diehard fans and come in here 20 times a day
    What a tool
    I really mean that
    If jameis goes (which he wont) you should go too
    Or just keep to college and FSU games
    Little Beeoch

  134. Alstott up the gut Says:

    Move on….. had plenty of time to turn it around. I’m sick of watching young QB success while our guy is wasting the best WR tandem in football. Get someone to develop behind a vet later in the draft and let’s get it next year!

  135. Ndog Says:

    Just a FYI after 6 years in a row of throwing more picks than TDs Vinny Testaverde was signed and became a starter. Does anyone know the coach that signed him?

  136. TBUC North Carolina Says:

    NDog throwin a Tantrum!! Lay off of him for a while Boys!!

  137. Anonymous Says:

    Vinny played in a different era. Wake up! You can’t compare across eras with different rules.

    Do people not see how much football has changed with rules changes and scheme changes?!

  138. SteveK Says:

    So twisted NDog. You don’t have to call others stupid or clueless. Lighten up, Francis.

    Jameis could be set free in FA if Arians thinks he can be more successful with a QB that turns it over.

  139. Blue-footed booby Says:

    Ndog most of us here both pro and anti Winston fans are certainly not bandwagon fans. If we truly didn’t give a crap about the Buccaneers most of us that you say don’t really care would’ve just moved on to a winning team by now like the Saints or the Packers. The fact that we can sit here through this period of time for 13 years with no playoff appearances says a lot about our dedication to following the Buccaneers franchise.

  140. Crabby Fan Says:

    @ Ndog

    Are u trying to suggest that Bellichek might be interested in JW as a free agent?

    Not sure what ur getting at…

  141. Ndog Says:

    Not suggesting anything, I am clearly stating that Bellichek would be very interested in Jameis as unlike most he understands talent and why things happen including what is being asked of a player and how that effects their results.

  142. Fb Moderated! Says:

    Tampa Bay Demon Says:
    February 27th, 2020 at 11:21 am
    Craig Says:
    “Those last too games are all you need to know.”


    Not really. I mean, I have been pretty honest about a lot of JW’s shortcomings that happened last year. But those last 2 games are not “all you need to know”. He was without Mike Evans & Chris Godwin, and that DOES make a huge difference.

    Exactly one of the issues. Without Evans and Godwin, how did jameis fare. Where would the money be best spent? Chicken or the egg? I don’t think it as one sided as Evans and manziel, but maybe Arians sees good yardage with these two receivers from multiple possibilities at qb

  143. TexBuc Says:

    If I am Winston I looking to start over somewhere else on a 1 yr prove it deal. Some are forgetting he had a fractured thumb in his throwing hand.

  144. ATrain Says:

    NDOG talks about living team

    But makes excuse for one player and vilify the others on the team

    Jamies has a big part of the loses but YOU SIR won’t call him out

    AND you talk about love the team

    You are as narcissistic as Jamies

  145. Dan Says:

    Letting Jameis walk would be a shame……….For the other teams defense who feasts on his stupid plays each game. Peace out Jay-Miss

  146. Bucemup Says:

    I was watching First Take today and Steven A. Smith said Jameis should have been defensive player of the year with how many pick 6s he threw. I was embarrassed that my Qb was getting raked through the coals on national TV but at the end of the day the masses only see the 30 picks. They don’t care about the 5100 yards and 33 TDs. Everyone thinks we’re garbage because Jameis is at Qb. The only way he erases that stain would be to come back and throw less than 13 picks and 30 plus TDs. Not sure he can do that. In the NFL you don’t win games turning the ball over. How can you put trust in him that the turnovers will stop. I’m a Bucs fan so whoever is at QB I’ll cheer for but after years on losing the shooting ourselves in the foot is getting tiresome to be honest.

  147. Crabby Fan Says:

    @ Ndog

    I’m sure a few are out there with interest regarding his upside. I don’t blame them and don’t disagree with any of their intentions since JW does have the talent to back it up.

    IMO he should come through all ok and hoping we do too.

  148. Bucsfan951 Says:

    NDOGG says: “This is a flat out lie! Our WRs are actually among the worst at getting separation, but go ahead and keep spreading the misinformation.”

    would you mind to tell me where you got these numbers from?

  149. Natron Says:

    Apocalypse Now for Ndog

  150. snookman Says:

    2 year deal 27million first year guaranteed.
    Draft a QB in the 2nd round

    I would personally like to see him transition tagged just to see what he is really worth.

    Jameis has un real talent. I have never seen such a strong arm and resilliancy………his lack of good judgment does him in.

    He would fit in Chicago

  151. D1 Says:


    He can’t, because he lies!

  152. SteveK Says:


    Jameis is accountable for his turnovers. No to adjusting your view base on what he’s asked to do. He’s asked to win and take care of the ball- he sucks at both.

  153. SteveK Says:

    Belichick would hard pass on Jameis. He doesn’t put up with reckless ball protection, poor decision making, or off the field shenanigans.

    Nice try, Ndog, tell yourself whatever helps you sleep at night. Jameis is not that good.

  154. Ndog Says:

    Then why did sign Vinny T. in Cleveland SteveK? There is a cold hard fact to refute your garbage. Bro you have no clue what you are talking about as I have more football knowledge in my little tie than you will have in your lifetime. Give up you can’t win with me I simply get it and you clearly don’t.

  155. SteveK Says:


    Wrong again!

    So your bragging that the Cleveland Browns signed our past QB to throw 30 INTs? Whoopdeedoo!!!!

    You do not have more knowledge, you’re just stubborn.

    Embrace the turnovers, embrace the losing!

    I am so looking forward to debating the QB situation with you, and will be communicating regularly. I honestly believe I would be friends with you bc you do love the Bucs, but I would be motivated to show you the light. Turnover margin, and historical losing. My goal would be for you to see that QBs that can’t take care of the ball are not that good.

  156. Ndog Says:

    How is an absolute FACT wrong? You are reaching brother and only people that have nothing reach. I’m done with you as you cannot be helped. I will not waste my time on someone as CLUELESS as you bye now.

  157. Jeagan1999 Says:

    I respect Coach Arians, but reject his premise. You could say EVERY QB in the NFL had INT’s that might not have been directly his fault, but none of those other QB’s finished with 35 total turnovers, or a 2.2 turnovers per game ratio!

    Jameis is what he is….talented but turnover prone. He’s been that way his entire career. Turnovers lose games….you can’t argue with the facts.

  158. Eddie Ortega Says:

    I would like to know how many points the others get from Winston interceptions

  159. MTM Says:

    If the majority of DB’s in the league could catch passes. Winstun’s numbers would be like 50 picks.

  160. Ldog Says:

    For all the Winston haters when u throw the ball 50 times a game and no running game u will have a lot of picks.. Plain and simple.

  161. Dr.Not For Long Says:

    We need to go after Taysom Hill his got it all He’s a stud player !

  162. Dr.Not For Long Says:

    We also need to draft Jonathan Taylor from Wisconsin another stud running back I have a bunch of Mama’s boys on our team including Jameis is a mama’s boy

  163. Dr.Not For Long Says:

    So if Tom Brady doesn’t come to the bucs we have to think of another quarterback and that would be Taysom Hill because this schedule coming up is the toughest one I’ve ever seen and we better have a decent quarterback

  164. BucsNY96 Says:

    Idk why anybody has yet to say that for the 2 games @ the end of the yr Jameis didn’t even have his 2 best WRs. Like most QBs in the league aren’t going to be successful w/ that situation.

    I’m very shocked that hasn’t been factored in!