Ex-Buc To Bruce Arians: Adjust To Jameis Or Get A New Quarterback

February 9th, 2020

Joe already has written about how the Bucco Bruce Arians regime doesn’t appear big on holding coaches accountable — even though Arians says accountability is what makes any great team tick.

Some of the strongest evidence of this is the apparent zero change to the Bucs’ coaching staff this offseason — in addition to status quo on the scouting staff.

Former Bucs guard Ian Beckles (1990-1996) was talking about a different area of accountability last week: coaches adjusting to the talent of America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.

“Last year’s offensive roller coaster has made me realize that maybe Jameis isn’t the right guy or the right person for this job,” Beckles said. “We’ve talked about how great of a job John Harbaugh did last year of conforming his QB strengths and conforming his offense to [Lamar Jackson]. Well, if Jameis gets the nod this year, I think it’s up to Arians and Leftwich to work around Jameis instead of Jameis trying to conform to their system. Because it, obviously, had flaws.

“Jameis may not be the best quarterback in an offense that doesn’t focus on the run and takes a bunch of chances. I have zero issues with the Bucs re-signing Jameis. But I’ll have a problem if the offense looks the same next year. And you’ve all heard the definition of ignorance.

“Things have changed. We don’t have to score 35 points anymore; our defense has definitely improved. So let’s be smart offensively, run the ball more. Let Jameis execute maybe some more RPOs, and let’s get to the playoffs again. I know I’m ready.”

Joe partly agrees with Beckles. If there is a Year 6 of Jameis — Year 2 under Arians — then adjustments must come to better work around the most turnover-friendly QB in the game.

It’s not bad luck or coincidence that Jameis turning over the football at a disturbing rate.

Joe will disagree with Beckles regarding the Bucs’ run focus. Tampa Bay ranked 14th in the NFL in rush attempts last season. And that’s a big number for a team that trailed in its share of games.

The Bucs absolutely focused on the run. Arians simply dropped the personnel ball when it came to selecting running back talent, building on one of general manager Jason Licht’s flaws. Also, the team’s run designs certainly weren’t effective or creative.

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177 Responses to “Ex-Buc To Bruce Arians: Adjust To Jameis Or Get A New Quarterback”

  1. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I knew it would be Ian Beckles…

  2. J Says:

    For years coaches have identified how well JW is outside the pocket but to no avail.

  3. Buc believer Says:

    If he held them accountable he may have to get off his scooter and do something… God forbid we can’t do that!

  4. Hoops Says:

    It wouldn’t hurt to get the tight ends more involved with 10-15 yard passes. Maybe a half biscuit is better than no biscuit.

  5. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    New QB

  6. TampaTown Says:

    This is the best take I’ve ever heard about Jameis. Just like Lamar Jackson, stop trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

  7. Eric Says:

    This is my exact point! Everyone keep saying BA offense doesn’t really involve the TE well hell adjust it do you see teams that have TE that can control the middle of the field! That’s what you call great coaching, adjusting to your talent not the other way around and if I remember is that not what he claimed he and the staff would do “don’t tell me what player can’t do tell me what he can do” well the verdict is still out to me!

  8. Couch Fan Says:

    What? You mean Jabooboo isn’t the most unlucky QB in the league?… Im shocked. I thought all those turnovers were due to everybody else….

  9. Bobby M. Says:

    Weren’t we pretty limited in cap space last year? What game changer were we supposed to sign? The dude in Cleveland is a malcontent that cant stay clean or out of the dog house. I don’t recall anyone else that was dynamic and cheap.

  10. DoooshLaRue Says:

    JayMiss had lasik so he’s all better now.

  11. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:


    Jameis Winston will get what amounts to a three year deal with the Buccaneers, averaging around $28 million per year.

  12. El Buco Realisto Says:

    The Buc Realist Prediction

    They franchise jay-miss, but will have another losing season!!!!!! The Glazers will blowout the gm and ole stale biscuit!!!!!!!!! Fan outrage will be so great that a golf cart will be thrown into the bay for another wasted season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. BrianBucs Says:

    This goes back to something that I said several times through the season.
    Maybe Arians wasn’t the right guy to hire to help the Bucs win with Winston.
    Obviously we all know that Arians really likes to throw the ball around, 60 times every game if he could, so you bring him and his offensive style to give an error prone QB even more chances to make more errors.
    Winston gives the ball away like it’s yesterday’s crab legs. So why wouldn’t you hire a coach who focusses more on running the ball and less on passing, and running more play action passes. Winston shouldn’t be throwing the ball more than 20 – 25 times per game to cut down on his turnovers. Instead, Arians and Leftwich tell him to Keep Firing, which leads to more turnovers and loses.
    Arians was hired here for one reason and one reason only, and that was to make a true franchise QB out of Winston.
    It backfired.

  14. Admiral Redbeard Says:

    Why change an offensive scheme that can put up those kinds of numbers, when all you have to do is change the QB to one who doesn’t turn the ball over as much? if you don’t have a Pat Mahomes/Lamar Jackson type of guy, then you need to run a balanced offense, or not be a turnover machine.

  15. 40 TDs Says:

    40 TDs Prediction:

    1) EL Bucanero Realistico (yes!!!!!! that is spelled correctly) will once again go into hibernation by week 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In BA I Trust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  16. BucsFanSince1976 Says:

    Actually 15th in attempts Joe.

  17. fernando diaz Says:

    for the first time I agree with Ian

  18. NPRSageBoy. Says:

    JayMiss would look good in Viper colors

    Peace, out

  19. BigHog Says:

    8 million yearly of that should be tied to 3 stats ::: Interceptions 15 and under 3 million Total yardage 4,800 or more 3 million Make Playoffs 2 million …I know making the playoffs is not a stat but should be a required attached bonus for any contract over 65 million @ 3/years!! What do you think BUCCANEER BONZAI?

  20. Dapostman Says:

    If you think Biscuit and Gravy are going to change you are delusional. I’m hoping but not optimistic.

    When Evans and Godwin missed the last two games and Dapostman was begging for RoJo to get the 2nd most targets behind Perriman it fell on deaf ears at Occupy One Buc Place.

    These guys are more Don Coryell and less Bill Walsh.

  21. Rod Munch Says:

    Do we really need a 1-millionth Winston thread? Where’s the Vipers talk… There has to be more than just me watching this.

    Actually I looked at the Ticketmaster seating chart for the Vipers opening game, and it turns out it is just me, nevermind.

  22. Wesley Says:

    Go Vipers! Come on Joe, football is on. Where is your game thread?

  23. WestChap Says:

    Agree with Beckles… and I like the offensive scheme as it is. Better blocking in run game and better ball placement in passing game (i.e. better talent at key spots) are what we need… so time to get some maulers on the edges at OT… and move on at QB.

  24. WestChap Says:

    Who are these Vipers?

  25. Rod Munch Says:

    The Tampa Bay Dodge Vipers still make no sense – you need to sell tickets and you have Quinton Flowers… If they made Flowers the face of the franchise, said they would unleash him like at USF – in the mold of Lamar Jackson – they’d sell some tickets.

  26. WestChap Says:

    Maybe over at joeVipersFan.com? 🙂

  27. Rod Munch Says:

    The Tampa Bay Dodge Vipers are the 2nd best team in the XFL according to Vegas – they are supposed to have a very good defense. We shall see.

  28. Rod Munch Says:

    The jerseys don’t look as bad in motion as I thought, they already look better than the current Bucs abortions.

  29. TexBuc Says:

    Hoops love your “half biscuit” comment…..lol

  30. Rod Munch Says:

    Well that pre-season XFL top ranked defense didn’t look so great there.

  31. Defense Rules Says:

    This is an absolutely awesome article Joe. I agree with Beckles’ analysis.

    Running attempts don’t really tell me much in terms of EFFECTIVENESS or even run-pass PRIORITIES. We had a grand total of 409 rushing attempts (#14 ranking like you said), but we only produced 1,521 yards rushing (3.72 YPC). And the sad fact is that 3 of our 4 RBs only averaged 2.96 YPC (Barber, Dare & Logan). And if not for Jameis’ 250 yards rushing (4.2 YPC) our rushing average would’ve been even worse.

    Bucs only ran 409 times out of 1086 total plays (runs + passes + sacks) in 2019 … for a 37.7% run – 62.3% pass attempt ratio. Sorry, but that’s terrible, and I’d hardly say that “The Bucs absolutely focused on the run”. Quite the contrary; that’s in the ballpark of some of the lowest run-pass ratios we’re had in at least the past 10 years.

    Agree with you Joe in that BA dropped the ball on selecting RB talent last year, and also that our run designs weren’t effective or creative. (You’re being too kind IMO). Maybe the combination of those 2 is why we only ran the ball on a little less than 38% of our offensive plays.

    Beckles is saying ‘run the ball more’ and I agree with him. But to do that, we need to fix our OLine AND improve the talent in our RB stable. Keep RoJo but draft a solid RB to complement his skillset in Rnd 2 or 3. I also wouldn’t mind keeping Barber as our #3 back & TJ Logan as our #4 back at the right prices (TJ impressed me on the returns). Draft a starting-caliber RT in Rnd 1 (or Rnd 2 at the latest) or even maybe a Guard (IF Cappa is ready to move to RT). Improve our OLine depth and away we go.

  32. Rod Munch Says:

    Beckles is a boring blowhard who literally has no idea what he’s talking about 99 out of 100 times.

  33. footballjunkie Says:

    Ian. Beckles.

  34. Show me the TDs Says:

    Hey, wadda you know…the Vipers have their own Jameis!!! Hahaha

  35. Rod Munch Says:

    Show me the TDs – They have a QB who leads the league in passing and is 2nd in TDs? Anywho be less boring.

  36. Craig Says:

    I am not sure Arians and Leftwich have the capacity to adjust their game to the QB. Lefty doesn’t seem to know how to speed things up or run an RPO.

    I am not sure the tight ends were underutilized in the scheme. I think it has more to do with Jameis’ lack of reading his progressions.

    If Jameis does come back, he will be riding the pine by the fifth game. That means that Bucs really need to draft a QB.

    Even with that end zone interception, both Murray and McGloin look better than Jameis did last season.

  37. Bucky23 Says:

    Any truth to the story that jameis had knee surgery?

  38. Rod Munch Says:

    What are you morons even talking about? Best offense, by far, in team history – points and yards, every passing measurement. INTs come down just like they came down with Palmer after his first year in the offense. Stop getting your panties in a knot and please, for the love of God, stop being such boring dullards that do nothing except say the same exact thing over and over and over again. You do not have any original insight, what you say isn’t interesting, you’re the same idiot that calls talk radio and repeats whatever you last read/heard.

  39. Rod Munch Says:

    Is Roberto a kicker in the XFL? If not, does he want the Tampa job?

  40. Ndog Says:

    Aaron Murray is horrible, my goodness.

  41. El Buco Realisto Says:

    @rod munch

    You are wrong again!!!!!!! Team record for yards is still 2018!!!!!!! In total and just passing!!!!!!!!!!! But as usual, don’t let the facts stop you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  42. mark2001 Says:

    So let’s change the offense…and then when Jameis TO’s lift their ugly head, change the coach, the GM and the Offense again. Then after a few more cycles of the same thing, they will come to the conclusion that many Bucs fans have…Jameis is just Jameis… live with never being consistent enough to win more than two games in a row against good teams…and enjoy the geek show excitement. Or decide that Jameis just being Jameis isn’t enough.

  43. Rod Munch Says:

    El Buco – Team record for individual passing yards you low IQ dullard. Be less boring.

  44. Rod Munch Says:

    mark2001 – We need to fire everyone and rebuild the team every single offseason – that is how you achieve success.

  45. Pewter Power Says:

    How dare you expect BA expect Winston to run his offense like basically every quarterback he’s ever had in the NFL…..the nerve of that guy lol

    Hey if you have to adjust your offense for someone limitations they have no business making 30 million a year.

  46. mark2001 Says:

    Really don’t think we need Barber…either get an H back that can block and play TE, and eliminate him. Or find another RB with more skills that can block. And forget Dare….

  47. Ndog Says:

    Watching the Vipers is just like watching the Bucs minus Jameis, Evans and Godwin. Crappy defense, missed FGs and penalities.

  48. mark2001 Says:

    Or Rod…like I said…you can figure that Jameis is part of the problem, not the solution, and hire another Vet and draft a rookie. You like the excitement, don’t you…. Another pick six…a chance to overcome it, and put the game on excitements shoulders to snatch victory from defeat. Unfortunately the excitement ends with the pick six.

  49. Alanbucsfan Says:

    More over analysis….
    It’s really pretty simple-
    Jameis, despite all his talent, MAKES BAD DECISIONS
    Dotson, a good pass blocker, CAN’T RUN BLOCK
    An upgrade at RB is needed.

    Upgrade OLine and RB

  50. mark2001 Says:

    Ndog.. you should have seen the D the last few games.

  51. Rod Munch Says:

    Alanbucsfan – You left out the part where Winston makes more plays than anyone else. You’re the dope that would want to cut Favre to sign Mike Glennon because you wanted to “win” – LOL!

  52. mark2001 Says:

    Alan… spot on.

  53. Rod Munch Says:

    mark2001 – Better yet, we just change the QB every play – so that keeps the QB on their toes. They’re always one play away from getting benched, that’s the best way to coach a team. Oh, and the good plays don’t matter, only the bad plays. Also same thing with coaches, if Bowles has a bag game, he’s got to go. Everyone needs to be held responsible! That’s how you build a winner!

  54. MadMax Says:

    Get a new QB….Anthony Gordon in the 2nd, and thats after signing Brady!

  55. mark2001 Says:

    Rod…he may make more plays before melting down.. or after melting down and before big plays are to be made to win the game. But when it comes to consistency and leading this team to a win? Not so much.

  56. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Rod Munch-
    Jameis doesn’t win any more than Glennon does, though he is more talented
    Unfortunately, you don’t seem to understand what WINNING QB play is.

  57. Ndog Says:

    2001 the last 2 times the defense was on the field they gave up back 2 back drives to tie the game vs the lowly Falcons. Yes they did dominate David Blough and Nick Foles so yes they must be awesome.

    After being so crappy for so long including most of last year I need to see more than beating down Blough, Foles and Houston minus their deep threat. I hope they are the greatest defense of all time next year and they certainly have some promise BUT I need to see it first.

  58. Ndog Says:

    Alan you don’t seem to understand that football is not golf.

  59. mark2001 Says:

    Rod..who would want to replace a good QB just to give Jameis snaps? Even Dirk wouldn’t allow Jameis back in the game until Fitz melted down. And that was after Jameis melted down off the field. But after he came in, Jameis continued to melt down. He is Mister Exciting Meltdown.

  60. Rod Munch Says:

    Ndog – The first XFL game yesterday was pretty entertaining, the second game wasn’t as good but was still pretty entertaining. This is a big drop off from those games. Also they shouldn’t be playing in these huge stadiums, it really hurts the atmosphere.

  61. Rod Munch Says:

    mark2001 – Hey hey, ho ho, Brett Favre has got to go.

    That’s you in 1995.

  62. mark2001 Says:

    And Rod…Jameis should have been benched a few times last year. But Bruce wanted to give him a chance to redeem himself. Didn’t exactly work out that way against the “lowly falcon” defense in Overtime, did it? You wonder why his resigning is in doubt, don’t you….

  63. Rod Munch Says:

    Alanbucsfan – Winston has had… the worst defense in football since 2015… the worst kicking game in football since 2015… and played the hardest schedule in football since 2016.

    But yeah dummy, Winston is the problem. LOL!

  64. Alanbucsfan Says:

    You are right, golf is an individual sport and football is a team sport.
    But QB play has the most impact on the team’s success.

  65. mark2001 Says:

    He isn’t Brett Favre…not close. You must have just started to watch football, if you think so. Brett Farve..sure…and I’m the next John Elway… Stop looking at the stats during a different era of football, and listen to Brooks, Barber, Lynch and Sapp call Jameis the next Brett Favre. What? They aren’t?

  66. Rod Munch Says:

    Oh God, the XFL is calling these BS limp wristed calls as well? I thought in the XFL they let the guys hit. What nonsense.

  67. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Rod Munch –
    I am not blaming Jameis for all the team’s problems, past and present.
    But you cannot win football games the way he plays.
    Only stat categories.

  68. Rod Munch Says:

    mark2001 – Yeah I have listened to all those guys, and all of them said they would have won multiple SB’s if Winston was the QB here at the time.

  69. Ndog Says:

    Alan QB is also the dependent position on the field but again these are the things the “normal” fan doesn’t seem to understand.

  70. mark2001 Says:

    BTW..I was in Wisconsin almost half the year in 1995. And nobody…nobody… in Tampa, Green Bay or anyone else questioned Favre’s ability to start in Green Bay. BTW..he was much better than a Pro Bowl alternate in one season. But everyone I know in Green Bay now wonders why we aren’t changing QB’s. And many in Tampa.

    You guys are so desperate…Favre…LOL…

  71. Tbbucs3 Says:

    So is Aaron Murray is playing like Jameis minus all the yards and points.

  72. Alanbucsfan Says:

    $30 million for “dependent” Jameis.
    I’m a Bucs fan tired of losing.
    You just a Jameis apologist.
    I’m not against Jameis getting another year , but not at expense of losing DLineman

  73. mark2001 Says:

    So you are saying he is better than King? Didn’t say he wasn’t. And after the first few games that Jameis torched our 99 D, Sapp would have had some words with Jameis…and he would probably have stopped being Jameis. Or else.

  74. Rod Munch Says:

    Alanbucsfan – Lets see…

    Every offensive team record since 2015… been an NFL top 5 offense 3 times since then, something the team had never done once before. Been in the top 10 in offense in 4 of the 5 years.

    The defense has finished 30th or worse, what, 3 times, finished 18th or worst 4 times since 2015…

    Meanwhile last year alone the team lost two games because of kicking.

    But yeah, it’s Winston that has been keeping the Bucs from winning. LOL!

  75. Ndog Says:

    Alanbucsfan Says:
    February 9th, 2020 at 3:23 pm
    Rod Munch –
    I am not blaming Jameis for all the team’s problems, past and present.
    But you cannot win football games the way he plays.
    Only stat categories.

    Alan your statement above is simply not true. We won 7 games last year and if our kicker made one simple FG vs the Giants and the Falcons we would 2 more wins and if our defense could have done anything vs Seattle we would have won that one. So even if Jameis did nothing different we win 10 games and that is with basically no running game, leading the league in penalities and a ridiculously hard schedule. So saying you can’t win is complete crap unless you also include the garbage team around the QB.

  76. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Rod Munch –
    You can ignore turnovers, but they are most important stat in determining team’s chances of winning.
    And MOST, not all, of Jameis’ turnovers are BAD DECISIONS

  77. Rod Munch Says:

    That was a terrible first half for the Dodge Vipers – really bad. That’s not going to help them pass 300 tickets sold for the home opener.

  78. Alanbucsfan Says:


    A playoff caliber QB can have maybe 1 bad game per year, not 3-4 that Jameis has every year.

  79. Tbbucs3 Says:

    People who don’t like Jameis as QB don’t understand that it could be a lot worse…..A LOT worse.

    If you think turnovers are frustrating (which they are) what’s 10X more frustrating is having a QB incapable of moving the ball consistently and scoring points. And trust me there’s are plenty of those QBs in the league.

    Jameis is RARELY held to under 20 points. Which is not easy against NFL defenses and frankly uncommon considering how many low scoring games there are in the NFL. But Jameis doesn’t have the luxury of playing in a low scoring game because the defense never holds opposing teams to low scoring games.

    Every week in the NFL you will see games that are 17-14 or 10-13. The Bucs and Jameis simply do not have that luxury.

  80. mark2001 Says:

    And BTW..Rod… You avoided the question.

    And BTW…that Buc D and Pittsburgh D, along with the great Packer and Dallas D, were among the best D’s that ever played the game. So all we have to do is have one of those to win the SB…don’t hold your breath.

    Sounds like the same guy to me..twins…

    Brett Favre…

    Super Bowl champion (XXXI)
    11× Pro Bowl (1992, 1993, 1995–1997, 2001–2003, 2007–2009)
    3× First-team All-Pro (1995–1997)
    3× Second-team All-Pro (2001, 2002, 2007)
    3× NFL Most Valuable Player (1995–1997)
    Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2007)
    AP NFL Offensive Player of the Year (1995)
    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
    NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team


    New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady elected not to participate in the 2016 Pro Bowl;

  81. D1 Says:

    Defense rules,

    * “Running attempts don’t really tell me much in terms of EFFECTIVENESS or even run-pass PRIORITIES. We had a grand total of 409 rushing attempts (#14 ranking like you said), ”

    ** “Bucs only ran 409 times out of 1086 total plays (runs + passes + sacks) in 2019 … for a 37.7% run – 62.3% pass attempt ratio. Sorry, but that’s terrible, and I’d hardly say that “The Bucs absolutely focused on the run”.

    You say rushing attempts don’t tell much about effectiveness. Then you list attempts . Then concluding the number of attempts rush v pass indicates no focus on the run game. What?

    I don’t disagree with your conclusions. But it’s the work you’ve shown to get there that’s problematic.

    *** ” Maybe the combination of those 2 is why we only ran the ball on a little less than 38% of our offensive plays.”

    Then test your hypothesis. However, I’m not confident that you’ll include the proper data to adequately vet your original hypothesis. Not an once of disrespect intended, zero. It’s strictly based on the contents of this post.

    **** “Beckles is saying ‘run the ball more’ and I agree with him. But to do that, we need to fix our OLine AND improve the talent in our RB stable. ”

    We need to score more . Also we need more long fIeld goals. …….. ….
    Nonsense of course, but no more so than run the ball more. As is the recognition of weaknesses in multiple positions that must be improved before we can run successful. Which is head scratching. ….because of what you said earlier about run pass bal..and everything else.

    Basically, it’s
    (1X-1X = bucs need x, y or z. ) Do the math it’s 0 .. then the answer is whatever you want it to be.

    Why not start with the answer next time. Because the math is not adding up.

  82. Rod Munch Says:

    Alanbucsfan – Again, not true – lets take that Saints game at home last year since that’s a game that dopes will talk about being awful.

    Pick 1 – That’s the OJ around the world deal where he bounces the ball to himself 10 times before it’s picked. Your take: Winston’s at fault because he should have… well, I don’t know how you blame Winston but I’ve seen the idiots here do it.

    Pick 2 – That’s the last play before halftime, long pass over the middle, Godwin digs it out of the ground to knock it straight in the air for an INT. Your take: Winstons fault because he should have threw it higher, even though the idea is you throw it lower to play it safe and keep from a turnover…

    Pick 3 – 4th quarter, down by multiple scores, it’s 4th down at the Bucs 30 I believe, no one is open, Winston forces the ball to try to make something happen. Your take: Winston should have thrown it out of bounds, because the stat line is more important than trying to win.

    Pick 4 – 4th quarter, less than 2 mins left, down multiple scores, Winston is just trying to make a play in an impossible situation, throws INT. Your take: Winston is at fault because he should be able to throw TDs against prevent defenses and the stat sheet is the most important thing, so just throw it out of bounds like Mike Glennon would do.

  83. Rod Munch Says:

    Hey Flowers is in! Thank God!

  84. Rod Munch Says:

    I didn’t know Jerry Glanville was the DC for the Dodge Vipers, that is interesting. All the Winston haters surely hated Glanville since he wasn’t boring.

  85. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Mark Trestman does not trust Flowers at all. Pitiful coaching display from the Vipers.

  86. Rod Munch Says:

    Whenever a player loses their helmet, I always think of Smokey and the Bandit… My hat blew off daddy… I hope your goddamn head was in it…

  87. Ineffable Dullard Repairman Says:

    Agree with Rod on this one.

    Some of you do nothing but regurgitate the same, simple minded “thought” over, over and over again.
    To all of you: Here’s a hint. Break with tradition. “Jay-Miss” isn’t funny, especially when the rest of us have heard it thousands of times. If you think you’re being funny, get a new joke. If you’re trying to be a comedian, I think you’ll find your audiences more accommodating when you have more in your cache than a single joke.

  88. Rod Munch Says:

    Tbbucs3 – I know right, just leave Flowers in there, let him throw the ball as well.

    All anyone needs to do is watch his incredible USF tape.

    For offense, just look at the 2019 Ravens playbook, hit copy + paste, done.

  89. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Rod Munch-

    I’m not holding Jameis responsible for either Saints game

    But these games, Jameis’ poor decisions were partly responsible-

    2nd Panthers
    2nd Falcons

    I’ll concede the refs screwed Bucs on Titans game.

  90. Defense Rules Says:

    D1 … Respect your opinions, but don’t have the foggiest idea what you’re trying to say here. Total yards tells something; YPC tells me something; but attempts? Not so much, in terms of EFFECTIVENESS like I said. Bucs only ran the ball on about 38% of our plays. That’s quite low, even for the Bucs.

    And D1 there was no ‘hypothesis’. Nothing to prove; just stating RESULTS from last year. I simply stated MY OPINION when I said: “Beckles is saying ‘run the ball more’ and I agree with him. But to do that, we need to fix our OLine AND improve the talent in our RB stable.” No idea what ‘math doesn’t add up’ you’re talking about. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

  91. SB Says:

    “Ndog Says:
    February 9th, 2020 at 3:06 pm
    Watching the Vipers is just like watching the Bucs minus Jameis, Evans and Godwin. Crappy defense, missed FGs and penalities.”

    LOL So the Vipers QB turned the ball over 3 to 5 times?

  92. Rod Munch Says:

    Alanbucsfan –

    OK, lets go game by game.

    49ers game… The final INT was RB screen, Jensen runs out to block, turns around, lays out Dare as he’s winning out for the pass. This happens as Winston is already throwing the ball – the ball sails, looks like a terrible pass when in reality the guy wasn’t there because Jensen laid him out. There’s a reason that Arians, after the game, was down on Winston – then after he reviewed the tape said Winston did what he was supposed to have done. Same thing on the other INTs, one was to Barber, according to Arians, Barber was supposed to turn inside, he turned outside, that caused the INT. Also, in case you missed it, the 49ers had the best defense in football.

    The 2nd Panthers game was a terrible game, fair enough.

    The Titans game was on Winston? Uh no, that was 100% BS call on the refs. Also the Titans went to the AFC Championship game on the back of their defense.

    The Texans game was on stupid Brate for dropping the easiest pass of his career on 4th down. The Bucs, at worst, on that drive tie it up. In any case the INT was yet another pass to Dare. Also Winston has one guy to throw the ball to, Perriman, who was hit helmet to helmet and taken out of the game the play before the INT. He came back because of the 2 min warning, but Winston was checking down and playing safe, probably because OJ and Brate were dropping everything and Perriman, who knows if he even healthy on that play.

    As for Atlanta – that was 100% on Gay. The game should have never went to OT, but in any case Winston had no one to throw to. Perriman was shutdown after halftime, Brate wasn’t doing anything OJ wasn’t doing anything and there isn’t anyone else on the team to catch the ball. On the INT Brate just stands there waiting for the ball, but it was an excellent read by the LB – it wasn’t a terrible pass, sometimes the defense just makes a play.

    Give Winston both Evans and Godwin back those final two games, or at least have a legitimate 2nd WR option and those games go differently. In any case if Gay does his job the Atlanta game isn’t even close.

  93. Rod Munch Says:

    The stupid Vipers are finally moving the ball, going in for a TD, and they take Flowers out as the QB.

    Wow, this is Dirk level stupid coaching.

  94. Ndog Says:

    Alanbucsfan Says:
    February 9th, 2020 at 3:56 pm
    Rod Munch-

    I’m not holding Jameis responsible for either Saints game

    But these games, Jameis’ poor decisions were partly responsible-

    2nd Panthers
    2nd Falcons

    I’ll concede the refs screwed Bucs on Titans game.

    So you say the 49ers game where a ball went off OJs hand for a pick, Barber ran a wrong route for a pick and two TD passes were called back due to penalities?

    Titans game where the head coach said none of the TOs were on the QB?

    You blame the 2nd Falcons game when we missed 3!!!! FGs that would have put the game away and one of the 2 picks was a wrong route by Watson and the second one (which should not even been needed if it wasn’t for the kicker) was tipped at the line of scrimmage?

  95. SB Says:

    Rod Munch Says:
    February 9th, 2020 at 3:29 pm
    Alanbucsfan – Lets see…

    Every offensive team record since 2015… been an NFL top 5 offense 3 times since then, something the team had never done once before. Been in the top 10 in offense in 4 of the 5 years.

    The defense has finished 30th or worse, what, 3 times, finished 18th or worst 4 times since 2015…

    Meanwhile last year alone the team lost two games because of kicking.

    But yeah, it’s Winston that has been keeping the Bucs from winning. LOL!


    So based on Winston’s 35 Turnovers which are all on him regardless of WRs running bad routes, Wind, OL, etc etc that Every other QB in the league has to deal with you Still can’t understand that puts 35 Extra possessions on the Defense usually in HORRIBLE field position yields less production for a Defense????
    When your QB puts MORE pressure on YOUR own Defense than the other team?????
    Jesus man. Chicken or the egg? Jameis put our D in SUCH bad positions that they don’t deserve that ranking. OH why were we playing from behind so much when we are second in the league in scoring?????
    Simpleton sh!t right there.
    Oh and I am for JW coming back next yr before you lable me a ‘hater’.
    I am a Realist. Not ‘the’ though.

  96. Rod Munch Says:

    Also for the XFL, ABC did a much better job at the broadcast. They used the coaches audio of calling plays a ton – they stuck a mic in the face of a FG kicker right after he missed, they were interviewing players walking off the field – it was a much more entertaining broadcast. The FOX broadcast is just your normal broadcast and they’re not doing a lot with all the extra access like ABC did.

  97. Rod Munch Says:

    SB – When you run a throwback 1970s deep ball offense, yes, you’re going to have a lot more turnovers than the people running boring west coast offenses.

    But get this… you need to score points to win as well. If you want to lose 28-10 every game with this defense, instead of 34-31, then good for you. But in any case you’re not winning with the worst defense and kicking game year after year after year.

  98. SB Says:

    Rod………….Again I am for JW coming back. However if you think it is more on the rest of the offense than it is Jameis then I have no more conversation for you.

  99. D1 Says:


    It could get worse!

    Finding a top QB isn’t easy and the Bucs long history of QB’S is testament to that fact. As is the last decade of 1st round QB busts league wise indicates that it’s not only the Bucs who have had trouble in this area. You’re absolutely right.

    But , it’s getting easier to find QB’S who have the ability to come in right away and succeed. The results show the trend line moving up.

    The league no longer penalizes , financially, the risk element associated with drafting a QB as was the case in years past. Now, the risk is in continuing to the 2nd contract with an unproven QB. Huge difference in risk allocation has occurred and most fans haven’t incorporated that fact into their thinking.

    Last, fear of success or fear of losing, is at the end of most decisions in life and in football. Some people rather win than not lose. What’s interesting is that idea is , from what I have observed with jbf, counter to how many people feel about winston. Just an observation.

    To finish the thought, sports is not a place where these two opposing thoughts should ever come into play. If anyone believes Winston’s future is do or die they should seek professional help. Winston’s future and the franchise are hanging in the balance. A fan is just that a paying customer to a business providing a service.

    Why not approach sports as a play of no compromise, win or die trying. Can’t make life decisions with that philosophy. So why not substitute sports as that proxy.

    Why as a fan, are you , worried about. ..going backwards!
    Wake up the f up!
    Youre a fan of the bucs….backwards is all you know.
    And it’s what you deserve.
    Unless you raise the red flag and demand booty.

    “Fear exists in this stadium”
    Frank kreese.

  100. Rod Munch Says:

    The replay official is using an XBOX controller instead of a jog shuttle, that’s weird.

  101. SB Says:

    PS you will ALWAYS have the worst defense in the league if you LEAD the league in Offensive turnovers because your Offense is Always putting your D in Horrible situations

  102. ATrain Says:

    Adjust to Jamies

    Three coaches trying to adjust to Jamies

    How do you adjust to INT and pick 6 ???

    Run the ball and keep it out of Jamies hands

    OR get a QB

  103. Rod Munch Says:

    SB – If you think every INT is on the QB and you’re never allowed to point out that no, they’re not all on the QB, then you’re just being a bore. That’s nonsense, it’s just bumper sticker talk to say everything is on the QB no matter what. I got no time for that.

  104. Rod Munch Says:

    SB – You’re always going to lead the league in TO’s if you run a deep ball offense and your defense is putting you down 21-0 by the start of the 2nd quarter when you’ve had the ball twice with no TO’s.

    It’s literally been the defense putting the offense in terrible situations, obvious passing situations, that have lead to the overwhelming majority of turnovers. That’s a fact, jack.

  105. D1 Says:

    It’s obvious some people have never heard , it’s a 60mins game.

    If it really was about 1 single play, then the game starts time should 1.00 PM
    and ends 1.01PM. Obviously, that’s ridiculous. But no more so than the path many people will travel to excuse the previous 59mins. Both are absurd.

  106. Alanbucsfan Says:

    1) I said partly responsible , you really should be more honest with yourself on analyzing his play
    2) If a QB is going to get top $$ 15-18% of cap space, then he better be a Pro Bowler and WINNER

  107. Rod Munch Says:

    Alanbucsfan – Yeah, like your QB if they get that money should do something, like lead the league in passing, or have the 2nd most TDs…

  108. Ndog Says:

    So SB why was the defense trash vs Rams (1TO), Giants (1TO), first NO game (0 TO), Seattle (1TO)?

  109. SB Says:

    ALL INTS are put on the QB stat wise. How hard is that to understand.
    Are all of them on the QB alone? NO. However Every QB has the Exact same problems. Dude, JW makes BAD decisions. PERIOD! He also makes Incredible plays, some of them Completely Ill advised throws that work out.
    Jeesh man I am not bashing JW. I am just being real. DUDE makes crazy stupid throws when he doesn’t need to. He is so locked into one play sometimes he completely misses a wide open huge gain. AS DO Other Qbs. He just does it at a higher rate than most and that’s a fact Jack!

  110. Rod Munch Says:

    OMG these stupid Vipers, again, moving the ball at will with Flowers, and they bring Murray back in who does nothing, turns the ball over on downs…

    This is amazingly awful coaching.

    This is like the Super Bowl with the 49ers moving the ball at will, then they stop running the ball and decide that Jimmy G is how you win the game…

  111. SB Says:

    I live in Montana and believe me your argument is what I live on here.
    Nobody here believes in JW. They are all Packers, Seahawks, or Denver here. I am one of only two Bucs fans in town. I tell them all that if you lead the league in attempts it is logical that you lead in TDs and Picks as well
    All I got here lol

  112. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Rod Munch-

    I’m not denying his talent, but if you can’t see the turnovers are a BIG problem and they are mostly Jameis’ bad decisions, then you just don’t get it.

  113. SB Says:

    I wish I could get the Vipers game but I am sure Direct TV doesn’t have it up here.

  114. Rod Munch Says:

    SB – Yes, Winston makes bad plays, every single QB in the league does. What I said was not ALL INTs are on him, you disagreed with that earlier. If you’re not disagreeing with that, then we agree.

    My point is I’m bored to death with people who just blame Winston for everything, say fake news things like he’s the reason we’ve been losing. That’s nonsense. Outside of maybe Mahomes, there isn’t a QB who would win with this team. Rodgers was losing for season after season and he had a much better defense and wasn’t turning it over. Losing isn’t based on the QB protecting the ball, losing is based on scoring less points than the other team.

  115. Rod Munch Says:

    SB – Vipers are on broadcast FOX today. FOX, FS1, ABC and ESPN are carrying the games this season I believe.

  116. Wesley Says:

    Naturally the Vipers are the worst team in the league. I mean come on, the football gods clearly hate Tampa.

  117. SB Says:

    Wow. Can’t believe it actually on way up here. Thanks Rod. I can watch them lose for the next 3 minutes Lol

  118. Rod Munch Says:

    Alanbucsfan – Yes, the TO’s are higher than you want this year. They will come down next year, the exact same way that Carson Palmer threw a career number of picks his first year under Arians. When you throw the ball deep a ton (and Winston had over a 1000 more air yards than the 2nd leading passer Dak) you’re going to have more turnovers than anyone else.

    Next year Winston should have around 4700 yards, 35 TDs and probably down to around 15 INTs as the Bucs go 11-5.

  119. Tbbucs3 Says:


    Your argument is about how managing a team conservatively will ultimately put you in a losing situation and I agree but…….

    Isn’t signing Jameis Winston perhaps the most aggressive move you could make? Because you already have a guy who’s capable of throwing for 30 TDs and 5,000 yards but you’d just have to bank on if he can limit his INT numbers. The upside is huge in that regard.

    The “safe” choice is going after a mediocre free agent QB like Rivers or Dalton who will put up decent stats but won’t go above and beyond like Winston is capable of doing.

  120. Ndog Says:

    No not every QB faces the same situations. That is a lie! Does every QB play on a team that leads the league in penalities? Was every QB playing in a brand new offense? Was every QB playing behind a line with zero pro bowlers yet was expected to carry the offense with a bottom 10 running game? Was every QB playing the last 3 games without his #1, 2 and 4 WRs? Was every QB playing the last 3 and half games with a broken thumb? Was every QB playing with a torn meniscus most of the season? Every situation is not the same. And despite all of that the dude threw for 5,000 yards and 33 TDs and lead the #3 scoring offense in the league! Yet people are constantly acting like he was a problem when the fact is he was one of the few things we did well. Our running game sucked. Our defense for most of the year sucked. Our kicker sucker whenever it matter. And again we committed the most penalities in the freaking league. Our passing game lead by Jameis, Evans and Godwin were the only reason we were in many games yet he’s the problem? Really?!?!?!

  121. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Rod Munch- If what you say comes true, great!
    But I wouldn’t pay him top $$ until he shows he can do that, especially if it means losing JPP or Suh or not getting a FA Olineman or RB.
    30 picks is NOT “ballin’”

  122. Rod Munch Says:

    Alanbucsfan – In a league where Glennon gets $14m, you’re going to pay Winston around $30m.

    Also the Bucs have the cap space to pay everyone – they just have to move on from Brate, Gholston and personally I’d cut Jensen, I don’t think he’s worth $10m.

    Do that, draft a center and a RT early, and you can keep everyone on defense.

  123. SB Says:

    “What I said was not ALL INTs are on him, you disagreed with that earlier. If you’re not disagreeing with that, then we agree.”

    No, we totally agree. It was part sarcasm part facetiousness. Every Qb has to deal with everything JW does. I have been a staunch supporter of JW since he was drafted. Only Gator fan on this site I am sure. Point being he has the best receiving corps in the league IMO.
    No Way are all of JWs INTs are on him. However, we knew this draft day, we expected this tho get better. ” Most NFL ready QB in this draft”
    I FULLY believe if we can keep the core of the Front 7 together we make the playoffs next yr WITH JW.
    Just hope we can keep Shaq, JPP, and Nassib.

  124. Rod Munch Says:

    Man, that was a USF throw by Flowers there.

    Flowers is going to earn himself back onto an NFL roster, this time as a QB. It makes all the sense in the world for him to be in Baltimore as the backup. Him and Lamar Jackson were basically the same guy in college, just Flowers was a better runner and had a better deep ball.

  125. Defense Rules Says:

    Rod … “It’s literally been the defense putting the offense in terrible situations, obvious passing situations, that have lead to the overwhelming majority of turnovers. That’s a fact, jack.”

    Seriously Rod? That’s a FACT that the defense putting the offense put the offense in terrible situations? And that led to the overwhelming majority of turnovers?

    And in how many games were the Bucs down 21-0 by the start of the 2nd quarter like you contended?

    o Game 1: Bucs were AHEAD 7-3 at the start of the 2nd qtr thanks to VHIII’s Pick-6, but were down 20-7 to the 49ers after 8 minutes into the 3rd qtr. Reason? 2 INTs by Jameis. Damned defense.
    o Game 2: Down 6-3 at start of 2nd qtr (Bucs had 4 punts in the 1st half).
    o Game 3: Bucs ahead 12-10 at start of 2nd qtr, and ahead 28-10 at the half.
    o Game 4: Bucs ahead 21-0 after 12 mins into 2nd qtr.
    o Game 5: Bucs down 10-7 early in 2nd qtr.
    o Game 6: Bucs down 17-7 at the half (2 INTs & fumble in 1st half didn’t help).
    o Game 7: Bucs down 14-6 at start of 2nd qtr (1 INT & fumble didn’t help).
    o Game 8: Bucs ahead 21-7 at start of 2nd qtr.

    Tell ya what Rod, this is getting boring. Why don’t you finish out the last 8 games. The ONLY game we were down by what you stated as FACT was 20-0 at the start of the 2nd qtr was Game 9 against New Orleans. Bucs drives up to that point: Punt, INT, Punt. Subsequent to that, Bucs’ offense had THREE MORE INTs on our way to losing 34-17 to the Saints.

    Damned defense.

  126. SB Says:

    What I mean earlier Rod was that INTs are on a QBs stats period. There are not asterisks. The fans argue that

  127. Scotty in Fat Antonio Says:

    I was watching the vipers game and low and behold, a Bucs game broke out.

  128. Rod Munch Says:

    Defense Rules – I was talking about his career in total kiddo.

  129. SB Says:

    I see what you did there DR

  130. SB Says:

    Not a good showing for a Tampa Football Team today.
    Wonder how that feels?

  131. Rod Munch Says:

    Hopefully for the Vipers they just turn the offense over the Flowers… Murray reminds me of watch Rob Johnson.

    IF they do turn to Flowers, just run the ball and let what is supposed to be a good defense do their job, they should be in good shape I believe. Plus they’ll sell some tickets and not have 800 people at RayJay.

  132. Rod Munch Says:

    I was very disappointed to learn that the Vipers had traded away Freddy Martino earlier this offseason. I kept waiting for him to show up on the field, only to google his name after the game and find how he wasn’t on the field.

  133. SB Says:

    Man I wish I could live down there sometimes. Even if I bought a place down there just to go watch games it just isn’t profitable without the Bucs actually Winning. Costs too much to fly to a game you lose and be happy about the wallet absence.

  134. Ndog Says:

    Like I said earlier today watching the Vipers is like watching the Bucs without Jameis, Evans and Godwin. Crappy defense, crappy kicking and crappy running game and oh yeah a ton of penalities.

  135. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Rod Munch and NDog

    Please name me another team(s) that will pay Jameis $25-30 million/ year.

  136. Ndog Says:

    I have no idea but at least one will but that’s irrelevant cause we ask much more from our QB than most teams do.

  137. SB Says:

    The first four words of your comment made the most sense overall.

  138. SteveK Says:


    I understand Arians down field attack, but to say we ask more of our QB than anyone. That’s preposterous. No sir. Any QB’s job is to win games. Jameis doesn’t win games, but loses them in extraordinarily unique way in which includes lots of yards and points for both teams. Not a recipe for making the playoffs, as evidenced by 2019 and the four years prior.

    I agree that one team may pay him, I just hope it’s not the Bucs bc he has to prove it still. The turnover issue is a damning one that we can win with.

  139. SteveK Says:

    We can’t win with the turnovers*

  140. El Buco Realisto Says:

    Ndog Says:
    February 9th, 2020 at 5:02 pm
    “Crappy defense, crappy kicking and crappy running game and oh yeah a ton of penalities.”

    If the team is that bad, then your only choice is to not sign jay-miss!!!!!!!!!!!! Let another team overpay as you said, and the Bucs could get a 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And then start the rebuild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  141. Rayjay1122 Says:

    Not a Vipers forum but I must say, they are as awful looking as the pea green, lime green and lemon yellow garbage uniforms somebody decided would be tough looking. Lmao

    Every football team in Tampa has bad plat and bad uniforms. Go figure. Must be a requirement to be a football team in Tampa.

  142. Defense Rules Says:

    @Rod … “I was talking about his career in total kiddo.” Good heavens, I would hope not Rod. Care to share your stats for how many times the Bucs have been behind 21-0 at the start of the 2nd quarter solely because of the Bucs defense?

  143. cmurda Says:

    I can’t believe the enormous amount of mistakes that 32 NFL teams have made by not hiring Ian Beckles to coach their team. I’m waiting for Captain Obvious to appear on my computer screen after reading Beckles incompetent rant. Actually, the definition of ignorance is suggesting the Bucs don’t want to run the ball and Arians wants to launch the ball 50+ times a game. The team isn’t currently built to run the ball. Love Dotson but he can’t run block to save his life. Where do most runs go? To the right. A road grader of a RT could change the complexion of this offense but Arians had no choice but to air it out. That’s the team he inherited.

  144. MadMax Says:

    Holy jit! Start a separate thread for XFL game comments Joes…..have to sift through all this now? Geeze!!

    I dont think many here care about xfl!

  145. Defense Rules Says:

    @SteveK … “We can’t win with the turnovers”. Agree wholeheartedly Steve based on years of NFL historical data. Turnover Differential is key. Bucs’ defense did an awesome job last year in forcing 28 takeaways … which turned the ball over to our offense so they could SCORE. Bucs’ offense did a woeful job in committing 41 giveaways … allowing 50 points upfront off of 7 Pick-6 plus numerous short-fields which resulted in a bunch of other opponents’ scores. The NET result … a MINUS 13 Turnover Differential … was largely, but not solely, responsible for the Bucs’ 7-9 record. We’ve got a number of other ‘issues’ that we need to fix to have a playoff TEAM.

    I have no idea if the Bucs will keep Jameis or not for 2020 (although I THINK that they will). However, assuming that they do, I’m convinced that his giveaways would come down appreciably this year (2nd year in the system, BL will adapt to Jameis’ tendencies, other aspects of the Bucs’ offense & defense will improve, etc). IF not, I’d bet that BA will turn to a backup QB (who’s not on the roster yet IMO). BA won’t replay 2019; he wants to WIN NOW.

  146. SteelStudBuc Says:


  147. El Buco Realisto Says:

    @Defense Rules

    No coach wants to “win later”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And if Bruce Arrogance brings back blameless in any capacity, then it is playoffs or bust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And Vegas says we should start shopping for a new gm and coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  148. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Beckles has got it. You get a new QB. Jameis makes more plays to the other team than any of our players,period. I refuse to blame good offensive coaches for the lost opportunities to win.
    Jameis has to finish more drives in the fourth quarter where he has a 66% QB rating. We are pretty good at scoring in the first half, not so much in the second half.
    Hey if you put together a great scoring drive at the end of the second half
    then the offense must bookend another drive at the start of third quarter.
    Its a winning formula that we rarely take advantage of.

  149. T REX Says:

    Jameis just threw another pick 6.

    He still sucks.

  150. mark2001 Says:

    If Jameis flops, a number of we “day time” posters will be too old, as will be Arians, to start over and wait until we again are so pitiful as to have a top 5 draft pick. So we really need to draft a QB, whether we resign Jameis or an aging Vet. If we don’t and Jameis flops, we can take up Bocce Ball on Sunday and stop rooting for the Semi-Pro quality football played in Tampa and say “forget football”…or choose a team from our point of origin or that of our forefathers. And if we attend a game and root for that team, that would likely make us one of a majority of fans in the stadium..in other words, a normal Bucs game.

  151. Ndog Says:

    SteveK Says:
    February 9th, 2020 at 5:39 pm

    I understand Arians down field attack, but to say we ask more of our QB than anyone. That’s preposterous. No sir. Any QB’s job is to win games. Jameis doesn’t win games, but loses them in extraordinarily unique way in which includes lots of yards and points for both teams. Not a recipe for making the playoffs, as evidenced by 2019 and the four years prior.

    SteveK you can’t be serious can you? So let me get this straight, you are saying winning has the same level of difficulty regardless of what team you are on or the situation? So you don’t think it is easier for let’s say a QB with a dominant defense and running game than a QB that has to throw all day just score points and in addition to that know that you have to out score your own crappy defense? I try to have educated debates with you bro but when you make statements like that it’s hard to take you seriously.

  152. Ndog Says:

    Trex just used one of his few remaining brain cells. Be careful Trex they are almost all gone.

  153. mark2001 Says:

    I would say that many QB’s Arians has had as head coach haven’t been HOF quality QB’s…so I really don’t know how much more difficult his offense is that Grudens, or Andy Reids, or Bill Cheat’s. And if Bruce is comfortable with whomever the QB is, I’d just say he likely knows what he is doing. He would put the best guy behind center that he thinks will win as many games as possible, given the reality of whom is available.

  154. Adrnagy Says:

    The rumors have started to come out that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have their eyes on the Bengals’ first overall pick and Cincinnati is listening to offers.

  155. BucEmUp Says:

    I would be fine with the bucs trading up gor burrow but nobody else. I still think Jameis needs to be here with the improved defense.

    There is talk that he had eye surgery and corrected his vision

  156. mark2001 Says:

    BucEU.. I think Burrow’s would be great…but it would cost us dearly… I think a QB is the only one worth trading up to the number one position.

    Eye surgery…great news too, if true. I’m as nearsighted as Jameis…and I can’t imagine trying to hit a guy on the spot thirty yards down field. But one question…why the heck wouldn’t he have done that a couple years ago…especially during his suspension?

  157. mark2001 Says:

    Or an earlier off season… vision doesn’t just tend to get better on its’ own.

  158. BrianBucs Says:


    Unless Arians get outranked or outvoted

  159. SteveK Says:


    Why is Jameis rated as 25th best or so in DVOA? Advanced metrics see his play at that level and based on our record and turnovers I tend to agree. The yards and points are amazing, but can you score efficiently?

    My reply to you was very one sided, but it was just to meet your statement with equal opposition. I don’t necessarily have that full
    Blown close minded stance, but I’m certainly not wearing Rose colored glasses.

  160. Tye Says:

    Yeah, I read that article also… Sileo doesn’t name a source that told him The Bucs are after the #1 pick…. It would be interesting if it is true though…
    Joe Burrows would drastically create hope for a better 2020 season, encourage ticket sales and draw the return of old fans and new ones…

  161. I’m a Tandyman used to be Bucs Fan Says:

    I have come to the realization that nothing changes and next February after another losing season you guys will be talking about what to do with Jay Miss!! Can’t believe this organization!! They act like if they let Jay Miss walk they will have a losing season!! Hell they have had 4 of his five losing!! For Gods Sake try something else!! This losing is getting boring!!

  162. SteveK Says:

    Thank you Tandyman!

    Loved Tandy at WVU and he won a couple game for the Bucs.

    You are spot on.

  163. Ndog Says:

    Lasik is not recommend until after the age of 25. I know you guys don’t get this but he is very young still.

  164. T REX Says:

    ndog, poops himself again!

    Winston with another pick 6!

  165. #1 BUCFAN Says:

    If it’s true Jameis has had eye surgery, I would sign him tomorrow. He is the best chance for the Bucs. I never thought he could see down field.

  166. footballjunkie Says:

    Wow..another 8-9 hour consecutive break…for all the staff. Hmm. The second noticeable time in 4 days.

  167. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Advanced metrics? Ok, how about Jameis has the most positively graded throws in the NFL. Also, the highest percentage of throws that are positively graded. On the flip side he also leads in negatively graded throws.
    Those who say Jameis doesn’t do anything good or is trash don’t have a leg to stand on. He does a lot of things at an ELITE level and then he does things like BA says are downright TERRIBLE.

  168. SteveK Says:

    At DVOA, Winston was 23rd- below Minshew and above Mayfield.

  169. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Tbbucs3 Says:
    “Pitiful coaching display from the Vipers.”


    Man, are we cursed or something? LOL

    We turn that XFL game to watch a Tampa Bay Vipers team that is supposed to be one of the best couple of teams in the league….. and they performed the WORST.

  170. mark2001 Says:

    Two problems…Jameis wants to play in a gunslinging, spread the field offense. I don’t think he would do well in a grind it out, move the chains offense mentally and emotionally. And I can hear it now…Jameis son, you just can’t cut it in a down the field, risk taking offense…though that is what you have always played in. We are going to change your game and reign it in. Sure.

    And the second problem… Arians believes his system works with even a slightly above average QB. And he thinks he can get one of those, if Jameis isn’t the guy. So why should he change everything he and his coaches have been preaching since he has been a HC.

    If Jameis had a 30 mil, four year contract with a 40 mil. cap hit if cut, that would be a different story. Arians would likely retire if he thought Jameis couldn’t cut it and he was forced to keep him. But that isn’t at all the situation.

  171. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Wesley Says:
    “Naturally the Vipers are the worst team in the league. I mean come on, the football gods clearly hate Tampa.”


    I mean… you can’t blame us for feeling that way.

  172. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Adrnagy Says:
    “The rumors have started to come out that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have their eyes on the Bengals’ first overall pick and Cincinnati is listening to offers.”


    I watch and listen to a lot of NFL coverage and have not heard that rumor about US. — That doesn’t mean you are wrong, of course. I just have not heard it. Have heard it about some other teams.

  173. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    BucEmUp Says:
    “There is talk that he had eye surgery and corrected his vision”


    I have been a big Jameis fan for awhile now.
    If THIS IS TRUE…. I will be pretty pissed off that he did not do this sooner, and waited until his contract was up.

  174. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    cmurda Says:
    “I can’t believe the enormous amount of mistakes that 32 NFL teams have made by not hiring Ian Beckles to coach their team.”


    I am pretty sure Ian Beckles has no interest in coaching the NFL, cmurda. — He is paid to offer his opinions. Nothing more and nothing less. He has been pretty entertaining at it for a very long time now, and happens to be a pretty cool guy.

  175. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Ndog Says:
    “Lasik is not recommend until after the age of 25. I know you guys don’t get this but he is very young still.”


    I was not aware of that, Ndog.
    That makes a big difference.

  176. mark2001 Says:

    No Ophthalmologist..but what I’ve researched says at least 18. So could you tell me where that is coming from? Or is it because of his current age?

  177. mark2001 Says:

    BTW..no personal distrust..but in this age of misinformation, I always double check everything.