The Good Jameis

January 8th, 2020

Good with the bad.

Yes the Bucs have a big decision on their hands this winter as they decide what to do with Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.

Jenna Laine of ESPN has a really good breakdown on the bad Jameis, the good Jameis and why — or why won’t — the Bucs bring him back, and how much Team Glazer loot will they drop in his lap.

So, so, so many people are absolutely blinded by one stat yet seem to fully ignore Jameis did things last year that few quarterbacks have ever accomplished on the field.

One element of Jameis’ game that folks used to stomp their feet about was his alleged weakness at deep passes. Laine points out Jameis is, in fact, one of the NFL’s best long-ball throwers, and an elite quarterback in the red zone.

His deep-ball accuracy, which was a source of criticism in previous years, was substantially better under Arians. Winston completed a league-high 41 passes of 20 or more air yards in 2019 — double his previous career-high of 20 in 2015. He also improved in tight-window throws, completing 37% (11th in the league) in 2019 (league average is 35%), up from 32% in 2018 (25th in the league), according to NFL Next Gen Stats.

Winston was also terrific in the red zone, which was an area the Bucs had struggled in previously as a team. Winston threw a career-high 19 touchdowns and just one interception in this area (19.00 ratio) — second only to Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson. His 99.0 red zone passer rating was eighth in the league.

Well, if you buy the notion Jameis couldn’t throw long in 2019, Joe will let you in on something. Joe had a strong hunch Jameis’ numbers would jump this season because he no longer had a malcontent purposely running different if not wrong routes on plays than he ran in practice (right, DeSean?).

There is so much good to build on. And yeah, one bad thing to whittle down.

70 Responses to “The Good Jameis”

  1. SteveK Says:

    There is something to build on, but the turnovers are not a little thing. They are huge. That is. Biggest reason we were talking draft at Halloween this year (2-6) and also why we lost the last two games at home.

    Turnovers are the loss of death. They are the biggest reason for the team’s failures. Everyone else has to be that much better to dig out of the mistakes. Look at the turnover differential.

  2. SteveK Says:

    Its not fair to the fans to continue wasting tome on “hope”.

    I am willing to be more QBs across the league could put up more offense, like Jameis, if they were given the same leash and patience for turnovers.

    39 turnovers 34 touchdowns= a losing QB formula.

  3. The Corony Says:

    Warts and all, tell me whom you will replace Jameis with.

  4. H8JWLVEBUCS Says:

    5 season enough said

  5. WyldKat Says:

    Five years of inconsistency is its own consistency. Insanity is expecting change next year.

  6. Go Bucs 72 Says:

    Bring him back.

  7. H8JWLVEBUCS Says:

    Learn from the Tennessee Titans and let JW walk. What……. you need another season to prove he can get you closer to the playoffs and lose. HE JUST AINT THAT GOOD, if it wasn’t for our D we probably wouldn’t even have 7 wins.

  8. Mister Negative Nancy Says:

    The Rape Accusation stat is still important to some people like me. Tied with Ben Roethlisberger.

  9. Marine Buc Says:

    Interceptions lose football games. Let Winston test the open market. Who in their right minds will pay this kid more than $25 million per season?

  10. mark2001 Says:

    Frankly…still not convinced Jameis is among the best passers on the deep ball. If a guy is very open, or his receiver goes up and wins a jump ball, he is fine. But to hit a guy in stride streaking down the field? Still haven’t seen that. Not saying we need that to win a SB. But we can’t live with all the interceptions.

  11. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    He smiling about Patrick Mahomes new contract 200+ million, not including endorsements
    LOL…dream on Jameis

  12. Alanbucsfan Says:

    You are wasting your time with Joe and Jameis lovers

  13. BucsNation08 Says:


    Really you havent seen him hit receivers in stride? I can think of 3 to Evans right off the top of my head inclusing the one where Evans pulled his hammy

  14. Craig Says:

    It wasn’t Jameis that got better, it was his receivers. Take them away and he lost the last two games, badly. Many of those over twenty yard plays started as short slants to Godwin and he crossed the twenty yard marker with the ball in his hand.

    The same could be said about redzone scores. Traditionally Jameis is a 5.4% redzone passer with a 4.4% redzone interception rate. That is not a winning number either. That can not be translated into the last two games because he didn’t get near the redzone enough to count.

    Our best hope is that he out-prices himself here and becomes a number two QB in someplace like Washington. The everyone can say that history is repeating itself, until bad Jameis rears his ugly head there too.

  15. SteveK Says:


    Maybe so. I crave to understand this team and why we are unsuccessful. To me, the turnovers are the biggest culprit. The rest of the team can’t be expected to improve until the trigger man (QB) can become consistent. You think it’s frustrating for fans. I wonder what it’s like to play alongside Jameis and to be on the roller coaster. It’s nauseating and still no plaintiffs.

    Jameis’ turnovers are worse than: Gay’s inconsistency, the defense, the offensive line.

    Look at stats, JW takes among the longest to get rid of the balk- hence the 47 sacks this year.

  16. mark2001 Says:

    Alan…Jameis has had his year with kid glove treatment. I think if a great QB falls in Arians lap, that he thinks will be an upgrade, Jameis is gone. Or if he beefs at the Franchise tag, or shoots for the moon in his new contract, he is gone. But maybe he is closer to being a franchise QB than we imagine…. only Bruce knows. And I trust his judgment.

  17. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Do you concede that being able to let er fly without worrying about the consequences makes it a lot easier to jack up those stats?

    Do believe that many QB’s in this league if unleashed from RESPONSIBILITY of protecting the ball would also be able to put up big numbers?

    Philip Rivers said as much in his final presser. He claims he was forced to press and make more gambling throws which of course did….wait for it…increase his interceptions!

  18. Eric Says:

    All this talk is merely contract negotiations.

    Arians isn’t going to break up the top passing offense in pro football.

    I did hear one interesting stat. None of the teams in the top four in passing made the playoffs. All of the teams in the top four running attacks made the playoffs and haven’t been eliminated.

    Get a top ten running back. Will help with the INTS also, teams can’t just sit on the routes every time.

  19. Kobe Faker Says:

    “Look at those eyes

    the eyes are the window to the soul

    those eyes are saying

    Our receivers catches my footballs, our opponents catches my football, evreyone catches my footballs…


    Jameis Maximus

  20. Robert Says:

    Yesterdays poll shows the fans want a new QB.

    If you still have hope for him, you are either blindly optimistic or a homer

  21. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    ….good jameis? and then there’s his first ever NFL pass, and his last.

  22. LaMarcus Says:

    Crybabies Bucs fans crying over JW again with same punch lines.

    Play the violins or that thumbing sound when some picks off JW

    Come on ppl. Your not being heard. The day the owners start believing the fans they are gonning be sitting with us soon. I dont think the G boys want that

  23. Formerly Tampa 2 Says:

    The Buc fans don’t need any Pro-Jameis propaganda. Facts are facts. Jameis has had five (5) years to show he is/was a franchise QB. And the bucs have been cellar dwellers those five years. While Jameis has thrown for many yards, his turn overs have lost us “many” games over those 5 years. The Bucs need to cut bait and let another team have the oh-so-many yard passer that holds the record for interceptions. An average & accurate veteran QB will allow our defense to shine next year, without them having to make up for points lost by their QB.

  24. D-Rome Says:

    So, so, so many people are absolutely blinded by one stat

    Unreasonable Joe,

    You are wrong. It’s not just one stat. It’s not only interceptions. It’s turnovers. It’s his pathetically low DYAR numbers and DVOA numbers, advanced metrics that go well beyond yArDs!!!!! It’s the fact that he’s not a leader. Never audibles or changes protections, has a pathetically low completion % compared to his peers (people need to stop comparing to Manning), and he still can’t throw to the right spot when facing basic coverages.

    Also, you are not the third most hated person in Tampa Bay. Very few hate you and very few hate Jameis. For most Jameis Winston critics it has to do with his play on the field and the belief that the Bucs can ultimately win a Super Bowl with him under center. I don’t believe that will ever happen. It is not hatred.

  25. No Risk It No Biscuit Says:

    New coaching staff proves the upgrade on Jameis. Ints are between JWs ears. He just got to get better. Calson Palmer did on the second season with Arians. I’m hoping Jameis will too.

    Franchise him and draft a promising QB if available.

    To say things have not change comes from anger and that is very understandable but not logical when you look at the whole picture.

    Go Bucs!!!!!!

  26. sunshine Says:

    Wishing Winston the best but….NOT here…after 5 yrs ,time to move on . Fans have seen enough .

  27. Anglican Says:

    Yes. He has done things that very few qb’s has done, in fact no qb has done. He started th 30-30 club

  28. Sleepy903 Says:

    People are talking about the Tennessee titans and the success they had by benching Mariota. If JW had Derrick Henry in the backfield this season has an entirely different outcome. Henry wouldve took over and closed out a lot of the games that we left up to the defense to close out, or left up to the FG kicker. You get a top 10 back that can power the game through to the finish line you eliminate having to throw the ball 40-50 times a game which cuts down on TO.

    Franchise him, Get Najee Harris, JK Dobbins or Chuba Hubbard, another starting O-lineman. Sign back for cheap. Draft a swing lineman. Watch this team win 10-12 games next year. 2 1000 yard wr’s, possibly 3 if BP signs back, 1000 yard back. JW will throw for 4500 30 TD’s and 16 INTs. Offense scores 34 a game. and if you sign the D-linemen back D gives up 24 a game.

  29. Bee Says:


    Wtf are you talking about Jameis can’t hit the deep ball?

    He hit Evan’s in stride deep in the Rams game and many other games. He hit BP in stride for 3 TDs vs the Lions. The stats prove he better with the long ball this year. If you don’t like Jameis fine, but don’t make $hit up and at the very least watch the games. Smh…

  30. SteveK Says:



    Jameis was better at the deep ball this year.

    How was Jameis at going deep with DeSean Jackson the last two years? Did Fitzmagic light it up with the same receivers?

    Super glad the deep ball improved this year, but you must keep perspective.

    What do you think about all the turnovers? The deep ball was hitting, but so were the opponents getting their hands on balls.

  31. SteveK Says:

    8 QBs have thrown for 5k yards, but no one is 30/30.

    Sad club to start. 7-9 no playoffs.

    Winston blew his chance in the last two home games. He showed us the truth: turnovers, careless decisions, and losing. The post game presser after the last game was the straw that broke the camel’s back. You’re not balling! You’re flinging it recklessly.

  32. SteveK Says:

    How do turnovers and losses not outweighs the points and yards?

    Can’t jameis accrue the same positive numbers while sustaining 75% less turnovers over the course of the season? I think not and that’s the kind of production/protection of the ball we need to be successful.

    The lack of accountability for turnovers is preposterous and despicable. It’s a bold faced lie to not consider the bad with the good, while liking st the piss poor results (team record- no playoffs).

  33. Ocala Says:

    Jamies will be the Bucs 2020 QB.
    Get the interceptions cut in half and the Bucs are Super Bowl contenders next year.

  34. 813bucboi Says:

    JW is the only player on the bucs roster that doesnt get blamed for not doing his job….which is to protect the ball and win games…..

    A very good/elite QB lifts the play of others……

    average/below average QB needs, top5 RB, top5 defense, 2 1K WRs, 5 1st round olinemen, 2time Coach of the year and NFL sack leader

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  35. JimmyJack Says:

    Look at the way this defense came on to end the year. We finally have a defense we can win with. Now is not the time to start over on offense. We now finally got a team Winston can win with. This is not the time to get rid of Winston this is the time to see how great he can truely be.

    Sorry if you don’t wanna believe it but Winston will actually get better in year 2 of this offense. Not the other way around. And plus the Bucs are going to get more pieces for the running game. You don’t get rid of key players on a team ready to surge. You add to them.

    Get get over the INTs cause like I said Winston will get better running this same offense. Basically a guarantee. Now get on the Winston train and support the team!!!

    GO BUCS!!!

  36. JimmyJack Says:

    The more I think of it the less sense it make to move on from Winston.

    Only way I see it possible is if we can make a big move at QB. Stafford I thought could be a possibility but they kept their coach…..they are gonna chop him at the knees and trade his QB now. Read another poster mention Big Ben the other day. That could be a possibility. Nice outside the box thought. Andrew Luck is another wildcard.

    But make no bones. They aren’t giving up Winston for Dalton or Teddy. Probably not even Brady due to his age. Phillip Rivers I guess could be a guy but good chance they don’t see him as a upgrade especially with his age.

  37. Hamsadwitchtime Says:

    Bunch of losers on this site… before last year Jameis was averaging around 14-18 int per game. I’ll try and improve that but I would take that! He does not throw 30 int every year… lol. I’ll take 34- 16 ratio with all he does well all day long!!!

  38. Hamsadwitchtime Says:

    Address Oline and RB and this offense is unstoppable

  39. Hawk Says:

    What was the ‘deep ball’ completion percentage, and compared to last year? You have the % on ‘tight window’ throws, and the comparison. Why are you offering two entirely different kinds of stats?
    I think it’s more than likely that Winston will return next year. It will probably be a ‘tag’, or a very team-friendly contract. But, I also think that the Bucs will have a viable backup in place, and be ready to pull the switch when they feel the game/season is in jeopardy. Everything will depend on who is available (FA and/or draft), and what Winston’s demands are.

  40. JimmyJack Says:

    Hamsandwitch……..Hard to get past the lasting burning memory of them last two games. Especially with that last throw.

    Winston should be expected to play better then that so it’s fair.

    It’s also very tough to just overlook three losses that ended on Winston INTs where he had the ball in his hands with a chance for a final possession game winning drive………He does gotta do better then that and if he throws INTs next year when he has the ball and a chance to lead us to victory we will again be on the outside looking in.

    So there’s a lot for him to overcome. Let’s not pretend like the critism isn’t warranted.

    And yes I like your numbers of 34 to 16……..But if a few of them 16 come in situations where we got a chance to win it will still be unacceptable. Winning must come before stats.

  41. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    813 – Perriman was a total bust everywhere until he got to Tampa and JW was his QB. Both Evans and Godwin are putting up potential HOF numbers. Brate was an UFA out of Harvard and Jameis helped get him a big fat contract. Hump also was an UFA and Jameis helped him get paid. I would say he has elevated the play of numerous players on this team. Stop acting like Jameis has no part in the success of all these receivers.

  42. Tbbucs3 Says:

    You have no actual argument until you can give me a better replacement option for Jameis Winston for the 2020 season.

    Hint…’s not trade bait Teddy, Red Rider BB gun Dalton, and for sure it’s not noodle arm Rivers.

  43. Tbbucs3 Says:


    In what world do the Bucs have a top 5 RB and a top 5 defense? I would like to live there cause it sure is not this one.

    Anti Jameis people always point to 1-2 good stats for the defense and use that to say we have a top defense in the NFL. Having a good run defense alone does not mean you have a good defense overall.

  44. SteveK Says:

    Ham sandwich,

    The only losers are the Bucs. They are a laughing stock for not making playoffs in 12 years, not winning a playoff game since 2002.

    If you think that the fans are losers, then wake up and smell the turnovers.

    Jameis had 39 turnovers and 34 touchdowns. We need at least a 2:1 TD: Turnover ratio to be successful.

  45. SteveK Says:


    Dude- the Bucs had the # overall run defense this year, and they played awesome the last half of the season.

    It’s blind loyalty to a fault- to refuse to acknowledge the turnovers: pick sixes, field position, etc.

    If the defense had a QB with league average turnover rates, the. They’d be better.

    Jameis is not completing the D. He’s screwing them.

  46. SteveK Says:


    Great post! # 1 sacker in the league, a top run D, and a decent O line.

    Is Jameis just a guy- a game manager? I think so- when you add up all the ineptitude, inconsistency, losing, and sprinkle it all in with some brilliance.

  47. Tbbucs3 Says:


    Do you know that the first half of the season counts too?

    The Bucs would’ve been in the playoffs if the defense had their crap together in the 1st half of the season.

  48. 813bucboi Says:


    evans produced with every signal QB he’s ever played with…..johnny footbal, glennon, mccown, fitz…..

    evans was born a HOFer….

    CG produced last year under fitz and his breakout season this year was expected…..ever since CG arrived in tampa folks were saying he’s a #1 WR…..

    he didnt raise their play to the point where it produced wins…..

    take JR sweezy for example…..

    RW raised his play with Ws….which in turn got him paid….he came here and sucked…..went back to seattle and made the PB as an alternate…..thats raising the level of play….

    hump is stuck in a hump first offense and he’s currently their #4 option behind aj brown, t.sharpe and corey dickson…

    brate has been inconsistent and everyone knows licht pulled the trigger too early by re-signing him…..

    a case can be made those players made JW look better than he is…..why did they all get new contracts and JW is still waiting on his…..if he was lighting it up and “ballin” as he said, bucs wouldve already re-signed him….just like they did ME13, d.smith, marpet, brate

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  49. 813bucboi Says:


    might want to reread what was written….lol…

    top5 defense is what JW needs…not what he currently has…

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  50. T REX Says:

    No Risk It No Biscuit Says:

    January 8th, 2020 at 9:48 am

    New coaching staff proves the upgrade on Jameis. Ints are between JWs ears. He just got to get better. Calson Palmer did on the second season with Arians. I’m hoping Jameis will too.

    Winston propaganda. Palmer went on IR in his 2nd year with Arians. Only played 6 games. Where’d you hear that baloney urban legend garbage?

  51. Troy Says:

    There’s good Winston and bad Winston. It’s funny how no one wants to talk about things like our receivers both not having career years next year. I do believe things will balance out with Winston. With that said, I think Winston chokes too much and I don’t think it’s a “correctable” trait.

  52. JimmyJack Says:

    TRex. It’s not propaganda it’s a pure fact.

    Palmer threw 22 INTs year one. Then in his injury shorthened 6 games the following year he had 3 INTs. In his second full year in the offense Palmer threw 11 INTs…..The following season he threw 14.

    You can’t dispute facts dude. Well, you can but that would make you wrong. After Palmer’s first season he cut his INTs and INT %. And he didn’t just cut them by a bit. The difference was significant.

  53. cgmaster27 Says:

    @813 “JW is the only player on the bucs roster that doesnt get blamed for not doing his job….which is to protect the ball and win games…..”

    I guess you’ve just been invisible to every comments thread in a Jameis article the last 5 years.

  54. Sport Says:

    Fact – JW has not yet proven to a winner of big games in the NFL.

    Opinion – He’s going to be Franchised as a last resort. They will try to get a reasonable long term deal done $20 to $27M per year.

    JW has earned the position he is in. He could have had it easier if he played better (aka more cerebral). Maybe another in the system brings it out. If not AMF…

    I don think we need to sign (draft/FA) a serious replacement plan though.

    In BA I Trust!

  55. Lavonte 1of1 Says:

    blah, blah, blah

    Then we ended the season with 2 straight losses against teams we should have beaten with our star studded elite QB.

    nuff said

  56. T REX Says:

    Jackarse – Then say his THIRD season not this made up crap. Palmer and Winston have zero in common. Nothing. LOL. FACT.

    You winstonpologists will stop at nothing to destroy this franchise as long as your BOY is QB.

  57. donuts Says:

    Honest assessment bad > good when you look at ALL the QB skills. 30 INTs lets start there and how many of these long passes were due to playing behind and needing to score?

  58. mark2001 Says:

    Bee…LOL…you ever watch guys like AR throw the deep ball? Obviously not. Maybe when you watch a little more football you will understand what throwing a great deep ball really looks like. And we are talking consistency. Sometimes Jameis can’t hit the broadside of a barn. Sorry that disturbs youl

  59. Alanbucsfan Says:

    SteveK and Mark 2001-

    I want to believe that with a strong running game (1700-2000 yards), Jameis will not have to be counted on for overwhelming majority of offense, but I have a hard time trusting him in crunch time- too many losing plays over the past 5 years…
    If they do bring him back, Bucs better not sacrifice DLine for his salary.

  60. BrianBucs Says:


    So in all fairness, now I assume there will be a “The Bad Jameis ” article coming? And it will be twice as long?

  61. mark2001 Says:

    Alan…if Jameis can be consistent and stop putting our D behind the eight ball, and blowing up games, I have no problem with him being here next year and in the future. But I don’t know that is possible. And a nice win/loss record, and self destructing every three games will never be acceptable for me. I don’t like participation trophies or meaningless accomplishment that don’t result in deep runs in the playoffs.

  62. Wesley Says:

    If he can only protect the ball. How many years have we heard this. He is who he is, someone you cannot trust with the ball.

  63. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Well what you going to do Mark because what you have “a problem” with has no impact on management and the Bucs will resign Jameis and he will be our QB in 2020. Alan, Robert, Steve K, 813 all going to be so mad when we make the playoffs with him next year.

  64. stpetebucsfan Says:


    You are one of my faves. You’re rational and not given to hyperbole. I truly do understand your wavering on JW.

    Remember I concede with this team and D JW could reach 10-11 wins and at last reach the playoffs. In five years I’ve lost count of the number of times JW has simply choked. In ’18 JW allowed a journeyman backup into his head and freaked away all of ’18.

    So we get to the playoffs and who really thinks he can SUDDENLY after five years play consistently enough…no get us past the first round…much less second or third. Factor in the salary cap and he’s just not worth it IMHO. But I get those who wish to roll the die.

    Where I disagree with you and several others who keep bringing up the improvement Carson Palmer made in year two of BA’s offense. The ONLY thing the two have in common is a Heisman Trophy. Palmer won 11 games in his second year!!!! He won 10 games a few years later. Palmer was ALREADY headed to stardom before the Steelers blew his knee out.

    Again…I understand your fear of losing JW…who wants to start over. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses.

    For me it’s not JUST the record or INTs….I’m tired of JW’s polarization of our fan base to the point we call each other names. The 50-50 split here is the BEST JW gets…go out into the general public and ask. I have..and the results are nowhere near 50-50! Wouldn’t it be nice to remove the drama and the fractured fan base?

    This has all changed my ENTIRE view of football. Let’s build a good team first and then get the QB…we’ve reversed that and I truly empathize with those who love JW personally and feel he’s gotten a raw deal. I don’t deny that. Perhaps it’s simply Karma is a beotch and all those FSU hijinks cursed JW? I agree it’s not ALL his fault. But…again as Patty Smyth sang…

    There’s a reason why people don’t stay where they are.
    Baby, sometimes love just ain’t enough.

  65. stpetebucsfan Says:


    “Alan, Robert, Steve K, 813 all going to be so mad when we make the playoffs with him next year.”

    I’ve read enough of these guys to know that is simply untrue! I get you’re upset because you are a huge JW booster. That’s fine. And if we keep him and we have a horrid season the last thing I will do is come back here and say I told you so.

    JW supporters and opponents here are ALL Buc fans. I believe you are a true Buc fan. We are ALL Buc fans who will never be angry about making the playoffs.

    Sadly TDTB when we make the playoffs…I’m optimistic even if we keep JW and he shows up as Bad Jameis….that’s when all those guys will come back here screaming. Just the nature of the beast.

    Can I take an unscientific poll? Is there anybody here…JW supporter or JW “hater” who isn’t a Buc fan first?

  66. Bird Says:

    Yah. Turnovers dont matter. No big deal with that fault

    Go check every first round series match up in the playoffs
    The most turnovers by one entire team was 2
    Most teams had 0 or 1 as a team
    And they were all close games until the end although patriots was biggest difference and guess what …brady thru a pick six

    Jameis averages 2 a game all by himself
    Its a teAm game but your most important player wins and loses games every week

    Joe you have no problem always being wrong to make jameis look so right

  67. Lavonte 1of1 Says:

    I get sick of the BS if you have any criticism for JW you secretly want the Bucs to lose. I blame this phony crap on the Joe’s with their personal attacks on fans because they disagree with them. Calling fans “haters” is low standard journalism.

  68. SteveK Says:

    Well put St.Pete! Give me playoffs. Tired of losing.

  69. Losing hope Says:


  70. KeyserSoze Says:

    Jameis is the Jamies! Best QB Tampa has ever had. Just wait until we have a different one you’re going to WISH you had that instant touchdown ability when we’re a losing, can’t get it done passing offense without him. No turnovers great and no points either, yeah great idea!? Compare his stats against any other quarterback in Ariens first year of offense, next year it will improve so much it will make so many Jamie’s haters look flat out silly.