“Rivers Has Never Had The Arm Strength… “

January 23rd, 2020

Which QB fits?

A whole lot of folks believe if Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians has lost patience with Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, then new Florida resident Philip Rivers (living some 6.5 hours away from One Buc Palace) is a perfect fit.

Well, Nate Davis of USA Today isn’t exactly ready to say he is perfect, but as far as replacing Jameis, if that’s what the Bucs want, then Rivers may be the best option.

But that may require Arians to change his offense some.

… In the aftermath of a 7-9 season, head coach Bruce Arians was in no mood to praise Winston, quipping about the possibility of a change under center: “Another quarterback? Oh, yeah. We can win with this one, we can definitely win with another one, too.” Ouch. Arians has done some of his best work with veterans like Roethlisberger and Carson Palmer. Rivers has never had the arm strength to optimally execute Arians’ beloved “No risk it, no biscuit,” philosophy. But he’s historically been an effective deep-ball thrower, unleashing plenty of bombs over the years to Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Vincent Jackson, Malcom Floyd and others while leading the league in yards per attempt three times. Little reason to believe Rivers couldn’t do the same with star WRs Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. Heck, maybe he could even figure out how to maximize disappointing TE O.J. Howard after so many productive years with Antonio Gates.

Well, here is the thing. Arians loves to take deep shots. And since Jameis turned into one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL in deep throws (yes, it’s true), that may put the brakes on the rush to dump Jameis.

Joe was listening to former Bucs scout, Jets front office suit and current NFL talking head Pat Kirwan on SiriusXM NFL Radio earlier this week, and Kirwan said anyone that thinks Arians (67) is going to change his offense for a quarterback who cannot throw deep is dreaming.

That makes sense. And the proof was right before our very eyes. Arians had the best one-two punch of tight ends in the NFL. And how did he incorporate them into his passing attack? He didn’t.

So Joe isn’t sure some quarterbacks, while they may be names people recognize and may have had more success than Jameis, would be a good fit at all.

92 Responses to ““Rivers Has Never Had The Arm Strength… “”

  1. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    But I bet Rivers won’t grope an Uber driver.

  2. Says:


  3. Seminole Bill Says:

    Before Arians goes quarterback shopping, he needs to fix the O-line for bettere protection and REALLY fix the run game. Without those two fixed, any QB he brings in will fail.

  4. 813bucboi Says:

    a good fit is a QB that doesnt finish in the top 5 in INTs every year he’s healthy….

    but we know we know….lol…

    its the o-line…its the RB…its BL….its the WRs…its the defense….its the wind…its lovie….its smitty…..

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  5. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    All being said…..we still only went 7-9……obviously we had more problems than QB…..

  6. bucfan999 Says:

    It’s going to be Jameis, Andy Dalton or Derek Carr next year and my money is on Jameis. He already knows the offense and if you look at his career he was averaging 15 INT’s a year until this year which I think is probably an aberration. The other 2 would be in a learning year just like Jameis was in this year and would probably set BA’s plans back a year.

  7. Sport Says:

    I’m sure he doesn’t have the same arm strength as JW. I’m also sure he’s never matched the arm strength of Jeff George, Vinny Testaverde or even Casey Weldon.

    I don’t believe Rivers is an ideal fit for BA’s deep attack offense, but there are also a ton of plays (majority) where the ball is being thrown less than 20yds.

    If they do go with Rivers for 2-3 years and draft a QB, I’d be fine with that. Rivers situational football is and always will be better than JW. With the vastly improved D, great WR’s average Oline I’d rather have a solid situational football player under center than one.who a wildly erratic

    Plus, if we do draft a QB, who would you rather have him observe over the next year or two? Erratic Winston or Solid Rivers.

    For those of who jump up and down about Rivers throwing ints. Look at his situational football stats. That says all I need to know.

    A good analogy for JW is like giving a high school kid a Ferrari to drive. He got to school fast, but it’s trashed from accidents (bad decisions on field) not to mention the speeding tickets (bad decisions off the field).

    In BA I Trust!

  8. Marine Buc Says:

    I think it’s hilarious when people come on here and talk smack about our defense being ranked so low (points scored) without mentioning Winston’s 30 interceptions. Do you folks realize how hard it is to play defense in the NFL when your QB is constantly giving the ball to the opponents inside your own 50 yard line? What would our defensive rank be if Winston threw 15 less picks and fumbled half as much?

  9. Fire the fans Says:

    Let’s see if “in BA you trust” after he brings jameis back

  10. Sport Says:

    999 – I’d take Carr in heartbeat. Accuracy, right age, currently working for an egomaniac. If he can survive that coaching approach, he would thrive under BA!

    In BA I Trust!

  11. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Rivers has never had 30 INT’s in a Year either…

    Can’t turn it over almost as much as you score and hope to be a good qb

  12. Sport Says:

    Fire Fans – I absolutely will. I’m a Bucs fan first. If JW is our QB, I’ll root like he!! for him and our Bucs. His greatest consistency is inconsistency. It’s entertaining for non Buc fans, but gut wrenching for truer Buc fans. His erratic play is also not conducive to winning multiple meaningful games required to take us to the SB!

    It will be fun to watch it unfold.

    New FA QB
    JW contract decision
    Draft (especially if we draft one in rounds 1-2, heck even 3)

    In BA I Trust!

  13. Jim Says:

    Don’t think you want Jameis coaching up your young QB draftee…

  14. 40 TDs Says:

    As soon as the season was over Arians had to go save money to the Bucs mode. But we know JW will be back at least one more year. Bruce won’t give up on Jameis after one year with such a spectacular offensive performance. That’s right OFFENSIVE.

    GO BUCS!!!

  15. Jean Lafitte Says:

    61% pass completion is not league best

  16. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Bring Rivers in for less than Winston to be the bridge, and go after Eason in the draft. We’ll be just fine. I’m not scared like Joe would have you think.

  17. Sport Says:

    Jim. – totally agree.

    40 TD’s – reasonable thought. JW is a coin flip. The team around has not been good enough. I’ve seen the D or Special Teams, lose games on a solid QB performance and vice versa.

    If we continue with our second half D of 2019, improve our Special Teams play and even just slightly improve RB. It will put even more pressure on JW to make good decisions. It’s not been his strong suit. However I did see JW throw the ball away a bit more this year, it clearly wasn’t enough.

    In BA I Trust!

  18. Jean Lafitte Says:

    In fact I feel more comfortable that Rivers would get us to the playoffs before Winston.

  19. Sleepy903 Says:

    So Rivers threw 20 INT’s this year. QBs experiences a higher amount of INTs their first year in BA’s system. So it would be farfetched to say Rivers would throw 30 next year?

    Winston has never thrown 20 INT’s in a year. However this year he threw 30. Rivers has thrown 20 or more INTs 3 times.

    Rivers has the same issues as Winston but we want to get an older QB that does the same thing why?

  20. Todd Says:

    I like Defense Rules’ continued pounding that it’s about the entire SYSTEM not the specific player(s).

    In my rich imagination BA and TB would gather all members of the team and their agents into a room and say something like, “Guys, if you’re in this room we deem you to be an integral part of our TEAM. Our SYSTEM. We submit that 1 + 1 + 1 can equal 111, not 3. Because we all contribute to the greater SYSTEM.”

    “Now guys, with those in this room plus a little tweaking to improve a couple of key areas, we can win the Super Bowl. However, if we pay every player in this room what they COULD get elsewhere, our odds of winning a Super Bowl diminish greatly. But it’s up to you and your agents. Go for the big bucks or go for the ring. You are all extremely talented…and have indeed excelled within our SYSTEM. Can you replicate your success outside of the system? Perhaps. That’s your gamble and what’s at stake isn’t money, it’s the ring. Is that important to your legacy?”

    “So look around. Do you want to win a Super Bowl with all these teammates? Together? If so, we’re asking for you and your agent’s consideration in helping us keep this SYSTEM tight and together. We cannot pay you all what you fully deserve based on the market. But we can pay you damned well and keep all your teammates present.”

    “Okay, that’s our appeal. Let’s now have the important conversations that will determine our collective legacies. God I hope we can keep this nucleus together…because 111 is the number we have in mind.”

  21. tmaxcon Says:

    Jean Lafitte Says:
    January 23rd, 2020 at 10:52 am

    In fact I feel more comfortable that Rivers would get us to the playoffs before Winston.

    Getting to the playoffs with no chance to win is meaningless see dungy the clown”s entire failed tenure…. mediocre regular seasons and post season failures. Jamies is the only hope this miserable franchise has.

  22. Jean Lafitte Says:

    If we went with Rivers then there would be no questions on whether we can afford to bring all the other key players back. Winston’s salary demand hurts that chance, and will probably run one key figure off. Is that really best for the team? Lose talent?

  23. Adrnagy Says:

    like I said. I’ll be shock of Bucs move on from jameis and me throwing away 2 Winston jerseys. Hard to pass up on Winston. Improved in deep ball. Fumbles check downs Etc.. without a good balance offense and a defense that show improvement. And he’s trending in the right direction. Cut the int in half. And he’s ballin for a long time.

  24. BigHog Says:

    Morgus the Magnificent/ I”m beginning to believe that uber driver fiasco was set up by non other than FAMOUS HATERS!….please try to move on and keep up with the program!!

  25. Jean Lafitte Says:


    What a joke! Now the Uber incident is someone else’s fault? lol

  26. 813bucboi Says:

    i understand the “improve the run game” theory but teams are going to continue with the same game plan as last year….stuff the run and force JW to throw….lol….

    imo, improving the run game would put more pressure on JW…..

    BA wont go “ground and pound” even if we had the 9ers/ravens o-line and derrick henry as our RB…..

    teams will continue to game plan around stopping the run, playing tight coverage and forcing JW to make on time, well placed, accurate throws…..

    every defense we played this year said that was the game plan because they knew they could force JW into TOs…..

    and BA, as everyone in the NFL knows, loves throwing the ball…..

    so if we have a 67year old HC, that doesnt believe in investing heavy in the RB, has a system that loves to throw a ton combined with a QB that throws a ton of picks what the hell do folks think is going to happen?…..lol….

    JW has finished in the top5 in INTs every year except 2017 when he missed 3 games with an injured shoulder…..he came in 3rd in 2018 with 14INTs while also missing 3games….big ben led the NFL with 16INTs….no doubt in my mind JW wouldve finished 2018 as the league leader in INTs if he hadnt missed 3games due to suspension…..

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  27. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    BigHog Says:
    January 23rd, 2020 at 11:02 am
    Morgus the Magnificent/ I”m beginning to believe that uber driver fiasco was set up by non other than FAMOUS HATERS!….please try to move on and keep up with the program!!

    Oh yes…and we also stole the crab legs, poked the opposing player’s head while in street clothes on the sideline to star a fight, and we rammed a player’s head into the ground after the play while refs weren’t watching, and we paid Kinsmen a half million bucks, and we ate W’s, and we sat out 4 games on suspension, and we stood on a table screaming FHITP. Got it.

  28. BrianBucs Says:

    River has played the last couple of years with a weak offensive line and receiving Corp.
    If the Bucs would have had Rivers this year instead of Winston they would have made the playoffs

  29. Adrnagy Says:

    Your not listening.
    Pull the last 5 years. Jameis int per year have been in the 10-18. Last year new offense. Carson Palmer double and improve second year. Bill polian said it .. jameis will have a massive Second year.
    First year in Arians was a challenge. Godwin stepped up to a starting role. Perriman new year. Lost Adam hump. Brate was ask to block not catch. Howard is lost he does he know where his hands are. RB’s clueless. New play caller. Oline average but lost at times.
    Defense didn’t get in sync until wk 8.

    Bruce knows this. Licht understand what jameis has gone thru with a bad team. They both text me last night and we discuss. We are moving forward with jameis so it’s coming down to $

  30. NPRSageBoy. Says:

    Bottom line: one more knucklehead infraction and JayMiss is gone for a long term suspension.

    Forget the 5100 yds, the 30 TDs and ALL the turnovers, JayMiss is just NOT the face of this franchise.

    Peace, out

  31. Zzbuc Says:

    0!!!! ZERO!!!
    that’s the exact % Rivers plays next year for the Bucs……

  32. TexBuc Says:

    Winston fans and not fans are so blatant to see just by the comments.

    My favorite is “I like Carr” you mean the QB who threw the ball out of bounds on 4th and goal with time running out cause no was open so he would not incur a possible INT with the game on the line. NO THANKS on a QB with NO HEART

  33. Waterboy Says:

    How much arm strength does Jameis have if he can’t consistently throw out routes without them getting returned as TD’s for the opposing team?

  34. SteelStudBuc Says:

    Dont NFL players make enough dough to rent a house local during the season? That 6.5 hour away crap is just insecure whining from the Joe’s because they’re butt hurt Jameis might be gone…. whaaa

  35. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Does anyone actually think Philip Rivers would give 2 craps about this franchise?

  36. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Pay Rivers 23 million and buy or lease him a house or apartment.

    Problem solved.

    We wouldn’t want to see Rivers travel that distance everyday ..smh

  37. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Suddenly next season Jameis will stop throwing INT’s and actually win games.

    I ain’t buying it, especially now that this season we’ll have less key players to work with than last.

  38. 813bucboi Says:

    Adrnagy Says:
    January 23rd, 2020 at 11:21 am
    Your not listening.
    Pull the last 5 years. Jameis int per year have been in the 10-18.

    Not so fast!!!!….lol….

    if you go back to the seasons where he played a full 16game season JWs INTs are 15-30…..

    2017 he missed 3 games
    2018 he misseed 3 games
    2019- 30INTs

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  39. BigHog Says:

    M the M/ You are still in the past …move on man , you people have thrown the first stone and that guy (FAMOUS) is still standing , …don’t believe everything you see printed on paper…there is still a lot of hate in this world!!

  40. Tbbucs3 Says:

    This has another Jason Licht veteran Florida vacation flop written all over it.

    Maybe Jason Licht has learned not to give $ to to declining veterans who are only in it for the paychecks?

    All aboard the Jason Licht veterans cruise! Philip Rivers can join Robert Ayers, Chris Baker, Michael Johnson and Anthony Collins.

  41. Jean Lafitte Says:

    ^^^hate much?

  42. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    “Another quarterback? Oh, yeah. We can win with this one, we can definitely win with another one, too.” – Arians

    I am so tired of a big deal being made of that statement.

    Is Arians supposed to say that if Winston does not return he can’t win with another QB? Silly.

  43. Mister Negative Nancy Says:

    At this point, anyone but Winston. Seen it too long, it’s not a good product.

  44. Craig Says:

    I would rather have him as mentor to a young QB than Jameis.

    Neither of them is the long term solution here but Rivers would lead the next guy to a more solid foundation than Jameis.

    Can’t we get a rumor about Matt Moore or Case Keenum going. Variety is the spice of off-season.

  45. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Philip Rivers has played in the same Air Coryell/Erhardt-Perkins
    for 16 seasons. So he shouldn’t have any problem running the offense.

    List of River’s Air Coryell / Erhardt-Perkins Offensive Coordinator(s):
    • (2004-2006) Cam Cameron
    • (2007-2011) Clarence Shelmon
    • (2012) Hal Hunter
    • (2013) Ken Whisenhunt
    • (2014-2015) Frank Reich
    • (2016-2018) Ken Whisenhunt

  46. Adrnagy Says:

    813 buc boi
    So you don’t think Jameis is a 10-15 int Qb?

  47. T REX Says:

    Roethlisberger regressed in year 2 in Arians’ system.

    Stop with this Winston is going to do XYZ just because its his 2nd yr under Arians. It’s an urban legend and please stop the BS already.

    Do not fall for Winston Propaganda,

  48. ATrain Says:

    I love the blame some fans put on other players to make excuses for Jamies

    Yes players have bad games it happens

    I see the Defense lost games —- Well maybe that’s because they got no rest because of three and outs or turnovers

    Kicker had a bad day mid two field goals. Umm how many TDs did Winston miss

    Our kicker had increased field goals especially 50 yards

    Defense WAY BETTER #1 in run

    Special teams better

    Offense better EXCEPT TURNOVERS

    Yes I know we want to look at all the other stats
    But the facts tell us the INT MATTER BIG TIME!!!!

    Look at the playoff teams
    Look at the winners

    The upside of Winston doesnt overshadow the downside

  49. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Philip Rivers is NOT the answer…neither are any QBs on the free agency list (as a starter)

    So this means Jameis Winston will be the starting quarterback for the Bucs week 1 for the 2020 football season. Suck it up and deal with it, as it’s our best option.

    The Bucs still however, must either sign a solid backup QB in free agency (Griffin sucks) and draft a QB (But not in the 1st or 2d round cause we still have a team to build)

    Considering which QBs might be available in the 3rd plus rounds I would consider
    – Jake Fromm (If available)
    – Jalen Hurts
    – Anthony Gordon Wash St.

    I’m not crazy about these options but if they are there in the 3rd+ rounds then maybe take a flyer on them.

  50. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:
    “Rivers has never had 30 INT’s in a Year either…”


    But it’s a pretty good bet that he would under Arians. He had 23 last year, and QB’s notoriously throw more in their first year under Bruce.

  51. 813bucboi Says:

    Adrnagy Says:
    January 23rd, 2020 at 12:34 pm
    813 buc boi
    So you don’t think Jameis is a 10-15 int Qb?

    no…..i think when healthy and playing a full 16games he’s a 15-30INT QB…..

    just look at his history playing a full 16game season…..

    2018 Big Ben led the NFL with 16INTs….JW missed 3games and still had 14….

    what makes you believe he is capable of throwing less than 15 in a full season?….

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  52. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Tbbucs3 Says:
    “Does anyone actually think Philip Rivers would give 2 craps about this franchise?”


    Why wouldn’t he? He was 5-11 last year. The question is whether we should give 2 craps about him.

  53. donuts Says:

    I am not a big PFF guy but in this QB compare case look no further than of the FA ranking of QBs >> Rivers is ranked #4 and Winston is #12. On deep ball, I would encourage all to go watch his Rivers 2018 highlights on YouTube. Worst argument ever.

  54. mark2001 Says:

    “Rivers has never had the arm strength to optimally execute Arians’ beloved “No risk it, no biscuit,” philosophy”

    May I ask who said that? The No risk it, no biscuit is Arians. But I don’t see the first part of the statement attributed to him. Could you please clarify who said that, Joe? Was that Davis? Or Arians? I tried to google the exact phrase, but it just brought me here.

  55. Stevebobucsfan Says:

    What make people think that a 39 year old QB who can’t throw deep or scramble is better than a 26 year old who can do both. Rivers haven’t been doing so well either in the last few years. So if you don’t like Jameis just say you don’t like him. The one thing I know is facts is we as fans are on the outside looking in. Arians and the GM are there with Jameis so I trust Arians to make the right call on him

  56. This Guy Says:

    At the end of the day the only thing that matters is excitement and belief in victory.

    As of now for 5 years straight ticket sales have declined, sadly Tampa is a bandwagon town and if the team is winning the fans will come. (Look at the Lightning, not the Rays. Sorry baseball guy, baseball is a dying sport)

    The Glazers and Jason Licht are going to consider ticket sales when making this decision. Going back to JW is not going to increase sales, if anything they will continue to decline.

    A new QB be it Hurts, Fromm, Love or a vet like Cam excitement will increase and sales will improve. Football is a business and they do not care about your feelings. The owners want to make money and the QB this team has is losing seats not gaining them.

  57. mark2001 Says:

    Interesting perspective Guy, though I do think it is about winning, and Jameis or not, this team strings a bunch of wins together, and they will come back. But you have a point…at this time almost no one is going to think that Jameis will carry the team on his shoulders and lead them to victory. In fact, all I seem to hear is…give him this and give him that…a great D, great RBs, a great line and great receivers, and we will win. Most NFL QB’s could with all that.

  58. stpetebucsfan Says:

    “QB’s notoriously throw more in their first year under Bruce.”

    This has been repeated so frequently here that it seems to be accepted as fact.

    Not cynical but as a former journalist always skeptical without proof.

    The proof I’ve seen so far is that indeed Carson Palmer decreased his int’s significantly in his second year with BA…that is a FACT. But after that FACT…could one of you JW guys do the work for me…I’d like to see the notoriety behind multiple QB (S) not just one. e.g. Did any QB ever have more ints the second year. Not trying to start anything just curious because a large part of the JW WILL improve argument is based on this metric.

    So I concede Palmer surely improved. Are there any other examples?

  59. Jim Says:

    I’d like to see the list of 5 year franchise QBs with a 40% win record that get awarded a long-term contract

  60. mark2001 Says:

    St. Pete. This is all contingent on Jameis learning more and adjusting his game to maximize his potential within this system. I don’t know if he can or is willing to do that. Can he grow beyond those horrible picks? I honestly don’t know…and neither does Carson Palmer. He could potentially..but can he and will he?

  61. stpetebucsfan Says:

    OK FSU guys forgive me for curiosity. This is not simply about JW.

    No matter who the Bucs sign..JW or Rivers or someone else, do we suppose they’ll feel comfortable with his picture on the stadium?

  62. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    ^^ SPBF, thank you sir. The quickest stat line that comes to mind is Peyton Manning. Bruce was his Offensive Coordinator from 1998-2000. — Peyton had 28 interceptions in year 1, and then only 15 in years 2 and 3.

  63. mark2001 Says:

    Funny guys… there is a huge human element in this. If the QB willing and able to grow in his game and the system to eliminate the Ints? Particularly the “horrible ones”. I don’t know and you don’t know. Frankly, I think it can be done, but it is up to Jameis and his ability and willingness to craft his game.

  64. mark2001 Says:

    Jameis isn’t Carson P…. He isn’t Payton Manning… he is Jameis. And Arians won’t change his system. We saw where that took us last year, and we may see where that takes us next yeaer.

  65. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    mark2001 Says:
    ” Frankly, I think it can be done, but it is up to Jameis and his ability and willingness to craft his game.”


    Very well said, sir.

  66. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    I was just answering SPBF’s question, Mark. I understand your point.

  67. NYbucsfan Says:

    @Joe!! Accessed rape, grabbed an Uber driver, suspended, Interception machine, Always fumbling, losing record! Yet all you care about is 5,000 yards. Let me ask you, is it not normal for a QB to pass for a lot of yards in a BA offence? We have two of the best receivers In the game. Do you not think another QB could not pass for 5,000 yards in the same situation? You talk potential, five years in he is what he is. He had potential coming out of college, now He is just a poor decision-maker.

  68. mark2001 Says:

    And really…all this talk is interesting and such… but let me put it this way.

    There is only one guy that has seen Jameis game in game out, practice game in game out. That knows the system inside and out. That knows the playcall, and who did what….who has seen every inch of film. Who has talked with Jameis, quized him, seen him when he succeeds and fails, who knows his capabilities and limitations as seen over a year of football. If anyone knows how he thinks, how he feels, and what his likely trajectory as a QB is, it is Arians.

    Therefore, I say, I will abide by Bruce’s decision, and trust if we resign Jameis, it will be because it is firstly best for the Bucs team and organization, and secondly, that he believes Jameis can grow to be a true franchise quality QB. And that Jameis has a square enough head on his shoulders not to push his contract demands beyond a reasonable value.

    So I’m watching and waiting to see what Bruce, the organization, and yes, Jameis decide to do. No lover..no hater..not Realist, but a realist.

  69. Dapostman Says:

    Rivers won 2 fewer games in 2019 with a better run game and a better defense.

    Typical Bucs fans, “get Rivers”.

    Never underestimate the stupidity of the American citizen.

  70. Kgh4life Says:

    In my opinion, arm strenght is one of the most overrated qualities a QB can have, how did having a big arm worked out for Winston? Turnovers obviously but his inaccuracy was just maddening at times, now his return to the Bucs is up in the air.
    Plenty of QBs come into the league with strong arms and failed.

  71. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    2019 Chargers were plagued w/
    -Running back holdout
    -Offensive Coordinator fired

    A seasoned removed of making it to the playoffs in 2018

    2018 Philip Rivers Mic’d Up vs. 49ers “I Don’t Want To Go Crazy!” | NFL Films https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycbGvd2DdE

  72. Tampa Bay Demon Says:


    That was one of THE MOST SUCCINCT, well-crafted posts that I have seen in a very, very long time.

    It makes complete 100% sense.

    I have been, myself, a Jameis fan for a long time.

    But I agree with you. At this point, Bruce is going to BEST know what needs to be done here, and I am onboard.

  73. SB Says:

    Big Hog showing his Ignorant Racist side again I see.

  74. jjbucfan Says:

    Dapostman- that made me laugh out loud

  75. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Thanks for doing the work for that stat. I’m wondering if Palmer and Manning are the only QB’s he’s ever had the opportunity to work with a QB two years in a row.

    I respect FACTS…and now you’ve added another fact Demon…good on you!

  76. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Maybe Jameis would be in the playoffs if we drafted Derwin James instead of a run stuffer.

  77. Joe Says:

    Let me ask you, is it not normal for a QB to pass for a lot of yards in a BA offence?

    Hell no, not for 5,000 yards! Only eight quarterbacks in history have done this. Eight! And one of them is on the Bucs roster. And people want to run him off. This is friggin’ Twilight Zone sh!t, man.

  78. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Exactly admin, people are quick to disregard having the 2d most TD passes thrown and yards but act like number of interceptions are the most important stat for a QB.

    Jameis has never had a full season in the NFL with a good defense. Philip Rivers has had plenty with nothing to show for it.

  79. WestChap Says:

    Where’s the fast forward button? I know I’m going to watch with or without Rivers, Jameis or anybody else… and hope for the best. Just wish it were over.

  80. Pit of Misery Says:

    Mark: 👍. Excellent.

  81. Dewey Selmon Says:

    Stats are for losers, but you have to admit 5,109 is impressive. 100 years of football and he is #8.

  82. Jean Lafitte Says:

    That 5000 yard threshold will be matched way more often going forward. We had 11 QB’s break 4000yds with 5 with 4400yds and above this season. It will usually always come from an offensive scheme like this Don Coryell scheme because other schemes don’t look long ball first.

    Winston – 5109
    Prescott – 4902
    Goff – 4638
    Rivers – 4613
    Ryan – 4466

  83. Stevebobucsfan Says:

    For those who think a new QB will raise ticket sales, not if the Bucs lose. You can bring in Brady and Mahomes but if you’re losing you’re still not gonna sale tickets sorry what then Bucs need is to have a winning record

  84. Buccaneerscotty Says:

    I hope Winston walks just to here joe blab and cry all year long and give a bunch of crappy stories about how he’s doing in the xfl

  85. adam from ny Says:

    rivers and the bucs are working it out…

    he is going to fly into to TPA daily during the season from the destin airport…

    they have a small airport there that isn’t crowded…

    rivers can leave his house at say 8 am and he would be at the facilities or stadium by 9 am…

    it’s an hour trip back and forth for ole phillip

  86. Sport Says:

    Adam, unless the fog sets in, which happens a lot at the Destin airport. Hah!

    In BA I Trust!

  87. OneBuc55 Says:

    I still think we can win with Jameis; that said, if we move on id be cool with Carr…

    If they drag that stiff Phillip Rivers in here I’m done… I’ll never go to another game…Also, all alot of you guys whine about is Jameis’ doesn’t win games…What the heck has Rides ever won?
    And he’s played with good receivers, a HOF RB, a HOF TE, and some pretty solid defenses over the years…I just don’t get the double standard all of the sutton…Hate to pull the race card but that’s what it looks like…

  88. Robert James Says:

    Hell no, not for 5,000 yards! Only eight quarterbacks in history have done this. Eight! And one of them is on the Bucs roster. And people want to run him off. This is friggin’ Twilight Zone sh!t, man….
    No one has ever turned the ball over more over a 5, 3 2, and 1 year period… thats twilite zone sh!t man. and people want him out? weird! i’m sure there are teams lining up to sign him. Year 6 is when things usually change.

  89. Tye Says:

    Reporter: Can you win with another Quarterback?

    Arians: “Another quarterback? Oh, yeah. We can win with this one, we can definitely win with another one, too.”

    DEFINITELY! – that was the word HC chose.. translation: Oh Yes! He is so replaceable!

  90. adam from ny Says:

    phillip will be flying in on a tiny private piloted plane all season…

    destin to tampa and back…real quick fast and in a hurry…

    no airport lines, no bis…zip in the private airport area and back…

  91. westernbuc Says:

    Weird how we drove Koetter and Lovie out of town for not adjusting their schemes but Bruce Arians’s playbook is etched in gold and cannot be touched

  92. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    SPBF, thank you for the kind words. The one guy that seemed to buck that trend with B.A. was Roethlisberger. — His picks stayed in that 11-13 range for all 3 years under Bruce, and there was really no difference from year 1 to 2. — Ben would actually throw way more picks later on, under different offenses.