Luke Kuechly Retires

January 14th, 2020

Former all-world linebacker Luke Kuechly

An NFC South superstar has left the building.

Pro Bowl Panthers linebacker Luke Kuechly announced his retirement today after a season that was below the elite standard he set since he was a first-round draft pick in 2012.

“I still want to play but I don’t think it’s the right decision,” Kuechly said as part of an emotional video announcement shared by the Panthers.

Kuechly had major concussion issues early in his career but had only missed one game through the past three seasons. Kuechly has played in three fewer regular season games than Lavonte David, though he has seven playoff games on his standout resumé.

This further puts the Panthers in rebuild mode, which is a beautiful thing for the Buccaneers.

109 Responses to “Luke Kuechly Retires”

  1. Jeagan1999 Says:

    Wow, wasn’t expecting that! Guy was a hell of a linebacker!

  2. Ndog Says:

    Who cares Joe if we start over at QB we are in rebuild mode as well?

  3. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    Oh wow

  4. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    I can’t say I blame him with all those concussions and injuries

    ……it’s good he stops before he destroys himself for life

  5. Frankinthe813 Says:

    Congrats on a great career.. Looking for him on tv soon calling games

  6. Rodney Munch Says:

    2013 Luke Kuechly
    156 TKLS, 2 SACKS, 10 TFL, 4 INTs, 7 PDs, 2 QB Hits, 0 FF, 0 SAFETY


    2013 Lavonte David
    145 TKLS, 7 SACKS, 21 TFL, 5 INTs, 10 PDs, 13 QB Hits, 2 FF, 1 SAFETY

    Luke – NFL Defensive MVP
    David – Doesn’t even make the Pro-Bowl.

    That’s his legacy in mind, winning the defensive MVP when he wasn’t even the best LB in his division.

  7. Bird Says:

    Their best player hands down by a mile

    There are rumors that drew brees may hang em up too

  8. LaMarcus Says:

    Kuechly was like: From a Hof qb…. now we have a 5,000 yard passer to stop? Peace to all and to all a good night. See ya wouldn’t want to be ya

  9. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:


  10. Ocala Says:

    You are right
    Start over at QB and Bucs are in full rebuild mode

  11. Rodney Munch Says:

    Luke Kuechly career numbers:
    1092 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 75 TFL, 18 INTs, 66 PDs, 31 QB Hits, 7 FF, 1 SAFETY

    Lavonte David career numbers:
    1007 tackles, 22.5 sacks, 116 TFL, 11 INTs, 45 TDs, 52 QB hits, 21 FF, 1 SAFETY

    Kuechly – 7x Pro Bowl, 5x All-Pro, 2012 AP Def ROY, 2013, AP Def POY
    David – 1x Pro Bowl, 1x All-Pro (and not even in the same year)

    Yeah, explain that…

  12. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Ndog, my dude that is not true. We have pieces and can acquire more this offseason. Our defense is finally coming on and if the run game improves this could be a good complete TEAM. I admit it would suck for JW to not be a part of the best team since he got here but we can win with another QB. Will our coach and G.M. pick the right one? I don’t know that we will get the right one but this is kind of like GMC, we can lose with you so we can certainly lose without you, ya know? At this point as a fan, I just want to win, isn’t that all you guys want?

  13. Waterboy Says:

    Things just keep getting better in Carolina.

  14. Rodney Munch Says:

    This guy is soft, he’s just another millennial quitter.

    Also guys can you go one post without Winston talk… just one?

    How about we all come together in mocking Carolina fans as they cry. They’d certainly do it to us.

  15. LaMarcus Says:

    I will miss both JW and Kuechly head up. Those 2 go at it with the calls. He was truly JW kryptonite and was able to get a few picks as well. It just stuns JW and looks like he thinks how did Kuechly know the play. Kuechly knows every single play a offense will run and where it’s going to. These are the things fans take for granted and tells how deeply a true great Kuechly was. A rarity. Lavonte does none of that

  16. SteveK Says:


    Good stuff on Lavonte! If Lavonte was a MLB he’d get more of his due. But, asan OLB, he competes with edge rushers and sackers ala Shaq Barrettt and Chandler Jones. That’s the only thing I can think of to explain it?

    I believe what hurt Lavonte most was that Mark Dominik traded back and passed on Keuchly twice.

  17. SteveK Says:


    Keuchly is not soft. He’s man enough to look out for his future (brain) health. He played 8 years. That’s a good career.

  18. LaMarcus Says:

    I like Munch. You can tell he never played football though

  19. Rodney Munch Says:

    SteveK – MLB vs coverage LB really isn’t all that different, except for you’d expect that the MLB would generally have a lot more tackles since they’d be stuffing the run a lot more. David and Luke came in the same year, and just look at the numbers, David has out produced him from a position where you wouldn’t expect to see that. Luke has slightly higher tackles and more INTs, and David more than makes up with that by dominating him everywhere else.

    Also comparing a coverage 4-3 LB with a pass rush specialist like Shaq is also nonsense. Additionally when making pro-bowl and all-pro selections you’re generally picking one pass rush DE/LB and on traditional OLB. The reason David was passed over is because he doesn’t run his mouth and doesn’t really make those big highlight play tackles where you’re blowing someone up that often. David just produces at an insane level but has been stuck on bad teams and the national media are a bunch of lazy fake news slobs who just pick guys for teams based on highlights.

  20. Ndog Says:

    Alaskan Abdominal Snowman our QB/offensive guru has said multiple times that it takes half a year for a QB to get this offense. So now we are supposed to ignore that and expect someone to walk in here next year and win right away? In addition to that odds are it will a less talented older QB or a rookie so why would we expect them to do better right away (really at all)?

  21. Rodney Munch Says:

    The guy quit on his team, quit on his fans and uses an appeal to women as an excuse for why he quit.

    If you’re scared of playing football then stick to soccer with the rest of the Eurotrash and spend the rest of your life in a NERF bubble.

    You know who didn’t quit and made a hell of a lot more impact plays and tackles – John Lynch. That’s a tough guy, not a guy who quits his job at age 28 because he’s afraid.

  22. lambchop Says:


    It takes half a season? So, the past 4+ years of TO football was just a fluke that we need to ignore? He threw for 5,000 yards and 30+ TDs, I’m pretty sure learning the offense is not the problem, homer.

  23. BridleOaks Buc Says:

    I like how Munch is preaching for LVD…When it’s all said and done, LVD will be one of the greatest Bucs…Ya hear that Geraldini?!

  24. BradOnBucs Says:

    Rodney, by your thinking im just gonna assume you have never played football competitively and you don’t know what your talking about. Quit on his job?? Show me a job where they hit you in the head about 20 times a week (not including offensive lineman) and then next week you know its happening again. All while being mentally strong enough not to blow up on uneducated fans, who spew out asinine comments like yourself there.

  25. tmaxcon Says:

    Cam goes on IR, Rivera gets fired and now Kuechly retires….. the cancer93 epidemic spreads fast and takes out all in it’s wake…. talk about coaching and team killer cancer93 works fast…. it is not a coincidence the defensive played tougher without cancer93 and the secondary grew up without vh3bust dragging them down…. Winston the one true savior has had to over come two defenses each week the opponents and his own and has been surrounded by som bad character cancers…. Winston has earned his parole from Tampa free the savior…. as soon as lvd and dotson are gone the team will be able to take the next step….

  26. Rodney Munch Says:

    “BridleOaks Buc Says:
    January 14th, 2020 at 10:16 pm
    I like how Munch is preaching for LVD…”

    It’s disgusting how overlooked LVD is – the guy is a year in, year out pro-bowler and he gets zero attention. If LVD retired today do you think the inbreds in Charlotte are talking about? Of course not.

    I guarantee idiots will be talking about Luke as a HOF prospect while David hasn’t even made a 2nd Pro-Bowl. So Luke is either vastly overrated or LVD is underrated because David is the better player.

    Since this is a Bucs forum, it’s very much the place we should be point this out, and the stats back up what I’m saying, in particular the MVP year when it wasn’t even close on who the better player was.

  27. lambchop Says:


    Where does he make an appeal to women? If the dude has serious concussion issues, then the decision to retire is his alone. You can call him what you like, but he chose to have a quality life going forward, so being a keyboard warrior means nothing. When players battle CTE later on in life, no fan is there to help them out or suffer along with them.

    We know more about the risks of football injuries now than we ever did before; it’s stupid to call out players for thinking about their quality of life especially when they’re financially able to retire at such a young age. That’s the difference between players of old and players now.

  28. tmaxcon Says:

    Rodney Munch

    you forgot to include all the games that the mentally weak co captain of some of the worst defensive units in history disappeared when his team needed or quit on coaches because his mentor cancer93 had total control over him… lvd has had 2 good seasons. he is mediocre at best and self admitted mentally weak player who can’t recover from big plays or bad calls… oh and don’t forget the 8 basement titles they trump meaningless pro bowls every day and twice on Sunday…. buc fan confuses popularity and quiet losers with greatness non stop…. there are only two great players in bucs history ladies sapp and selmon the rest are just mediocre popular players on a failed franchise with 1 fluke championship…

  29. tmaxcon Says:

    It’s a shame that Deacon Jones is not alive to explain to these pansy arse players what the difference between a concussion and the cost of doing business is… the pansy arse safe space, bubble wrap hand sanitizer generation is hilarious yet so sad and pathetic. .. ..

  30. Rodney Munch Says:

    BradOnBucs – 1700 MEN play football in the NFL, there will be hundreds more playing in the XFL, and well over 5-million MEN play football each year.

    This guy made his money and is now quitting because he’s worried about getting a booboo on his head. That’s the very definition of being soft. He’s the type of guy that would go to the concussion tent during a playoff game so everyone can tell him how “brave” he is.

    This weakling millennial mindset is amazing. We’ve literally ALWAYS known that getting hit in the head is bad – this isn’t new. In WW2 the German army had a concussion protocol in place that required you to sit in bed for 14 days without moving (or maybe it was 10, I forget). In the civil war they had similar rules. There’s nothing new- no new information – just a bunch of fear mongering. Getting hit in the head is part of what you sign up for – and he just quit.

  31. tmaxcon Says:


    off topic but I have been hitting the peace pipe and Jameson hard the last couple of hours and have a pretty good handle on the brady dilemma…. he ends up in Vegas with gruden…. the ultimate good American boy goes to Vegas in black n silver…. it is too good of a headline to pass up for the drama infatuated world we live in…. pretty boy brady, arsehole gruden, vegas too good to pass up… not to mention grudens love of qbs on social security.

  32. Rodney Munch Says:

    lambchop – What’s the rate of CTE in the general population compared to NFL players? The answer… We have no idea.

    So how can you tell me that CTE is a legit fear when we don’t even know if NFL players have it a higher rate than anyone else?

    I do know what kills at a high rate. That’s called heart disease, which comes from being a fatso sitting in an office all day. So does everyone cheer when some guy quits his desk job to go on the unemployment line because he claims if he just sits at home on welfare he’ll have more time to work out? I don’t think so.

  33. Joe Says:

    have a pretty good handle on the brady dilemma…. he ends up in Vegas with gruden….

    That’s sssooo Chucky!!!

  34. tmaxcon Says:

    Ratings for opening day raiders with brady at qb would rival playoff viewership at least double of average i would bet…. bspn would lose thier minds

  35. lambchop Says:


    Dr. Omalu should have just consulted you instead of doing all those autopsies and research. LMAO.

    Bro, find me a job where you’re cracking skulls at such a high rate of speed on purpose. You’re seriously comparing a silent killer like heart disease to outright impact hits to the head? WTF logic is that? You can sit at a day job your entire professional life, eat healthy, workout, walk around the office and live a drastically healthy life. You can’t do that playing football. There’s only one way to play.

    Nothing in our daily lives compares to playing sports (football, boxing, mma, etc.) from the 4th grade on as far as harming the quality of your life.

    Players are dumb for hoping their kids don’t play the sport, I guess.

  36. Rodney Munch Says:

    “Joe Says:
    January 14th, 2020 at 10:38 pm
    have a pretty good handle on the brady dilemma…. he ends up in Vegas with gruden….

    That’s sssooo Chucky!!!”

    If the Brady deal is all done only to have him sign instead with Cincinnati at the last minute… then it’s sssooo Chucky.

    Then Chucky can sign the guy who I called Jeff Gracia 2.0 for years… Marcus Mariota. Only it turns out I vastly overrated Mariota.

  37. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Wow I’ve learned a lot about football here tonight. I always knew the QB touched the ball the most therefore is considered the most important.

    But wow just wow!!! NDOG and OCALA have taught me tonight it’s the ONLY position.

    Moving on from JW is NOT a rebuild!!! It’s replacing the freaking QB…ONE…are we math challenged here…ONE player.

    Meanwhile we’ve FINALLY whipped our defense into shape and JW sychophants want to rebuild that? Really? All because blamelessJameis is released or traded? I agree with DR that we have possibly found a kicker…dump him..

    Dump ME and Godwin to claim a gazillion draft picks and start over like the Cleveland Browns. Brate?

    We have a half dozen or so FA’s that could keep our newly rebuilt D clicking on all cylinders and even get better. But it won’t matter if we cut “blamelessjameis”. 5 years as a freaking disaster but hey “Blameless” was spotted one evening walking across Tampa Bay…didn’t even need a bridge.

  38. Rodney Munch Says:

    “lambchop Says:
    January 14th, 2020 at 10:46 pm

    Dr. Omalu”

    …. oh I get it, you watched the Will Smith movie and you thought that was all real and not just a Hollywood drama.

    Anyways, you might want to look up confirmed CTE rates and how NFL players compared to the general population and get back to me. (hint, there are zero studies)

    Anyways CTE is vastly overblown as we have NO idea how widespread it is, how widespread it is compared to non-football players and players in other sports and we don’t even know exactly how it impacts people. Yes, there are people that got punched repeatedly in the head their entire life as boxers who are clearly not there, but there’s also a ton of people who were boxers their entire life who have no issues.

    Also you asked who else gets hit in the head 20 times a week… answer: Professional wrestlers, except they do it 52 weeks a year instead of just 16… well 16 if you’re a Bucs fan 🙁

  39. Adrnagy Says:

    It’s a maybe lvd makes the pro bowl.

  40. tmaxcon Says:


    You need to follow tball… trophies and hugs are more your thing. Leave capitalism and competition to real fans of sport….. remember greed is good and the weak chooae to be poor…. hardwork dedication and not playing the victim card is the key to success not hand outs….. also remember a player who takes 5 million less also has to sacrifice the 3k a night date for the 1200 per night date…. that a lot to ask a young rich athlete to sacrifice because you think he’s made enough…..

  41. lambchop Says:

    I love how Ndog flips the narrative when it benefits him. His new excuse is that it takes half a season to get this offense down. All while he was hollering that Jameis is the next Brontana with 5,000 yards and 30 TDs. That narrative was great during the season every time he needed an excuse to sweep the TOs under the rug. But, now “he needs time” to get this offense.

    Puh-lease. Jameis has done nothing special any more than what Ryan Fitzpatrick did. They both can have huge games and collapse in the very next minute.

    For me, it comes down to $$$$. The Bucs can’t lock up dumb money on a dumb player when you see players on their rookie contracts getting it done. This team is built just like the 2002 Bucs. Michael Pittman was not Emmitt Smith and Brad Johnson was not Tom Brady. You don’t need a hero at QB, especially if you get a stud running game going; more the reason not to invest heavily in the human turnover machine.

    Most of the QBs with the most yards this season were fishin while the real QBs were playing meaningful playoff games. If you win the TO battle, you have a better chance of winning football games. And for the “Jameis needs to score more than 30 just to win” crowd, you can shave 10-14 points off that since Jameis happily contributes to the other teams’ points.

  42. Jimmy d Says:

    Take care ya’lls body, ya’lls mentals and ya’lls chicken

  43. Ndog Says:

    So how is quoting the head coach flipping the narrative? You guys are so full of crap but again we shall see but no matter who comes in here the expectations will be the #3 scoring offense in the NFL and less than 20 TOs and of course wins. Anything less will be an abject failure. So hopefully we can get someone who can do that cause that will be the expectation.

  44. lambchop Says:


    I can’t argue with someone who has no common sense. Many players who died with CTE were never diagnosed. So, the numbers may well be higher. CTE is such a non-issue that the NFL is investing so much money in helmet design and changing the rules for player safety?

    The evidence of CTE in football is getting buried because it will impact the NFLs bottom line. I don’t need a Will Smith movie to convince me of that.

    Brain trauma is real. It may impact people in different ways because there are regions of the brain that control different things. Would anyone take a chance that they get away with a less severe region of the brain being impacted?

    People should study car crashes, boxing, MMA, etc. But, players who are millionaires with knowledge the NFL has tried covering up the issue aren’t exactly going to wait around for a court case or a medical report. You think players don’t know that they’re pumped with pain killers just to play the game at no consideration of their health? Players are figuring out the money machine of the NFL. The NFL can’t risk people stopping their kids from playing pop warner.

  45. Ndog Says:

    Show me where I said anything about Jameis needing time you idiot? I am referring to whoever comes in to replace him, can you even read? Arguing with you people is like taking to a 4 year old.

  46. lambchop Says:


    The coach also said the OT TO didn’t help Jameis’s case in deciding his future. What are coaches going to say? Use your own judgement, if he threw 5,000 yards and 30+ TDs, do YOU think he needs more time in this offense? The offensive playbook doesn’t tell him to throw pick-6’s does it? Cuz that’s what he needs to clean up. But, he hasn’t figured it out because his mechanics are bad, decision making is bad, he is too stubborn/risk-taker, he doesn’t look off receivers or use his stance or eyes to manipulate the defense.

    He is too erratic. He doesn’t have the mental game to be elite consistently.

    Oh, so the standard for the new QB is going to be wins? Yea, cuz Jameis was a real winner. LOL.

  47. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Ndog if the Bucs can bolster the run game and the defense improves from the end of this year then we can nullify that half of season learning period and win some games. I certainly think we can do better than 2-6 in the first half this year but that means our defense is playing good, our kicker is hitting his kicks, and we aren’t turning it over 3x a game.
    I do believe Jameis is fully capable and I hope he gets the chance but if we can find someone else to do enough, we can have a lot more money to build this TEAM.
    Again, I hope he gets the chance but if he doesn’t, this team is still ready to win in my eyes.

  48. Rodney Munch Says:

    It’s amazing how everything has to be about Winston and there’s no time to even enjoy the tears of our rivals…

    It’s sad.

  49. Tackleblockwin Says:


    After looking at the stats you posted…I just don’t know what to say. It is just so sickening that David has been so disrespected by pro bowl voters. Nothing we didn’t already know, but those numbers need to be circulated on every other team blog imo.

  50. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Rodney Munch Says:
    2013 Luke Kuechly
    156 TKLS, 2 SACKS, 10 TFL, 4 INTs, 7 PDs, 2 QB Hits, 0 FF, 0 SAFETY


    2013 Lavonte David
    145 TKLS, 7 SACKS, 21 TFL, 5 INTs, 10 PDs, 13 QB Hits, 2 FF, 1 SAFETY

    Why pick and choose a year? They were drafted in the same year, so here are the career totals:

    2013 Luke Kuechly
    1,092 Tackles 12.5 Sacks 1 Safety 67 PDef 18 INTs 1 TD 7 Fumbles

    Lavonte David
    1,008 Tackles 22.5 Sacks 1 Safety 46 PDef 11 INTs 2 TDs 21 Fumbles

  51. lambchop Says:


    It doesn’t matter how you said it. The point is you would rather have the human turnover machine rather than let another QB develop into the position, because Jameis is the ONLY option for the Bucs to win. Yea, we’ve been waiting 5 years for consistent play at the QB position with Jameis. What’s the difference starting with another QB who can’t possibly set a more infamous record like 30/30.

    You can spin the little argument that I read your comment wrong, but not the essence of what a homer you are. You do know that a good OC will tailor or scale back a playbook to suit the strengths of a QB, right? Nick Foles and Doug Pederson?

  52. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    “2013 Luke Kuechly” meqant to be “Luke Kuechly”

  53. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:


    Man, I need sleep

  54. Bucsfan951 Says:

    So NPUPPY says it takes half a season to learn this offense. So can we expect 6500 yards, 45tds, 15 ints next season since he’s got the offense down? What numbers are you looking forward to since all you do is bring up his 5000 yards passing.

    I know how this is gonna go from the PUPPY. Give him a run game, an o line that can block, receivers that will run the right routes, and a defense that can be average to good.

    News flash, slick! 121 points were scored off of Winston turnovers!!!

  55. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    lambchop Says

    It doesn’t matter how you said it. The point is you would rather have the human turnover machine rather than let another QB develop into the position, because Jameis is the ONLY option for the Bucs to win.

    Um, why does it have to be either-or?

    Franchise Jameis to see if he proves himself, and draft a QB in rounds 2-3 to develop. Meanwhile, bring in a decent backup veteran for a year as well. Wouldn’t be the first time we keep 3 QBs.

  56. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Just spend that first pick on a RT.

  57. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Bucsfan951 Says:
    “5000 yards passing”

    Um, you need to look at his stats again.

    Winston had:
    – The most yards per game of his career
    – The most attempts per game of his career
    – The most total yard of his career
    – The most yards per completion of his career
    – The most Touchdowns of his career
    – The most rushing attempts of his career

    Was sacked the most times of his career
    – The most picks of his career

    Anyone who claims he did not improve in all areas but one is lying to support their bias.

  58. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:


    – The most deep completions of his career

  59. Ndog Says:



    And yes 951 every TO is his fault we know. So one question when the ball bounces off of OJs hands AGAIN or Barber runs the wrong route who you gonna blame then? Your whipping boy will be gone that’s why part of me wants him gone so all of THE CLUELESS will finally be forced to see the truth, but either way you will never admit it.

  60. Ndog Says:

    Oh one last thing please tell me how the number 3 scoring offense in the NFL with no running game has an inconsistent QB?


    Man schooling you losers is fun, but to Damn easy.

  61. lambchop Says:

    @Buccaneer Bonzai,

    Jameis Winston is the equivalent of Aguayo, a mental midget. He’ll crumble knowing his replacement is breathing down his neck. He’d rather have Ryan Grffin, Mike Glennon, Blaine Gabbert type of backups.

    You don’t draft a QB or trade for a legit QB and keep your incumbent who’s job is on the line. Those types of situations are a disaster for teams.

    We need to sign players, not lock up money in a player who has been given ample opportunity to tame his TOs. Franchising Jameis isn’t gonna be free.

    There comes a time where you have to cut your losses. What’s the point of another 7-9 season? Keeping Jameis on the franchise tag makes a 7-9 season more palatable? He knows his job is on the line, he knows the conversation behind his back. It’s too little, too late. It would be best for him and the team to move on.

  62. lambchop Says:

    Franchising Winston does 2 things: it guarantees no veteran QB comes to Tampa and it lets any QB know that even if he plays better than Winston in TC and his salary is less than Winston’s, that Jameis will start because of the money he’s making on the franchise tag.

    It makes no sense to me. You can’t franchise him and hope to get a quality QB as competition. It just won’t work for so many reasons.

  63. Buc1987 Says:

    The Bucs need to make a decision on Jameis and make it soon.

    The fanbase is going nuts.

    Let us know. Is he coming back or not?

    If he is. I support the decision and I’ll support Jameis as well as every Buc.

    Just do it sooner rather than later.


  64. lambchop Says:

    Do or do not, there is no try.

  65. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    lambchop Says
    “You don’t draft a QB or trade for a legit QB and keep your incumbent who’s job is on the line.”

    Okay, clear bias with ya. I get it.

    But just so you know, I said NOTHING about a trade for a legit QB. No team is going to give up a legit one. Please tell me you don’t mean the half year wonder who got cut by the team he was drafted with because he could not hack it as a starter.

    When I said veteran, I meant someone who can win a few games if Winston gets injured, because a rookie might not be ready to step in.

    So far as Jameis’ salary, the Bucs currently have around $90 million in cap space. And if the NFL and NFLPA come to a CPA agreement early, like things are looking, there is a good chance that Jameis will not count against the cap, because teams might be able to not count one player against the cap (like the NBA I think).

    But even if he does count against the cap…Suh is $10m, JPP is around $12m, Shaq is around $15m. That’s only $37m, leaving around $53,000,000 to re-sign Jameis, the draft and free agency.

  66. Buc1987 Says:


    One less really good Panther to have to worry about….

    Good riddance. He’s a stud.

  67. lambchop Says:


    Do you realize that there are other players on offense besides the QB? You know, the ones that sky and catch errant passes their way or the ones who slow down and break their stride? How many INTs were dropped by the other teams?

    Schooling you is my hobby. I don’t gotta focus on it since you make it so easy.

    We can play this game all night, homer. OMG, Howard bobbled a pass? Wow, so has EVERY TE and WR in the history of the game. 2 max INTs by receivers does not add up to 30!!! Do the math. Use a calculator, I’ll wait.

  68. Buc1987 Says:

    Bonzai…I’m glad to see you have it all out my man.

    Go Bucs! (Where I have no idea)

  69. Buc1987 Says:

    Figured out*

  70. Buc1987 Says:

    lambchop…lol Do the math.

    G’night Bucs fans!

  71. lambchop Says:

    @Buccaneer Bonzai,

    Again, has Winston shown he can be counted on to make it to the playoffs? Why lock up money in dumb players? You think Winston is not going to count against the cap? LOL. There have been plenty of rookies who have stepped in and performed. I’m not saying it’s guaranteed, but the Winston train has left the building. I don’t think he can over come the 2nd guessing any more. He knows he had a great season last year from a personal stats point of view, but his 30 INTs doomed his season and the team.

    I don’t have a bias to any QB and don’t have one in mind to replace Winston, I just know this experiment has been a failure. Winston is a stud considering talent, but he’s a mental midget of inconsistency. My expectation from the QB are a LOT higher than the Ndog’s of the world.

    We have been basement dwellers for over a decade, I don’t think year 6 of the Winston experiment is going to change anything with his penchant for staring down receivers at the most inopportune times.

    What is the point of hanging around for year 6 if you don’t know which Winston is going to show up? For a 7-9, 8-8 season? He doesn’t have the intangibles to not harm his own team. At least with a QB with a lower talent level, the coaches can game plan around his mediocrity. I’m pretty sure most QBs can have a better TD/INT ratio than Jameis.

    Nick Foles, Ryan Flacco, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc have proven you don’t need a HOFer to win the SB. Can we just build around an average QB and be content? I don’t care for yards and TDs, just wins and a consistent QB. Dan Marino would agree.

  72. lambchop Says:

    *Joe Flacco

  73. Bucsfan951 Says:

    bonzai: and what did all of that get him?

    32th ranked qbr.
    Most ints in the league and by far!
    121 points off of Winston turnovers.
    7.5 points per game given to the other team from his to’s.
    A 60.7% completion rate (slightly better than mariota and Minshew)
    7 pick 6’s

    Are you serious about all of those things you listed? They mean NOTHING when you give up the ball like Winston did. Look at all of the other qbs. 26 tds, 6 ints. 36 tds, 6 tds. 31 tds, 5 ints. Hell, tannehill had 22 tds and 6 ints.

    How many points did the Bucs average this yr? 28.5? Well, about 3-3.5 points per game average is from the defensive tds. So that leaves the offense averaging 25 or so points per game? Well, 7.5 points per game off of Winston turnovers were scored. Bucs d averaged 28.1 points given up per game. Take away the 7.5 points per game by our atm qb, that brings the average down to under 21 points per game.


  74. Bucsfan951 Says:

    Bonzai says “ Anyone who claims he did not improve in all areas but one is lying to support their bias.”

    My response “Anyone who claims his turnovers doesn’t matter and didn’t play into the 7-9 season, is lying to support their bs.”

    Yards and all that other crap doesn’t matter when you spot the opponents an average of 7.5 points per game. It isn’t that hard to understand.

  75. lambchop Says:

    @Buccaneer Bonzai,

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Bucs pay Chris Godwin now, rather than later when his asking price will be a LOT higher. Even if they have money left under the cap, that doesn’t mean you light it on fire.

  76. Bucsfan951 Says:

    And NPUPPY, all of the above goes to you, too. Bucs had a #3 offense and a #15 defense. So why aren’t they in the playoffs? Kicking? Oh that’s right, it cost the Bucs 2-3 games. The 7.5 points by your man crush didn’t play into that tho.

    There were 5 playoff qbs that you can add up all of their ints and you still have 5-6 left before hitting Winstons. That doesn’t matter?

    Oh that’s right, it’s the time’s and receivers faults. Not like other qbs have that same issue… it must be isolated to Winston only.

    I want to say game set match to you but I’m not a moron so I won’t say it.

  77. lambchop Says:

    @Ndog and @Bonzai,

    Let me throw this hypothetical out there for you two. Could Winston have led his team from a 24 point deficit? He has shown time and again that when he has to chase points, he plays erratic and takes a lot of risks because he thinks he has to play hero ball.

    Jameis Winston would have had a 4 INT night if he were in Mahome’s shoes that game. Mahones had 5 TDs and 0, zero, zilch INTs.

    We’re not so lucky to draft a Patrick Mahomes, but it proves you don’t have to keep riding the same gravy train to nowhere out of FEAR.

  78. lambchop Says:

    I didn’t even mention that it was a playoff game at home. Under that kind of pressure, Mahomes had the maturity to lead that team and let his playmakers do their thing.

  79. Bucsfan951 Says:

    Lamb chop: winstons biggest comeback victory was 14 points and that was Indy this year. Fun wanna hear a fun fact? He had a pick 6 in that game!

    He also had another 14 point comeback victory vs sf in 2016. Want to hear another fun fact? I was at that game! Oh, Winston also had an int at the Bucs 23 which obviously led to a niners td. Surprise surprise, right?

  80. Buczilla Says:

    Goodbye and good riddance (from a purely football perspective since he was the enemy on Sundays after all). Damn good player who was probably a bit overrated. I sure as hell wish that we had taken him over Mark Barron back in 2012. Anything that weakens the teams in our division makes me smile. I’m hoping that Drew hangs em up next…

  81. Rod Munch Says:

    Tackleblockwin Says:
    January 14th, 2020 at 11:27 pm

    After looking at the stats you posted…I just don’t know what to say. It is just so sickening that David has been so disrespected by pro bowl voters. Nothing we didn’t already know, but those numbers need to be circulated on every other team blog imo.


    Thank you, that’s why I always post them.

  82. Rod Munch Says:

    Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
    January 14th, 2020 at 11:29 pm
    Rodney Munch Says:
    2013 Luke Kuechly
    156 TKLS, 2 SACKS, 10 TFL, 4 INTs, 7 PDs, 2 QB Hits, 0 FF, 0 SAFETY


    2013 Lavonte David
    145 TKLS, 7 SACKS, 21 TFL, 5 INTs, 10 PDs, 13 QB Hits, 2 FF, 1 SAFETY

    Why pick and choose a year? They were drafted in the same year, so here are the career totals:


    I was picking the year that Luke won defensive player of the year award – he was the defensive MVP, the award given too all-time greats like Sapp and Brooks.

    Well in his MVP season he wasn’t even as good as a LB in his own division. Luke gets that MVP award and David… well David doesn’t even get a pro-bowl invite.

    Also I did in fact post their career numbers right after that.

  83. Rod Munch Says:

    “lambchop Says:
    January 14th, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    I can’t argue with someone who has no common sense. Many players who died with CTE were never diagnosed.”

    My point, as stated before, is that we have no idea about what the rates are – not only in the NFL but versus the general population – and that knowledge is REQUIRED before anyone can say something is an epidemic or even a concern. There is no control group in this study, we don’t know if 0% of the general population has CTE or 50% of the general population has CTE. Without those base numbers to work from we literally can’t say something is a problem – all we can do is take note and wait for larger, credible studies to come along.

    As for the NFL… LOL! They’re hiding the fact that getting hit in the head is bad? That’s as stupid as the government suing for billions against the smoking companies for saying the same thing. Literally everyone, and I mean literally everyone, knew smoking was bad for you – and literally everyone, and I mean literally everyone, knows getting hit in the head isn’t a good thing. It also isn’t a good thing to be a solider if all you care about is your own health – yet people do it anyways and not for 7-figure salaries.

    The world isn’t covered with NERF, and if you fame and fortune – then you take risks. If you want to be safe just never leave your house, ever, be car accidents have literally killed millions of people and CTE hasn’t killed anyone.

  84. Rod Munch Says:

    “:lambchop Says:
    January 15th, 2020 at 12:43 am
    @Ndog and @Bonzai,

    Let me throw this hypothetical out there for you two. Could Winston have led his team from a 24 point deficit?”

    That’s literally just called the 2nd quarter of any game with Mike Smith as DC.

  85. Todd Says:


    You definitely win the “I’m a secret king” award!

    Which basically means…you are a closet homo who has never played a down of football in your life.

  86. SteveK Says:


    Is the earth flat too? CTE is real. Brain health is a concern. I respect Kecuhly for walking away. Look at the late Junior Seau- look how he sadly ended his journey in order to preserve his brain for research.

    It’s very easy for you to criticize their decision to retire, but good for them and their quality of life. I love football and don’t want to see anyone suffer debilitating injuries from participating.

  87. ClodHopper Says:

    Riverboat Ron gone. Kuechly gone. Cam a shell of his former self. Things are looking good.

    Was hoping the new owner was going to a dumb micro manager but he seems pretty smart. This bad news for the Stinking Panthers might be short lived.

  88. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Hell of a football player !

  89. Joseph Mamma Says:


    Boo boo on the head? Seriously? Enough with the macho, he is not tough enough Bull. Who does keuchly have to prove he is tough to? Seems to me like he made tough decision to take care of his brain and body by retiring. Having your teammates and fans adore u is great and all but smart players know now that doesn’t last and it’s not worth long term brain damage. His loved ones and family, you know the people in his life that he will have after football, are probably so thrilled about his decision.

  90. Allbuccedup Says:

    Panthers just hired Joe Brady as offensive coordinator could they make a move for Joe Burrow? If so bad news for the NFC south and Bucco Bruce.

  91. Cobraboy Says:

    Kueckly was one of the most solid NLB’s to play the game, and I will miss watching him run a defense, even for an opponent.

    A lot of concussions in his term, can’t say I blame him, especially since his skill would be wasted on a rebuilding team.

  92. lowercaseg Says:

    This is good news since he owned the bucs regularly

  93. Aceofaerospace Says:

    I guess Tennessee went into full rebuild mode after they moved on from Mariota. If full rebuild mode got us to the NFC championship game next year, I’ll take it. It’s not the end of the world to move on from Mr. Pick-6. It does matter who he is replaced with and how that works out.

  94. DBS Says:

    Nice to see Ndog back. As usual calling people names this week. But I I thought you were done with us AGAIN and not coming back. Just like I said another not a man of his word. Just another Kobe.

  95. Bucsalltheway Says:

    Arians sucks at picking qbs like really sucks. You want a damn near perfect season to have a backup play in the playoffs…save me the disappointment lol

  96. Bucsalltheway Says:

    Just to think people wanted kuechley over david…andrew luck 2.0 lol

  97. Ghost of Darrell Henderson Says:

    Congratulations to probably the best LB of all time.

    In 5 years, he will be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer and much deserved.

    Thank God the Bucs don’t have to face him twice a year.

    This has big implications in the draft for Carolina, Jax and Tampa Bay since the #1 pick (#8) of the Stinking Panthers will be Simmons S/LB out of Clemson. That means Herbert or Jordan (QBs) Love will be available at 14.


  98. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Don’t get me wrong. I’m not a Winston apologist. The Interceptions do matter.

    But there has to be balance to this argument. Winston did improve in most areas. The stats show it.

    And throughout his career, his interceptions rose whenever his sacks did. Also shown in the stats.

    All I’m saying is that I am willing to give him one more season under Arians IF Arians is willing. I’m going to trust that Arians know’s what he is doing.

    This is a change in my thinking, because I went into this past season with a ShowMe-Don’tTellMe attitude if you recall.

    In all fairness, the team did get better. Of course, how the two lines are addressed are important now. I would rather we address the defensive line and right tackle than have to start breaking in a rookie QB to start.

  99. Siege the Bay Says:

    didnt realize this was a luke kuechly fan page???? Im glad he’s hanging it up!!!! I hope Drew Brees does too!!

  100. Hawk Says:

    Any chance that Kuechly’s retirement has anything to do with a new coaching staff being announced two weeks ago?

  101. Joe Says:

    Any chance that Kuechly’s retirement has anything to do with a new coaching staff being announced two weeks ago?

    Am sure it is a factor.

    Kuechly’s a smart guy. He’s been beat up; had a lot of concussions. The Stinking Panthers are probably two or three years away from another Super Bowl run. Could argue they are in a rebuild.

    Kuechly will do well outside of football. He has a good degree from a very good school. Joe has a hunch we will read about him being in some team’s front office years from now, not unlike John Lynch or Ozzie Newsome.

  102. Ghost of Darrell Henderson Says:

    Correction: Jordan Love (QB)

  103. PhillyBuc Says:

    I sure he decided he couldn’t play one more down with McSoftie on the D line.

  104. Rod Munch Says:

    McSoftie didn’t just quit on his team.

  105. Rod Munch Says:

    “Todd Says:
    January 15th, 2020 at 5:49 am

    You definitely win the “I’m a secret king” award!

    Which basically means…you are a closet homo who has never played a down of football in your life.”

    LOL! You win the triggered award.

  106. Rod Munch Says:


    Boo boo on the head? Seriously? Enough with the macho, he is not tough enough Bull. ”

    So you’re saying we need to switch to flag football, it’s what’s best for everyone. Thanks for your input.

  107. Rod Munch Says:

    “SteveK Says:
    January 15th, 2020 at 6:45 am

    Is the earth flat too? CTE is real. ”

    Dope, what I said is we have no idea about what the rate of CTE is in the general population vs people who play football. How is that denying it exists. The only one denying anything here are the people like you that deny the facts that we don’t know hardly anything about CTE yet you want to pretend like it’s a plague exclusive to NFL players. We don’t even know what CTE does to people, there is no evidence of increased suicide rates, and it’s not proven if it has anything to do with dementia.

    What we do know is that long before CTE became a buzz word people knew getting hit in the head was bad – and people now pretending as if the NFL hid that info – it’s fake news nonsense.

  108. MadMax Says:

    And there goes Simmons fo sho!! danggit man!!!!!!!!

  109. Brett Buell Says:

    The Bucs could have taken him, but they drafted Mark barron. Kuechley was taken two picks later.