Charlie Weis: Fire Jameis If You Want To Win

December 10th, 2019

Retired NFL offensive coordinator Charlie Weis was the playcaller for elite offenses with the Jets (1998) and in New England (three Super Bowls), and he had a strong 2010 campaign with Chiefs, where he shocked the world and pulled a Pro Bowl season out of quarterback Matt Cassel.

So Joe has all the respect in the world for Weis when it comes to NFL offense.

Weis now collects a paycheck for his weekday show on SiriusXM NFL Radio. It was there yesterday that Weis was adamant the Buccaneers cannot win with Jameis Winston, America’s Quarterback.

“I think if the Bucs want to challenge in the NFC South, they need to get another quarterback,” Weis said. “I think Jameis can play in this league, but he’s shown, despite his top-line ability, to be too inconsistent to count on winning 10 games or more.

“I mean, he’s going to win you a bunch of games, but he’s going to lose you a bunch of games. [Sunday,] you happened to have one of those rare games where he tried to do both … and you ended up on the long end of that and not the short end. I think the kid’s got a bunch of ability. But he’s been in the league five years, he’s proved at best he’s inconsistent.”

Weis’ perspective is interesting because he’s looking at it from the vantage point of winning a Super Bowl, not just being a good quarterback.

Is Jameis too inconsistent to succeed in the playoffs? Joe can’t answer that question, and therein lies the concern of many fans who think hard-working Jameis simply has reached his peak through 67 starts.

131 Responses to “Charlie Weis: Fire Jameis If You Want To Win”

  1. Dapostman Says:

    If the Bucs let Winston walk he will be this generations Jim Plunkett.

    Book it!

  2. Rick Says:


  3. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Who is the alternative? T Bridgewater? Dak Prescott? Cam Newton?
    Andy Dalton (LOL)?
    Arians will stick with Jameis.

  4. LordCornelius Says:

    All I know is every SB winning team of the last decade still basically had a top 5-10 scoring defense and majority top 5.

    No QB is going to win a SB here until we can create that. Gauging whether our QB can win a SB using a sample size with all bottom barrel defenses is kind of hard.

    All we know to this point is that with an average scoring defense, subpar run game & special teams, he had a winning record. It’s possible he has another winning record this year with the same formula except even worse aggregate defense rankings.

    The other 3 years we’ve been bottom barrel defense, run game, special teams, etc, which is a losing formula even if your QB is Drew Brees (see 3 straight losing seasons with him as QB when his team was what the Bucs have been).

  5. ChanEpic Says:

    Oh? Where’s Tom Landry’s hot take? What does Bear Bryant say about Jameis?

  6. ChanEpic Says:

    This is the biggest OK Boomer moment of the NFL season

  7. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    LordCornelis right on and that is what the GM licht has not had any clue with regards to a vision nor plan f building a franchise that can win. He has had at least 5 different visions since getting here from drafting TEs to ignoring the DL and not realizing the RB is still used in the NFL…recipe equals 5-11 franchise

  8. Rayjay1122 Says:

    I seem to remember at FSU, he would start games looking awful and then come back in the 2nd half. Much of that was FSU having more talent than most opponents and also them having a good rushing attack.

    Now, he does not have such a disparity in team talent vs opponents and no rushing attack to keep defenses honest. If we had a rushing attack that kept defenses honest, maybe he could get a grip on the turnovers but who knows. I am sick of the interceptions and wins that have to be nailbiters but who else is available to continue the productive side of Winston’s game? None of the to rookie QB prospects will be there between pick 12-19 of the 1st round and do we know of a solid veteran who is a good bet to produce desired results? I don’t see another Drew Breed type free agent anytime soon.

    We just may be stuck with what we have for now.

  9. SickofLosing Says:

    After the Panthers London game I was all for dumping him. Now though, you have to give him another year at least. I see a deal similar to what Donovan Smith got last year, 1 or 2 years guaranteed with a club option for 3rd year with a slight discount, around 20-20 mil per year.

  10. Lunchbox Says:

    Haven’t you yourself said Jameis has reached his ceiling? Or is that the “other” Joe?

  11. Robert Says:

    JW has lost them more fans than he ever brought…. If BA couldn’t fix him no one can.

    he did the same thing this year he did last year, the year brefore, the year before…..

    should have traded him last year, along with many other missed trade ops by licht. ship them both out.

  12. ElBajito43 Says:

    Drew Lock is looking awesome right now,


    The great SEAN MOMPY BUNTER was selected by the creative genius that is Jason “TRASH” LICHT at #39 OVERALL

    DREW LOCK WAS TAKEN AT #42 overall!!!!

    D i s. Gus. Ting. Absolutely. Sha m e ful


  13. ben Says:

    keep the excuses coming for Winston and be willing to have an average football team that won’t compete for the big game ..

  14. LaMarcus Says:


    Shut up. Cuz Lock has 2 good games and “oh, we could of had him” where was this thinking when he was on the bench?

  15. LordCornelius Says:

    I hope Lock succeeds cuz I live in Denver and they need it. That said lol @ the sample size. I think he has 2 deep completions total. Tons of YAC scores / short passing

  16. ElBajito43 Says:

    Unfortunately there seems to be ZERO options rt now. ALL BUCS MANAGEMENT KNOWS:

    you cannot draft a QB unless he is a 6-7th round ClipBoard Holder.

    The psychological impact on JW3 would be catastrophic, he cannot compete against another QB only versus himself and his 3 interception games to battle back and squeak out a win.

    No team should behave the way Bucs are with neglecting an emergency replacement for JW3.

    Saints went out and signed BRIDGEWATEREDown for only a handful of games to keep their season alive in case of injury. NOW JW3 has a fracture in his Groper finger.

    What would the Bucs do if we were in a playoff chase and needed to win out to get in but JW3 had to sit for 4 weeks to heal????

    Idiots there are soooo many reasons to draft a QB now we will enter year 6 with only RG4 and JW3. Maybe we get a look at Griffin more than 1 pass play or 2 for goodness sake my gosh.

  17. SickofLosing Says:

    1st in interceptions
    1st in total turnovers
    2nd in tds
    2nd in yards
    2nd in passing yards per game
    8th in first downs per attempt
    11th in tds per attempt

    2 passing per 4113
    3 yards per game 5107
    3 yards per game 392.8
    3 in scoring offense 29.1

  18. Joe in Michigan Says:

    I disagree, and have little respect for Charlie Weis. I was on a flight with him, from Minneapolis to South Bend, when Weis was coaching at Kansas. He shows up in dark sunglasses like he thinks he’s a rock star, even though his Kansas team was 1-11. Several people on the flight (Notre Dame fans, I presume) recognized the 400 pound Weis and tried to speak with him. He just raised his hand without saying anything, as if to say he doesn’t talk to peasants.

  19. diggler Says:

    Winston is that hot chick at work with the banging body but has a smokers cough and a brown tooth, gave everyone herpes and picks her nose.

  20. Sleepy903 Says:

    Never listen to anybody that was fired from Kansas as the head football coach. He could have literally won 8 games a year and kept his job. He cant evaluate talent. He can call plays but thats it. Talent eval severely lacking.

    Tell him to focus on the X’s and O’s and not the Jimmy’s and Joe’s.

  21. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Somebody up above said “Arians will stick with Winston”……HUH? Did you not hear Arians absolute statement that he is NOT in the “I’m sticking with Jameis” crowd right now???

  22. ocala Says:

    Weis was getting paid by Notre Dame, Florida and Kansas to not coach their football teams all at the same time.

  23. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Hard for any losing team to bring on new fans. Can’t blame Jameis for that. Maybe he got rid of some high horse fair weather fans but Jameis is far from a bad human being and there are plenty of those in the NFL

  24. tmaxcon Says:

    the savior is not going anywhere…

  25. D-Rome Says:

    Clearly it was Reasonable Joe that wrote this one.

  26. Defense Rules Says:

    Lord C … I agree with you 100% about the Top 5-10 defense, but that begs the question ‘How do you build a TEAM that has a high-scoring offense, a Top 5-10 defense and effective Special Teams?’ Or more specifically ‘How do you AFFORD that team?’ The current BALANCE between the offense & the defense is obviously out of whack given that we’ve got so many UFAs when the season ends.

    Until this year, it’s obvious that the past 2 GMs had no clue how to answer those questions. If they did, we wouldn’t have been perennial losers. We’ve been loaded down with expensive weapons & offensive players to support them, but at the expense of building a strong defense.

    I’m really HOPEFUL that 2020 will be different. It’ll cost us roughly $85 mil by my estimates to bring back JPP, Suh, Barrett & Nassib, plus re-sign several backups AND sign a quality veteran Safety. We’d also need 2 of our Top 4 draft picks for the defense IMO (preferably both DLine). Given that, we could probably squeak out a Top-10 defense next year (barring major injuries of course). We’ve got a good core of talent on-board right now, but replacing quality performers is always a risky proposition. And in the Bucs case, it’s a VERY RISKY proposition.

  27. Jaywill Says:

    Rayjay that was the 1st half of his 2nd year. His first he dominated didn’t play in most 4th quarters but he had a great defense that year and a good oline. 2nd year 2 freshman on his oline the defense was young & average at best.

  28. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    STAT humpers…a Modest Proposal..and compromise…let’s go with a two QB system…yet to be names QB starts the first 10 games and then bring Jameis in for the last 6 as his record shows he he best in the last 6 games…win…everybody is happy…now the PlayOffs is another matter…perhaps one of JBF polls…but let’s not get ahead of ourselves 🙂

  29. Buc_U Says:

    It’s funny how people in the “Fire Jameis!” camp seem to ignore the fact that the only thing that has changed in the last 3 games is the play of the secondary. We won those 3 games. So this idea that we cannot win with Jameis is ludicrous. We cannot win with a defense that gives up over 30 points a game and 500 yards of offense.

  30. TexBuc Says:

    Charlie beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and I believe BA likes what he is seeing. Bottom line is all that matters is BA’s opinion. My OPINION says Winston will be under center next year.

  31. Dirty Bucs Says:

    You’re missing a key element with your top 5-10 defense argument. Take a look at any of the top 10 defenses in the league. Look at how many times their QB has turned the ball over on their own side of the field, effectively cutting their margin for error in half (or more). Now look at how many times Jameis has done this to his defense. Still have questions?

  32. Anonymous Says:

    JW is like Trollmax. He makes us miserable but he isn’t going anywhere.

  33. Defense Rules Says:

    Alaskan …’Hard for any losing team to bring on new fans. Can’t blame Jameis for that.’

    A little different perspective Alaskan. From an attendance standpoint, Jameis IS part of the problem. I know a number of folks who refuse to go see the Bucs (but who used to) BECAUSE of Jameis. Whatever perception Bucs’ FANS hold of Jameis, there are those who just will not let go of their negative views about his college ‘escapades’ and his Uber ‘hassle’. Business apparently shares that IMO because Jameis doesn’t have any ‘endorsements’ that I’m aware of (he lost several when Uber went down).

    I’m convinced that fans respond to (1) winning and (2) personalities. I still remember our Super Bowl season, and how fans came out of the woodwork to be at the games. Derrick Brooks, Mike Alstott & several others will always be my favorite Bucs. But I also know some who, if you GAVE them Super Bowl tickets, really would sell them rather than watch Jameis play in the Super Bowl. Those ‘incidents’ made a lasting impression on many I think. Regaining ‘trust’ after something like that can be very difficult.

  34. Buczilla Says:

    This Weis is a clever fella and I agree with him completely. I’d be surprised if Jameis isn’t franchised though to see if he can finally turn things around and for Licht and Arians to save face. I’m just hoping that we don’t tie ourselves to this dude (like the Rams foolishly did with Jared Goff) before he’s earned it. (I’m more likely to invent a flying saucer and travel the universe with Salma Hayek at my side).

  35. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Funny to read a bunch of Madden nerds and couch coaches criticize a coach was a success in the league and helped groom Brady

    Man this fan base is so delusional

    Tell me the last playoff qb who had over 20 turnovers?

  36. pryda...sec 147 Says:

    Yeah right gtfo with that crap

  37. LaMarcus Says:

    Since JW cant win is anything so what did we need in the previous years? Why are the Bucs the worst franchise in all pro sports? Let’s not act like Peyton manning was a buc. We never have had a good qb

  38. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    We have simply missed on too many draft picks…….ASJ, Spence, Aguayo, VH3, MJ Stewart……and those are 1st & 2nd rounders…..

    Jameis is an inconsistent QB playing for a poor team……if we are going to keep Jameis, we need to give him a good team…..and he needs to help by playing for a discount.

  39. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    Helped groom Brady…or traded off the success of Brady, Bellichick before bilking Notre Dame out of a pot of gold ? He’s somewhat entertaining on Sirius XM in the morning with Bob Papa…minus the heavy breathing between donut bites.

  40. Sport Says:

    This sums it up for me.

    In BA I Trust!

  41. Says:

    Give him a strong defense and running game and Jameis can win any game!

  42. Sleepy903 Says:

    Loyaltotheend Section 312

    His success begins and ends as a coordinator. There is a reason he never was a head coach in the NFL. There was a reason he was fired from both Notre Dame and Kansas. You can make the argument Notre Dame expects to win championships. He then went to Kansas and continued to show he couldn’t field a team or lead a team.

    Once again I take nothing away from him as a play caller but personnel decision and talent evaluations thats a no for me big dog.

  43. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    Had to fact check ol’ Charlie Weis’ severance pay over the years as to not sound like I’m simply talking outta me arse. Money Inc headline “Charlie Weis paid 65 million to not do his job”/go away. These were from multiple institutions/organizations. Notre Dame, Florida, Kansas (KU) and the Kansas City Chiefs. My point is he’s a bit of a blowhard/bill of goods peddler.

  44. Defense Rules Says:

    Dirty Bucs … I was thinking a similar thing about QB turnovers when Joe mentioned Matt Cassel in this article. Cassel was a ‘meh’ QB IMO, BUT … he threw relatively few INTs. Played in 108 games in his 14 year career, and only threw 82 INTs. Of course, he was predominately a game manager as opposed to a gunslinger. For instance in that 2010 KC season that Joe mentioned, Cassel threw it 450 times, completing 262 (58.2%) for 3116 yards & 27 TDs (the most in his career), with only 7 INTs. But the Chiefs were primarily a running team (556 rushes for 2,627 yards) … they rushed about 55% of the time & passed 45% of the time.

  45. Bucsfanman Says:

    Tampabaybucfan- Those “misses” are supposed to be long-term starters too, which makes it even more glaring. Now we’re steady searching for the next ‘player X’!
    Simply stated, build the roster, get an effective run-game, play average defense, and cut down on turnovers and this team is a playoff team, IMO.

  46. idiaznet Says:

    Loyaltotheend Section 312 – Brett Farve 2003 21 turn overs and 10-6 record with the Packers.

  47. jerry Says:

    Please let your other issue you HAVE IN YOUR LIFE stay away from judging ball. Winston is probably the most gifted passer in the league. He is a star period. But he is can can be unfocus . Yes he predetermine where he he wants to throw the ball. It does not help his line is very average because looking off recievers with that line can’t happen. No running game . Pace if he can play at a pace whetter fast or slow its in his head. But if you trust him, he will deliver. look at his number and look at his defense. Brees , Brady, Rodgers all have defenses. 25 years old let him be great. check out Peyton interceptions. hating on a qb like him after watching wentz, lones , rivers, colts, rams, raiders, titians, miami, .. you going to draft with number 1 pic from LSU ok he better. ok ok u think that. he 22 now

  48. TexBuc Says:

    Everyone’s OPINIONS count here on this thread, but WILL NOT be factored into the decision to keep Winston next year by BA.

  49. TexBuc Says:

    And enjoy this 3 game winning streak because we have not seen that in a few years. Go for 4 at Detroit!

  50. mickman Says:

    retired Weis? more like loser Charlie without Belicheck he has done noting. So i guess he says he is retired rather than can’t get a real job so, let me say something shocking so i get print….he is a joke and idiot.

  51. tmaxcon Says:

    props joe at least weis is not on life support!!!!!

  52. Pewter power Says:

    Come Joe you know better. I think they should keep him to win games but no way you spot any team points in the playoffs and come out eating W’s

  53. ou812 Says:

    Tampabaybucsfan I see it the other way! We have a inconsistent team with a poor QB . A QB that takes care of the ball makes the whole team more consistent.
    The QB is the leader of the team he set sets the example if he the (QB) is inconsistent the whole team is inconsistent. The QB pos. is more than just a passer he is the leader of the team . No way Tom Brady puts up with wrong routes or missed blocks. You know a team leader ! Not and embarrassment!

  54. Coburn Says:

    Isn’t this basically what many of us have been screaming to the rooftops for a while? It really doesnt matter how phenomenal you are in 6 games.. if you can’t have at least 10 good/great games and then go on a run of a few more in postseason it doesn’t matter. Once you hit playoffs you can’t have a down game

  55. ou812 Says:

    sorry Not an embarrassment . EMBARRASSMENT a word Bucs fans know oh so well

  56. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    5 pick 6’s

  57. AMI_Chris Says:

    Charlie Weis’ opinion is exactly the same as that of just about every commenter on this site. He gets paid for that?

  58. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    ou812 that all sounds nice , but that’s not how football works outside of the TV screen. Jameis throwing an interception and Ryan Smith or VH3 getting burned is completely unrelated. You are saying the inconsistency of the defense is Jameis’ fault, right?
    So the Patriots defense is so good because of Brady?!
    Get out of here!

  59. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Weis knows more about NFL quarterbacks and offense and WINNING more than ANYONE commenting in here.

  60. ou812 Says:

    TexBuc I shared my opinion with my Ticket Rep. Ticket sales WILL BE factored into the decision to keep or not keep #3 .It’s a business first. The decision to keep or not keep #3 is not BA’s call he can only give his opinion. It’s the Glazer’s call.
    How long will they put up with a empty stadium???

  61. Jean Lafitte Says:

    We can talk all day about Jameis but the reality is unless Jameis 1 of 1 (Jason Licht) is fired, he’ll probably sign him to a record breaking long term contract that will hinder the ability to upgrade at other positions.

    If he can’t win next season, we will see a lot of angry and frustrated fans more than ever after 6 seasons under Jameis. Especially when at least 1/3 of the fanbase thought we should have moved on.

  62. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    It’s Empty because of losing not Jameis you fool.

    Does Jameis play for the Chargers?

    Does Jameis play for the Bengals?

    Does Jameis play for the Jaguars? Colts? Redskins?

    It’s LOSING. The late 90s/early 2000s Buc’s fans showed up because we were winning and it’s fun to watch WINNING

  63. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    THAT is why I stopped my season tickets. I didn’t want to spend my hard earned money to get all excited and pumped up, only to leave dejected each and every week at home. It gets exhausting, but that was even before Jameis.

  64. Tim Says:

    ou812 Nailed it.

  65. DalvinCookRules Says:

    I still believe up to 50% of JW’s turnovers are correctable. You need three things:
    1) a receiver like Adam Hymphries who can chop up the short zones (create separation within 10 yds of the LOS)
    2) innovative playcalling that keeps the defense constantly off-balance–as it stands, on certain calls defenders already know when and where the ball is being thrown.
    3) get Winston rolling out of the pocket more. He seems too slow to diagnose certain types of coverages from within the pocket, yet he consistently makes plays with both arm and legs outside the pocket.

    If you can’t get JW corrected, then yes, Weiss is right about him.

  66. ou812 Says:

    Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says The more the ball is given to the other team . Jameis’ fault, right??? The more (the inconsistent defense) is on the field right??????? You get out of here and take #3 with you !!!!!

  67. ColBucFan Says:

    Stats/analysis is fine, but my eyes see this…

    1. JW looks like a bobble head when he trots onto the field.
    2. JW looks like he has palsy in the pocket when the hot route isn’t there.
    3. JW has no idea how to throw the ball away. (Griffin threw it in the dirt like a pro).
    4. JW doesn’t just throw INTs, he throws BAD INTs
    5. JW makes me swear at my TV more than any other player has done.

    Having said that…Buc’s probably sign him.

  68. Tye Says:

    any WINNING coach, Offensive Coordinator, would have made Jw a thing of the past by now.. Bill Belichick, Nick Saban, Bear Bryant, or any respectable winning coach, would not put up with lack of ball security…
    All this – He’ll be a hot commodity talk – we’ll be from other LOSING teams that will quickly dump him and move on…
    Arians career might actually become ruined by hang on to a guy who plays the qb position like a buffoon.. Like a jester or circus clown putting on a show but never accomplish more than laughs..

  69. ou812 Says:

    Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says
    Jameis IS the reason we are losing and you called me a fool??? And yes he is playing for the other team win he throws pick 6s!! FOOL

  70. ou812 Says:


  71. TexBuc Says:

    The Glazers fired Tony Dungy even with a winning record because his offense was too conservative. That tells me that they want an high flying offense so I believe the Winston debate is only BA’s decision to make.

  72. crazyBucs_CL Says:

    @Charlie Weis:
    ” Fire Jameis If You Want To Win”
    I hope somebody is listing, i hope somebody care….. Amen!!

    BA = LovieS 2.0

  73. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Ou812 sorry to trigger you. Watch some real football or better yet maybe get off your mom’s couch and go play some real football. Then maybe you will understand that it is the ultimate TEAM game with 3 phases and the QB only has partial control of one phase.
    You can keep talking and expose just how little you understand football. My guess is the latter.

  74. donuts Says:

    As a Notre Damer, we dont respect Charlie Weis. He pooped all over himself when the bright lights were on as HC. He was a good OC but that was the limit.

    He did beat Hawaii in a bowl game though! lol

  75. TexBuc Says:

    Tampa area fans will show up when the team wins. In the decade of the 2000’s there was a waiting list for tickets because the team was a contender. We are on a 3 game winning streak and we have won 4 out of the last 5 games. We are not in the playoff hunt, but we have a real chance for a winning record for a change and that will count a lot towards next season.

  76. ou812 Says:

    Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:
    I pay for my tickets and go to the games so might have a better read of Fans that go to game . Hard to get that on your couch!

  77. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Cost of standard admission is the same for idiots. Consider yourself lucky ou812

  78. JimmyJack Says:

    Bucs are turning it around led by Winston.

    Get on the bandwagon now while you can still get a good seat.

  79. ou812 Says:

    That High flying offense is 6-7 and BA said it himself he will give his assessment at the end of the year ! His words! So no its’ Glazer’s call! It always is!

  80. Jean Lafitte Says:

    JimmyJack says

    Bucs are turning it around led by Winston.
    after five seasons all of a sudden Jameis gonna turn it around …smdh

  81. TexBuc Says:


    6-7 is better than the last two seasons. With games against the lions, texans, and the falcons we actually have chance to finish 9-7.

  82. ou812 Says:

    Alaskan Abdominal Snowman

    Cost of standard admission is the same for idiots. Consider yourself lucky ou812

    That’s the best you got ? You mental midget!!! You have been eating that yellow snow again?????????

  83. TexBuc Says:

    No owner will veto the QB of the #3 scoring offense in the NFL. As a longtime fan I have seen us move on from other QB’s and it always takes going thru 3-4 before finding another QB.

  84. Brandon Says:

    He’s Brett Favre. Pretty sure he did okay.

  85. 407buc Says:

    Fat Charlie wants to chime in.Worst coach in division 1 history he owes every dollar he ever made to TB12.

  86. TexBuc Says:


    Do you watch any of BA’s press conferences? If you did anyone can tell he likes Winston as his QB just as with Koetter’s Press conferennces you see and hear the dislike from Koetter.

    Relax YOUR opinion nor mine is going to influence anyone at One Buc Place just enjoy the winning streak.

  87. MM71 Says:

    I have not watched a Bucs game since they drafted him. Can’t overlook who he is just because every once in a while he breaks even on mistakes. He’s a trash fire.

  88. tmaxcon Says:


    i would not brag about paying for bucs tickets… you either need better taste in teams or better connections… ticket sales means nothing to owners it’s such a tiny piece of the pie…. your sorry arse opinion means even less

  89. Sailor Jerry Says:

    One of the top offenses in points scored and yards. This team can win with Jameis if we develop some sort of run game and improved pass protection. Thanks Demar but it’s time to retire.

    Better run game, better chance for real play action threat, fewer times to have to force the ball.

  90. jjbucfan Says:

    Fat Charlie made it clear in 2015 he would rather have Mariota than Winston, LOL. So there is that.

  91. View from 132 Says:

    Fair assessment. All of thinking leading a top scoring offense is a ticket to the Hall of Fame, look up who ELSE led high scoring offenses.

    Rich Gannon comes to mind. There is more to the position than just scoring. You have the ball each play – don’t let the other team have it.

  92. JimmyJack Says:

    Haha the Winston haters are losing their fight and they know it. Their posts have become little more then desperate pleas at this point.

    And desperate they are because they can see that Bowles has got this defense starting to hum. They can can this team is ready for success & they know Winston will be a part of it.

    The haters are left melting away with these desperate useless posts.

    Next year this team is going to make a real run. Ray Jay will follow and the bandwagons will be booming. The haters will be left in the dirt muttering a word here and there. Enjoy them now and enjoy them when we win. Use them for what they are worth and for a source of amusement.


  93. tmaxcon Says:

    JimmyJack Says:
    December 10th, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    Haha the Winston haters are losing their fight and they know it. Their posts have become little more then desperate pleas at this point.

    i love watching winston haters meltdown nearly as much as optimists

  94. miken Says:

    @brandon… The Farve comparison is ridiculous. He’s not an HOFer. More like Jay Cutler. I really don’t want to hear from Charlie Weis but that’s a great line…”Sunday, you had that rare games where he tried to do both”. True and if we were playing a good team, we lose, but we are in one of the easiest stretches of games I can remember. Wish we still had to play the saints or Vikes.

  95. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    MM71 Says:
    December 10th, 2019 at 4:10 pm
    I have not watched a Bucs game since they drafted him. Can’t overlook who he is just because every once in a while he breaks even on mistakes. He’s a trash fire

    So you haven’t watched a Buc’s game in 5 years. Yet you still take time to come to a Bucs site and comment? Hmmm…

  96. JimmyJack Says:

    Tax…..Yes I know you love watching us fail……I’m one of the wierdos that actually reads some of your comments

  97. NPRSageBoy Says:

    JayMiss won’t survive in the one and done environment that is the NFL playoffs.

    He’ll always be wildly inconsistent.

    He’s gotta go before this team can seriously compete at the next level.

    Peace, out

  98. JimmyJack Says:

    Actually the Brett Favre comparison is very accurate if you look at decision making process. Both are the only two I can ever recall try and make some of the throws we have seen Winston try. Both could actually make them from time to time too.

    Both had similar arms too.

  99. DB55 Says:

    So Charlie Weis a current Homer Owners Association President thinks you should fire Jameis if you want to win. I agree please please pretty please fire Jameis so HE CAN WIN!

    News flash mr Weis the Bucs have been cellar dwellers for 12 years that 7 straight non playoff season more like 4 win seasons

  100. miken Says:

    Farve with that quick release like Marino and Winston with the realse of Byron Leftwich. Farve winning the MVP in his 4th and 5th year and The Bucs not offering Winston a contract extension in his 4th year. Give me a break. I like #3 and he will be back but you are dreaming and that’s no knock on #3, not many close to Farve.

  101. DB55 Says:

    More like 4 win seasons but wtfdik.

    I suggest if you do fire Jameis you better get yourself the best punter in the nfl bc you’re going to need it. It’s not like you have a running game and a years salary says Godwin nor any other wr outside of possibly Evans is going to be Pro-Bowl caliber with any other qb but again wtfdik

    I do know this, Weis has a career sub 500 winning record so maybe he should stick to ticketing people for overgrown lawns and stfu but wtfdik

  102. DB55 Says:

    the Packers had the NFL’s highest-scoring offense (456) and allowed the fewest points on defense (210). Green Bay was the first team to accomplish both feats in the same season since the undefeated 1972 Miami Dolphins. They finished the season with the number one ranked offense, defense, and special teams. They also set a then NFL record for the fewest touchdowns allowed in a 16-game season, with 19.

  103. Anonymous Says:

    Too inconsistent to win in the playoffs Joe asks?

    Winston is too inconsistent to GET to the playoffs. He will never beat the Panthers and Saints (four games a year right there) with Winston throwing multiple picks per game as a norm. We don’t even have to talk about beating teams like SF, HOU, CHI, KC, SEA, PHI and others in doing that. The Bucs will never be better than 7-9 to 9-7 with Winston. The best you can hope for is to break even. Move on!

  104. ou812 Says:

    i would not brag about paying for bucs tickets.

    Spoken like a true NON Bucsfan!!! The duma$$ runs deep in this one!!!
    What sec do you sit in? I will buy you a beer oh that’s right your are not there to busy answering the phone for Jameis 1@1

  105. JimmyJack Says:

    Miken I should have explained better. Similar arms meaning arm strenght. Both players throw heaters over the middle and put a lot of mustard on the ball.

    All that release stuff is for the film junkies. Release aren’t my thing. I don’t study that.

    Them accolades don’t impress me. And I know I will break some hearts here because Farve was sold as the poster child of what a NFL player should be and created dreams for many but I never liked Brett Favre. I didn’t never thought he was so great like they told us he was.

    And yeah I know most will disagree but I seen him in all them playoff runs and simply couldn’t get the job done except that one time…..And of course you gotta know why he couldn’t get the job done……you guessed it…….Multi pick games(true story look it up)…..And not just any ol picks. Them real dumb picks that both he and Winston are famous for that make you think……WTF dude?

    But of course I love Winston more only cause he’s a Buc. But if I gotta be honest I see him having the same fate as Favre……Once he get a legit team behind him(starting 2020)…..Hell be a great QB that will get his team there…..But them pesky multi pick games will break our hearts…….And yeah I’ll take it if he can put together one postseason run like Favre did that one time where he puts it all together and don’t make them mistakes for 3 games and brings home some hardware…….Or maybe Winston will one up Favre, or better.

    But yeah they the same when you look at decision making and gun-slinging mentality. Or dang close for sure.

    ***END RANT***

  106. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Favre won 3 MVPs in a row which was amazing but he had a solid team around him. You don’t win MVPs unless your TEAM is winning.
    I bet Jameis would have many more wins if his defense was ranked fourth, first, and fifth in consecutive years like Favre’s did. Not saying he wins MVP
    but comparing accolades of these two is dumb anyway because they are in different circumstances.
    I get what JimmyJack is saying, they are both players that take risks and throw terrrible interceptions. They are also both QBs who can make incredible throws that few dare to even try. The big difference to me is JW work ethic. Favre did not have that, Favre just kind of wung it in an era where you could get away with that.

  107. down in the dirt doug Says:

    BA will want Jameis to stay because he still feels that Jameis will continue to improve.The real question —will Licht come up with a contract for Jameis that allows us to keep our quality players and will Jameis accept a Bucs friendly contract.

  108. TexBuc Says:


    I could not have said it better

  109. mark2001 Says:

    Just what I’ve been saying…Jameis can win some games…but winning a championship means stringing a bunch of good games together. And Jameis has yet to prove that he can do that. I wish he would..but after all these games, I’m not sure he is capable of that.

  110. Carolina Buc Says:

    Can you imagine the heart palpitations Buc Nation would collectively have if we were lucky enough to make it to the playoffs with Jameis? I’d be dead by the second quarter, after the second pick six. He ‘s just too inconsistent. And I don’t put too much stock in his numbers; he has to throw all game every game in an effort to catch up because of how far he’s always putting the team behind the eight ball with his bone-head decisions. That’s why we never have a running game as well – can’t stay with it playing catch up all of the time.

    I’m with Charlie – time to move on. I hate to see all of these young, no-name QBs come into the league and not make as many mistakes as JW. It’s embarrassing at this point.

  111. Buccfan37 Says:

    Winston can throw another dozen picks to finish the season yet he will still be back as Bucs QB. BA and JL special.

  112. Jeff Says:

    Jameis is getting better

    The QB’s available are not better options

    Play calling will make Jamis successful

    Jameis is 25 years old.

    Bucs lock up Jameis for 5 years. $125 million. $65 guaranteed.

  113. Bobby Says:

    Don’t believe Weis, once a Belcheat coach, always one. Imagine if the Bucs let him walk and the Pats move Brady in a deal. Then Pats swoop in and sign Jamis as there next stud QB for the next 10 years.

  114. passthebuc Says:

    I would keep JW @15m p/y. I would use my draft picks to bolster the D and O lines and depth. I would also employe a hypnotist full time. If JW is not willing to do 15M p/y for a 5-year contract, I would let him test the free market or offer him 20M for 1 year.

  115. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Dude is gonna get 25-28M/ yr. Sorry to break it to y’all. That’s just the going rate.
    If the Bucs want Jameis back, he can negotiate off of the 27M franchise tag that he could force them to use.

  116. JimmyJack Says:

    Hey at least with a gunslinger QB like Winston or with Favre you always gonna have a chance to win. The worst IMO is when you got one of them choke artist QBs who just can’t handle the pressure. Then you really don’t have much of a chance. If this week’s game taught me anything is that Winston would never fold.

    Then again choker Peyton Manning found some real luck and backed into two titles so ya just never know……That’s sports.

    So yes I think both Farve and Manning are highly overrated and neither on my Top 25 of all time list…..haha just be gentle in your disagreement. I’m sensitive

  117. Skip Says:

    what has Weiss accomplished without Belichick and Brady?

  118. Pugs&Bucs Says:

    “I think Jameis can play in this league, but he’s shown, despite his top-line ability, to be too inconsistent to count on winning 10 games or more.”

    How many times has JW walked off the field with the lead, or needing the D to get a stop, or turning it over the kicker to win it and LOST?

    Two this season alone, and I can think of 4-5 LAST year. Gay makes the kick vs the Giants and the D stops Seattle, you’re at 10 wins and in the thick of the playoffs.

  119. JimmyJack Says:

    Passthebuc……Why not just be realistic. Just easier to say you don’t wanna resign Winston.

    A one year deal is called a franchise tag. Those cost more then 20M.
    15M is what it costs to sign a starting Guard or maybe a Safety. Starting QBs cost more…….Either way if you don’t sign Winston you gonna need to bring in a starter and it’s gonna cost over 20….Eli, Dalton, whoever.

    Personally I never understand why fans get so hung up on money. Our opinions don’t change the market…..But dang, if you gonna play make pretend GM can’t at least come up with numbers that make reasonable sense?

  120. Buccaneerscotty Says:

    10-4 Ben you said it all…

  121. TexBuc Says:

    Winston is FREE AGENT after this season unless we reach agreement meaning BOTH side agree on a contract or we use the Franchise Tag. So to all you Winston haters who keep say offer him $…. somebody will if we don’t.

  122. JimmyJack Says:

    There is one way only you can sign Winston for these wierdo discount rates that some fans are talking about.

    That’s if you sign him to compete with another QB for a job….probably with a rookie(similar to the deal Mike Glennon got)…….Of course there is a huge big problem with a deal like that. That’s cause Winston ain’t signing that contract without testing the market…..Not just for the money but also for the competitor in Winston that he will take a true starters job if another team gives it to him.

    So if you let him test free agency there’s no guarantee that he ever comes back to sign a backup contract with a chance to win a starter job……More likely someone like Gruden gives him a job…..or maybe Washington does or a slew of other teams. That’s why spitting some made up figure like 15M is unrealistic……In the NFL it doesn’t matter what you, the fan, think he worth…….If you want him you gotta pay him what he’s actually worth….Which is what another team would be willing to pay him.

    So if you don’t want Winston at the going rate just say it straight up. No need for nonsense

  123. BrianBucs Says:

    Stats are for losers and don’t win games.
    It doesn’t matter how many yards you have if you keep giving your opponent points off of turnovers. Can’t win that way.
    Winston has had some big games against bad team’s that give up a lot of yards and points. But if you are going to be a continual playoff contender you also have to beat the Good teams. And Winston’s inconsistent play and continual turnovers will prevent that.
    I agree with Wies that Bucs need to move on.

  124. Bucs45 Says:

    Sounds like someone who looked at the W-L record and took nothing else into consideration… Just like most the ignorant commenters on this here part of the interwebs

  125. Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:

    Despite what anyone says or thinks, Jameis will be our QB next year.
    We will draft at least one stud O Lineman, who will both protect Jameis, and help our running game.
    Imagine Jameis with better protection, and a running game too.

  126. Not a blind bucs fan Says:

    There is a short peice the NFL network did on comparing Winston vs peyton.Almost identical numbers.I see winston getting comfortable in this New system.80 something yards were made by Buccaneers other than winston and the receivers.Complaing after a win isn’t classy

  127. Rod Munch Says:

    Get a load of fatso.

    Anywho Weis, do the world a favor and choke on a hot dog.

  128. T REX Says:

    What interesting is Weiss has no dog in this game. That’s just an honest observation. Nothing more. The Winston knob gobblers lose their minds when anyone says anything bad about their pin up boy QB.

    SAD, you losers are freaking sad. There will be NO ONE in RJS next year to see all of JW’s picks.

    This franchise is dead.

  129. DJ Shotgunn Says:

    He’s automatically disqualified to speak on it…. He spent 3 yrs with a cheating franchise who apparently hasn’t learned their lesson at all….

  130. July Joe Says:

    Multiple teams sure FIRED Charlie Weis because they wanted to win …

    BRETT FAVRE came out today and praised Jameis like crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!

  131. orlbucfan Says:

    Well, Belicheat is at it again: cheating! And who in their right mind would tape the Bengals??? Cincy is having one sorry azzed season. Weis can shove it where the sun don’t shine!