Time To Hire A Defensive Backs Consultant

November 18th, 2019

It’s time to put the egos aside at One Buc Palace.

It’s time to recognize an obvious failure and to address it with every resource at the team’s disposal. Immediately.

The Buccaneers defensive backs situation is a mess.

Team Glazer knows it. Every thinking Bucs fan knows it. NFL offensive coordinators are acutely aware, as are backup quarterbacks and good fantasy football players.

Without diving deep into the ineptitude of the 2017 and 2018 Bucs defensive backs for a moment (yeah, it’s hard, but try), it’s obvious Jason Licht’s staff is far below average when it comes to picking players for a secondary. Facts are facts.

And now we’ve learned that after assessing the Bucs secondary needs this offseason, the Arians-Bowles combo was as off the mark as Licht’s crew. Facts are facts.

Staying in the present, every thinking Bucs fan knows Todd Bowles, Bruce Arians and Licht had strong hands (perhaps equal influence) in forging the decisions that led to stocking the Tampa Bay secondary with talent this season. And they screwed up royally.

Now what?

Bucs officials can pretend (and that includes you, Team Glazer) they are good at this aspect of their jobs, or they can find quality guidance and help now.

What’s another body on the staffs of Arians and Licht? Get defensive backs gurus in the house immediately to help sort things out before the Bucs try to upgrade at safety and corner before next season.

Either get help or ignore the reality. Hopefully, the Bucs choose the former.

The three Saints cornerbacks who stifled the dangerous Bucs receivers yesterday? Two were acquired with fourth-round picks and one was a third-rounder. The safeties were both second-round picks. Of those five defensive backs, New Orleans drafted four and traded a fourth- and a seventh-rounder for the other.

And they got the job done while Pro Bowl cornerback Marshon Lattimore, another drafted corner, sat on the bench.

In past years, Joe has called for the Bucs to hire consultants to fix problem areas. This is nothing new. Joe first started pounding that drum when Raheem Morris’ teams started slowly nearly every week and then played markedly better in the second halves of games.

What’s it going to be Licht, Arians, Team Glazer?

Status woe or aggressively addressing a weakness.

61 Responses to “Time To Hire A Defensive Backs Consultant”

  1. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:




    This stupid staff is already filled to the max with idiots……now they need consultants? The Glazers need to hire Goldman Sachs to find a new ownership group for this team……


  3. D-Rome Says:

    The team doesn’t need a consultant. They need a new GM and if the head coach doesn’t like it he can retire in Georgia with his wife. Together they can spend holidays and vacations with the grandchildren while getting a fat check every two weeks from the Buccaneers.

  4. Mort Says:

    Pretty sure Barber is in Jason’s ear dude. And Barber likely is a small factor in the problem.–Joe

  5. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    LOL…Basic Training analogy
    Recruit at the rifle range is having a hard time hitting the target
    Solution …give him more ammunition
    Think you’ve missed the point. Can only deal with what’s on the plate, and the guys in charge are poor at the defensive backs game. Somebody admit it and try to fix it instead of sitting around hoping. –Joe

  6. Deez days Says:

    As is every offseason the Bucs need to clean house … keep cleaning house until we get the right sh&t in the building….hopefully Arians retires again so we don’t have to pay him … I don’t know anymore … this franchise is a complete mess

  7. The Buc Realist Says:

    If you need a “consultant” or a “team president” then you just have the wrong GM!!!!!!!!!!! Or wrong head coach that has the juice like loser lovie!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    But the “real” fans have told the local media and sheep this for years!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. Rayjay1122 Says:

    We need to replace Jason Licht with Derrick Brooks and let him hire a coach and start the final rebuild back to contender status. Simple as that.

  9. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    Man you know we actually had a good CB that we sat on the bench all game so we can play zone coverage against Drew Brees. either we are trying to tank or Arians has lost it and they have no idea what they are doing.

  10. DBS Says:

    Brooks did enough damage to the Storm. We have enough problems now.

  11. chris L Says:

    what about quarterback coaches? that has turned out great so far.

  12. DB55 Says:

    Well they hired Tom Moore arguably the best in the business and the offense sans stats still sucks. It all starts up front imo.

    Warning: Cincinnati fans were tired of just getting to the playoffs each year so they fired Marvin Lewis bc, you know, the next guy could do better. Today they are staring at at winless season. So yea about that new guy stuff…..

  13. Snook Says:

    A consultant? Really, Joe?
    They did this with Tom Moore for the offense in training camp and into the off-season and you basically wrote it off as a meaningless move.
    Never did any such thing. Only noted that it felt like too many cooks in the kitchen, with Arians and OC and a QB coach.–Joe

  14. NOLES Says:

    Bowles is a DB by trade & DC…. WHY can’t he fix the DB’s 🤔🤭

  15. JustBucNwin Says:

    Another staff hire? C’mon…coaches coach so in the words of the Great Bill B….DO YOUR JOB!!

  16. Kobe Faker Says:

    “Glazer boyband wants to fire Arians but dont want to pay the rest of the 3 year contract,

    Arians wants to quit but still wants to get paid for the rest of the 3 year contract,

    So here Kobe sits”

    Kobe Faker

  17. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Perhaps BA can petition the NFL to allow for 12 men on defense until they are deemed able to take the training wheels off

  18. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    I really ..really miss Steve Duemig right about now………

  19. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    This franchise needs either a competent director of football ops a competnet preisdent or GM and then build a winning franchise by not passign on franchise LT, or a franchise RB in d cook or a franchise edge rusher in josh allen. do not drafta kicker in round 2 or blow an entire draft or not sign one competent FA

  20. BrooksvilleDWB2019 Says:

    Why not just hire a one-for-one coach for each player on the roster and practice squad – we’ve certainly seen the advantage of the largest staff in the NFL. Obviously having all rookies and 2 year players isn’t helping and generally a DB takes 2-3 years to develop. Obviously 1-2 free agents may help; however, how effective are the Bucs in paying big bucks for FAs who come to get fat and enjoy the sun and lack of taxes? Maybe we need to sign a mid-range DB at every secondary position, draft a couple in the mid-rounds, make the kids watch tape until their eyes bug out and go from there.

  21. Pewter power Says:

    Lol I know the bucs suck but I can only imagine how often they are laughing at you guys sometimes. A defensive consultant for the biggest coaching staff in the nfl? They are not first round picks for a reason and the learning curve will not change this year. What is more coaching gonna solve honestly, they will get roasted week after week that is how they will learn. Winston has his consultant how has that worked out so far?

  22. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Jason Licht’s 5 year contract extension says it all…..no consultant’s necessary….they are happy with Jason…..

    Maybe, just maybe the Saint’s CBs had an easier time with Jameis than ours did with Brees….

    Seems to me, their pass rush was at least slightly better than ours.

  23. unbelievable Says:

    Yes, we’re just a few more coaches away….


  24. Nick2 Says:

    Last time they played the Saints they went man to man and got burned big time. Sometime between that game and yesterday they switched to zone but that didn’t work because they could not communicate it effectively. So after Jameel Dean reinvents himself and gets a game ball he gets benched because they want to go back to zone????????? Are you kidding me???? Jameel Dean who I now consider our best DB stays on the bench for whatever reason is a crime and a dying shame. I was soooo pumped up that we would have Carlton Davis and Jameel Dean as our starting corners (the starting corners after the draft that I thought we would have) and might have a chance against Brees who now cant throw over 30 yards but they outsmarted themselves again!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  25. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Dump Licht and Arians. This offensive scheme does not fit the abilities of our players. The offensive line is getting decimated trying to hold blocks for long developing plays, plus Jameis’s accuracy is waning at less than 60% completion rate, worst in the league. Why Arians and Leftwich can’t see this is beyond me. Yes, it does produce lot’s of yards when it does work, but when you hit only 50% 0f those targets it defeats the purpose of controlling the clock and keeping your struggling defense off the field. Too many misses to keep drives alive. It’s like Jameis is constantly looking for the homerun ball and forces it instead of taking what the defense gives him. It’s too volatile and is easily defended with a cover 2 scheme. Jameis is not smart enough to exploit some defensive alignments and cover 2 seems to be his achilles heel. Defensive Coordinators know this and find ways to induce more mistakes with quite a bit of success.

  26. TampaTown Says:

    Licht and Leftwich have to go

  27. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    John McKay WITHOUT free agency took the Bucs to the NFC Championship game in his 4th year ….starting from scratch !

  28. miken Says:

    We are just a consultant away from winning! Thank goodness we didn’t bring back Gruden

  29. DB55 Says:


    Wins the thread

  30. Frank Pillow Says:

    Someone above flagged it…putting Dean on the shelf (absent injury or discipline) was downright stupid. Just as the kid is starting to come around and learn how to be a pro (all the press last week about watching film with Bowles) and showing up big-time last week, its decided that Edwards should move into the slot (WTF?) and Dean should spend the bulk of his afternoon watching everyone else get torched from the comfort of the sideline. Dean, Edwards, Whitehead, Murphy-Bunting, Davis ALL need to be out there learning the ropes together, developing. Joes, get after this one hard–the old he didn’t play b/c “its the scheme” hogwash is damn near a terminable act….if this secondary is going to be damned, let it be damned for playing a bunch of rookies in press/man…not switching schemes, assignments, positions, style in a futile attempt to fool a 40 yr old QB who has seen it all.

    This regime needs to go.

  31. Jim Says:

    They’re “totally fixed”, Bruce said so…

  32. JimmyJack Says:

    DBs were not a huge issue yesterday……They maybe would of been if they had been targeted more but Peyton attacked us right over the middle of the field and out of the backfield all day.

    Our LBs got exposed in coverage yesterday more then anything. Even much of Michael Thomas yards came from LB mismatches.

    Poor coverage from our LBs gets overlooked year after year.

    To say we need a consultant right now is basically calling Dean and all the other young players busts…….Granted that could be true but still too early for me to throw my ring in that hat.

    We should learn more next week against another live arm in Matt Ryan and a offense(we all know) that loves to attack the sideline. That game should tell us more then yesterdays about the secondary.

  33. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong but I think Edwards’ sack was the first from one of our DBs after 9 games…….what’s up with that?…….All the blitzes, so little results.

    I do think we are seeing some progress from SMB & Davis…..Dean needs to play.

  34. soggy Says:

    we could just hire a bar tender and get drunk and forget about it.. oh ya

  35. Pete I Says:


    2 coaches for every player…

    And now they need a consultant?

    24-40 and 98 turnovers…

  36. crazyBucs_CL Says:

    @Tampabaybucfan Says:
    “Jason Licht’s 5 year contract extension says it all…..no consultant’s necessary….they are happy with Jason…..”
    this should be in our heads…. and stop fantasizing about this team…. we not going to have a competitive team period. This is the cold fact.
    Now, you want to lie to yourself…. come to this blog, or other and feel good of bla bla blaing….. that’s fine, but no one is going to listen your complains… sooo you want to do something??? cut your season ticket…let them know you got enough with this crap…

    BA = LovieS 2.0

  37. Allbuccedup Says:

    This is the largest staff in the nfl. Winston has every body and his brother instructed him and hes as bad as ever. What this team is a GM with a brain and a head coach with heart and speaks the truth not a bunch of BS and excuses.

  38. pelbuc Says:

    Wow, so now the professional coaches hand picked by BA need a consultant to add to the bloated staff. Only in Tampa! Why cant the Glazers hire a regular fan who can give them more valuable information and insight than the overpriced experts leading a 4-12 season. Here’s a suggestion: 1) Fire Light immediately 2) Fire Leftwich asap and make BA call the plays (as he was originally hired to do), 3) Fire Bowles asap. 4) If BA tries to have a successor coach, make him retire and void the remaining 4 yrs of his contract. If BA refuses any of the above, fire him after the last game this year. Trade JW, OJ, and Donovan Smith and have the new GM draft Oline, Dline, RB. Draft Jake Fromm and sign a veteran QB.

  39. NPRSageBoy Says:

    Forget the consultants. Just get some NFL players for a change, not UPS drivers masquerading as viable NFL safeties and CBs

    After that, find a bonafide NFL QB, not some wannabe troublemaker like Kapernick.

    Oh, and release JayMiss ASAP.

    Peace, out

  40. Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:

    We best get the problem fixed, and soon. We play Atlanta, and 2 ex head coaches next week, Dirk Koetter, and Raheem Morris.

  41. SCBucsFan Says:

    We don’t need more coaches. We need better players.

  42. Mike Johnson Says:

    We have the biggest coaching staff already in the entire NFl. Go ahead, a couple more coaches won’t hurt. Add in another excuse writer also. We seem to be getting pretty good at that.

  43. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    AlteredEgo Says:
    “I really ..really miss Steve Duemig right about now………”
    Can you imagine what he would have to say about the “consultants” thing, on a team with 712 coaches? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Yes, Duemig would say, “Get the damn thing right. I don’t care what it takes.” If they’re not going to blow it up, then attack the weakness now.–Joe

  44. unbelievable Says:

    Thanks DB.

    At least after the sting of yet another loss wears off, the Bucs provide us with some comic relief.

  45. CChead Says:

    Why don’t they just hire a new GM and blow up the scouting department that has sucked for many many years. This organization is a f*cking disaster.

  46. Defense Rules Says:

    @Joe … “The Buccaneers defensive backs situation is a mess.” Actually Joe, they were getting better, I thought. Why they kept Dean off the field and inserted Edwards at nickel boggles my mind. Neither Jamel Dean nor Ryan Smith saw a single defensive snap, and yet both suited up. That change/decision is one aspect of the mess. –Joe

    Yesterday Drew Brees threw a total of 35 passes and completed 28 for 228 yards & 3 TDs. Bucs’ defenders got credit for a grand total of TWO passes defenses … 1 by SMB & 1 by Davis. Brees threw 10 passes to Kamara, who caught all 10 for 47 yards (they were all short obviously). Looks like White made 4 tackles on those catches, Edwards made 2 & and 4 others (including JPP & Suh) made 1 each. IOW Kamara was all over the field & we apparently didn’t adjust very well.

    Once again, we seem unable to defend the short pass. Why? Brees was primarily throwing to Kamara (10) and Thomas (11), with just a smattering to Ginn (4), Murray (3), and & passes to 5 others. Brees’ 3 longest completions added up to 88 yards, meaning that 25 completions totaled 140 yards … 5.6 YPC. I flat don’t understand why we can’t defend short passes like that. It just seems absurd to me.

  47. Jmarkbuc Says:



  48. Bucs Fan Since ‘76 Says:

    Joe – you’re advocating a band-aid for what is a critical wound. What Joe is advocating for is for the team to do its very best today. Right now. –Joe

    The franchise has no governing philosophy. What is a prototypical Buc player? Can anyone here or at One Buc describe that player? Our CEO is Jason Licht. He may be a really nice guy but is he a qualified CEO for a billion dollar organization? Of course not.

    The Bucs need to clean house and the Glazers need to step away from making any decisions regarding the football side of the business and hire someone who can actually build a winning organization.

    The Bucs are headed toward getting rid of another coach, if he doesn’t quit first, and another GM. It’s inevitable and we all know it. But who here trusts the Glazers o get it right next time? Not me.

  49. I’m a Tandyman used to be Bucs Fan Says:

    Done told you the answer!! Call Tandy, if Lycht doesn’t think he’s good enough to play, which he proved in 2016, much more competent than the crew Lycht has in here now!! Then hire him to be that consultant!! Very smart guy that has a gift for teaching and showing the ways to be successful in Football , especially Secondary Play!! Plus bench Jay Miss!! He’s not going to change, hasn’t in 5 years!

  50. ElioT Says:

    Time to say goodbye to the worst GM in the NFL and his whole personnel department including Quarels.

    This idiot’s drafting has set this team back at least another five years.

    Three “decent” picks in the trenches in the past six drafts with premium picks.

    Tons of DBs that cant get the job done.

    Vea is all we have on the D-Line/OLBs other than a bunch of mercenaries that most likely don’t want to come back unless they’re wildly overpaid.

    Gotta did the secondary AGAIN and get Vea more help.

    It’s so insane that Licht has a job.

    This team is as they say “totally screwed”.

  51. ElioT Says:

    *gotta fix

  52. martinii Says:

    What good does a consultant do? When all else fails has beens become consultants. This is not rocket science, watch tape of teams with strong DB’s, go draft or buy a few, then show them the Tape. Rhonde didn’t need one, Lynch didn’t need one, (Ronnie Lott didn’t need one. Champ Bailey, Darrell Green, Deion Sanders, Mel Blount didn’t need one.) Consultants don’t male tackles, interceptions, or cause fumbles.

  53. Buczilla Says:

    If we as fans must endure Licht for at least 2020 (likely) then I am fine with adding more folks to teach him how to draft or sign db’s. My hope is that Licht and every single scout on the team is long gone by the 2020 draft. It’s hard to look forward to the future when the people guiding it make mistake after mistake. I’m sure they are all nice people, but right now they are failing miserably at their jobs.

  54. Bucamania Says:

    The Glazers need an ownership consultant.

  55. Papa Bwucy Bwuce Says:

    I don’t even want to draft Jeffrey Okudah but “Trash” Licht told me if I came to Tampa, I had to let him draft Secondary players every yr in the 1 st round until The Glazers wake up and fire us both and I go back to fishing in GA..

  56. Jimmy Says:

    No, it’s time to fire Licht. And if that means fire Bruce, so be it.

  57. Clw JB Says:

    Not like Bowles wasn’t a DB in the NFL and was touted to the fanbase as a D guru

    Guru as in Mike Smith produced the same hot garbage D we have today…

    It’s a Bucs life, this franchise sucks the life out of every coach we have ever had, even the bad ones…

  58. onetrickpony Says:

    CChead Says:
    November 18th, 2019 at 4:00 pm
    Why don’t they just hire a new GM and blow up the scouting department that has sucked for many many years.


  59. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    With Licht Weight “buying the groceries”…no “chef” could make chicken salad outta chicken shat.

  60. ou812 Says:

    What ? Cutting VHIII didn’t fix the secondary??? How about a New Qb let’s give that try!!!

  61. TallyK Says:

    For years the Saints didn’t have the defense to match the offense. Now they finally have one. It takes more than one season to fix it. And enough with the Arians is old talk. Belichek and Saban are the same age.