Red Zone Offense Clicking

November 12th, 2019

Green light in red zone.

It frosts Joe that one area of the team dragging the Bucs down consistently was not addressed until it was too late.

But enough of the griping about the secondary (for today). Joe is here to celebrate the red zone.

The Bucs are third in the NFL in points scored per game. And Joe has a hunch that has something to do with red zone success. Yes, the Bucs are having success in the red zone.

Per the good people of NFL Films compiling data for BSPN’s NFL Matchup, the Bucs are No. 8 in the red zone in scoring touchdowns. That’s a jump from last year when the Bucs finished in the middle of the pack.

Scoring points and scoring touchdowns in the red zone is just evidence that Bucs’ offense is getting the job done this year, despite the fetish for forcing passes to Breshad Perriman, Scotty Miller and trying to hide O.J. Howard and Cam Brate.

Imagine what this offense would be if Bucs offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich made a concerted effort to get the ball to Brate and Howard, and forget about the two stiffs on the outside?

But yeah, let’s get rid of the quarterback, you know, because Andy Dalton.

101 Responses to “Red Zone Offense Clicking”

  1. Lamarcus Says:

    Jw is just soooo good. Can we sign him?

  2. Eric Says:

    JW has 17 td passes ranking 7th in the league. Tied with Rodgers. Four ahead of Brady. Six behind league leader Russell.

    Offense is clicking. So let’s not jettison the QB!

  3. SteelStudBuc Says:

    How many points allowed off JW turnovers?
    That’s the stat I wanna see.

  4. miken Says:

    We have the same # of offensive tds thru 9 games as we did last year thru 9 games.

  5. Alanbucsfan Says:

    They are 3-6 because of secondary, Leftwich, Gay missed a kick, running game,
    Suh isn’t productive enough, … but Jameis turnovers? -he could have 50 and …man look at those yards and red zone efficiency!!

  6. fernando diaz Says:

    Eric I agree with you 100%
    This is the first time he has a coach on his ass.
    wait and see.

  7. 813bucboi Says:



    GO BUCS!!!!!

  8. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    You know Joe you keep talking about how bad Andy Dalton is. But you also don’t mention how bad his offense is. We have two top 5 WR’s a, really good tight end a pretty good tight end, and an above average-above average offensive line. Dalton has none of that.

  9. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Jw has 18 to’s ranking him dead last in the league. Not tied with anyone. One ahead of rookie Daniel Jones. Fifteen more than league leader Russell

    Offense can’t get out of it’s own way. So let’s keep stabbing ourselves in the eye.

  10. Dapostman Says:

    Have you noticed how easy other teams have it when scoring on the Bucs D and how hard it is for the Bucs to score? Winston & Co have to work hard vs easy TD’s giving up by my favorite pillow pass defense.

  11. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Clicking like a starter on the fritz….

  12. Troy Says:

    AH JEM (the Jay-Miss Excuse Machine) is out again! How many pick 6’s has JW thrown this year. How many turnovers? Just think how much better this team would be with a QB who could actually make good decisions with the ball?

  13. Unimpressed Says:

    I’ll take a hard pass on continuing the J-Miss wINTSon experience of turning the ball over more than any other QB in the league, thanks. What this really tells me is that there is a lot of potential for our offense with the weapons we have, but they’re being held back by a quarterback who can’t stop giving the ball away.

  14. Joe Says:

    Could just picture Altered Ego at a Bucs game. When the crowd around him Sunday was on its feet cheering as Jameis and the Bucs march to the end zone to take the lead as time winds down, Altered Ego, with tears running down his face, sits in his seat and shrieks “HE THREW A PICK IN THE FIRST QUARTER!!!” barely audible between wails.

  15. DB55 Says:



  16. Sharthappens Says:

    Hey Joe. Could you imagine what this offense would be like if we didn’t lead the league in turnovers. Better yet what would our record be? Even better… Could you imagine how much better offense would be if our quarterback threw a deep ball with any type of success? Speaking of balls: grow a pair and ask the mighty Bruce Arians why his quarterback cannot comeComplete a deep ball

  17. Jean Lafitte Says:

    That’s funny Joe. When Jameis threw that first pick I melted into the nether regions of my brown leather recliner with my wife saying “I don’t know why you punish yourself with those losers?” Oh! …for the love of GOD. We can’t keep spinning our wheels. It’s either sh|t or get off the pot.

  18. TexBuc Says:

    Seems many of forgotten how rare it was to have a top 10 offense before Winston.

  19. Eric Says:

    49ers qb had three turnovers giving 21 pts to seattle.

    Russell Wilson had a fumble returned for six, and three an awful INT when his team had the game in the palm of their hand.

    Jameis plays a close risky game. Like the pass to Hooward. The brilliant strike for 49 yards to Godiwin which set up the winning score. He scrambled extremely well. He was also running for dear life nearly every time he dropped back.

    Luckily Arians understands all this and isn’t looking at Jameis with hate covered glasses like the rest of you goons.

  20. JimmyJack Says:

    Haha Joe why are you rubbing your readers noses in the Andy Dalton angle daily?

    I see you provide a link. Maybe you should click on it and refresh you memory because that story comes from some yuppy in Califorina. Nobody in Tampa Bay is talking about Dalton…….Except you actually.

    You crack me up bro.

  21. tmaxcon Says:

    SteelStudBuc Says:
    November 12th, 2019 at 4:15 pm

    How many points allowed off JW turnovers?
    That’s the stat I wanna see.

    JOE….. Get one of your interns on that will you…. I am too lazy for math like that but it would be a good number. get on it

  22. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    One thing the winston defense force or winston apologists never bring up. He has two top 5 WR’s to throw to and he still turns it over this much and throws wonky inaccurate passes.

  23. tmaxcon Says:

    i am willing to bet a top shelf shot and a lap dance that vh3bust gave up more points than Americas Quarterback turnovers led to.

  24. tmaxcon Says:


    you can turn that around to the hillbilly haters too… how does such a crappy qb have 2 receivers in the top 10…. it takes two my friend…..

  25. Eric Says:

    Or they have teo top five wide receivers BECAUSE of Jameis Winston.

  26. Bucnjim5656 Says:

    We need to talk about red zone Deficency. How many pick sixes have we given up and how many times have we turned the ball over giving the opposing team the ball in the red zone? If you are looking for real answers check out football outsiders or you can CHERRY pick to prove YOUR point.

  27. ben Says:

    Joe is in love but doesn’t Winston lead the league in turnovers and fumbles? Why is Winston rated towards the bottom in nfl qb rating ,even way below Fitz?What could a more accurate qb do with the weapons on offense ?

  28. JimmyJack Says:

    Don’t know the stats but it sure looks like we are getting a lot more rushing TDs this year.

    That combined with our screen game(which still looks like a work in progress often) gives defenders a lot more to think about.

    Seem to remember the last few year being a poor red zone team. As much heat as Byron gets around here he should get credit where it’s due.

    I see Byron’s name in the article……but only for more critism. I’m throwing a flag on Joe here “illegal procedure”

  29. doctor_berto Says:

    All these Winston haters need to ask themselves who would be better at QB for the Bucs? News flash, Bucs are not going to have a chance at Burrow, Tua or even Herbert.

  30. Cgmaster27 Says:

    Tell em joe. Theyre miserable no matter what he does. Its the same regurgitated high school comments. Highest scoring offense we’ve had in years, redzone looking good, but yeah lets pick up a rookie and or andy dalton to please the dolts.

  31. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    >Winston and Godwin are top 5 because of Jameis Winston

    Whew what a statement. It’s a miracle they both are as good as they are catching Winston’s inaccurate passes. Also why can winston not hit anything aside from those two and on occasion Brate and Howard. If one or the two of them left We would see him get much much worse.

  32. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Eric you’re using the microcosm of one game. It’s not about just one game. It’s about a history of games, and Winston for all his glory hurts his teams chances of decisive wins.

    Almost every game it’s Jameis vs. Jameis.

  33. Kansas95Buc Says:

    man that was the best comment this year lmao

  34. Snook Says:

    Bears are right behind us. That must mean Mitch T is a keeper in Chicago.

    Geez Joe… Really?

  35. Ricky Says:

    Not a big fan of Winston but go check the top 3 qb for passing yard this season so far.

  36. Jean Lafitte Says:

    who would be better at QB for the Bucs?

    Oh I don’t know? ..let’s start with Teddy Bridgewater, or how bout Cam Newton, Carolina may be ready to move on. Ryan Tannehill, or maybe Alex Smith. Bet any of them would thrive in this offense.

  37. ClodHopper Says:

    This so why Jameis is so damn frustrating!! He gives the lovers and the haters good arguments at the same time.

  38. Jason Says:

    Who would you get rid of?

    Touchdowns 138 Interceptions 100

    Touchdowns 108 Interceptions 66

    Touchdowns 105 Interceptions 72

  39. TexBuc Says:

    Cam Newton had youth once that him good, but like a RB over 30 yrs has lost a step and never was a good pocket passer. Do you really think Saints are going to let Teddy walk? Titans gave up on MM an now HAVE Tannehill why would they let him walk? Alex Smith may never play again.

  40. DB55 Says:

    SteelStudBuc Says:
    November 12th, 2019 at 4:15 pm
    How many points allowed off JW turnovers?
    That’s the stat I wanna see
    58 points off of Turnovers
    7 ppg

    14 vs Niners
    17 vs Carolina
    14 vs Tenn
    That’s 45 alone in 3 games.

    Seems like JW has scored on every turnover the Bucs defense has created but that’s not verified just casual observation.

    6-3 or 5-4 still looks like more realistic record at this point in the season.

  41. TexBuc Says:

    With last ranked pass defense and a number 3 offense I think it is pretty obvious what should be the priority.

  42. Jean Lafitte Says:


  43. JimmyJack Says:

    Jean you are doing it again. Teddy Bridgewater could not run this offense. Nothing suggests he could.

    Cam certainly couldnt. He hasn’t been able to throw over 15 years for each of the last three years.

    Smith can’t either. He is a West Coast offense QB as I remember.

    Tannehill I don’t know. But look at his name. He just don’t sound like a fit.

    Your underestimating how tough it is to find a QB. Sure you can get any of them guys you mentioned. But you also gonna gotta change our system to match their arms. So say bye bye to our top ranked offense.

    Or think outside the box and figure a trade for a QB. One who can run this offense the way we have it. Either trade it in the draft or maybe swing a deal for Stafford. They’ll do it their the Lions.

  44. Jean Lafitte Says:

    4 1/2 seasons and we’re still watching the same mistake prone stare down your receivers throw it into triple coverage overthrowing 95 mph fastballs at 5yards away and couldn’t before yesterday hit a screen to save his life QB

  45. TexBuc Says:



    Team chemistry plays a big role on how a team performs. Names do not make a team good or great i.e. Dream team and Redskins have trying to buy a team for years.

    Broncos a few years ago a top 5 defense with Wade Phillips, but some believed it was the talent so they let Phillips walk and the next two years with essentially the same personnel could not stop teams anymore.

  46. JimmyJack Says:

    If Teddy Bridgewater could sling the ball down the field that’s what Sean Payton would have him doing. But that’s not what Payton has him doing. Sean Payton isn’t stupid. Do you think he’s stupid?

  47. JimmyJack Says:

    Laughing before I type this but technically Andy Dalton could run this offense. So their anther option for you Jean.

    Wanna start the Andy Dalton fan campaign?

  48. Bucnjim5656 Says:

    #1 in turnovers 2019? Winston
    #1 in turnovers last five years? Winston!
    Bottom five in QB rating for starters last five years? Winston

    No one wants a good staring QB more than I do. Being good also means you don’t lose games we should win. We will see!

  49. JimmyJack Says:

    Yeah but whose #1 in turnovers in the last month?

  50. TexBuc Says:

    With having a Top 3 offense you tweek it not overhaul it like add a RT and another RB/WR for depth. Improve the defense and that allows the offense to run the ball more.

    BA’s offense is a play action long shot offense, and without the threat of the run the QB’s will take hits just like when BA was Indy with Andrew Luck and Big Ben in Pitt. This offense will never have a 75% pass completion rate and even the great Dan Fouts running the same offense only completed about 59%.

  51. Jean Lafitte Says:

    straight to Dalton’re such a fool why would we want someone who’s as bad as Jameis?

  52. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Bridgewater is way more accurate than Jameis. Tell me to prove it?

  53. TexBuc Says:

    We or any other team is NOT going to find the next Lamar Jackson or Pat Mahomes in the next year’s draft. Both are GENERATIONAL QB’s of this era and the success rate of 1st round drafted QB’s is 36.8%, so the odds do not favor finding another QB that could generate a top 3 offense that we currently are even with the Int’s.

  54. Sleepy903 Says:

    Collin is having tryouts in Atlanta this Saturday. Joe is Tampa amongst one the teams that will be attendance. If not the rest of you cry babies on here can go scout for BA and email him with your stamp of approval.

  55. TexBuc Says:


    I just do not see the Saints letting Teddy walk with Drew Brees always aging.

  56. TexBuc Says:

    Correction currently aging not always aging

  57. Jean Lafitte Says:

    how do you frickin’ know do u have a crystal ball? seriously?

  58. Craig Says:

    For all of the yardage it comes down to this.

    Career: 105 TD-72 interceptions

    This year: 17 TD-14 interceptions.

    How can you call that progress?

  59. Nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Coaches coach, players play and fans look from the outside and coach better than the coaches, play harder than the players and criticize without knowing what the coaches and players see. All this equals to a heap of uninformed OPINIONS…

  60. TexBuc Says:


    If you found a QB that could play for the next ten years for your team and had a QB that was 40 yrs old what would you do?

  61. Jean Lafitte Says:

    So unless Bridgewater flat out wants to be a backup, Brees will continue to play.

    If we really wanted Bridgewater …we make him an offer for starter pay. I doubt his agent would decline.

    But then again he could but we’re talking a significant pay raise and a starter position. Unless of course the market beats us out of it.

  62. TexBuc Says:


    Agree 100%

    Retired and I like to pretend I am in charge at One Buc Place

  63. JimmyJack Says:

    Hahaha Jean I don’t want Dalton. I just want to start the campaign. We can bring signs to the game and the country can laugh at us. But we will get on TV…….Just like that idiot Buc fans that dress like a girl and shows everybody his tongue.

  64. Dapostman Says:

    Clowns still talking about an interception on the 3rd play. They totally forget about a game winning drive in the last two minutes. The announcer Spielman was saying all game you have to win the last 10 minutes. The most important play in any game is …..wait for it……The next play! The last play of the game most of the time is infinitely MORE IMPORTANT than the first play.

    The entertainment value on this website is top notch. Where else would you get to read the clown show for FREE!

  65. TexBuc Says:

    Teddy did not have success with the team that drafted him and he likes the system in New Orleans and took less money knowing he would be a backup to Brees. My OPINION is that a changing of the guard at QB will happen this offseason with the Saints.

  66. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Teddy throws a nice spiral and doesn’t have fumblelitus.

  67. JimmyJack Says:

    And I didn’t say Brigwater was not accurate. I just said he can’t run this offense. He just not good on them deep throws which is why he’s never been asked to run a offense like Bruce’s.

    Just saying that you can get him but then you gotta change the offense which means you get less yards and less points.

    May work out, it may not……..Either way I don’t think it’s realistic since if Bruce wants a new QB it would be his choice and he probably want a QB who can run the same offense we see now. Which kinda eliminates Bridgewater from consideration in mine opinion.

    Or maybe we can get Bridgewater and get a new HC which means we gonna need an entire new coaching staff to go with it. Is that what you want? Please tell me that’s not what you want.

  68. Humaira holley Says:

    A lot of the youngsters on here don’t remember when the Bucs would struggle to put up 14 points. How about 5 point in 99’ NFC Championship game. Be careful what you wish for. All I hear is to’s … it matters but put a middle pack D and running game and we are winning a lot of games. You guys feel we are just going to throw another QB game manager and get ready for that 15 point average if we are lucky. Winston with his flaws best Qb this team has ever had. Sign him

  69. TexBuc Says:

    Totally different offenses between Bucs and Saints. BA is coaching Winston to read the Safety and look 1st for the long shot then short and who he throws too is determined by what the defense is doing and that is why it seems he holds the ball too long. As he gets more comfortable in BA’s version of the 4 vertical offense I believe the ball will come up quicker.

  70. JimmyJack Says:

    Dapostman……I agree but that was still a bad INT.

    It took the crowd completely out of the game right from the start. As it killed the momentum of the fans it can do the same for teammates.

    Our players did step up and made some plays to get back into. Took the lead and gave the crowd back the energy……….Just one of them things like playing with fire.

    Winston gotta be more careful.

  71. Bnice Says:

    haahahaha f**king babies in here crying about Winston still…. WOOOOOOOO STILL OUR QB BABY!!!!

  72. Jmarkbuc Says:


    We’re at the Vikings in the playoffs of Minnesota

  73. Bnice Says:


  74. JimbobBucsFan Says:

    Clodhopper, you hit the nail on the head.

    Jameis is Jameis. He will be Jameis next year and for many years to come.

    If we can put a high quality team around him in all facets of the game he will do alright.

    Go look at Brett Favre’s career for a reasonably decent comparison. For you who did not follow his career when it unfolded start with Wikipedia to get a good idea of how he performed. You can also find his career stats readily enough. He was another “roller coaster” player for his team and their fans I am sure.

  75. Jmarkbuc Says:

    Let’s try that again…

    Didn’t Teddy lead the Vikes to the playoffs?

  76. Humaira holley Says:

    Teddy was blessed with god D good RB and solid o line. Put him on the Bucs and he’s 32nd qb in the league

  77. Humaira holley Says:

    Whoever is under 40 doesn’t remember all the years we had no offense. We have thrown a lot of great players overboard, young, Williams, Bennett, takin… let do it again .. joke!

  78. TexBuc Says:


    Yes you are correct, but i he was underwhelming as QB and when he got hurt Vikes really did not have much interest in keeping him

  79. JimmyJack Says:

    Tex great point and earlier in the year Joe mentioned how quickly Arians QBs have gotten the balls out.

    I guess there’s some stats that measure how quick each QB is and showed that Winston was much slower in prior years then where he really needs to be to run Arians offense.

    If I remember right Winston was steadily getting faster earlier in the year. I think you can look these stats up on NFL Network or something but I’ll just wait for Joe to do what we pay him to do and look it up for us and share it here. It’s pretty cool stuff though disceting thousandths of seconds and what not

  80. SteelStudBuc Says:

    Jameis Winston points against off turnovers is at a staggering 21% of total points allowed.
    Bucs have 279 points against through 9 games
    Jameis has turned the ball over and then in quick order… 58 points scored. Single handedly lost the 49ers game, the titans game and the Panthers game in London. That’s 3 losses through 9 games on one man.

  81. SteelStudBuc Says:

    The numbers don’t lie. If you look at the point margin in each of those games…
    49ers… Winston cost bucs 15
    London… Winston cost bucs 17
    Titans… Winston cost bucs 14

    Hard to play solid team ball when Americas favorite QB to play against coughed up 58 points in 9 games

  82. Dapostman Says:


    How is it the Qb’s fault when he is setting protections and looking downfield when the LG inadvertently tells the center to snap the ball? Boy you guys are like a dog with a bone. Do you even watch the games? This simpleton approach to Winston’s turnovers are like the FAKE NEWS media. Totally biased and factually incorrect.

  83. JimmyJack Says:

    Thanks for posting that SteelStud(bad nickname for a Bucs fan though).

    Those numbers do help to provide better context of the Winston debate.

    But I’m with Dapostman on the point of the Titans game. 7 of them points are absolutely not on the QB. The other turnover was where he threw the ball 30 yards over his reciver so was defientally a bad throw then a drive or two later he threw one directly at a Dlineman who was 2 yards in front of him………one of the dumbest professional throws I ever seen.

    But I liked his performance overall in that game because he shook them mistakes off and led us back to victory. I still am not forgiving the NFL for not allowing us to win the game ofically. But the refs would not allow us to win as they took back every play we made to seal victory. Took a ay INTs on three consecutive fake pentalties. Gave them a FG for free with fake pentalties. Took the ball out of our hand with a fake pentalty and then took away a TD from us on a fake whistle. We made the plays to win. Multiple time. For no good reason none of them counted. We we’re entirely cheated in that 4th quarter.

    I have not watched a NFL game(aside from the Bucs) since and never again in my life will I ever bet a penny on anything to do with a NFL game. Excluding between buddies for bragging rights.

  84. JimmyJack Says:

    Winston lost us the San Fran game. At least was the biggest contributor. Had the ball in a two minute drill down by less then 7. First play threw a awful pick on a extremely simple play.

    London totally on Jamies. Anyone thinking otherwise clearly has brain damage.

  85. JimmyJack Says:

    Now here’s the rub. Winston lost a lot of fan trust in the San Fran/London games.

    Now he’s going to finish the season strong and the mistakes will start fading and we will start winning games. The narritive we will then be looking at is that Winston took a bit of time to get comfy in the new offense. This narritive will hold merit.

    But we hit our turning point this week and as we win more games Winston will proove he is worth a contract.

    As fans we are holding bad memories against Winston. But Bruce is making the call and he aren’t worried about never getting momentum in 2017 against the Patriots like we could have. He’s worried about this team. It’s not his fault we decided to abaddon and dominant run performance in that game only to play into NEs hands and Chuck the ball down the field………It’s not Bruce’s job to go back in time and undo missed opportunities. It’s his job to create new opportunities and take advantage of them.

    Getting a little revenge this Sunday is a decent little place to start. It will mold the psyche of this team and will be a huge confidence builder.

    Now set back relax and enjoy the game this Sunday Buc fans. It’ll be fun!!!!

    Let us get good first then we can be great.

    GO BUCS!

  86. July Joe Says:

    Check out Author Jameis1of1’s tweet from today; since entering the NFL Jameis Winston has been BETTER THAN Russell Wilson in the red zone, with a better TD/INT RATIO and a HIGHER PASSER RATING!!!!!!!!!!

  87. Buccfan37 Says:

    Winston won’t morph into Mr. Near Perfect QB so expect the fan divided comments to stay the same when the season is played and done. Seven more games to sort out what happens in 2020. The suspense is building.

  88. SteelStudBuc Says:

    @Dapostman yes I do watch the games… they’re painful to watch. I’ve seen enough turnovers to know that gifting the opposing team is recipe for disaster. Next QB please.

    @JimmyJack I am a steel stud framer.. not a Steelers fan.

    I yearn for fundamental play from a 5th year nfl QB
    Not rookie mistakes in year 5. Very painful to watch. There might not be flashy QBs available next year but there will be QBs that haven’t turned the ball over 100 times in 5 years… spend those savings on defensive side of the ball.

  89. Sleepy903 Says:

    Now that there is context around Winstons Turnovers. He had 2 horrible games. All the other games except against the Saints he has but the Bucs in a position to win. 2 games out of 9 that fall on the QB’s shoulders. If the D was decent and the run game was in the top 15 we maybe looking at a record of 7-2 or 6-3 and it would be a totally different conversation.

  90. TexBuc Says:

    No doubt Winston is responsible for some of our losses, but Winston has kept us in games and put the team in positions to win games. Giants game Winston put team into FG range and as time ran out Gay missed FG = LOSS. Titans game a clear fumble recovery for TD overturned by Ref = LOSS. So we could have been 5-4 NOW instead of 3-6.

    #3 ranked offense not the problem the LAST ranked pass defense is. Maybe some do not remember that we rarely have had offenses ranked in the top 10 before Winston arrived.

  91. Jmarkbuc Says:



    2014 ROY
    2015 led his team to Playoffs
    2016 devastating knee injury, Vikes released him largely because they thought he might never play again… and it’s amazing that he does now.

    ROY first year, playoffs in his second. We could use a little “underwhelming “ around here , apparently.

    With JW we have become used to setting our expectations low, too low. Damn sure too low to pay him 30+ million, there is not sufficient value there.

  92. BucsBandit Says:


    QB Rating: Ranks 27th
    QBR: Ranks 20th

    Yeah, let’s give this turd $100M+ in an extension. LOL.


    Ryan Fitzpatrick *AVERAGED* 300 yards passing per game for the Bucs last year with this offense. And the offense is better with Jackson gone and Godwin (a legit #1 WR) now starting opposite Evans.

    Winston is nothing special. We could bring in many QBs (even rookies) he could put up similar productivity yet cut way down on the turnovers which would lead us to many more wins.


  93. July Joe Says:

    Teddy Bridgewater is a “game-manager” BUM who has ALWAYS been carried by a great run game and defense … you put him on this Bucs team and ask him to do what Jameis does, and he’ll throw for 1,500 less yards, 15 less TDs, 5-10 less INTs and the Bucs will score 10 less points and go like 1-15 … HE’S A BUM.

  94. SteelStudBuc Says:


    Rewatch the Saints game… the 2 picks Winston threw were nullified by penalties and there were 3 other passes that should have been intercepted… could’ve been another 5 INT game before Panthers game. He must be color blind.

  95. Defense Rules Says:

    @tmaxcon … “i am willing to bet a top shelf shot and a lap dance that vh3bust gave up more points than Americas Quarterback turnovers led to.”

    For starters tmax, nobody wants a lap dance from you so please put that back in your pocket. More to the point though, you may very well be right about VHIII; no way to tell that I’ve found. Our excellent run defense has driven opponents to pass more on us. Makes perfect sense … attack the weak link (a young, inexperienced Secondary led by, nada, VHIII). BA hit the nail on the head when he chastised Vernon for ‘trailing the play’. He was a master at it, and quite adept at making tackles … AFTER allowing the catch. Second on the team actually for making solo tackles (36); tied with Safety Jordan Whitehead & only 8 behind LVD. Yet only FOUR Passes Defensed in 10 games. THAT’S not a good combination & it earned VHIII a ticket with Bye Bye stamped on it.

    I fully expect this Secondary to grow better rapidly now that VHIII’s out of there, once Carlton Davis makes it back (hopefully by next game). Davis, Dean, SMB, Whitehead & Edwards is the future … 3 tall, fast corners with 2 solid safeties to back them up. Once they gel as a unit, the Bucs defense will improve rapidly I’m convinced.

  96. Defense Rules Says:

    I admittedly waiver back & forth about whether or not to re-sign Jameis. My biggest (but not only) reason is the potential cost … could be as high as $30-$35 mil whether we franchise him or sign him to a short-term or long-term deal. That’s a LOT of money to dedicate to ONE player, especially when you look at what comes with it (paying a LOT of money to build an offense around him). And IF you dedicate that much to ONE player, they’d better be a difference-maker CONSISTENTLY or the results won’t justify the expense.

    Jameis is running what is now the NFL’s 2nd most expensive offense ($98,487,274). Only Green Bay is more expensive ($98,996,592) and they have one more player on offense, so our offense is really the most costly per player. Project that to next year if we pay Jameis the $30-$35 mil. Dotson would be gone (saving a bit less than $5 mil) but then we have to add 1-2 OLinemen, probably pay Chris Godwin (if we expect to keep him), and it’d be nice to add a power RB to the stable, and oh ya a #3 WR. IOW, we could well be looking at an even more expensive offense, and we’re already at the top of the pile.

    In contrast our defense sits at #23 in salary Cap cost ($59,001,106). Those below us are getting very predictable results it looks like. Interestingly, our Secondary is #32 in terms of cost … sitting at $8,943,066 for NINE players now (no one else is even close). The average Secondary cost comes in at $25.6 mil in comparison and has 10 players. Leading the pack are the Patriots ($45.4 mil for 11 Secondary), Ravens ($43.4 mil for 11 Secondary) and Vikings ($41.8 mil for 10 Secondary). The 3 of them have a combined record this year of 22-6.

    Given a choice, I’d rather see a more balanced approach to TEAM construction and salary Cap management. Bucs would have to increase defensive spending to probably around $80 mil to be able to keep JPP, Barrett, Suh, Nassib AND sign a veteran CB for our Secondary (my preferences). That’d be an INCREASE of around $20 mil right there just for the defense. Personally I’d rather put my money in the defense because DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.

  97. Jean Lafitte Says:

    July Joe is BigHog


  98. Matthew Fifer Says:

    To anyone hailing Jameis for giving us a top tier offense, think about this. Using Brady as an example (since he’s the winning-nest QB in the game since joining the league). He has had 5 seasons with 4500 passing yards or more and in each of those seasons, his team led the league (or were in the top 5) in several offensive categories.

    However, and this is key….not one of those years did the Patriots win the Super Bowl. He may have played in the SB in some of those years, but he lost all of them. His SB wins have all came in years when he was statistically decent/good (not amazing) but the team around him was better. History has proven time and time again that the best offensive teams usually are not crowned champions when the year is over with. Even if they make it to the show, they rarely win the game (look at our SB win against the Raiders who were the top offense that year as proof).

    So if you think giving Jameis big money is a worthwhile investment you are just absolutely wrong. We don’t need a top 5 offense. We need a top 15ish offense that cares about ball security and a top 10 defense. I don’t think we have the personnel on defense right now to make this a top 10 D. To get that, we need to invest in the defense in all methods possible (draft/trades/FA). We don’t have the cap space to fix this defense if we give Jameis big money. There is NO arguing that, it’s absolute fact.

  99. Bucs96 Says:

    It’s funny how all the teams in front of them have winning records. But Jameis needs to go right, the 25 yr old QB w/ top 5 scoring offense, 3rd in passing yds, etc lol

    BUCS FANS ARE WEIRDOS!!!!!!!!!!!

  100. Matthew Fifer Says:


    He needs to go if he won’t accept a team friendly deal. The defense is clearly a problem and if he will only stay if we pay him big, we won’t ever get to the playoffs.

    The defense is kind of starting to show improvement, but it’s still a few players short of being a top quality defense. If we continue to be a one-sided team (good offense/bad defense), it’s meaningless. We won’t go anywhere like that. We need money to be able to improve the D. We can’t afford to blow huge money on a single player especially one as polarizing as Winston.

    If he gets signed and it’s for big money, I will be done with the team till he’s gone, I’ve supported the team for 25 years but I can’t continue to support a team that is clearly OK with not winning which is exactly what signing Winston to big money will show.

  101. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Contrary to the popular OPINION around here, there have been several improvements this year…across the team.