“It Was A Piss Poor Route”

November 11th, 2019

A former Buccaneer is throwing all kinds of blame at Chris Godwin for Jameis Winston’s first interception on the game’s opening drive yesterday.

It was 3rd-and-7 just 80 seconds into the game and there was America’s Quarterback, throwing across the field to a player who wasn’t open.

But hold up, barked Michael Clayton, the Bucs’ former stud receiver turned blocking icon.

“The first interception that Jameis Winston threw, perfect ball, thrown on time, it was a piss poor route,” Clayton told WDAE after the game.. “Chris Godwin did not come back to the football. He ran flat, ran straight to the sideline, and he allowed the defensive back to step in front of the football for a pick. And that’s what we’ve seen from half of Jameis Winston’s interceptions this year, that type of effort.”

What makes Clayton’s take interesting is that the FOX showed many replays and angles of the pick, so it’s not like Clayton couldn’t study what happened.

If Clayton is accurate, this would be the second time in a few games that Godwin screwed up and allowed a pick. However, Joe can’t roll with Clayton here after re-watching the play. The probably shouldn’t have been thrown, or it should have been thrown a little deeper and with more pop.

The defender did break faster than Godwin, and sometimes the defense deserves its share of credit.

Here’s a still shot below. You can see Jameis right after his follow through in the lower part of the picture.

59 Responses to ““It Was A Piss Poor Route””

  1. Wombat Says:

    Agree with Clayton, also if you can’t catch it, try and spoil the DB!! Put your hand in or grab an arm, become a defender and at least try and break it up.

  2. Greg Says:

    Every week it’s the same thing. Double down on blaming Hargraves while making up excuses for Jameis Winston. He threw into double and triple coverage all game. Lucky he didn’t have more interceptions. But that doesn’t get brought up

  3. Frankinthe813 Says:

    If anyone knows how to run a piss poor route it’s Clayton

  4. Ed Says:

    Cmon, this is weak, receivers never run the perfect route but because Jamies Winston is one of the few quarterbacks in the NFL that doesn’t have a compact throwing motion its easier for defenders to see when the ball is coming whereas a quarterback that gets rid of it faster, without the wind up will get the ball to where the receiver is. Winston simply hasn’t taken his game to the level where he anyone watching an NFL game can say he his mechanics are flawless.

    His physical coordination isn’t able to break his habit of delivering the ball as fast as possible. Another reason why he takes sacks that other quarterbacks don’t.

    He is what he is a middle of the road NFL quarterback who isn’t going to get the Bucs out of their hole. A change of scenery is good for the Bucs and for Jameis Winston.

  5. H8JWLVEBUCS Says:

    @Greg Says:
    Agree 1000% that type of favoritism will not sit well with players in the long run watch. You cant call out players in public and then make excuses for your pet players it never works out.

  6. H8JWLVEBUCS Says:

    I have a feeling Howard and Evans and soon Godwin and Hargraves going to rebel and give up on this coach.

  7. Waterboy Says:

    I agree. I went back and rewatched it several times last night, Jameis threw it right at the top of his break but Godwin rounded out his route which allowed the defender to turn and break in front of him. You’re never supposed to round out an out route for that very reason. It was 3rd and 7 so Godwin was probably just thinking 1st down and trying to stay past the 1st down marker.

  8. Ghost of Darrell Henderson Says:

    Godwin slipped and fell on the 2nd pick as well.

  9. Conte Piscatelli Says:

    We have seen that throw a dozen times this year from James to Godwin, and most of the time the ball finds its way through a tight window to Godwin who comes under control at the sidelines and picks up another 5-10 yards. Difference here is the DB broke hard under the route, the ball was either thrown a little short, or the DB watched enough tape and got there first.

  10. Kobe Faker Says:

    “Godwin = Fred Sanford

    Whats up with Godwin?

    He fell down on the 2nd interception. Instead of fighting for the ball. He completely mistimes and falls down right before the defender comes over top

    Every damn time Godwin gets up from the ground slowly like a 90 year old man. Fred Sanford looks like he is going to get a heart attack and die

    Elisabeth! its coming! Oh Lord. This is the 1”

    Kobe Grady Faker

  11. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    Oh Wow,

    Let’s absolve Jameis of any blame again for a bad decision.

    I have never seen a could coddled like this before……talking about accepting ZERO responsibility.

  12. RustyRhinos Says:

    Is this another example of how well our QB puts the ball were his receiver can catch it? Had the ball been thrown toward the sideline were only the WR had the chance to catch it instead of behind the receiver once again, and this time the WR could not turn into a DB quick enough to deflect the ball? Either way chalk it up to another Winston turnover.

  13. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Joe, you will definitely trigger the haters with this article. Everything is Winston’s fault. I listened to that and I will trust a former wide receiver’s evaluation of that play. I also heard them bashing the announcers as bashing Winston the entire game. Even TKraz felt a lot of the telecast bashing was unwarranted. Now some of the haters are buying it too. Apparently Spielman doesn’t throw to a spot while a play is developing, he waits until it has completely developed before throwing. That is a very inaccurate statement. Jameis is constantly throwing to spots, often times before the receiver’s have even made their break. I even read a poster on here repeat that nonsense. Any real Buc fan that watches this team week in and week out knows that isn’t true. If Clayton is right I am Arians will say so after watching the film. The haters will just say Arians is protecting Jameis and claim it is fake news.

  14. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Apparently Speilman claimed.

  15. Jean Lafitte Says:

    guess what? ..it’s still a Jameis turnover

  16. HomerSimpsonRocks Says:

    Isn’t it odd for the guy who has more turnovers in the entire NFL the past 5 years to have such terrible receivers running bad routes? Gosh. Cmon. This average, mistake-prone, consistently inconsistent QB is so coddled, protected and excused.

  17. Mark Says:

    Ball was under thrown which is a nono on an out route. Godwin could’ve done more, but the pick is on the ball placement

  18. Eric Says:

    Hey Haters I’m going ask are anyone of you getting paid for your football knowledge I didn’t think so Gp Bucs!

  19. SteveK Says:

    Not a believer. Too many turnover. Never going to win a championship giving the ball away that much. Probably won’t even make playoffs with that many damn turnovers.

    So much good to Jameis’ game, but even more inconsistency. Can’t have that long term. Five years is enough.

  20. Frank Says:

    Stop with the excuses already! Our secondary sucks & Winston is even worse

  21. Christopher Schiefen Says:

    It’s throws like this that make me question this notion that Jameis has a big arm. Not that bright, not a good athlete, decent arm. Probably never shoulda been #1 overall.

  22. Bobby M. Says:

    Its football…..this stuff happens every game to every QB, somehow others manage to protect the football better.

  23. Bucsace Says:

    Bottom line……..Winston showed nothing yesterday that would warrant giving him a mega contract next season…..and at this point he’s running out of time to prove himself

  24. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Receivers are often called on to come back or make adjustment to routes as part of their route. Question I have when does Jameis have to make adjustments to the throw. Throwing to a spot instead of throwing to a receiver when the defender has a better break on the ball is something that some QB’s seem to be better at than others.

  25. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    It’s never Winston’s fault….including off the filed miscues.

  26. 813bucboi Says:




  27. Buczilla Says:

    Considering what I have seen from Godwin to this point in his career I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt over Jameis each and every time. Clayton is a nitwit not worth mentioning outside of his rookie year.

  28. Dapostman Says:

    Anybody comparing Hargreaves to Winston is a moron.

    Hargreaves gets benched for not hustling.

    Winston after completing a pass downfield is BLOCKING for his wr.


  29. orlbucfan Says:

    I, for one, will give Ungodly more than his due. He’s that good of a player. My beef with with Arians’ play calling. What’s he trying to do? Wear Godwin out or get him badly injured? ME13 was loafing yesterday. Where was Brate? Bowles is the best coach Bucs have right now. If he benches VHIII, so be it. Plenty of young DBs want to play and mature. Just like Whitehead has. The team won this game yesterday, not Arians.

  30. orlbucfan Says:

    Mivchael Clayton sounded like he was on meth or coke on the broadcast yesterday. 🙂

  31. orlbucfan Says:


  32. Sleepy903 Says:

    That isnt the only poor route ran by Godwin yesterday or this year even Mike has run poor routes. People are saying that JW shouldn’t throw certain passes. What i have noticed this year is yes JW is forcing some throws into really tight windows that because the WR aren’t getting separation. There have been many plays were JW is basically standing there waiting on his WR to get open. Yeah in some instances that is due to great coverage but a lot of times its from poor routes being run. If you want JW to throw it away every time a WR is not open you’d be surprised at how many throw aways would occur.

    JW is expecting his WR to win their one on one matchups. WR falling out of their breaks, Not running crisp routes, pulling up on routes and not coming back to the ball. Even in the still shot above you can see CG is rounding that route off instead of making putting his inside foot into the ground, heading towards the sideline angled back to the QB. He looks to be fading down the field.

    Kinda reminds me of how AJ Green wouldnt come back to the ball the help Andy Dalton earlier in his career. Yeah they had great chemistry but i think at one point majority of Andy’s ints were thrown AJ’s way and he wouldnt make the effort to come back to the ball or at least break up the play.

    At the very least offensive PI would be acceptable, at least it would show extra effort on the WR.

  33. Ndog Says:

    Everyone knows I’m a Jameis guy and it wasn’t a great route BUT that was not a good decision. When a guy is that close it is way to risky a throw for the third play of the game. I really believe in the guy and he a has a TON of ability but throws like that frustrate the heck out of me. Everyone makes mistakes and Jameis is no exception but he needs to know when to take chances. But in my opinion that was the first bad decision he has made in awhile. I can live with the rest as those we’re all plays that if things go right from his teammates could have gone either way.

  34. Couch Fan Says:

    Poor route or not, you can clearly see the DB blanketing Godwin, you simply do not throw it make that throw. Especially not at the very beginning of a game.

  35. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    As I recall, Godwin DID try to knock the ball loose after the pick, but I could be mistaken.

    It happened. At this point, I barely care about the picks…because Winston has it in him to still win a game by leading the team down the field and scoring enough to win. He helps the offense overcome the mistakes.


    Except on his worst games.

    I would like him to play safer, but really, he is in a catch 22. Fans want him to focus on ball security, but when he takes sacks they complain that he didn’t throw it away…even though he does not have many chances to throw it away.

    If he extends a play with his feet, fans complain that he takes too long to pass (even though there may not be someone to pass it to).

    If he tries to throw it away, the refs call him for intentional grounding, even if there is a WR in the vicinity (like yesterday, when he got called for it and Rojo was there).

    I think Winston makes mistakes that are certainly his fault at times, but at other times, fans blame him even when it isn’t his fault.

  36. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Morgus the Magnificent Says
    “It’s never Winston’s fault…”

    I suppose it might seem that way. But here is the simple truth:

    Jameis supporters do not claim he is blameless. They recognize that not everything is his fault at all times.

    Jameis haters blame Jameis for everything.

    Here’s the real irony: even you will admit that our secondary sucks, right? That our defense is not good?

    If we had a different QB who had few turnovers, but scored the same number of points, yet we still lost games, would you blame that QB or the defense?

  37. James Walker Says:

    The defense needs to step up because if we can hold teams to 3 scores a game this is a play off team. The Bucs are a top 10 offense.

  38. SteelStudBuc Says:

    How many points off turnovers from Jameis this year?
    What’s the percentage of total points allowed?
    Hmmmmmm it’s the demoralizing defense’s fault right?

  39. Jmon300@gmail.com Says:

    Godwin still learning he needed to be more physical on that play!

  40. JP_09 Says:

    That ball should’ve been thrown closer to the sideline bad route or not it was a bad pass too

  41. Buccfan37 Says:

    Godwin didn’t have his best game yesterday but still came up with some crucial catches.

  42. Jmarkbuc Says:

    I thought the defense did real work in the first half, and we could not capitalize on their good play.

    The second half was like most of our second halves…AZ gets a huge completion when there is nobody in the middle of the field.

    Vern still jogging around, afraid to get his uniform dirty.

    As for JW, it’s like the old joke “ God got Karen’s periods backwards, once a month she’s nice”

    Most QB’s make really good to great throws, with an occasional stinker. JW throws a lot of bad balls, with an occasional gem ( the pass to Miller in the end zone was perfect, ME13 makes that catch.) A lot of missed wide open receivers or “sail” balls, again, from JW. Time to move on, five years is enough.

  43. Jaywill Says:

    Winston threw it before the db & wr made their cuts. Winston trust his wr is going to be where he is supposed to be. He has to throw it early.

  44. Cgmaster27 Says:

    Ex pro player says its a “bad route”. Joe bucs fan “experts” who have never played a pro snap in their lives say ” hes just making excuses for jameis”. I love our internet experts

  45. Big_Buc$ Says:

    Looking at this play I see two things. The DB fail and cut off the route to get the interception. The second was I felt Winston shouldn’t have floated the pass to him. At the end of the day the bucs got the win which is all that matters.

  46. Orlando Kevin Says:

    We teach the same thing in youth football…. go get the ball. You just can’t wait for it to drop in your lap like DeSean Jackson expected.

  47. Troy Says:

    Joe (aka The Winston Excuse Machine). Give me a break. That was a terrible throw where Jay-miss stared down Godwin. Can you please stop Joe? Please stop with the excuses for the poor play by Winston.

  48. TOM Says:

    I don’t agree with Clayton’s sorry ass but if anyone knows about piss poor routes he should. One hit wonder.

  49. Anonymous Says:

    Big_Buc$ you never float a out route. Its a timing play usually 3 step drop, plant and deliver.

    When Goodwin ran a great route when PP was holding him Winston threaded it in there like he should. When the WR and QB are on the same page it looks amazing when they arent its results into the above pic. JW and Goodwin have been money on the out routes on that one Goodwin just got lazy it happens. Could be that the reason the pass wasn’t more towards the sideline was JW saw the poor route as he started his throw and knew it was a pic but was already in full motion.

  50. firethecannons Says:

    with this kind of offense our recievers need to get better at playing occasional defense

  51. Anonymous Says:

    Funny, I thought the 2nd interception was on him cuz he fell down right when the ball was released.

    1st INT I was placing the blame squarely on Jameis.

    Hard for us to know unless Godwin or BA comes out and says what the route was supposed to be.

    Clayton is correct though, about half of the INTs this year have been from incorrect routes, as confirmed by the head coach.

    It is what it is….

  52. ElBajito43 Says:

    Jameis Winston will never lead the Bucs to a super bowl.

  53. whaaatttsss uuuup Says:

    he throws into coverage every single game!! it is why he is averaging 2 interceptions a game!! think about that for a minute!! 2 picks a game!! not even counting his overthrows and stuff that should be picked!! if he didn’t have fantastic receivers he would be the worst QB to ever play the game!! …..dang man me and 75% of the fan base are tired of this shameless defense of this HORRIBLE QB and man!! when you are accused of rape and then groping there is probably something to it!! ….. i have never seen anything like the defense of this clown!! … i will tell you what, if he was white then people wouldn’t give him so many excuses and chances!!! bortles did the same stuff and every one and their momma called him a bum!!!

  54. whaaatttsss uuuup Says:

    if Godwin ran a bad route then guess what –DONT THROW HIM THE MO**ER FU**ING BALL!!!!!!!

  55. BucsBandit Says:

    The HILARITY of the article and this discussion is that we’re now left with debating that certain INTs and turnovers aren’t Winston’s fault. That alone should tell you how much this guy stinks and has a turnover problem when there’s a discussion trying to prove that maybe he had a few less turnovers than the stats showed.

    All QBs have INTs that aren’t their fault. It’s the nature of the game. But overall, someone with a lot of turnovers, like Winston leading the league since 2015, just reinforces that he’s terrible in the turnover department because the law of averages indicates that so many ARE his fault, like with all QBs.

    So let’s say this INT was Godwin’s fault. Okay. Now let’s examine Winston’s other 90+ turnovers.

  56. lambchop Says:

    Michael Clayton is a jealous idiot. Jameis may have thrown a great ball, but he stared Godwin down the whole way like an Uber driver. Even the announcers called it multiple times in the game. I’ll trust Spielman over a glorified blocker who couldn’t find a route on Google maps.

  57. gotbbucs Says:

    He floated that ball. You cant lob out routes in the NFL. He’s lucky it wasnt 6 going the other way.
    Winston has made a career of throwing Int’s on that exact route on both sidelines. Slow progressions and wind up release. Recipe for disaster when throwing to across the field.

  58. Chris Says:

    Yeah. The one thing I hear out of Bucs camp is how hard Godwin works so saying he runs a poor route or lacks effort is hilarious. Both of jameis picks were under thrown balls that shouldn’t have been bc he wasn’t even open and threw the ball where the DB can make a play.

    What’s the deal about all these excuses for jameis ? He’s an inaccurate QB who makes one read and if it’s not there he hesitates and takes a sack. He rarely uses his check down or goes through progressions. To be honest I never see him hit receivers in stride.

  59. David Says:

    He is absolutely correct.
    ME13 is a good route runner.
    Godwin is average.
    That’s where Humphries excelled. A quick slot receiver who can run routes can get a lot of separation.