“Three Or Four Sacks He Sacked Himself”

October 14th, 2019

If you’ve listened to Bucco Bruce Arians throughout his Tampa Bay tenure, you’ll notice he finds America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, to be proficient at the self-sack.

No, that’s not an official NFL statistic, stat freaks. But it can be translated as the quarterback held the ball too long or didn’t take the running room he had to avoid a negative play.

Once upon a time in 2018, Jameis was an excellent scrambler, both in his execution and decision-making.

Through six games this season, Jameis is averaging a shade over six yards per game rushing (2.1 yards per attempt). Last year, Jameis was at just under 22 yards per game scrambling at 5.8 yards per rush. That’s a huge difference and it’s obvious that somebody or something got in Jameis’ head about scrambling.

Frankly, Joe would take any answer to that mystery from any Bucs official at face value; Joe’s doubts the whole truth will ever come out.

Speaking today at his news conference, a feisty Arians threw around a lot of blame for the Bucs turnovers, and added he won’t shy away from blaming his quarterback, too. He also went on to say roughly half of the seven sacks Jameis absorbed are on him.

“Three or four sacks he sacked himself,” Arians said.

“…Throw it away; it’s very simple.”

Joe cannot explain why Jameis isn’t playing the mental game he’s being coached to execute.

Surely, Arians and his staff know how to coach quarterbacks. And surely, Jameis is intelligent and he’s known for being a quick study. So Joe can’t accept a Jameis isn’t coachable argument.

The only thing Joe can conclude is that game pressure sometimes gets to Jameis and that leads to his wild swings of inconsistency. And that’s probably something won’t change anytime soon.

134 Responses to ““Three Or Four Sacks He Sacked Himself””

  1. BUC CHEEKS Says:

    After this year he’ll be sacked for good.

  2. Jmarkbuc Says:

    “Can’t accept that he’s not coachable”?

    Left foot
    Clyde Christiansen
    Tom Moore
    Ostensibly BA

    These guys aren’t getting through. Do we need to dig up J. Unitas and B. Starr.

    Dude can’t be coached. He’s a high school sand lot QB. Sorry. Not sorry.

  3. ElBajito43 Says:

    This is so sad, really. To see a guy that has not been able to get his foot work down, holds the ball like he is in FROZEN 2, throws with a windup like he still is a FSU relief pitcher, gets one deep ball 🏈 on the money every 5-6 games, fumbles, throws pics…….. and all we hear is that “He puts up 400 yards!” Well every fan knows he is up against prevent defense and playing from behind.

    Winston will play well enough to push us back in the draft far enough to where “LICHT MY BALLS” LICHT my team on 🔥 can TRASH US with a Safety or Cornerback

    Then Mr. Magoo will be resigned for another year of ATM charges.
    Ooooooh it’s AWE-Sooooome Ba-byyyyy!!!!!!! Yeaaaa

    Bucs will draft another DB at 12th overall VH3 2.0

  4. Buddy Says:

    Why are we even listening to this old man. He doesn’t coach anything, he coaches the coaches. He’s not anywhere near what people in this town made him out to be. He’s a fraud. Just collecting a check. Did he retire that dumba$$ hat finally? People starting to see thru this guy

  5. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Apparently it’s not so simple. BA must be wrong.

  6. DB55 Says:

    I know at least one was on him. Obviously there were more but let me ask is JW being coached/told not to scramble?

    He’s throwing the ball away a lot more often. Heck he threw a ball into the dirt in front of Scott miller’s feet, he NEVER does that.

    Seems to me like he’s at least trying to do what he’s being coach to do so the question is can he run? Is he allowed to scramble? I mean he’s been the 2nd leading rusher on the team for years so what different now?

  7. Larry Says:

    Winston looked like a deer in the head lights. A 5th year QB should be better than that. Until he proves he is worth more, CONSISTENTLY, and IF his option is picked up, he should not make more the an average backup. 8/10 million is what he is worth right now. ANYONE can lose the ball 6 times for you. If it wasn’t for Winston’s turnovers’ they would have won that game. Period. End of story!!!

  8. diggler Says:

    How does one sack himself? Asking for a friend.

  9. Nptbuc Says:

    You can’t get away with high school plays in the NFL. Did any of our quarterback whisperers tell Jameis? Bad o line and poor qb decisions = Team losses. But it’s been almost Five years now. At what point does it sink in-If ever? You could almost hear entire neighborhoods in Pasco yelling Run Jameis or Throw it, throw it! If a bunch of couch jockeys have it figured out, why not Jameis? Accountability my arse! Who has been taken out, for even a play, because of a monumental screw up? How many times would your boss let you make the same mistakes over and over again before he took some action? There is no accountability! Yet they call this a business. A real business would be bankrupt with this leadership. Have I missed someone taken to the woodshed over this mess? Would Bellicheat put up with this? There’s your answer.

  10. ClodHopper Says:

    He’s so smart in the classroom. Big deal. He’s not smart on the football field. I applaud him for his intelligence but it doesn’t translate to the field.

  11. 123urout Says:

    Jameis does not have the mental capacity to process basic decision making. He has a very low football IQ

  12. Ndog Says:

    You hold the ball cause you don’t want to take chances. He has been told so many times dont throw picks, don’t throw picks, don’t throw picks that now he is gun shy which is just as bad. It really is a shame that this disaster of a franchise might have ruined another great talent. No running game to help, no oline, and needing to score 30 points every game would ruin any player. Let’s all just hope he can overcome it all but this situation is almost impossible which is why it never has been done. So odds are he will be gone at years end and the next victim of this crap fest will be fed to the wolves and then all these quitters on this team will have someone new to blame for the garbage they put on the field every week.

  13. Defense Rules Says:

    Any semblance of CONFIDENCE that Jameis had is shot now. And that’s not something that can be regained easily.

  14. Thisisouryear!!! Says:

    I would think if they are considering going after a qb in the draft, they should get what they can for Jameis. I think someone would cough up a 2nd. Everyone’s talking about what we can get for Hargreaves. What about Winston. I agree he has potential, but I think he’s going to be bad Jameis once every four games.

  15. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Winston must be the most unlucky QB of all time. He throws INTs when his WRs run the wrong routes….all of the time, or when his arm gets hit as he throws, despite his lightning-quick release, and even the MLB intercepts the ball when it’s thrown right to him. How is this possible? The fumbles are more mystifying. How unlucky does a QB have to be to fumble 2 plays in a row? I don’t get it. Most top 10 QBs don’t have this run of bad luck in a season, let alone a game. At least we have excuses for his 6 turnovers. I’m glad we’ll have excuses for the next 6 turnover game, too. Can’t blame the QB. I bet Tom Brady will have an excuse when he throws his 6th INT of the season… in the super bowl.

  16. BucsBandit Says:



    Newflash: Jameis has led the league in ball-holding time since he was a rookie. This isn’t anything new.

    Man, you really do have an EXCUSE for everything Jameis Winston. No matter how bad he plays or how bad certain FACTS are, you find a way to spin it.


  17. asdf Says:

    “Surely, Arians and his staff know how to coach quarterbacks. And surely, Jameis is intelligent and he’s known for being a quick study. So Joe can’t accept a Jameis isn’t coachable argument.

    The only thing Joe can conclude is that game pressure sometimes gets to Jameis and that leads to his wild swings of inconsistency. And that’s probably something won’t change anytime soon.”

    @Joe – not sure I fully understand this part. By definition, if the coaches are telling him to do something, but he can’t execute what he has been coached to do (i.e. throw the ball away) during the actual game, he is un-coachable. It’s not for lack of trying (I don’t think anyone would argue JW isn’t trying his best), it’s simply that he doesn’t have what it takes when the live bullets start flying.

    From everything we have seen it sure seems JW is a “booksmart” QB, but lacks “Streetsmarts” to execute in live game situations

  18. BucsBandit Says:


    You hit the nail on the head!

    Jameis Winston is one of the most ELITE QBs to ever grace the NFL with his presence, but for some reason he has just been incredibly UNLUCKY.

    It truly is a shame how UNLUCKY he has been.

    4+ years of being UNLUCKY every year.

    Just an incredible streak of being UNLUCKY.

    One of the worst UNLUCKY streaks in NFL history.


  19. dmatt Says:

    I mentioned last week in a thread that Jameis need to stop with the tango in the pocket n either gain 1 positive yard vs a negative 6 yards, or just throw the ball away. I have always supported Jameis but I’m at the point of putting in Ryan Griffin n let’s c what he can do. If Jameis is being stubborn n just continue to try to be a super zero, then just bench him! My belief is benching a healthy Jameis for more than 1 or 2 games will get him to thinking like a winner n improve his productivity. He’s proven he can check down, avoid sacks/ints n turn a negative into a positive. Whenever he misses a game, he returns with a vengeance n balls out.We have to make a statement.

  20. Tampabuscsbro Says:




    GO BUCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  21. SteelStudBuc Says:

    Painful to watch. Way more bad than good.
    If he drops another steamer next week he better have splinters in his backside. You cant keep throwing games away with Winston on the field.

  22. Ndog Says:

    You guys joke all you want I mean look at all the success every other QB has had here. I mean we can always rely on our dominating run game, our stellar pass protection and stiffling defense. I mean man we are just a average QB away from winning our division. Yep Jameis is the problem, get rid of him and we will just explode to the top of this league.

  23. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Bandit! Lol! I’ve been a Jameis supporter since his first FSU game. Love what he could have been, but it’s not to be. I don’t hate Winston, I feel bad for him. I know he’s giving his all on the field, he’s a warrior. He’s just never going to be a winning QB. He could be a better OC than a QB. I hope he gets another chance somewhere else, at least as a backup.

  24. Ndog Says:

    Seeing so called Bucs fans cheer against our teams QB is disgusting BTW. For the record you guys truly suck as fans. You are what is wrong with sports. Being critical or calling someone out is expected but rooting for someone on your team to fail is flat disgusting just like you folks.

  25. asdf Says:

    The only other QB to play with the same weapons has been Fitz who (when he was on) was more explosive than JW. When he was off it was just as bad as JW….

  26. Lamarcus Says:

    Man JW is the best Ultimate definition of a mixed bag Qb. Great-Terrible Good-Bad all in one and you get your play calls from Leftwich and this is what you get.

    But it doesn’t matter. I don’t trust Bucs to handle top pick QBs ever again.

    And besides what competent agent would send their client here. They would pull a Elway or Eli or Bo Jackson. Putting your client in the situation will get you fired like JW had to do his. We have a demoted GM, Frustrated ME13, 7 draft picks in the secondary that’s rank 32nd, Terrible oline , no running backs , old coach, old dline, and toasted fanbase that will hate you if you struggled. Cut the Turnover happy Qb and let’s see what the next man can do.

  27. CPN Says:

    We sure will Ndog. And then when Burrow or Fromm get drafted and can’t bail out this team we will call for their heads too!

  28. Thisisouryear!!! Says:

    Give me a beak. First as fans we have to stomach his off the field antics (which we have) but when you combine that with his inconsistency, I say get him out of here. He’s not as good as rothleisberger to make us want to cheer for him.

  29. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Ndog, joking is the only way to stay sane. I’ve been on here for the last 5 years defending Winston and I can’t do it anymore. Winston isn’t the only reason we’re a losing team, but he part of the problem. We need an overhaul from ownership down to the guy who decides the cut pattern on the field and the guy that shines the coin for the toss.

  30. Jmarkbuc Says:

    “You hold the ball cause you don’t want to take chances”

    And yet he holds it and holds it, and then takes bad chances….

    Ndog..You trippin’ Bro.

    You, 813, JW and Vern should get an apartment together…if you haven’t already. Big circle jerk 24/7.

  31. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    We saw the complete meltdown of Josh Freeman…..there was a time where the only QB who had more rushing yards was Vick….

    Have you noticed that you can usually tell if Jameis is going to have a good or bad game depending on his first two or three passes…..strange but true.

    I think with some things Jameis is truly uncoachable….and that is when he is under fire on the field…..sometimes he’s brilliant…..sometimes he’s a failure….but he is always trying to do the most difficult tasks……he is the exact opposite of Mike Glennon…..and, truth be told, we may actually be better off with a game manager type QB….someone who won’t lose a game for us.

    So…..we have Jason Gump…..and we have Jameis “Like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re gonna’ get”

  32. DB55 Says:

    What would the next guy do given this exact team? If Winston were to miss time due to injury what would Griffin or Gabbret do?

    Fitz lost like 5 out of 7 games and people are still praising him. He threw interceptions galore but there are still happy memories of good ol Fitz. It’s like Pittsburgh and Chicago never even happened.

    The next Jameis int which will come sooner than later should land him on the bench. Then let the rookie come in, Ryan Griffin, who’s been in the league 6 years and is yet to throw a pass. I mean how could he possibly be any worse? He could surprise the world. Just make sure Josh Wells is playing RT. Lolololol

  33. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Ndog, I’m not rooting for him to fail, I’ve been rooting for him for 7 years. Phuck you. Maybe you should root for the team and not one player who sucks. You should want the next QB to be the guy, cause Winston has had his chance and has showed he’s not. Are you a Winston fan or a Bucs fan? The rest of the team should go too. New owner, new GM, new gardeners at One Buc. Whatever it takes.

  34. Jason Says:

    It’s really simple. Up to the snap, Jameis is a savant. On the whiteboard he can dissect a defense. Pre snap he can make all the reads. However, once the ball is snapped he is incapable of processing the info his eyes are giving him fast enough to be an elite qb.

    Some people can do calculus, but can’t add a bunch of numbers up in their head. While i know people who have an 8th grade education who can add a bunch of numbers up in their head almost instantly.

    Jameis is an extremely smart man, but to be a successful NFL quarterback you also have to be able to process information at a higher rate of speed than the average Joe. I don’t believe he can do that, and I’m not even sure if that is something you can actually improve. Some people are just more gifted in certain areas than others.

  35. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Fairweather fans make this site toxic after a loss… just sad.

  36. Oneilbucs Says:

    Man why yall are all over Jamies just look how the 49ers are wining games. They don’t ask their quarterback to win the game all by himself. They play team ball we play quarterback ball and that’s the differences. Jimmy G is a 100 million dollar quarterback that is helping his team win. He throws the ball maybe 20 or 25 times a game and that’s ok . They play good defense and they run the ball well so Jimmy G don’t have to think it’s all on him to win. He knows that he don’t have to score 30 or 40 points a game because he has a good defense and a running game and his fan base and franchise is ok with that. No one is complaining about his turnovers cause they are wining games. Jamies has to win the game all by himself. If the team lose it’s Jamies fault even if he don’t turn the ball over. Look at the Gaints game he was blame for that loss as well even though he put the team in position to win with a 48 yard pass and yall still said he didn’t throw the ball right. I said it before it doesn’t matter how good Jamies plays he will be the blame for every lost this year and I’m sure that is hard when you are in a lose lose position. The only thing I’m worried about is when we draft another quarterback will he be blamed for every lost. And I know that we are not going to the playoffs next year. Defense wins championships and the 49ers looks just like what we should be doing. And that’s building the defense and running the ball. But no all yall focus on is quarterback.

  37. Bird Says:


    Like you rooted for Fitzpatrick to fail who was a buc !

    Man you are the biggest hypocrite on here
    If you didn’t have a double standard you would have no standards at all

    And a lot of people are probably cheering against you for acting like you know more then everyone else about Jameis and football What a clown show
    Making excuse after excuse . Of Jameis 88 turnovers …what like 25 are his fault.

    Jameis biggest supporter (his coach and why he came here along with Licht ) just said he was the cause for those sacks. And trying to be Superman when he should throw away. He also said if he has another game like that then they have a problem.

    Get a grip

  38. EA Says:

    I know all the football gurus think that Winston is light years ahead of Ryan Griffin but honestly he couldn’t do any worse, we have to see what this guy brings to the table in a meaningful game.

  39. Jmarkbuc Says:


    “Have you noticed that you can usually tell if Jameis is going to have a good or bad game depending on his first two or three passes…..strange but true.”

    I said that a week ago… I call it the Dennis Scott effect. If you remember D Scott.

  40. Ndog Says:

    Yep Steve Young was too stupid to play here and so was Vinny Testerverde and so was Aquib Talib and so was Lagrette Blount and so was Michael Bennett and so was Darrel Revis and so was Bradley McDougall and so was Donald Penn. Yep all of those players were just to dumb but I guess they magically got smarter when they left Tampa. Weird right?

  41. unbelievable Says:

    DR I’m afraid you might be right.

    I think his confidence is gone after the beating he took the last 2 weeks (and over the last 4 – 5 years). And BA is correct, some of those sacks are 100% on Winston (as was the fumble he lost).

    But he’s hearing ghosts for sure.

    The story from this morning cup of Joe was spot on.

    He’ll prob go to some other team and be successful (like so many others), but barring a huge turnaround and stellar play for the next 10 games, I don’t think he’s ever gonna take that next step in Tampa.

  42. Jmarkbuc Says:


    A toxic team makes the fan base what it is, not the other way around.

  43. Ndog Says:

    Bird you are full of crap like always. Of course I rooted for Fitzpatrick I just knew he was not the long term answer and that would hurt the tram long term. And yes I do know more than you but that’s not hard cause you are CLUELESS!!!!!!!!

    Oh BTW was I right about Fitzpatrick? Yeah he was good for two weeks then…….. Yeah that’s what I thought you punk a$$ no nothing. Try somebody you have a chance against cause I school you daily.

  44. Jason Says:

    Ea. Unfortunately Griffen will never get a chance unless Jameis gets injured. All the undrafted or low drafted qb’s we see succeeding all got a chance to shine because of injury, not because they outplayed the incumbent.

    P.s. I am NOT wishing for an injury to Jameis.

  45. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Winston does not know how to throw a ball away. On the off chance that he does, you worry about intentional grounding because you truly can’t trust that he was “targeting” a receiver. In fact, in the 49ers game, he threw an Interception when trying to… what? What was he trying to do on that second pick six versus the 49ers?

  46. Jmarkbuc Says:


    I wouldn’t be so sure that he becomes great somewhere else…the problems he has now he has always had, and coaching those things out of him has proven to be undo able so far. By any number of coaches.

    Whether he does or doesn’t succeed, I agree it won’t be here.

  47. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Winston gets criticized for dumb throws and forcing the ball. Winston’s solution? Hold onto the ball and wait for a play to develop. And keep holding and holding. Stats don’t lie.

    He very rarely scrambles or throws the ball away.

  48. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Can someone from the media ask to see this fabled “accountability sheet” from the coach? Also follow up with the quote about “How many turnover will you tolerate? One.”

  49. Rayjay1122 Says:

    I notice a few Hickory Dickory Docs trying to defend these losers jocks as the fans with half a clue are fed up and venting. Comical.

  50. Jason Says:

    I saw the one thing in Jameis this game that i hoped to never see, and that was the look in his eyes before the snap. He had the same eyes as Josh Freeman, that constant look of fear. But not normal fear, the fear of screwing up.

    Remember the movie The Sandlot. Remember when Smalls was walking onto the field for the first time, and he kept saying to himself ” don’t be a doofus. Don’t be a doofus.” That’s where Jameis Winston is right now, and it sucks.

  51. Kgh4life Says:

    While watching the game I noticed the same thing, Jameis would have a clean pocket to operate in and for some odd reason he would want to run around and run right into a sack. At least 3 or 4 sacks was on Jameis. The oline had it’s struggles, but a competent QB would have mitigated some of those sacks.

  52. WalkdaPlank Says:


    “Of course I rooted for Fitzpatrick I just knew he was not the long term answer and that would hurt the tram long term.“

    Buddy, can’t you see that’s what us “horrible fans” see when we look at Jameis Winston? We don’t hate the man, he just ain’t the answer.

    “Oh BTW was I right about Fitzpatrick?”

    Haven’t we been right about Winston? What’s the man’s record? How many turnovers to games started does he have? How come DeShaun Watson can have a terrible O-line and lackluster run game but still produce but Jameis can’t?

    Put Winston’s jockstrap down man. It’s been 5 years. How many more 4 or 5 INT games do you need to see?

  53. Erik Hesson - Fine Artist - City of St Pete (formerly known as 'The Kwon Alexander of Bucs Fans') ***Rhealist, louden annoying, & tminimum are the worst posters ever!!! Says:

    Real fans are disgusted with Jameis’ decision-making & execution of the offense.

  54. Jmarkbuc Says:

    Petty officer

    I don’t believe that sheet exists..I mean Vern is still starting.

    Now BA WILL cut you if you park in the wrong space though. Go figure.

  55. DB55 Says:

    If you can go back and watch the tape what you’ll see for the most part like 90-95% of the time is defenders in his face within 2 secs and no one to throw the ball to bc they’re still running their routes with their backs to the QB.

    Three plays stand out. First one was to OJ on a blitz, Winston reads the blitz throws to the hot route OJ turns to the ball too slow and drops the pass. Could have been picked bc he just juggles it in the air.

    Second play is to Godwin, not a blitz but pressure he throws before Godwin breaks his route and the ball catches Godwin instead of the other way around. So much so that it knocks Godwin backwards and off balance. Godwin being the beast that he is not only catches the pass but somehow turns up field to gains a first down.

    Finally, OJ again on a hot route easy pitch and catch but he drops it.

    These are the plays no one talks about. You don’t talk about how Bruce Irvin absolutely ate Josh Allen’s lunch yesterday where JW can’t even release a screen pass but you remember the fumble. Cause and effect my friends, cause and effect.

    When he makes the right read the passes get dropped, picked off or there’s a holding penalty or illegal formation or something stupid.

    Something coach also said that won’t be mentioned at all which was all part of my notes from yesterday and I might have even posted it is that JW gets hit “early and often”. Refs won’t even give him face mask penalties but that’s alright I guess.

    You want this guy to literally carry a team with little to no support and it just isn’t going to happen. Sorry folks but he needs help and a lot of it.

  56. TSmitty3000 Says:

    Winston is not the guy and I believe it would be in his best interest to play elsewhere. It is clear Winston is shot mentally. It is like he’s afraid to make a mistake. Ironically, that means you will make mistakes. Getting rid of Winston is putting lipstick on a pig. This franchise is dysfunctional. A rookie will not turn the ball over as much, but we are stuck with a mediocre offensive line, meh backfield, bad secondary, and a 1 man pass rush. I forgot we are banking on a guy with a broken neck to save the pass rush.

    Arians is partly to blame, because he turned over play calling duties to Leftwich(who was a disaster in Arizona). I live in Phoenix and the only real changes on their offense is coaching and Kyler Murray. Yep they are better on offense.

    Besides Miami and Cincinnati, teams like Denver, Chargers, Tennessee, and perhaps the Vikings (Cousins has 1 more year on that deal) will be looking QB as well. We aren’t getting Burrow and Tua. That rookie QB will have to overcome the same issues Jameis failed to overcome.

  57. BucsBandit Says:

    Bird, you are 1,000,000% RIGHT. NDog was rooting for Fitz to fail so his boy Jameis would get OFF THE BENCH and play again.

    BTW… that’s the one fact that Jameis Homers never like to recognize… he was actually BENCHED last year for poor play. How many elite QBs are benched in their 4th year in the league? LOL

  58. Kgh4life Says:


    Franchise QBs know when to take chances and when to give up on plays, that’s what separates the elite QBs from everyone else. Jameis hasn’t found that balance and he probably won’t. When he take takes chances he turns the ball over a lot or makes big plays, when he doesn’t take chances, Jameis holds on the ball far to long and take sacks or risk fumbling.

  59. Oneilbucs Says:

    Ndog I said the same thing when it came down to those players all but Steve Young cause I was just 5 years old. But you know what when Blount left Bennett left and Talib that was the down fall of our team and Penn . We haven’t recovered yet from that . Then we went drafted a 20 year old quarterback and told him go win a championship with a bottom ranked defense and a bottom ranked running game and no offensive line but it’s his fault every time we lose. But Jimmy G is a 100 million dollar quarterback and is not asked to do what Jamies is ask . He throws 2 or 3 interceptions his team still finds a way to win. If Jamies does it then that means no one has to play hard because they know if we lose it’s going to be Jamies fault. So why should our defense play well are our running backs play well cause Jamies will be blamed for it .

  60. WalkdaPlank Says:


    Not only was Jameis benched for tossing 4 INT’s to a lackluster Cincy defense, but Fitz came in and proceeded to carve up the same lackluster defense and almost singlehandedly won the game that Jameis threw away. That game doesn’t prove Fitz is a great QB, but it does prove that Jameis is not a franchise QB.

  61. Simeon97 Says:

    This guy has been given too many chances. Different season m, different staff
    , same result. Time to move on.

  62. DB55 Says:

    Sure Watson is a great young QBs but he plays 8 games against Mariota, Minshew and Jacoby Myers. JW has to beat SB caliber teams. When is the last time anyone from the AFCS even came close to the SB?

    Come on guys …..seriously.

  63. Ndog Says:

    WalkdaPlank Says:
    October 14th, 2019 at 10:41 pm

    “Of course I rooted for Fitzpatrick I just knew he was not the long term answer and that would hurt the tram long term.“

    Buddy, can’t you see that’s what us “horrible fans” see when we look at Jameis Winston? We don’t hate the man, he just ain’t the answer.

    “Oh BTW was I right about Fitzpatrick?”

    Haven’t we been right about Winston? What’s the man’s record? How many turnovers to games started does he have? How come DeShaun Watson can have a terrible O-line and lackluster run game but still produce but Jameis can’t?

    Put Winston’s jockstrap down man. It’s been 5 years. How many more 4 or 5 INT games do you need to see?

    Maybe because he plays with a guy named I don’t know JJ Watt!

    Are you serious bro he is playing with a WR who didn’t drop a ball ALL over last year where our best WR had two drops yesterday.

    Oh yeah he also has to keep us with the likes of Blake Bottles, Mariota, and a different backup every year with the Colts. Whereas Jameis has to beat Brees, Ryan and a once freak in Cam. I wonder which one had a tougher challenge? Especially when one has a league worst defense and kicker and the other has Watt and had Clowney. Give me a break bro know what your talking about when you come at me.

  64. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    One thing I don’t get about Winston’s defenders is do they all just think he is suddenly going to magically get it after 5 years. This is the NFL if he hasn’t gotten it by now he never will. I don’t hate him but it’s time to move on I would prefer we sell some pieces and start rebuilding but of course our gump of a GM isn’t going to do that cause we are in “WIN NOW MODE” and look like a team that cannot even win 6 games right now.

  65. Ndog Says:

    Find the post where I rooted against Fitz. You guys are so full of crap. I simply said he wasn’t good enough and it would be bad for us long-term and I was right. You are both proven so wrong by me so often it frankly is getting sad. I was at the games cheering for him like I always am. Where were you sitting around wondering how I know so much more football than you?

  66. Oneilbucs Says:

    Man all those young quarterbacks that look like they’re playing so good or all on teams that can run the ball and play defense. Jamies don’t have a team like their’s.

  67. WalkdaPlank Says:


    Jameis has arguably the best WR duo in the entire league, yet still throws to the other team. Overthrows 6’5” Mike Evans constantly. How does that happen? And what does JJ Watt, a DEFENSIVE player, have anything to do with DeShaun Watson? Or the other QB’s in his division? Irrelevant dude.

    You know what is relevant? Jameis is now the FIFTH best QB in the NFC South, as this no-name Kyle Allen is outplaying him. Crazy right?

  68. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    Man Ndog is really going ham the QB who bought his school a title is bad in the NFL and just cannot take it. It’s sad really.

    Winston isn’t the guy moving forward no matter what and you alleged fans know it.

  69. DalvinCookRules Says:

    Guys, I have been an FSU fan for over nearly 40 years. Nobody was a bigger fan of Jameis W at FSU than me and I passionately defended everything he did on the field (and off of it, including the rape allegation).

    I had been a staunch supporter of Jameis all the way up to midway last year, and I still really like him–as a person! However, we really need to be more honest with ourselves than to claim he’s this great QB who is held back by an awful franchise! Sure, there is a lot of truth to that last statement, but A LOT of Winston’s problems are his own and they will prevent him from ever being an elite or even great NFL QB.

    I still will defend him against the blatant and unfounded personal attacks–he is a good guy just a VERY flawed QB. PERIOD.

  70. Ndog Says:

    So to all you guys that want a new QB what part of this team is going to help him succeed? What unit are we going to lean on? This is a 100% serious question.

  71. Brandon Says:

    All I know is that I’m glad we are going into our bye week. My soul needs a break!!
    In years past, I hated the bye week, because I loved watching my Buccaneers. I’ve been a die hard fan for over 20 years and it’s getting harder each year to find something to get excited about with this team. It just crushes your soul when the team you love just keeps disappointing you every year.

  72. Tye Says:

    No o-line can be asked to hold blocks longer than 3 seconds nearly every other play…

    ‘Anyways, one of the best comments I’ve seen is offer to trade him to the Steelers’..
    Get something for him if he hasn’t already destroyed his value (at the least he has massively depleted his value)… Role with Griffen until Gabbert (who knows this system) can take over… He is not the answer but neither can be any worse than JW!

  73. Brandon Says:

    I said it last year and I’ll say it again this year………where is the heart of this team!!!!

  74. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    I don’t know what part of the team he is going to lean on but what we can hope for is that whoever the QB he isn’t going to have such a godawful game he needs to be benched every 4 games.

  75. TSmitty3000 Says:

    No team is trading for Winston when he can become a cheap backup this offseason.

  76. DB55 Says:

    WalkdaPlank Says:
    October 14th, 2019 at 10:48 pm

    Not only was Jameis benched for tossing 4 INT’s to a lackluster Cincy defense, but Fitz came in and proceeded to carve up the same lackluster defense and almost singlehandedly won the game that Jameis threw away. That game doesn’t prove Fitz is a great QB, but it does prove that Jameis is not a franchise QB
    Ironically just 2 games later the exact thing happens. Fitz throws 3 straight interceptions in 3 straight drives. Winston comes into the game down 24-7 and leads a comeback 35-38. Game ended with a Hail Mary pass to Evans that got picked off.

    Selective memories indeed.

  77. Ndog Says:

    Exactly what I thought but you will still expect him to carry this crap show. You made my point, when you expect a QB to do it all himself this is what you get. But non of you morons can seem to get that. Good night jackwagons

  78. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    Winston loses far more games for us then games he carries this team to victory. I don’t know where this narrative that Winston puts this team on his back comes from. he loses us more games then he wins.

  79. Jmarkbuc Says:

    I’ll say it again, for the slow people….(Ndog)

    Don’t draft a QB until other things are in place..unless you wanna take a flyer on a fifth or sixth rounder….

    First round QBs are just as likely to be busts as anybody else…

  80. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    The narrative that Winston carries his team comes from that 2013 FSU season. You know, before the college playoffs and Alabama wasn’t ranked number 2 because they lost to Auburn on that Miracle Kick 6 play.

    Winston had a good game against Auburn with the most talented cast in college at the time and people haven’t hopped off his nuts since then.

    Winston was a liability the next year and got embarrassed the first year in the playoffs against Mariota and his Oregon team. 2014 is when the Turnover Machine was created and moulded. Winston has also been a turnover machine every single year in the NFL. But at least he won the weak ACC in 2013 and beat an average Auburn in the BCS, so he has that going for him.

  81. BrianBucs Says:

    Can’t wait for the Glazers to wise up and sack both Licht and Winston

  82. Ndog Says:

    Our Defense is averaging giving up 30.8 points this year.
    Our running game is averaging less 100 yards per game.
    Our punt return unit averages 2.8 yards per return.
    Our team is averaging allowing 304 yards per game dead last in the NFL.
    Our passing game is 7th in the league with yards per game.

    Yet despite that everyone thinks our problem is the QB and keep in mind these same people say our oline sucks. So how is it our oline sucks, it does BTW, yet the passing game is the ONLY part of the team that has any success?

  83. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Defense has horrible field position due to turnovers and pick 6s. Explains points per game.

    Running game can’t get going when down by multiple scores due to the turnover machine. Jones has actually ran and had explosive runs called back due to penalties.

    Passing game is racking up stats in 4th quarter garbage time.

    Other teams have crappy O-Lines yet nobody can meltdown quite like Winston does. Redskins Alex Smith had 3 scabs blocking last year yet they made due. Deshaun Watson has a crappy O-line. Matt Ryan got sacked a ton last year only threw 7 INTs.

  84. NPRSageBoy Says:

    After this season he’ll be someone else’s problem.

  85. Jmarkbuc Says:

    Garbage time yardage….

    Yards don’t win games, points do.

  86. Ndog Says:

    Correct points win games so you probably shouldn’t give up 30 a game to Daniel Jones, Teddy Bridgewater and Kyle Allen.

  87. ModHairKen Says:

    The only thing Ken can conclude is that Jameis is not very good. He’s Testaverde and Dilfer all over again.

  88. Ndog Says:

    So TOs contribute to the worst pass defense in the league?

    Plus what happened in the Saints, Giants and Rams game when Jameis had total TOs? Remember that 500 yard passing day they gave up or the great 18 point lead they blew at home to a first game rookie?

    You guys truly are idiots. So who you going to blame next year if they do move on?

  89. Ndog Says:

    Oh Ken you mean the Vinny that went 15-1 with the Jets?

  90. BucsFan76 Says:

    QB is one of many problems on this team. Notice how I say one. It does need to be fixed. QB and center are the only 2 positions that touch the ball on every offensive play. Let’s be honest, getting rid of Winston won’t make the Bucs a playoff team. Too many issues with the secondary for that. What it will do is eliminate the QB giving away 5 or 6 games ever year on his own. Trust me, I have deep reservations with Licht being allowed to make a decision on a QB. He’s a complete failure as a GM. But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. (Please see allowing Licht to draft for 5 years)

  91. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Points win games so you probably shouldn’t give 14 to the 49ers by throwing directly to their team.

    We lost 31-17 Winston was literally responsible for that. Winston is directly responsible for 2 losses this year and could be argued that he played (or lack of playing) a part versus the Saints loss.

  92. unbelievable Says:

    Jmark I’m not sure of it either, but we’ve seen it happen with plenty of other guys (including a few quarterbacks). Plus that would just be so Bucs…

    A lot of people have said give him an average defense, and average run game, or an average o-line and he’d be great. And I think that’s true, but unfortunately we’ve never given him any of those. Run game and o-line appeared to be on track the first few weeks, but that’s fallen by the wayside.

    BTW Evans dropped at least 3 balls that hit him right in the hands, and was called out by the announcers multiple times for quitting on routes. OJ had a few drops as well.

    Not great play from any of our 1st round picks…

    Oh well, just a few more years of rebuilding and I’m sure we’ll be on the right track. I mean it’s only been about 12 years since we were relevant, what’s a few more lol?

  93. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    What happened versus the Saints? Winston disappeared for 3.5 quarters and padded his stats by throwing a late touchdown. Winston also threw for barely 200 yards versus the Panthers.

    Only good game was versus the Rams and he still threw a pick 6 that game. Giants Winston disappeared during the second half and threw an INT to kill a drive.

    Licht probably keeps the secondary intentionally terrible so the #WinstonDefenseForce always has an excuse for his biggest No. 1 draft bust

  94. unbelievable Says:


    “what happened versus the Saints?” Uh, our o-line got blown up in under 2 seconds almost every single snap. Cmon man open your eyes.

    I agree with you on the niners and Panthers game 2 (though even coach said 2 of those INTs in the niners game were the fault of the receiver / running back, and NOT Jameis).

    But the Saints game? No the whole offense played poorly. No QB in the league could have won that game with how much he was getting hit and beaten. Our o-line stayed in LA cuz they’ve been MIA ever since.

  95. Ndog Says:

    So let me get this straight you don’t want the ball turned over, which he didn’t, and your number 1 WR could not get open, which everyone admitted, you couldn’t run the ball and you couldn’t block their rush yet the QB is supposed to still outscore the oppenent that is getting a cool 30?

    Do you guys even hear yourselves, you literally are sounding dumber by the second?

  96. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    It’s not like there was a lack of trying to turn the ball over versus the Saints. Multiple interceptions either dropped or taken off the board due to penalties.

    I’ll say it again. Winston has had only one good game this season.

  97. Ndog Says:

    Bucs vs Giants

    Winston 380 3 TDs and 1 pick and got us in position to hit a chip shot FG. Yeah those are the kind of games you should lose at home to a first time rookie QB at HOME!

  98. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Nothing is ever Jameis Winston’s fault. Ever. He’s a god among men. Tom Brady polishes Jameis Winston’s cleats before every game. Jameis Winston only throws to the other team and fumbles to the other team because he feels sorry for them. Poor mortals among a living legend. Also he tastes like a cherry lollipop


  99. Ndog Says:

    See Walk I’ve never said that but that’s what you are left to resort to when you are presented with facts you can’t refute. Suck it loser I proved you wrong yet again!!!!

  100. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Versus Giants. Disappears completely in the 2nd half. Well not completely he does kill a drive with an Interception.

    The opposite of clutch.

  101. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    It’s funny how with 14 seconds left versus the Giants and a touchdown left, the QB whisperer would rather trust shakey Matt Gay than have Winston take a shot or two into the endzone. That’s what happens when nobody can trust your turnover machine QB.

  102. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Excuse me:

    14 seconds and a timeout left.
    The QB whisperer had more faith in Matt Gay who missed 2 PATs earlier in the day.

  103. ATLBucs Says:

    Joe!!! I totally agree with you. When defenses put the heat on Jameis, he nuts up. I think he went into this game jittery knowing two of his starting O-linemen were out. I do question why we didn’t see more screens and check-downs to running backs.

  104. BucsFan76 Says:

    Does anyone think Winston is consistently accurate? I’m not talking one-offs, like the drop by Evans. I’m talking, in general, is JW accurate?

  105. WalkdaPlank Says:

    You haven’t proved anything wrong loser haha Jameis sucks and I wish he didn’t but he does. No matter what cherry picked stats you try to pluck out of thin air he will continue to hand the other team the ball and overthrow 6’5” WR’s and take unnecessary sacks and throw the ball wildly when under pressure when other QB’s with terrible O-lines don’t do the same, and continue to singlehandedly lose games for us just like the Carolina and Cincy games.

    Nice try Ndog you can keep comparing him to Peyton Manning and Brett Favre and Tom Brady all you want but the fact is you care more about winning arguments about how Jameis sucks than you care about the Bucs winning. Good job buddy send me a postcard from wherever you’re cheering for your precious turnover machine Jameis Winston and his new team next year!

  106. TampaTown Says:

    Maybe half the sacks were due to the fact we only had half an O-line

  107. DB55 Says:

    Jameis Winston THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK IN THE HISTORY OF THE BUCCANEERS is better than Peyton Manning and Brett Favre and Tom Brady at this point in his life.

  108. Destinjohnny Says:

    To be an elite qb is a god given gift that jameis doesn’t have
    Yes he can play qb at the nfl level
    Is he top 20…no

  109. DB55 Says:

    He was top 10 just last week.

  110. Anonymous Says:

    Joe cannot explain why Jameis isn’t playing the mental game he’s being coached to execute….but many devoted fans can. It is because one of weaknesses has always been the mental aspect of his game. He makes bad decisions at the worst times…as the commercial says it what he does. AND as far as difficulty believing he’s not coach able? You don’t think the subject of not fumbling, not throwing interceptions hasn’t been brought up ad nauseam by every coach he has ever had?

  111. lambchop Says:

    “Joe cannot explain why Jameis isn’t playing the mental game he’s being coached to execute.”

    Call it like it is and stop sugar coating it, Jameis Winston is a dummy. He thinks he’s a pseudo leader who has to steal GMC’s kimono and save the day.

    I hope Jameis is gone even with any miraculous MVP-like performance from here on out because he clearly does not know how to be a consistent passer in this league. There are so many younger QBs who understand how to play within the system who are better than our QB.

  112. lambchop Says:

    Let me clarify for the feeble minded nut huggers: Jameis’s mistakes stall or kill drives. We are willing to replace CBs, DEs, LBs, RBs, OL, but no anything but the $h|tty QB! We will eventually get all the wannabe DBs benched and hopefully find some real talent. Nobody’s crying that MJ Stewart, Mike Edwards, or Jamel Dean aren’t getting a fair shake at keeping their job, right?

    Jameis Winston is a sunk cost at this point. They say the definition of an idiot is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Think on that.

    I would rather have a game manager than a game saboteur at this point. We don’t need a hero, just get the ball out to the open target and let those guys ball out. Stop wasting our F-ing receiving weapons! Everyone’s up in arms that Evans dropped a ball? What about 7 sacks, 5 Ints, 1 fumble lost? We can accept that?

    Be gone Jameis. We don’t need a stat warrior. We just need competence at the QB position.

  113. lambchop Says:

    Jason Licht has to go and if BA is gonna be a lil punk and leave because of that, good riddance. We want people who want to get this sorry ash team out of the Gawd dang sewer without an ulterior motive of employing his entire coaching tree in one shot. I mean how sorry is that? The largest coaching staff just shat on themselves in London and almost had 2 bone head game management decisions in prior games that could have taken the game away from their players. We don’t need experiments with a new OC at our expense. This organization and fanbase has been through enough BS.

    I’m so done with people passing on by collecting a check and cashing out. It’s time to flush the toxic waste from the top down and get some football IQ into this organization.

    I don’t know if BA is relying on sports science more this go around, but what exactly does he do? He has given the OC job to BL, DC job to TB, some real-time game management and pre-game prep decisions to sports science. I mean is he just a glorified pimp?

    Where’s the accountability chart on the draft picks?

    The Glazers are the least of the problem. They have 0 football IQ and don’t meddle, but unfortunately the people they hire have full rights to ru(i)n this team. They better get smart about hiring for football IQ and not flashy names.

    We need people like Tom Coughlin, Bill Cowher, or Jimmy Johnson involved. I’m not saying they need to be coaching, but we could use their experience and guidance to steer the ship the right way and utilize the money at positions that make a difference. People who can evaluate talent. People who don’t think the 2nd and 3rd round is for eeny meeny miney moe and reaching for potential. Stop trying to outsmart yourself, cuz it doesn’t take much to outsmart stupid.

  114. BucsBandit Says:


    I’m so tired of hearing this excuse for Jameis… “oh but we have no running game… that’s why he hasn’t played well…”


    Doug Martin rushed for over *1,400 YARDS* in Jameis’ first season and Jameis produced a whopping SIX total wins. SIX.

  115. lambchop Says:

    7 DBs in the first 3 rounds in the past 4 years and not one stud to show for it <——– this is why the Bucs suck! So many teams get better through the draft piece by piece. The Bucs find a way to get worse wholesale like Cheerios at Costco.

    This organization has thrust no names into a higher draft order than they deserved or could handle. SMB and Dean had no business being drafted where they were and they have to be our saviors? Carlton Davis has regressed from last year. That is ENTIRELY on coaching. You don't go from being a bright spot to being burnt toast over a season.

    We have wasted draft picks in droves at ONE skill position and we still failed to get it right!

    Don't tell me VH3 is an above average Nickel, when we don't even have a CB1 and CB2. It's really comforting knowing that we have Russell Gage and Austin Carr on lockdown while Julio and Michael Thomas run footloose and fancy up and down to the point of boredom!

    I mean even someone throwing a dart at Mel Kiper's draft board could get more F-ing studs in the draft than the Bucs.

  116. UKbuc Says:

    I suppose the London game shall be his last? Or might the organization just leave him in knowing they will lose and subsequently be in a better position of drafting his replacement?

  117. Bruce Blahak Says:

    What is so confusing, Joe? He, is not, and will never be, a “good” QB. 5 frickin years of excuses and “Siberia’s QB” baloney….He doesn’t have it, plain and simple. New QB needed in Tampa Bay, end of story

  118. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Move On . Bucs !

  119. Bucsfanman Says:

    Culprits in order of importance:

    Glazers- Leadership starts at the top
    Licht- GM and architect of an awful roster

    You can stop right there because everything else is filler. Bad decisions, bad leadership leads to bad roster and bad team.

  120. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    DB55 Says:
    October 15th, 2019 at 1:05 am
    Jameis Winston THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK IN THE HISTORY OF THE BUCCANEERS is better than Peyton Manning and Brett Favre and Tom Brady at this point in his life.
    Sutter Creek , California mining leases cheap !…analogy

  121. Anglican Says:

    JW has “the curse of the uber cooch”. That’s why he has the bad luck

  122. BUC CHEEKS Says:

    Jmarkbuc Says:
    October 14th, 2019 at 10:23 pm

    A toxic team makes the fan base what it is, not the other way around.


    THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! I eat sleep and breathe BUCS footbal, they just torture me every single year. IT SUCKS!!! and it’s EMBARRASSING.

  123. BUC CHEEKS Says:

    Hopefully my comment is awaiting moderation because I left an “L” off FOOTBALL… My bad, I must be getting used to EATING “L’s”

  124. Negative Nancy Says:

    He’s just a rookie so he’s going to make rookie mistakes, be patient. OH WAIT

  125. mark2001 Says:

    So there you have it.. when the pressure is on, all composure goes out the window…and he freezes like a deer in headlights.

    And that folks…all the other things being pushed aside, is why he will likely never be a franchise QB for anyone. When the greatest pressure to perform cranks up, he gets frazzled, throws bad balls, locks on to receivers, and fails to throw the ball away or protect it. It isn’t unique to Jameis….more aspiring NFL QB’s suffer the same fate than not, and that is a big reason why so many fail to rise to the top of their profession.

    I don’t know if with proper coaching during his formative years in college and early in the pros, he could have changed those things, but I fear it is too late now. Blame that on who you wish, but if I’m right, we will see more games like the first and last games he has played this season, in the next ten games. And he won’t be back next year.

  126. America's Disgrace Says:

    Well, this won’t bode well for the Jameis Nuthugger Narrative. Joe, you seriously don’t understand or can’t explain why Jameis isn’t getting the mental part? He is not intelligent enough. I think we all know that and simply avoid to address the elephant in the room. He will soon be a back up or in the CFL , but he will perpetually be infamously known as: America’s Disgrace!

  127. Pewter power Says:

    Out on Winston. I’ve been a defender and dont really hate the dude it’s just at some point the game and the stats, the wins it all tells a story so theres no need to defend from the idiots. After 5 years you should not be taking that many sacks and throwing that many interceptions. Carolina ain’t that good. Besides it’s a divisional opponent who you should know their personnel better than any other in the nfl. Out on Winston dont love him dont hate him but if you cant be a difference maker after all these years then next man up, I dont even want to wait until next years draft but I’m sure that idiot licht is so scared of the unknown he’ll resign all his guys just to avoid finding out what this team can be with a different qb

  128. Aceofaerospace Says:

    Winston will be some team’s backup quarterback next year. He is not reliable, never has been, and after 4+ years starting, he’s proven he never will be. His problem is not lack of confidence. His problem is he thinks he can complete every pass every time. He may not be stupid, but he’s too stubborn to coach.

  129. RustyRhinos Says:

    Hey DB55 have you ever watch this QB play every game he has several passes that are just like this just change the name of the receiver, or the ball location three feet away, above, in front of, or behind almost every pass. “Heck he threw a ball into the dirt in front of Scott miller’s feet, he NEVER does that.”

  130. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    It’s really simple. The Panthers concentrated on blocking Winston from stepping up in the pocket, allowing their guys to get to him from the sides.

    In military strategy, it was a pincer movement.

    And it worked.

  131. UKbuc Says:

    I was recently introduced to this site by an American attending a Bucs pregame event. He did warn me that some of the blokes on this site are so blinded by the love of their love for the starting QB and this blindness often times creates very poor conversation. With that being said, the NDOG chap is either related to the QB or quite possibly very much in love with another man. But the later would be ok if NDOG was a lady.

  132. chris L Says:

    so you say you think he cant handle the pressure and you want to keep him? he is not clutch at all and does not make up for his boneheaded mistakes. every time he gets me with some good play but this has to stop. i want him to succeed so badly but i dont see it happening when this keeps happening. no elite quarterback plays like this.

  133. Bradinator Says:

    If Jameis plays as has for the last 5 years, there is no way the Bucs can keep him. From a financial standpoint or a team standpoint. No QB can withstand 5 losing seasons in a row. That is just a fact of the game. Like it or not QB is the most important position on the field, and the one that takes a lion’s share of the blame for losses. A less than 50% win/lose ratio in 5 years is something you see journeyman type QBs have. From a financial standpoint for the Bucs, how many season ticket holders do you lose and how many Jameis jerseys are going to sell? National TV exposure? Not likely. No one wants to pay money to see that same tired act. That sack/fumble on Sunday, that was Classic Winston. Could you picture any QB that has gone to the SB, in the last ten years do that? That’s the problem. If the goal is to win the SB, you need a QB that doesn’t do things like that. 5 years in and when it happens we aren’t really surprised. That is the sad fact.

  134. A Train Says:

    Is 100 TD passes worth 88 turnovers?

    I ask in the strict football equation, if someone offered you 100 TD passes over 4 and a half season in exchange for 88 turnovers during that same period, would you take it or do you think that is way too steep a price?