The Consensus Fear Factor

September 4th, 2019

For years, Pro Football Hall of Fame voter Mike Sando has interviewed a significant group of NFL executives and asked them to respond candidly to questions about other teams.

Of course, Sando types up choice nuggets or consensus reports on the answers and upholds his promises to these NFL suits that he won’t release their names.

Sando now works for the pay-per-view website The Athletic and he churned out a new piece highlighting executives’ concerns about each club. His summary response about the Bucs can be summed up in two words: America’s Quarterback.

Sando chose a long quote from one of his mystery panelists to illustrate fear of Jameis.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

The worry: Jameis Winston is not reborn under a new head coach.

“The fear is, you just did new deals with your head coach and GM, but you could be at the crossroads next year because of the quarterback. There have been signs in the preseason that Winston has the same bad habits he’s had all along, no matter how much it has been preached, no matter how much technique he has been taught, no matter what has been built into him by the new staff. My concern is that he reverts to his old habits during games – mechanically, just forcing the ball, turnovers, all that stuff.”

Joe feels comfortable saying Team Glazer has no “fear” about Jameis. If they did, he would have been gone when he was labeled a sex offender by the Roger Goodell court of the NFL last year.

Also, Team Glazer should have no “fear” of Jameis having a rough season. If it happens, it happens. That’s football. Bucco Bruce Arians has established a quarterback incubator in Tampa with himself and Byron Leftwich, Tom Moore and Clyde Christensen. Is there a better coaching group to groom a rookie QB in 2020?

Joe’s not worried about the Bucs and the quarterback position. Running back, defense and offensive line are another story.

56 Responses to “The Consensus Fear Factor”

  1. 813bucboi Says:

    after dirk and smitty, i fear nothing!!!!!!!

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  2. SB Says:

    I took Matt Gay in the 16th round last night in my FF league. First time I have a Bucs kicker since the Aquayo debacle.

  3. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    As someone who writes under the “Joe” pen name and constantly cites unnamed sources on the Ira podcast I don’t think you can throw shade on other journalists for using anonymous sources as well. There is no shade thrown here. You might want to re-read. –Joe

    After 56 games Jameis is who he is and will only be better if the ball is take. Out of his hands with a improved run game or a d that can give him more chances

  4. Ndog Says:

    There have been signs in the preseason that Winston has the same bad habits he’s had all along, no matter how much it has been preached, no matter how much technique he has been taught, no matter what has been built into him by the new staff.

    Yes look at all of those TOs in the preseason or heck even all those near picks, yeah this guy nailed it.

    Is this dude high or is he like everyone else just says crap that are bold face lies and is not held accountable for anything.

    To be clear zero TOs in the preseason, which I agree means nothing, but to say that has still been a problem in the preseason is just a flat out lie.

  5. Ndog Says:

    Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:
    September 4th, 2019 at 10:03 am
    As someone who writes under the “Joe” pen name and constantly cites unnamed sources on the Ira podcast I don’t think you can throw shade on other journalists for using anonymous sources as well.

    After 56 games Jameis is who he is and will only be better if the ball is take. Out of his hands with a improved run game or a d that can give him more chances

    You mean if you don’t have to throw as much in know situations your opportunity for TOs goes down?

    Wow you can learn, we see something new everyday. See I knew you would get there one day Loyal welcome aboard to the having a brain gang.

  6. Buc1987 Says:

    IMO given everything.

    His play, and his off the field BS.

    In order for the Glazers to dole out that HUGE contract Winston will have to have a Mahomes-type season.

    He’ll have to play lights out the entire season….and even then…even then.

    I just don’t see Winston returning next season. Which is why I smh head at all his daily critics on JBF. The kid is gone anyways, but they continue to pound away with the same old nonsense.

  7. 74 Bucs fan Says:

    “Fear, Problem, Blame – Jameis” – God Lord Joe – we are Bucs FANS and I’d be nice to come to this here site and read something positive. No wonder the Trolls love this site so much. Just depressing. I get it – someone said something negative about the Bucs and you must report it, but come on! I find myself going to other sites more often now just so I’m not subjected to so much negativity and dark forecasting. There’s loads of positive stuff about the Bucs here daily.–Joe

  8. The Buc Realist Says:

    no team “fears” the game manager qb’s deep ball, that is for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    4 day away from the buc’s rocketing up the mock draft boards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the ‘real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  9. T REX Says:

    Rude awakenings. That should be this year’s theme.

  10. Pittsshore Says:

    You can’t teach a dumb dog new tricks. TankforTua

  11. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Tua will be a bust

    Win, no need to tank Licht is bad on his own to get a top 5 pick

  12. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Pittshore….Jacob Eason….he should be the pick if the bucs get to blow up the team

  13. Pittsshore Says:

    And always, always remember: ignorant people get flustered under pressure. This is so very evident in JW. Point in case, how does he do in the red zone? This is the ultimate pressure for an NFL quarterback, trying to score touchdowns once they enter the red zone.

  14. DB55 Says:

    People forget that JWs best year was his first year before he got infected by the ignorance of buc fans and the buc org.

  15. ChanEpic Says:

    Wait, what did they see during the pre-season that I did not? I saw JW tucking and not fumbling, not throwing SUPER dumb ints, and generally showing a more mature attitude. I know he’s an easy target but some of his press is just plain, uninformed.

  16. NO FEAR... Says:


  17. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    DB55….yeah, Winston’s deficiencies are OUR fault. Nice take.

  18. Capt. Reality Says:

    Should taken Will Grier this year. Jameis still has a chance to get paid by the bucs but he has to ball out this year. 8 wins minimum or he is gone. And people are not going to be knocking his door down with 30 mil like some think.

  19. ChanEpic Says:

    @Pittshore:2018 redzone stats (inside the 20) attempts: 30 completions: 50 comp%: 60.00 yards: 281 tds:15 interceptions: 2 (inside the 10)
    10 18 55.56 68 9 1

    inside the 20 15tds / 2 interceptions, inside the 10 9tds/1 interception.

    Do you people watch the games, or just read and regurgitate?

  20. DooshLaRue Says:

    Yes sir, all those coaches to help a QB.

    Good news for a QB who actually listens to them and wants to learn.

    Great news for Ryan Griffin!

  21. ChanEpic Says:

    I’m convinced Doosh and Pitts are the same person, and as such, doubly not worth reading or engaging with. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE JOE’s update your commenting area to include blocking people who say the same things over and over and over again.

  22. Lamarcus Says:

    Why does Bucs fans and media let everyone talk alot of crap about our team? It’s justified I get it but this our sh!t and we know what’s best and what to expect. I’m tired hearing about these outsiders and we allowed it.

    I’m not even excited about the season for first time of my life. Maybe I should stay away all media stuff next time.

  23. DB55 Says:


    I’d say yes. The man went undefeated through HS and college then he gets here and loses 14 out of 16 games. Use your brain Sir use your brain.

  24. Bobby Says:

    We’ll know soon enough about Jameis. I think he’ll have a good year with all the weapons. The O-Line scares me but we’ll see.

  25. D-Rome Says:

    Joe feels comfortable saying Team Glazer has no “fear” about Jameis.

    If that was true the Bucs would have given Jameis the big money contract extension. Goff and Wentz did not have to wait for their deals because those teams already *know* what they have in their QB. By not extending Jameis there has to be fear and doubt on the Buccaneers side.

    People forget that JWs best year was his first year….

    I agree that his best year was his rookie year. I’ll never forget the home game against Atlanta. I don’t know where that guy went, the guy that took control of the team and willed it to win, but it’s silly to blame the fans. Fans have no power to impact the game time performance of a player.

  26. BucsBandit Says:

    Arians will be the END of Jameis Winston’s career, you watch.

    Arians will not put up with Winston’s accuracy issues and bad-decision making. He’s giving him the benefit of the doubt for now, but his patience will wear thin soon enough.

    By about Week 9, Jameis will probably be benched for good. Arians will be fed up with him and the Glazers will concur with the move (as it’s the transition towards not resigning Winston).

    2020 Is A New Buccaneers Era. And it begins without America’s Turnover Machine.

  27. Buc1987 Says:

    NO FEAR… Says:


    Wow that’s a good one Nostradamus….

    No shyte!

  28. BucsBandit Says:


    The fact that the Bucs haven’t already locked up Winston for a long-term deal speaks volumes about how little faith the Glazers have in him.

    Barring a miracle, lights-out season by Winston, he’s as good as gone.

  29. Buc1987 Says:

    BucsBandit …5th year option….TWENTY million dollars…FOR a REASON.

  30. chris L Says:

    whoever said this is clearly biased and not watching the games. the jameis i saw (although not great with his deep passes and jittery feet caused by our o-line) was one that did not try and force balls downfield and huck them up like he has been known to do and also not fumbling or randomly just doing something stupid with the ball. the quote saying he has seen him do the same things is absolutely wrong because he didnt turn the ball over.

  31. thisisouryear!! Says:

    I think it really depends on if Winston buys into Arians philosophy. Taking what the defense gives you is never what Winston or Koetter have done. If Winston can read the defense at the line and decide where to go with the ball immediately, I think he’ll do well.

    And I think he’s football smart. In my opinion, after he has had a bad game, he has tried to correct it. It seems to me that he has always played better after he makes too many mistakes. I think this time may be different because he has BA pointing out things he needs to change.

    I believe in BA. Go Bucs!!!

  32. Bird Says:


    You don’t think it’s teams getting tape on a quarterback and learning their tendencies so they know what to attack in year 2?

    Come on man. Put down the spliff today
    And I didn’t claim fitz was some great QB in the post before.
    Read it again. There is a double standard though for # 3

  33. Buc1987 Says:

    “There is a double standard though for # 3”

    Bird….. just wondering.

    Double standard from whom? The media? Some small handful of fans? DB55?

    Officer Barbrady?

    Just wondering.

  34. BrianBucs Says:

    With Winston, you will always get a lot of very good mixed in with a lot of very bad.
    Winston is who he is and no coaching from anybody will change that.

  35. Colonel Angus Says:

    Sunday can’t come soon enough.

  36. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Jameis first year was successful in part because Koetter simplified the offense.
    Koetter basically cut the field in half to help Jameis and give him less progressions to read. And DB55, Jameis was not undefeated in college. You forgot the 59-20 loss to Oregon.

  37. Pittsshore Says:

    It was a 10 million dollar Uber ride.

  38. Pittsshore Says:

    Make that 100 million

  39. Old Sombrero Kid Says:

    America’s Turnover Machine

  40. DB55 Says:

    You don’t think the fans have anything to do with that? Lol you’ve just been calling him an untrustworthy criminal for the last 3 years

  41. DBS Says:

    I am not a big fan of Jameis. But this idiot was not watching the team with the ugliest uniforms in the NFL to come up with this. It looked like it may have happened on one play that our new OC was not happy about but we are not sure. I think BA did address that play.

  42. Tval Says:

    Tua and will Grier. Bwahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! Both are TRASH!! What happened to Mariota being your savior “Pitt”?? RHETORICAL. 🙈🙈😝😝😂😂🤤🤣🤣🤣
    Arians and Jameis is a 3 year experiment. Grow accustomed, dummies.

  43. Jmarkbuc Says:


    Pretty narrow take.. High school ball ain’t pro ball..neither is college.

    The same bad habits he had at FSU, he brought to the pros. Fans haven’t “done” anything to JW, except bitch about him on websites.

    Guess we should put all fans on the waiver wire so JW isn’t looking over his shoulder, feeling intimidated?

  44. Jean Lafitte Says:

    There’s no real drama to speak of this time before the start of the season so it has Joe out of sorts a little, and apparently it makes them a willing participant to create or manufacture drama. It’s in their nature. Evidently they feel it drives their own success. Keeps readers engaged.

    Man, Sunday can’t come fast enough ..hopefully there will be some positive reading ahead after we beat the 9ers.

  45. DB55 Says:


    Keep the fans and the losing traditions. Get JW on the next Uber to NY.

  46. Jameis’ next door neighbor Says:

    All of you Jameis haters are just like Now and Laters, comes in all colors and flavors.

  47. jmarkbuc Says:


    I would be ok with that if he doesn’t perform this year..right now

  48. July Joe Says:

    Neither Arians nor Leftwich believe Jameis needs to be “fixed” … both love his game … those Buccaneers “fans” who bash Jameis are simply no-nothing goofballs, who deserve to be laughed at rather than listened to.

  49. Pittsshore Says:

    Rankings for 2019:
    JW aka Apples McGoo. 24th ranked QB
    The Bucs team: 29th
    In a nutshell: you will always have a terrible team when you have a terrible QB. There are some one-offs but those are usually associated with an injured QB trying to tough it out or a tenured QB playing past his prime.

  50. JimmyJack Says:

    This silly arguing about Our QB will begin to evaporate in 3 short days. Nothing said here changes anything only results will.

    We either gonna be winners or losers. Stats be dammed Winston will be judged accordingly. He either leads us to winning or losing and whichever way that goes it will silence half of the extremists.

    Continuing to argue about it at this point is futile. But have fun ya got 3 more days.

    GO BUCS!!!

  51. Bob in Brandon Says:

    I know I’m not the only sick and tired of the JW hating. Arians know he has always been surrounded by a garbage team, no defense, no running game. Turnovers happen to the best when you are always playing from behind. At least in Tampa, we should take our collective heads out of our asses and back the best QB this franchise has ever had.

  52. JimmyJack Says:

    Bob don’t worry the haters will be silenced this year. Todd Bowles will bring us the defense you’re yearning for. The running game might take some extra time but will be more competent then last year.

    This will allow Winston to focus on moving the sticks, taking what’s there & making positive plays. Couple that with a game plan that will setup much easier reads then the seven step & survey plays that we are used to and we will see much better QB play then we have. More importantly we will see wins as a result.

    & With each win the haters will evaporate.

    Of course it could go the other way in which case the nugglers will evaporate but that won’t happen bro.

  53. orlbucfan Says:

    Hey Joes: you need to update the photos. That one is old.

  54. Rod Munch Says:

    Clyde Christensen was so bad he got Tony Dungy fired.

    That’s what I will always remember him for.

  55. Losinghope Says:

    Glazers have” no fear “?!?!! Wow that’s a joke. If that were the case he woulda been resigned/extended. There is ABSOLUTELY fear. The only reason he wasn’t cut for doing dumb sh*t is bcuz he shows flashes of being a good qb. He does just enough to keep u hopeful but overall he’s failed. Has anyone else noticed that all respectable journalists give proper assessments of jw3 but when “Joe ” speaks jw3 is great? Dude u can’t be taken serious OUR QB IS SUSPECT!!!

  56. WestChap Says:

    Some chuckle-worthy comments… I, too, fear nothing after Koetter and Smitty! BA has made nothing but unemotional, logical decisions so far… shipped out GMC while landing Suh, gathered a bunch of familiar Arizona faces and only kept the good (Buchanon and Barrett) while cutting the bad (Ellington), handed out some feel-good opportunities in TC and only kept the ones who fit (Hudson) while waiving the pre-season wonders (Schnell), made his own judgments when separating the resurgent (VH3, RoJo, Gholston, Cappa) from the busts (Spence)… and stuck with some players/salaries (JPP and Brate) who many begged to have auctioned off to fund some fresh meat on OL. Bucs made progress as a team no matter what happens. I’m no JW apologist but, like BA, I’m all-in for at least one more year. Let ‘er rip!