Rising Up The Charts

September 16th, 2019

Do the Bucs have one of the better quarterbacks in the NFC South? After this weekend, you can argue, yes.

The NFC South is the richest of quarterback divisions. Three quarterbacks own MVP awards and all three have played in Super Bowls, one has a ring. It is (was?) a division where a No. 1 overall draft pick was considered the worst quarterback, even though he once played in a Pro Bowl.

That is how high the bar is set.

After what we saw the past few days, perhaps America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, is the No. 3 quarterback in the NFC South, maybe No. 2.

It is fair to suggest either there is something wrong with pouty Cam Newton, the Stinking Panthers’ quarterback, or that all the hits he has endured in his career have caught up with him. He sure looks closer to retirement than a quarterback in his prime.

Then yesterday Saints quarterback Drew Brees, a certain Hall of Fame quarterback, tore up his right thumb and was unable to grip a football. He is scheduled to see a hand specialist in Los Angeles and scuttlebutt in the NFL medical community suggests he will need surgery for torn ligaments.

Brees is 40. That’s a bad combination — 40 and requiring surgery for frayed ligaments in your throwing hand.

So Joe believes it is fair to suggest Jameis is the No. 3 quarterback in the division, and until Brees returns and returns to form, could be the No. 2 quarterback in the division.

61 Responses to “Rising Up The Charts”

  1. Lheew Says:


  2. Casey Morgan Says:

    Funny, Joe. Winston is 5th best in NFC South– behind backup Bridgewater…

  3. WestChap Says:

    Not the way a football fan wanted to see this year go for Brees given how they were robbed last year. Bucs may benefit but I would have preferred to see Bucs rise up and beat all comers at full strength. Go Bucs.

  4. Todd Says:

    Matt Ryan is playing more poorly than Jameis.

    So, as of today, we have the BEST QB in the Division!

    By default.

    But heck, I’ll take it!

  5. Todd Says:


    “but I would have preferred to see Bucs rise up and beat all comers at full strength.”

    Oh HELL no!!!

    I’m bathing in the misfortunes of our competitors!

    No virtue-signaling for me! Go for the jugular while their down!!!

    Screw that White Knight BS!

  6. Nick Says:

    @JOE, can we just let JW have ONE complete good season. Just ONE.

    He has not been very good and thats just the truth.

  7. RustyRhinos Says:

    We will see soon enough if this is true. Results do speak volumes, we can’t get to any division title, or say it ain’t so postseason talk without Results. Results = Wins, not yards, spectacular plays, or talk about potential. Need to see the reality in the Results = Wins!
    Then and only then should Winston climb any best QB ladder in our Division.

    SHOW ME! Don’t talk about it, SHOW ME!
    Anything less is what?
    GO! BUCS!

  8. ocala Says:

    At this point you would have to say yes.

    If Jamies can be consistent he will be considered elite. The problem is he has not been consistent in the past. Hopefully BA gets him there.

  9. Joe Says:

    @JOE, can we just let JW have ONE complete good season. Just ONE.

    Throwing for 4,000 yards (twice) ain’t good enough for you? 🤷‍♂️

  10. Greg Says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong Joe but I believe Winston still has more turnovers than anyone else in the division. Let’s not over blow 200 yards and one touchdown. Those statistics are not going to cut it against the big boys. Winston played smart but still has to learn to play smart and put up over 30 a game for us to be competitive

  11. Rob Says:

    Stop with the hilarious nonsense that the human ATM (America’s turnover machine ), one time alternate pro bowl participant (due to injury to the more deserving quarterback) Jameis Winston has moved up in the division as a leading qb. I’d take Bridgewater over the ATM any day. Sad when it takes a perfect defensive effort to get a road win. The ATM didn’t turn the ball over and alas, we won. Pray the real ATM doesn’t show against the Giants and we will be 2-1. Thank goodness for Bowles. Go Bucs!

  12. ben Says:

    Please try to keep it real…..Even if you are in love

  13. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    This week sets up perfectly for a bad jameis week, the bucs should destroy the G-Men, but as a bucs fan this has happened too many times

  14. Jim Says:

    Thru attrition…

  15. diggler Says:

    Joe Says:
    September 16th, 2019 at 9:27 am
    @JOE, can we just let JW have ONE complete good season. Just ONE.

    Throwing for 4,000 yards (twice) ain’t good enough for you? 🤷‍♂️

    ^^^Respect level now 0 for Joe/s after this post. Just here for the laughs.

  16. Stanglassman Says:

    Nick-That’s what the Philly fans are still asking of Wentz. One complete season. First one he got injured, last year he wasn’t that good because of injury rust and got injured again, last night he looked awful. You understand what you’re asking for in JW rarely ever happens to any Qbs. Even Hahomes had a couple of bad games last year. Bill B. goes heavy run on half the teams they play and asked little of the Goat Brady.

  17. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Throwing for 4,000 yards (twice) ain’t good enough for you?

    When Jay Schroeder & Scott Mitchell did it back in the 80’s & 90’s I wasn’t that impressed; because they both were garbage QB’s.

    Especially now days how QB’s & Receivers are benefiting bigtime; from the new rule changes. So no biggie.

    By Comparison:
    —A running back rushing for 1,000 yards in a 16 game season
    Is really that impressive?

    Turn yards into “W”‘s that all I care about.

  18. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Granted Both Schroeder & Scott Mitchell only did it once.
    But in this type of vertical system (ala Air Coryell) – when you’ve got the kind of weapons Jameis has – yards come easy

  19. Fartman Says:

    He really is set up… if he can’t win with a run game and a defense, then he’ll be fresh out of excuses…. He still holds the ball too long

  20. Says:

    Lol title

  21. ClodHopper Says:


    When I was about 20 I cut the ligaments between my hand and thumb. It took over a year for me to grip hard enough to open a pickle jar. I was 20.

  22. Easy Says:

    Brees is gonna miss a few game. Let’s see if Jameis can put together 2 good games in a row against a horrible NYG team.

  23. Slugglife Says:

    Todd- 100%. Nobody makes excuses for us

  24. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Until he strings together 3 or 4 good or better performances in a row

    He’s the 4th best qb

  25. GetOverIt Says:

    Winston is garbage.

  26. BucsBandit Says:

    You know your QB sucks when big supporters of him are touting his improved ranking only because much better guys ‘ahead’ of him get hurt.

  27. Defense Rules Says:

    Better picture of Jameis Joe. Some of your others made him look like either a doofus or a gangster. Do you have a separate file of Jameis photos for when the Bucs win?

  28. Cgmaster27 Says:

    @loyal, it has nothing to do with them being hurt. Cam has been a garbage qb his while career outside of one year. Matt ryan has been vastly overrated and had a wonderful 3 pick game last night. The only qb better is brees and now hes Injured. I love how you all pretend scam is any good. His only talent through the years is being bug and running the ball, and look where that got him.

  29. Easy Says:

    Brees is out 6 weeks per Rappaport

  30. Pittsshore Says:

    Drew Beees to have thumb surgery. Out a minimum of 6 weeks

  31. mark2001 Says:

    Joe…think you got your headlines mixed up. This one should be “A test for Jameis Winston” this weekend. He scored a “D” in the first game, A “B” in the last one. Lets hope for a “B” or an “A” this weekend.

    And Joe…for the record…though Romio doesn’t know what the word “egregious” means, there are multitude of EIU grads that do…right? My wife does, though she has been lucky to have been exposed to me, an ISU grad, for almost 40 years. LOL.

  32. NOSBOS Says:

    I wonder what Brad Johnson would’ve ranked over the last few years lacking a rushing attack and an a all tune great defense.

  33. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Yes, DR
    The premise of this article could cause people to smile and look sideways at
    the writer as in the above picture.

  34. DB55 Says:

    Can’t wait til jameis go to another team and lights the nfl up.

    If Mahomes were the Bucs starting QBs who here thinks he’d have the same if not similar stats?

  35. BridleOaksBuc Says:

    Obviously, depending on the severity of the tears, I’m going to venture Brees is out 8 weeks. It’s a very difficult rehab because it’s a very delicate repair. Protocol on that is 8 weeks minimum. If he rushes back too soon, he can blow up the repair. Aints want him in week 19+, not necessarily week 9. (BTW, I owned a hand therapy clinic for many years. Had people come directly from the operating room to my clinic everyday…just sayin’)
    Go Bucs!!

  36. 813bucboi Says:


    JW aint going no where as long as he played like he did Thursday…..and that wasnt even his best game…..he, like CAM, missed opened throws….

    BL is smart enough to not have JW throw more than 28 times per game….

    we good bro….

    you must have lost some cash thursday….lol…

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  37. mark2001 Says:

    Mahomes has pinpoint accuracy on the deep ball, and is tremendously elusive. His receivers are as good as ours…he hasn’t been in the league that long so he doesn’t have Jameis’s experience. He does have a better running back, but his O line had plenty of penalties in the Oakland game, so they weren’t that impressive. And many of his big throws weren’t from a pristine clean pocket. His downfield vision is excellent. So I’d say a little worse than they are in KC…but not too much. Better than Jameis? Yes. But Jameis can be a better QB in this system than Brad Johnson was during our SB years. So he can be good enough to get the job done with a great D and a solid running game.

  38. Bucsfanman Says:

    Oh, the hilarity!
    Only bi-polar Buc fans could come up with this stuff! Yes, by default, Jameis is now no longer the worst QB in the division………YAY!

    Lets see what Jameis’ does for the rest of the season. I mean, so far we’ve had one bad game and one game where he didn’t make a mistake and played well enough to win. That’s hardly a big enough sample size to determine anything.

  39. mark2001 Says:

    Mahomes…5 throws over thirty in a row… 28 point straight. Pretty impressive. And the throws weren’t “jump balls”…they were all right on the money. Did you see the first half of the Oakland game? I’ve never even seen Rodgers, Brady, Elway, Namath, Staubach, Marino, etc… throw the ball that well in a string like that.

  40. Swampbuc Says:

    Matt Ryan stunk it up last night. If Jameis did that it would be pitchforks and chanting mobs. Jameis playing like he just did on Thursday would propel him to best QB in the division given the recent events.

    Now all he has to do is play that way consistently. (And with a little help from two drop Perriman and an Evans back to his best self, that Panthers game would have been over long before the last goal line stand. )

  41. Lord Cornelius Says:


    Mahomes is on another level and same with that offense in general. I remember thinking Aaron Rodgers in his prime – SB winning year – was the best QB play I’d ever seen but this is right there if not better.

  42. mark2001 Says:

    Agree Lord..AR has been impressive for years. When up north, I see him play weekly during the season. And have for years. He still is a cagey old vet that can read and move a D, find the open man, and at times, deliver the ball in the tightest of windows. Don’t think any team can feel they aren’t seriously threatened with less than a eight point lead, with two minutes to go in the game, when AR or Braday have the ball. This Mahomes cat is the closest I’ve seen to that kind of play in years… and he might be better.

  43. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Yep ,six more injuries to top QB’s and Joe will have Jameis in the top ten.
    Not trying to pick on Jameis, but Joe should know Jameis play is the only
    measure that will propel him to be a better QB.

  44. RyJo(e) Says:

    Yay other-dudes’-misfortune!!!!! I mean, thoughts and prayers, and all that s(p)it…

  45. Tval Says:

    Lord Cornelius must be 12. Aaron Rodgers is the best you’ve seen? Ever hear of Montana, Marino, Young, Kelly, Moon etc.?

  46. mark2001 Says:

    Bob… that is it. I think Jameis can be a major factor in becoming a playoff and possibly a SB winning team…with a great D, solid running game, fine receivers, and a fine offensive line. I’m just not sure which Jameis will show up from week to week. If he can play consistently at a level like he did last week, a “B” grade if one is interested in such things, I’m all for that big contract extension at the end of the year.

  47. Anonymous Says:

    With Drew Brees being sidelined for half the season, now we truly get to see what a pedestrian receiver Michael Thomas actually is.
    Godwin>Michael “Pedestrian” Thomas

  48. SmoothBayRider Says:

    @Joe . Might want to double check how many Qbs have been league MVPs. It is hard to believe , but Drew Brees has not won a league MVP . Super Bowl MVP , but not league MVP

  49. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Is he rising up the chart or is the chart sliding down?

  50. mark2001 Says:

    Tval…I’ve been watching for sixty years…and yes…AR is one of the best we’ve ever seen. Not taking anything away from those other guys… but all around…he might be. Yes…better than Young, Montana, Marino, Kelly, Staubach, Aikman, Favre and Moon.

  51. Eric Says:

    Jameis has a lot better quarterbacking in him than he has showed the first two games.

    I can only hope it is the new system.

    Some glimmers like the sideline pass to Evan’s and the td to Godwin.

    But overall need a whole lot more.

  52. mark2001 Says:

    Quick aside Eric and point to be made…

    One time a tennis announcer was talking about how great a player could have been with all his athletic talent he possessed, but he failed to live up to. The former player announcer said, that is not so. That statement is short sighted. Athletic talent is only one part of the equation… the mind…ability to learn and process, and the heart, to maintain poise and overcome adversity and work ethic, is every bit as much of the makeup of an athlete as the physical attributes.

    The point is that most do become what they are in their totality. When we only look at one part of an athlete, we are missing much of the big picture. Jameis does have the athletic talent… I hope he has the rest, can play consistently, and become our SB winning QB of the future.

  53. America’s QB Says:


  54. jmarkbuc Says:

    @JOE, can we just let JW have ONE complete good season. Just ONE.

    Throwing for 4,000 yards (twice) ain’t good enough for you?


    I guess win they start giving W’s for passing yards, that will be good enough.

    And being the first or second best QB in the division based on other QB injuries is kinda like getting to the Pro Bowl because nobody else wanted to play…Oh wait…

  55. jmarkbuc Says:

    Damn Joe..

    My post wasn’t offensive…or was it?

  56. July Joe Says:

    Jameis is the BEST QB in the division at this exact point in time, as Brees is on the shelf.

    1. Jameis
    2. Ryan – interception machine w/ Koetter so far
    3. Newton – looks like a shell of himself & JW has been a better passer for the past 3 years anyways when you look at the stats
    4. Bridgewater – strictly a game-manager but Sean Payton’s system will help

  57. Ptwalk Says:

    I think the wet field might have affected the game a little, It might be why the TD was dropped, who knows. I saw some players lose their footing too. And yes 200yrds is a little something, considering the conditions.

  58. Anonymous Says:

    With Big Ben out, wouldn’t it great to trade Jameis the human wasteland to PIT for say, a second round and fourth round next year? We could use that to trade up a draft real QB. Bucs will finish 3-5 wins. So may not be enough to get first overall, but the Bucs 1st, and 2nds would be, and they can use the extra cap space to continue building. Since we’d then have a QB worth protecting, could even spend all that cash on the O line.

  59. Anonymous Says:

    Dumb thing to write. Just like Winston is still the #4 QB when he’s suspended, he is the #4 even when Brees and Cam are injured.

  60. Jameis Almighty! Says:

    Jameis Is the best QB in the division!

  61. Bucsace Says:

    We’ll be getting a better look at Bridgewater now that Brees is out indefinitely, he might give Jameis a run for the money as best QB in the in the NFC South