Leftwich Stripped

September 23rd, 2019

Offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich endured a strip-sack by his head coach late in the fourth quarter yesterday.

These aren’t Joe’s words; it was Bruce Arians talking in a postgame interview that most fans didn’t hear.

The head coach did his usual spot on the Buccaneers Radio Network last night and talked about the Bucs’ 3rd-and-2 call on the Giants’ 5 yard line with 6:48 remaining and the Bucs leading 28-25.

The Bucs had been pounding the rock, six consecutive runs to Ronald Jones, in fact. Leftwich had taken the ball out of Jameis Winston’s hands after an interception closed the previous Bucs drive. And it was working.

And then in came Bucco Bruce Arians.

The next call was his; he pulled an override/overrule on Leftwich and regretted his decision to seize command and temporarily defrock his playcaller. Arians repeated that today with different language.

The play was a run-pass option, with Jameis in the shotgun, of course. Peyton Barber got the call and Jameis put it in his gut rather than keep it. Barber was stuffed running left and Arians said the blocking broke down.

What Arians did not say was that Leftwich agreed with the call.

Here’s what Joe knows: The Bucs are paying Jameis $21 million and Mike Evans is in the same ballpark. If you don’t want those guys handling the rock, then something might be off. And isn’t that the perfect time to run play-action with all those weapons?

Damn. The Bucs had two downs to put the game away there and they went with a gadget-type play to Barber and a field goal — at home.

150 Responses to “Leftwich Stripped”

  1. unbelievable Says:

    Bruce needs to decide whether he’s calling plays or not.

    2 weeks in a row he’s fked things up.

  2. LordCornelius Says:

    I really don’t know what to believe other than Tampa is cursed.

    Coaches and players come here and lose their freaking minds and all their confidence within a pretty quick span of time. This franchise is just a cursed piece of sh1t at this point until proven otherwise. Jason Licht also sucks and Mark Dominik was one of the worst GMs of all time. That probably hasn’t helped.

    Time for the real fans to come troll on the internet becuase that’s what this franchise is. A big dissapointing freakshow where the entire fan base has lost it’s minds and turning on eachother like a bunch of weird internet trolls. Where the “real fans” celebrate missing 3 gimme easy kicks in a game we should have won 99.9999% of the time. Cursed as f*ck team.

    Go BUcs lmao

  3. Bird Says:

    So they did admit to being concerned after interception ? And Wanted to run run and run some more. What happened to The trust tree that everyone was talking about earlier.

    Queue you know who x 2

  4. Bruce Blahak Says:

    and RoJo carrying the ball late with little ball security? it was time for Barber and hanging on to the ball… and you have the flashy guy running inside with the ball not covered up.

  5. Nick Says:

    You are making way to much of the play call override Joe. Every boss at times steps in while developing someone.

    The part about not going all-in with JW, I agree with 100%.

  6. Buddy Says:

    Grandpa Bruce already hitting the panic button?? Hahahahaha Bryon knows what to do just stay out of his way Bucco Bruce. You need to be more worried about the snitches on the support staff running telling on the players to Licht. Start with the #KluelessKoetter hires like the equipment manager cause the players know he’s a snitch. Video guy also is Dirks hire, TeamGlazer needs to clean house on all the support staff. Too many guys in that building that players don’t trust. NO EXCUSES BRUCE!!!!

  7. Pewter power Says:

    Lol you can question every decision they make especially when you sit on the sidelines and don’t do what these guys do and never have. He knows and has seen a lot of football at his age and it’s a coaches right to call whatever he wants, I’m sure defensive head coaches do it all the time. I’m sure this staff is aware they have more weapons than you mentioned. This is kinda being petty and sorry arse Dirk never got this level of criticism after 2 years let alone 3 games. The recipe for success is supposed to be obvious 3 games in having never used these guys?

  8. Cgmaster27 Says:

    Bruce has made some bad desicions the last 2 games. Almost cost us the Carolina game, and now this, along with the delay of game penalty. Let byron call the plays or you call the plays. Doing both is counter productive, and i hate an RPO play on the goal line. Jameis can run, but it’s not his game at all. And why was barber in there when rojo was barreling through the line all the way down the field?

  9. Destinjohnny Says:

    Bucs being the Bucs

  10. Slugglife Says:

    When the RB were able to get a full head of steam, the giants couldnt stop them. Make them dance horizontally and it was minimal gain.

    Bad game management all around on the red zone offense.

  11. SB Says:

    This game was NOT on Matt Gay. He made 4 out of 5 FGs and one from 52.
    We, as a team, were 1 out of 5 in the RedZone Again!!!!
    You can’t score 28 points on a team in one half and then score 3 in the second.

  12. Miller5252 Says:

    Makes sense now why that play was completely different and stood out like a sore thumb at the time…. Rojo was pounding the defense and here come Barber out of nowhere to get stuffed. Winston looked really comfortable that first half, but since the first game and every other quarter he just hasn’t looked like he’s sure on where he should be going or throwing to. Someone’s gotta make this simple for Winston so he can look more like that first half and keep feeding Rojo.

  13. danr Says:

    he said that leftwich was going to call that play or one similar anyway in his interview today.

  14. JameisHas2Go Says:

    So it is not uncommon for an head coach to call plays they like overriding an Offensive coordinator. This should not be seen as a reflection on Leftwich, that is the head coaches job to direct his subordinates on what he wants done. But this headline made me think that Leftwich was stripped of his play calling duties. If that had happened then we are in real trouble. Arians didn’t come back to run the offense, but to be a steady hand for the franchise and allow the assistance to due the heavy lifting. The offense stagnated for a variety of reasons in the 2nd half yesterday but play calling was only a small portion of that.

  15. Christopher Schiefen Says:

    Terrible headline. It conveys Byron lost his overall OC responsibilities.

  16. Hoopscam Says:

    Brate’s another weapon that they really aren’t using anymore. They might as well trade him for someone they will use and give Brate an opportunity with another team. They really didn’t need oJ but that’s ancient history. If you don’t use the player trade him.

  17. Cgmaster27 Says:

    Speaking of stripped and a  little off topic ,but if we are going to throw the ball to brate once a game, just trade the dude? Youre paying him 7 million for 1 catch a game. Hes not a consistant blocker and that attempt to get a first when he had to beat 1 guy was awful.

  18. Cgmaster27 Says:

    @hoopscam youre reading my mind

  19. Slugglife Says:

    Leftwing actually called a great game. He kept pounding them. Ultimately execution has to happen, but BA stepping in while BL is on a roll may have cost us the game.

    Then theres 2 shanked FG for 4 points. Bucs life.

  20. DBS Says:

    You can’t get them to understand that.

  21. Lamarcus Says:

    Leftwich blows!!!

  22. JimmyJack Says:

    They will get better at this. But they gotta start trusting their QB.

    The sencond half adjustments were atrocious. No flow was established and it was a direct factor to Winston playing off his game.

    Winston did not let the coaches down yesterday in mine opinion. They let him down. I do trust that they will learn from this but it needs to happen quickly…..like next week.

    Unacceptable performance in that second half when all we needed to do was sustain some drives. And the coaches did not but us in a position to do so.

  23. SB Says:

    Ain’t that the truth DBS

  24. Pete Mitchell Says:

    If Matt Gay hits that field goal, we aren’t talking about any of this.

  25. SB Says:

    What is really sad to me is I have to take the Rams next week in my Eliminator challenge. Double flippin’ whammy.

  26. SB Says:

    Pete Mitchell Says:
    September 23rd, 2019 at 2:41 pm
    If Matt Gay hits that field goal, we aren’t talking about any of this.

    If we had scored a flippin TD in the second half we wouldn’t be talking about any of this.
    If our secondary didn’t look like last year’s secondary in the second half we wouldn’t be talking about any of this.
    If we could actually score in the redzone we wouldn’t be talking about any of this

  27. SJ_Bucsfan Says:

    Who was the brilliant one that didn’t want to take at least one shot at the end zone from the 9 yard line to win the game! Whom ever it was should e stripped too!

  28. ChanEpic Says:

    No SB it aint the truth so let me get this take straight. If JW throws a pick a team loss is his fault (even if he had a lead in the 4th and the team gave up the lead and JW feels he needs to be superman).

    But if a kicker misses 2 EPs and a chip shot FG it’s a whole team loss? Do I have that right? For the sake of keeping the locker room together I can see players/coaches saying this but fans don’t have to worry about locker room chemistry. So every loss is a team loss and no one should ever be held out as the cause. If so, fine but let’s make sure we’re consistent with this rule.

  29. JimmyJack Says:

    Don’t do that SB. Not the smartest play. Dolphins Jets & Bengals playing bad football right now. Their matchups might be smarter.

  30. TampaBay AllDay Says:

    Make that kick and we’re not talking about half of this crap. We always have next to draft another kicker

  31. TampaBay AllDay Says:

    Oh didn’t know somebody already said that

  32. Coburn Says:

    My impression is aftwr his first game and reviewing his stats/tape they came to the conclusion once he throws his feet int it goes to his head Nd he throws them in bunches. Pretty sure if you look it up there’s something to that. Wanted to stop th at downward spiral.. but I mean.. after 6 runs yeah you gotta throw a pass at some point. You need to keep evans involved esp in red zone to out game away

  33. Tony LA Says:


    Wrong, buddy. Wrong

    Anytime in the NFL when a kicker misses two extra points and sub 35yd FG – he is THE goat. Period. End of story.

    Numerous national media outlets have named him the goat of the week.

    He sucked yesterday.
    He lost the game.
    Move on.

    End of story.

    I hope he gets better and more accurate going forward. I’m definitely rooting for the guy as I root for all the Bucs and coaches – unlike most of you on these boards and the site as a whole that seems to relish in the Bucs doing poorly so you can wallow in your misery fest.

  34. ChanEpic Says:

    I would also like to quibble with the armchair QBs analysis that the faith in JW is loss(or doesn’t exist). “The play was a run-pass option, with Jameis in the shotgun, of course. Peyton Barber got the call and Jameis put it in his gut rather than keep it. Barber was stuffed running left and Arians said the blocking broke down.”

    Let’s repeat, the play was a run-PASS OPTION. One more time for the cheap seats, a run-PASS OPTION. As in depending on the pre-snap look there is an option to run or pass it. So why not run a dive up the middle, or toss if all faith is lost on your QB? Why give him an option at that moment if you don’t trust? Honest question.

  35. Tony in LA Says:

    HAHAHA – called Joe out on his misery fest and got moderated.

    The truth hurts.

    Peace out, site. Deleting you from my feed.

    Later pathetic whiners.

  36. Buc4life Says:

    HAHAHA – called a certain someone writing on this site out on his misery fest and got moderated.

    The truth hurts.

    Peace out, site. Deleting you from my feed.

  37. TampaBay AllDay Says:


  38. ChanEpic Says:

    Coburn – not just evans, OJ and Brate have all proven to be money in the red zone, heck Coach Koetter’s offense was downright DEADLY in the red zone with Brate. Missed kick is the #1 issue with this loss, followed by a terrible call at the end by the coaches. I, for one, would definitely give JW a shot to throw it into the endzone to any one of our red zone beasts.

  39. NPRSageBoy Says:

    I’m tired of this BS. Burn the whole thing down ALA Miami Dolphins and start over. Enough is enough

  40. ChanEpic Says:

    TampaBay AllDay I know right?

  41. Mike10 Says:

    Ya it was evident that they took the ball out of Jameis’ hands, bc they didn’t trust him after that gawd awful INT.

    If you can’t trust your 5th year QB in that situation, then he just may not be the guy.

    Also, why a gadget play there? Didn’t they learn from Ron Rivera last week. It’s starting to get frustrating watching our team to continue to get out-coached, especially w a veteran staff.

    What’s going on here?!

  42. lowercaseg Says:

    Should’ve risked it for the biscuit and thrown it to evans with the fake spike.

  43. TampaBay AllDay Says:

    @Epic Forreal bro all this slicing and dicing. The point is we were put in position to win the game, it doesnt matter what happened before. And one single guy BLEW IT.

  44. Mike Johnson Says:

    Next up? The LA Rams. They will have no Mercy as my fellow fans will get a chance to see what a real pass rush looks like. Look out 1-3..Move out the way. Set the table cause We’s comin.

  45. Locked In Says:

    Caption for photo above: ‘what you talkin bout willis?’

  46. Aceofaerospace Says:

    I rest my case.

  47. D-Rome Says:

    No trust in Jameis. Simple as that.

  48. TampaBay AllDay Says:

    Who knows Gay’s twitter or Instagram….asking for a friend

  49. SOEbuc Says:

    That’s known as a “Koetter Classic” run. 3rd and 4 inside the red zone. Always results in getting stuffed or LOY.

  50. Buc1987 Says:

    Aceofaerospace Says:

    “I rest my case.”

    What case?

  51. SOEbuc Says:

    Trade JPP for a good RT right now. These RBs are breaking through more because the left side has played well. Give them another good option to find holes on the other side of the oline.

  52. Bradinator Says:

    We’re pretty much seeing what most experts had to say before the season started. We do not have the personnel to be a winning team. Outside of Barrett and David is anyone on this D “indispensable” ? This O-line, anyone a Pro Bowler? Anyone likely to be a Pro-Bowler? Evans and Godwin are the real deal, is anyone else on the indispensable? We have 53 guys active on the roster and only 2 of them are likely Pro Bowlers this year and before yesterday, Evans was suspect. Shaq Barrett isn’t suspect. I’ll keep watching just to see what the guy does for the rest of the year. It was fun to watch him. Teams that are going somewhere, they got personnel from top to bottom. We just don’t. It’s that simple.

  53. Todd Says:

    All I can say is that the game was extremely entertaining. Horrid outcome, but it was fun to watch. If Gay would have made that kick, you know that all of us in here would hv already watched the entire game three additional times by now.

    That said, I’ve lost my Gay Pride. You can keep the fu(king rainbow too. 🌈

  54. DBS Says:

    8 trips to the reg zone. 3 scores. 5 Field Goal. Someday some of you will figure out one of the main problems that exists on this team beside the defense. Yesturday was a perfect example. Score on 1 or 2 we win and not in the position to begin with. Even if we do win intelligence would have people asking what happened to this defense???

  55. DBS Says:

    red zone

  56. Aceofaerospace Says:

    Buc1987 says “What case”?

    The fact that after the boneheaded interception, the rest of the game plan changed because the coaches did not trust him. They only let him throw when there was no other option. Did I trust Gay to make that kick? After 2 earlier misses, no. I would have rather Winston throw 2 towering passes to Evans in the end zone where only he could catch it, then kick if needed. But the coaches trusted Gay more. That’s the case I’m making. You can take it as Winston bashing all you want, I’m just pointing out the obvious.

  57. ChanEpic Says:

    @bradinator – Godwin is pretty darn good too. Ali Marpet.

  58. ChanEpic Says:

    Your lack of faith is disturbing.


    FWIW: Over his career Winston is (6-9) in games decided by 3 points or less; while putting up Pro Bowl Numbers

    vs. Washington – (LOSS) 31-30 – 297 yards passing/ 2 TD/ 0 INT

    vs. Atlanta – (WIN) 23-20 – 177 yards passing/ 1 TD/ 0 INT


    vs. Carolina – (WIN) 17-14 – 219 yards passing/ 1 TD/ 0 INT

    vs. Kansas City – (WIN) 19-17 – 331 yards passing/ 1 TD/ 0 INT

    vs. Carolina – (WIN) – 17-16 – 202 yards passing / 1 TD/ 1 INT


    vs. NYG – (WIN) 25-23 – 332 yards passing/ 3 TD/ 0 INT

    vs. Buffalo – (LOSS) 30-27 – 384 yards passing/ 3 TD/ 1 INT

    vs. Lions – (LOSS) 24-21 – 285 yards passing/ 2 TD/ 2 INT

    vs. Atlanta – (LOSS) 24-21 – 299 yards passing/ 3 TD/ 0 INT

    vs. Carolina – (LOSS) 22-19 – 367 yards passing/ 1 TD/ 0 INT


    vs. Cleveland – (WIN) 26-23 – 365 yards passing/ 0 TD/ 2 INT

    vs. Cincinnati – (LOSS) 37-34 – 276 yards passing / 1 TD / 4 INT

    vs. NYG – (LOSS) 38-35 – 199 yards passing/ 2 TD/ 1 INT

    vs. Atlanta – (LOSS) 34-32 – 345 yards passing/ 4 TD/ 1 INT


    vs. NYG – (LOSS) 32-31 – 380 yards passing/ 3 TD/ 1 INT


    15 Game Total: 4,458 yards passing 28 TD 13 INT (6-9 record)

    Selected Tom Brady Pro Bowl Years:

    2001 – 2843 yards Passing 18 TD 12 INT

    2004 – 3692 yards Passing 28 TD 14 INT

    2005 – 4110 yards Passing 26 TD 14 INT

    Selected Peyton Manning Pro Bowl Years:

    1999 – 4135 yards Passing 26 TD 15 INT

    2000 – 4413 yards Passing 33 TD 15 INT

    2002 – 4200 yards Passing 27 TD 19 INT

    2003 – 4267 yards Passing 29 TD 10 INT

    2005 – 3747 yards Passing 28 TD 10 INT

    2008 – 4002 yards Passing 27 TD 12 INT

    Selected Drew Brees Pro Bowl Years:

    2004 – 3159 yards Passing 27 TD 7 INT

    2006 – 4418 yards Passing 26 TD 11 INT

    2009 – 4388 yards Passing 34 TD 11 INT

    2010 – 4620 yards Passing 33 TD 22 INT

  59. The Buc Realist Says:

    Buc1987 Says:
    September 23rd, 2019 at 3:09 pm
    Aceofaerospace Says:

    “I rest my case.”

    What case?

    Can the inaccurate game manager settle this on too?????? will that be the third???????? That would be another “franchise” record!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!

  60. Son of Kobe Faker Says:

    “My Dad and I still dont get it

    They didnt trust Jameis????

    They had him throwing deep non stop in the the 1st half!

    WTF is people looking at? non top deep passes to OJ and Evans

    pass after pass

    didnt trust him?

    the first half was scripted and JW ran the plays

    2nd half My Leftfoot started calling run run pass. sooner or later defenses will stop that

    last week 3-14 on 3rd downs

    this week 4-14 on 3rd downs and 1-5 on red zone

    thats playcalling 101


    watch what Marcus Peters and Talip on the outside and Darnold smashing the whole oline next week

    My Leftfoot vs Wayne Phillips

    Kobe and Son is the ultimate JW3 homers but

    next week Son of Bum Phillips is going to cause

    JW3 worst game in his NFL career”

    Son of Kobe Faker

  61. Lamarcus Says:

    Not trusting JW is the reason why we lost? Not a kicker to make a 34 yard kick?

  62. JimmyJack Says:

    Some of these kneejerk reactions are out of hand. Hear some people saying they done with the Bucs. This guy above saying burn it down.

    All cause of one missed kick? Jeez, I’m as mad as the next guy and still pissed off at that outcome. But step back from the ledge.

    Wake up and realize this is a solid freaking team. We haven’t seen solid football in a while. The blowout Era of this franchise is owner. Now get these guys a second to figure out how to close out games. No need to abondon ship over one missed kick.

    We might actually got a good football team this year and good teams get ticked off after they lose. The Rams game is gonna be another good one cause we gonna give em all we got. It’s gonna be a great test to see where we are at. Don’t be surprised if they let us sneak up on them at 3-0.

    Last time I checked seasons have turning points. This team is not mentally weak like last year’s team that let their turning point be a loss in week freaking 3. Calm down and vent right here. But don’t be giving up after 3 games. Thicken up and get ready for the next one.

    But if you that weak and can’t handle one missed kick I guess it’s ok. Just leave us to have at it. The bandwagon is always avialble for you to jump on as you please.

  63. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Prediction….next week at LA, Winston reverts completely to his true self. Three turnovers.

  64. ChanEpic Says:

    JimmYJack for President 2020!!!!

  65. Defense Rules Says:

    ChanEpic/Joe … “The play was a run-pass option, with Jameis in the shotgun” that ultimately led to a handoff to Peyton Barber… and a stuff. After SIX straight runs by RoJo following the INT for 37 yards total, and with it being 3rd & 2 yards (at the Giants 5-yard line) with a 1st down possible, I also don’t understand the call to Barber. RoJo ran RIGHT once for 5 yds, LEFT twice (for 20 yds), up the gut twice (for 10 yds), then LEFT again (for 2 yds). HE moved the ball from the Giants 42 yd line to their 5 yd line. Bucs had TWO downs to punch it in from the 5-yd line & were doing great running the ball (especially to the left side).

    So what did we do? We SETTLED for a FG that gave us a SIX POINT LEAD. Some folks have said the FG was a good call, but I disagree. There were 6 minutes left in the game, and we hadn’t scored until that time. But the Giants had … 2 TDs PLUS a 2-pt conversion. SETTLING for going up by SIX points, when we were effectively moving the ball with RoJo, isn’t consistent with BA’s ‘No Risk-It, No Biscuit’ philosophy. As we used to say ‘No guts, no glory’.

  66. A Train Says:

    For once, JW did exactly what we wanted him to do. He played well (overall) and led his team down the field to set up a game winning chip shot field goal that most HS and college kickers could make. The headlines should read “Winston Leads Bucs to Last Second Win”….this is all on the kicker, period.

  67. ChanEpic Says:

    Morgus the Magnificent – so even when JW isn’t to blame, a so called fan wishes, you can call it a prediction but it is a wish, he fails. Really? OK, I always want the Bucs to win but I want a win this weekend so baaaadddd. Not to throw it in the faces of Rams fans, although I’ll do that too, but to throw in the face of the weak minded self-hating Buc fans.

  68. SOEbuc Says:

    @bradinator-Whitehead. He’s a great second year safety.

  69. JimmyJack Says:

    Bradinator……Your point is very unclear but reality is that all teams have weaknesses.

    Just take the Patriots for example. They have SuperBowls with some very subpar offensive lines. Pretty sure the Bucs did the same.

  70. unbelievable Says:

    DBS Says:
    September 23rd, 2019 at 3:18 pm
    8 trips to the reg zone. 3 scores. 5 Field Goal. Someday some of you will figure out one of the main problems that exists on this team beside the defense. Yesturday was a perfect example. Score on 1 or 2 we win and not in the position to begin with.


    Or maybe the kicker just makes his extra points….

  71. ChanEpic Says:

    Defense Rules – I think it is too simple to say: Trust in Jameis was soooo lost that we can’t even chance a throw to the endzone even though we watched him TORCH the Giants with Evans all day long. I think this is an Occam’s razor situation. The team/coaches thought the game was won, remember JW’s fist bump when they got that long catch at the end? I think BA got too cute. Not scared, just too cute. If there is one thing we should be able to agree with it would be JW’s history in the red zone is VERY VERY good. Faith in JW’s red zone prowess shouldn’t be the issue. If it is, and I am not willing to concede that until I hear it from BA and/or see JW benched, then BA is no better than Lovie or Koetter. Actually worse than Koetter because his offense was lights out in similar situations.

  72. JimmyJack Says:

    I prediction Morguss prediction will be wrong. And just remember…..when yo wrong……yo dead wrong.

  73. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Yes, we wouldn’t be talking if Gay made the kick…..but we should be.

    We blew a 28-10 lead at home against a rookie QB with Saquan Barkley out.

    That we should be talking about…..

    And is there anyone happy with our offense scoring only 3 points in the second half?……we’ve seen this movie many times before.

    Can anyone else see that our red zone problems are due to us being unable to run and continuing to try it anyway….how many 1st or 2nd downs have been stuffed?

    Reason?……they don’t trust Jameis guys…..and Koetter didn’t trust him either.

  74. Adrnagy Says:

    I’ll be at rams game. Coliseum. Wearing Winston jersey. Go Bucs.

    Bottom line … coaches need to get it together be in the same page. But it’s 3 games with this regime I do believe will get it together.

  75. JimmyJack Says:

    Yeah just freaking trust the QB. That was a wussy way to call that second half.

    I want this freaking coach to either be all in or all out. No more trying to hide your QB BS.
    Man up and be willing to ride or die with your QB. Us fans sure are. Quit playing scared cause we seen enough of that in this town already. Use your whole freaking playbook and let the results show us what we got……..I can live with the answer. Quit hiding and let these players proove their worth. We are much better off in the long run knowing the answers rather then hiding.

  76. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    ChanEpic…..I blame the entire team, CrotchGrabber included. If he hits Evans in stride at the end…game over. But guys like you will defend him. Good for you. Enjoying FSU’s season?

  77. ChanEpic Says:

    Tampabaybucfan Says: Can anyone else see that our red zone problems are due to us being unable to run and continuing to try it anyway….how many 1st or 2nd downs have been stuffed?

    Reason?……they don’t trust Jameis guys…..and Koetter didn’t trust him either.

    JW redzone stats 2018:

    inside the 20: 50 attempts 30 completions 60% 281 yards 15 tds 2 INT

    inside the 10: 10, 8, 55% 68 yards 9tds 1INT.

    Koetter was clueless as evidenced by keeping coach Smith around. But NO ONE should lose faith in JW in the redzone, it makes no sense to do so based on his performance in those situations. That’s why I am not buying what you guys, joes included, are selling. It just literally doesn’t add up.

  78. DB55 Says:


    So the game was lost bc Jameis didn’t throw 7 TDs or 6 for that matter?

    I want to get this straight, 3 TDs in the first half not enough bc they went 1 for 5 in the red zone. So we needed to score 58 points to beat a rookie QBs?

    I know this sounds like a joke but this is what I understand based on your comment. Help me out here bro.

  79. ChanEpic Says:

    Morgus the Magnificent I’m enjoying the FSU season about as much as I enjoy watching JW haters crap on their own team, which is to say not much. If Jameis hits Evans in stride game over.. True but wouldn’t that have also been the case if we hadn’t missed 2 EPs that followed 2 JW TDs? I mean you can’t have it both ways here JW can either throw TDS, which he has and did, or can’t. But the burden of proof is on you, prove what you are saying is true. Go ahead and PROVE IT. Don’t speculate, or guess, prove it. You can’t because you’re just another jamoke like me.

  80. JimmyJack Says:

    TBBF if they cannot trust Winston then he should not be our QB. It won’t work that way.

  81. DB55 Says:

    Even if you score 2 DBS that’s 45 points.

    You saying we need 45 points to beat the Giants? Who else is scoring 45 points in this league?

    Lol, is this real life?

  82. Joe Says:

    Buc4life Says:
    September 23rd, 2019 at 2:51 pm edit
    HAHAHA – called a certain someone writing on this site out on his misery fest and got moderated.

    The truth hurts.

    Peace out, site. Deleting you from my feed.

    And then there is this:

    Tony in LA Says:
    September 23rd, 2019 at 2:50 pm edit
    HAHAHA – called Joe out on his misery fest and got moderated.

    The truth hurts.

    Peace out, site. Deleting you from my feed.

    Later pathetic whiners.

    Take a pick, which fraud gets banned? Maybe Joe should choose both.

    (You are getting run not for going after Joe, but for using two handles.)

  83. BucsBandit Says:


    Now do your analysis of Winston’s career so far VS. Brady, Manning, Brees during those Pro Bowl years for RED ZONE play.

    Go ahead, we’ll wait.

    SPOILER ALERT: Jameis Winston has been one of the WORST NFL QB’s in the red zone during his entire career.

    Forget him leading the league in turnovers since he came into the league (a very, very bad statistic)… let’s just stick with the Red Zone play…

    Weak QBs are EXPOSED in the Red Zone. There’s no other way around it. The passing windows get smaller, and Defenses have an advantage protecting a shorter field.

    The good NFL QBs still consistently find ways to score TDs in the Red Zone. Jameis Winston has not.

    Jameis Winston is just NOT a good NFL QB. He has racked up many yards, no doubt, but many here that have analyzed his entire career will tell you so many of those yards (certainly not all) often come in garbage time when the game is already out of reach and opposing Defenses play a softer coverage knowing the other team is multiple scores behind.

    Conclusion: Winston is NOT a good NFL QB compared to the average standard performance of starting QBs.

  84. Joe Says:

    Just ran Buc4life/Tony from LA’s IP address. Here’s what Joe found.

    City: Los Angeles
    Region name: California
    Country name: United States
    Life Expectency: 77.1
    Avg income: 30,575 USD
    Timezone: America/Los_Angeles
    Sub continent: North America
    Country code: US

    LOL Making $30k a year in Los Angeles. So you live in a YMCA shelter?

  85. BucsBandit Says:


    Continued… I forgot to mention… do the Red Zone analysis of Winston’s performance when the team isn’t trailing multiple scores do to his slow start. He’s converted in the red zone (many of the stats you posted above in 2018) when the team was behind multiple scores.

  86. JimmyJack Says:

    Bandit Winston was a good NFL QB yesterday and the week before by any standards.

    He led us on a game winning drive yesterday which is the highest standard QBs get judged on.

    He has to adjust to this new offense and put together consistency. Whether or not he is capable of doing that is anybody’s guess. But for right now the door is open for him to proove his worth. If he can do it your post will be rendered complete hogwash.

  87. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    ChanEpic…..use your reading skills buddy. I said “blame the entire team” but FSU lemmings like you always want to exclude CrotchGrabber from team blame. It’s ok…the team probably feels the same way about him (remember how he LIED to all of them that were on the team during the Uber “hassle”?) Glad you’re enjoying the FSU and Winston seasons. You’re in a small group.

  88. Ghost of Darrell Henderson Says:

    Just watched the BA presser and I am so disappointed that the Biscuit is sticking with the Gay kicker. We’ve seen this play out before. Kickers are a dime a dozen, a simple cattle call would bring in a dozen better kickers within 24 hours.

    Have a try out and pick the best. Did it help anyone when they hung on to Aguayo for so long? Many 5th round picks don’t make it. Remember, Snoop McPlaybook?

    Dirk got fired because he couldn’t fire Mike Smith when he needed to. BA needs to fire the kicker and give Gump his notice. I see failure here. I hate to say it but there are going to be a lot of fired coaches. The writing is on the wall.

    People like to point to Bill Belicheat as an example of success. Does anyone here think that BB would put up with this crap for another week? Cut the freaking kicker and save about 40 coaching jobs!

    Fire the Gumpster Fire today!

  89. Anonymous Says:

    The $21M QB can’t be trusted. He’s proved that. So when his own coaches don’t trust him, maybe it’s about haters wanting him gone? Hummm. And if Jameis fails, then Licht and BA are shown to have failed. So you have playcalling and game plans designed to make Winston look better than he is so his handlers save face. The fans suffer. Dump Winston, dump BA, dump Licht. Todd Bowles HC. Back to SB era. Game manager QB with tough D will get the job done.

  90. JimmyJack Says:

    So yes driving the ball to win football game supersedes any red zone statistics or whatever else you wanna throw around.

  91. Capt. Tim Says:

    They dont trust Jameis
    Because they know him.
    Daniel Jones looked great. Franchise QBs dont leave the game up to to kickers!
    Jones drove the team down and scored.
    1 for 5 in the red zone?
    That tells the story. The coaches do not trust our QB- and know they cant allow him to continue to look bad
    So they protect him

  92. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Belicheat would have already fired Gay today….and Licht a year ago. And he would not have drafted Winston.

  93. Anonymous Says:

    The Glazers paid for a HC QB whisperer (a joke) and got s golf-cart riding part-time surrogate who wants to leave his mark on the NFL. How long is the charade going to go on? Can Licht stop it? No. Arians OWNS him. Time for Marcie K. to kick them alo to the curb.

  94. JimmyJack Says:

    Ghost nobody is firing any coaches.

  95. Kgh4life Says:

    If the coaches don’t trust Jameis in critical moments of games, then he’s not their franchise QB.

  96. BucsBandit Says:

    JimmyJack – his 1st half was definitely great. But some of his play in the 2nd half to not finish off the other team was troubling. Football is a game of 2 halves. You can’t just play well in one and then stink it up in the other and expect to win on a consistent basis. NFL teams are too good for that.

  97. ChanEpic Says:

    Bucsbandit – lol comparing all time QBs with Super Bowl Caliber teams vs the Bucs QB who has had crap teams and coaching his whole career. You’re not making the right comparison. To be correct you would compare to other Buc QBs. Holy crap I can’t believe I have to explain that but wait a sec while I look up while I go and dig up the red zone stats for Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas and Jesus Christ and compare them to JW too. Lol lol lol. Also I did dig up some stats on pro bowl QBs and JW above you may want to check that post out.

  98. DBS Says:

    DB55 it was there for the taking like it or not. Yes it was possible. Only the Bucs could screw it up this bad. And I said 1 or 2 more. 8 trips and they can only get in the paint on 3 is ridiculous . this has been a problem for a long time and last year it was blamed on no run game and Koetter.

  99. unbelievable Says:

    HE moved the ball from the Giants 42 yd line to their 5 yd line. Bucs had TWO downs to punch it in from the 5-yd line & were doing great running the ball (especially to the left side).

    So what did we do? We SETTLED for a FG that gave us a SIX POINT LEAD. Some folks have said the FG was a good call, but I disagree. There were 6 minutes left in the game, and we hadn’t scored until that time. But the Giants had … 2 TDs PLUS a 2-pt conversion. SETTLING for going up by SIX points, when we were effectively moving the ball with RoJo, isn’t consistent with BA’s ‘No Risk-It, No Biscuit’ philosophy.

    @Defense Rules

    10000% this.

    Bucco Bruce is not being called Bullchit Bruce as far as I’m concerned, as we’ve seen this nonsense 2 weeks in a row. We narrowly escaped a loss against the Panthers.

    I thought BA was all about going in for the kill. That’s the complete opposite of what we’ve seen so far. And I call BS on them not trusting Jameis. He was airing it out non-stop in 1st half, and again on the last drive setting them up to win.

    Bullchit Bruce needs to remember where his balls are.

  100. Joe Says:

    JimmyJack – his 1st half was definitely great.

    Holy smokes, is Bandit sick? He gave Jameis some credit!

    This loss yesterday has everyone out of whack!

  101. unbelievable Says:

    *is NOW being called ^

  102. ChanEpic Says:

    Morgus, stop playing games child. My reading skills are very good. So good I can decipher your half arsed attempt at saying blame the team while also hurling out childish names at the person you really wanna dig. JW. Grow up and stop thinking because your friends and family are dumb enough to fall for you mealy mouth takes “I said blame the whole time blah blah blah”… I’m not that guy. As for Jameis’ season congrats on being a Bucs hater, because he’s your QB like it or not and if the whole team is to blame for a loss you hate the whole team for hating any member of it. Right? Pfffffftttt

  103. ChanEpic Says:

    *team not “time”

  104. JimmyJack Says:

    Bandit I understand but Winston led us to victory in that second half.

    If you wanna bring up the tale of two half’s that is a huge part of it.

    Yes things needs to get better as far as game flow and putting it all together for 60 mins. And the expectation should be to get better and better at that since we are in a new offense.

    If Winston can keep improving in terms of rhythm as he masters the offense and keep driving the ball when it’s most needed to win games we will win games with him.

    But it has to be consistent. Gotta let it play out.

  105. DB55 Says:

    Okay so now we need 45 points to beat a rookie QBs. Good to know.


  106. SteveK Says:

    Jameis was a boss in H1. H2 the offense was shut down?

    By year six with the GM and year five with the QB, I don’t expect to continue to lose by kicker and dumb ass coaching.

    This was supposed to be a win before a long ass road trip. If we lose the next six it’s because of our weak ass performance, at home, against a rookie making his debut.

  107. SteveK Says:

    Jameis should have been given the chance to throw in the RedZone yesterday.

    Aidan’s and Leftwich played coward ball.

  108. ElBajito43 Says:

    Said this already

    No trust in Winston and they did it now 2 weeks in a row with the lead.

    When you slow play the top pair on the flop, you can end up getting spiked on the river.

    Complete BS to run exclusively with no variety or pass attempts.. but no, all I heard was “Oh it’s called running out the clock ⏰.” Whatever bro

  109. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I’m going to say what I imagine a lot of fans are saying right now…


    Had the defense not given up the lead, I would have raised my confidence a notch. But sure enough, we lost yet another Ring of Honor game.

  110. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Ahhh, ChanEpic, I suppose I hit a raw nerve. Good. Clearly I typed earlier “blame the entire team” but poor wittle baby takes offense that Winston is (allegedly) part of the “team”……I’m so sorry….I’ll play nicer in the future. But today? Stick it buddy. His record IS what it IS. Make excuses all ya want, but that will not change. Here ya go….maybe this will make a wittle smile crawl across your garnet and gold face, and wipe away a tear…..WINSTON IS GREAT!! GREATEST QB EVER!!! AND EVERYTHING THAT HE’S EVER BEEN ACCUSED OF WAS ALL MADE UP!!! AND HE DIDN’T START A FIGHT ON THE SIDELINES WHILE IN STREET CLOTHES!!! AND HE DIDN’T GRAB THE UBER CROTCH!!! AND HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW KINSMEN!!!! AND HE DIDN’T STEAL CRAP!!! AND HE DIDN’T LIE TO HIS COACHES, TEAM MATES, AND FRONT OFFICE!!! ….there, better? Ok…now…..is he part of the “team” that lost? …or not? One thing is certain…he will never hoist a Super Bowl trophy.

  111. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    …ouch. But sometimes, ya just gotta…….

  112. DBS Says:

    Don’t be upset DB55 because Jones did exactly what you expected Jameis to do as a rookie. And that may be what it would have taken to beat him So you thought.

  113. DB55 Says:

    Hi I’m a dumbass Bucs fan and I expect ANY quarterback to consistently score 6-8 TDs to win a game.

    Never mind that the giants failed to score more than 17 points with a 2 time MVP and SB champion. Never mind that the giant receivers were WIDE THE FCK OPEN. NEVER MIND THAT A TE OUTRAN OUR FASTEST CORNERBACK

    you guys are so fckn ridiculous it’s not even real. Can’t be real. What kind of football did you people grow up watching? Rookie level madden games?

    Lmao, smh. Come back to reality people. Lmao I just can’t with you guys it just too much man. 5-6 TDs? Who is throwing 5-6 TDs a game? Go home you clowns are drunk!!!

  114. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Question……….if you had a choice, today…right now….who would you have leading your team….Winston or Jones?

  115. DB55 Says:

    Let’s see what he does next week when he’s not playing the Bucs brainiac

  116. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Fair enough

  117. DB55 Says:

    8 for 8 with 8 TDs and 800 yards.


  118. DBS Says:

    Let’s see what the Bucs do against the Rams. The only reason the Rams won was Baker Mayfield.

  119. ChanEpic Says:

    Morgus – YOU particularly haven’t hit a nerve, you do yourself way too much honor. But the daily garbage out of so called fans of this team is beyond anoying. You’re a proxy for all of the boneheaded Buc hating man children on this site. My post to you could be said to about 20 Buc hater posters on this site and be just as valid. That’s how unoriginal you people are. My posting style IS about challenging the collective dumb, not to mention the low class, mean spirited nonsense that springs off of your keyboards monotonously. DAILY. I’ve begged the Joes repeatedly to upgrade this 1999 version of a commenting section to add a block feature. I surely wish I didn’t have to make the points I make. Again and. Again and again. But alas, it’s a Bucs life. LoL.

  120. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    It’s spelled “annoying”…and obviously either I’ve hit a nerve, or you’re an emotional wreck. Pick one. Just curious….in your jaded view, Winston gets a complete pass? (on everything). And I doubt you are truly “LOL-ing”

  121. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    And great idea…..ban the posts you don’t like (or hide them). Amazing.

  122. 813bucboi Says:

    Headline should be arians stumbles….. BL was doing a great job up until that time…..

    On to the rams…


  123. DB55 Says:


    Does it even matter? Winston could literally throw 8/8 with 8 TDs and 84 points and the Bucs would still lose and you clowns would find a way to blame jameis. Lmao

    I just hope you guys get your franchise qb who will score on every possession with a perfect throw on each dropback with no blocking getting hit 20 times a game no run support and a secondary with more holes than Swiss cheese.

    It’s been 5 years and it’s obvious Jameis has had enough. I think Mike has too. I have too.

  124. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    DB55….Oh, you think Winston will demand at TRADE????? Hmmmm….

  125. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    ChanBuc another posturing knows more than you Stat Humper, conveniently overlooking wins and losses… say when has Jameis had a game equal to what Jones did yesterday… the Giants defense was playing last man standing and Jones was knocked silly yet still had the essence of a champion leading his team from 18 points down with 2 quarters to go.. yes Jameis did have a good game… yawn

  126. ChanEpic Says:

    Morgus- I hate that the Bucs lost. Yes. I also don’t think it’s helpful to say things like “crotch grabber” in the context of a football post. I think it’s a crutch of the unoriginal posters who post that kind of stuff all too often. But am I angry about this loss? You’d better freaking believe it. A KICKER didn’t make the 34 yard FG. What on Gods green earth does a crotch grabbing allegation have to do with any of that? You’re just trolling dude. Aren’t you a little old for that? If not, let me tell you. It’s lame.

  127. JimmyJack Says:

    DB55 nobody are even complaining about the QB today in case you haven’t noticed(Bandit don’t count for obvisous reasons).

    That’s because all’s we want is a winner ng QB and Winston did exactly what we needed to win that game.

    So save your obsession for another day when you can be relevant. Unless you got anything else to offer which is highly doubtful based on your body of work.

  128. down in the dirt doug Says:


  129. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    ChanLess-than-Epic, perhaps you should focus on this foundering/floundering team instead of me. My position is just too easy to support. But go ahead, and try to make hay by calling ME “lame” and “old” and “troll” and “unoriginal” and “annoying” and “boneheaded” and “man child” and “dumb” and “low class” and “mean spirited” and “monotonous” and “half arse” and “mealy mouth”….but you’re a class act. Right?? Epic indeed.

  130. BucsBandit Says:

    @ChanEpic – my point about “now compare JW’s Red Zone stats to those Pro Bowlers” is because YOU compared their other stats to his.

  131. lambchop Says:

    That’s funny cuz we have talked about how Koetter lost confidence in Jameis and that sabotaged him. More of the same. I don’t get it, if you’re not confident in him, why aren’t you replacing him? You have to stick with Jameis in these situations and make it a pass, qb run in that situation.

    We lost our $hit when Koetter ran 3 times in a row in a game. I guess the difference is, we’re actually running for + yards more often now?

    Too many cooks spoil the broth.

  132. BucsBandit Says:

    @DB55 – no one would blame Jameis if he were 8/8 with 8 TDs.

    BUT… some may criticize him if he had a good 1st half, led the team to a lead, then stalled the Offense in the 2nd half, had another turnover, continue to fail in the red zone, and didn’t put away a team they could have easily put away and not rely on a last second FG.

    Fair enough?

  133. BucsBandit Says:

    @JimmyJack – plenty of people are criticizing Jameis in the aftermath of that game. He mostly disappeared in the 2nd half and had yet another turnover.

  134. ChanEpic Says:

    Bucs bandit – understood and fair on the comparison QBs. And we can just agree to disagree that JW isn’t an NFL caliber and I’d point at his many records he holds in the NFL as proof. I’d also argue that we have to stratify for THIS franchise or similar when looking for direct comparisons. But I’d also say I’ve never ever said or claimed that JW is as good as Brees, Manning or Brady on a direct overall QB to QB analysis. That’s never been my true argument. It is plainly that I see nothing inherent in Jameis Winston that precludes him from succeeding at least at a Pro Bowl level of his bad habits are coached out of him. And that is what the whole Bruce Arians gambit is about right?

  135. ChanEpic Says:

    *if his bad habits…

  136. Dlavid Says:

    Joe ,you are so on the money on this one !been pounding it nice for 4,5,6 yard gains all second half then you get down there and pull that S*** ! The running game is working … ride that horse ! No razzle dazzle needed when the horses are getting the job done !

  137. Frank Pillow Says:

    Whoever made the call and for whatever the reason it was an asinine decision to go away from the hot hand. BA can and should own the entire mess. It’s not hyperbole to call this one of the top ten worst coached halves in Bucs lore. The nonsense explanation of the delay of game alone (much less the act itself) should damn near be a terminable offense.

  138. Ndog Says:

    So the people that complain about Jameis say he starts slow, welp first two drives two TDs, they say he’s not accurate, welp 62% comp%, they say he can’t hit the deep ball, welp he hit 4 deep balls alone in this game, they say he’s not clutch, welp he lead us to the 8 yard line only needing a FG to win in 1 minute and 12 seconds. So in conclusion Jameis you must be perfect at all times and even then your not guaranteed to win but don’t worry it will still be your fault.

  139. down in the dirt doug Says:


  140. Bobby M. Says:

    Its a bit puzzling that we rode Winston successfully in the first half, then come out and go into a shell in the second half. I dont get why they didn’t just curb stomp the Giants the entire game by sticking with what was working. Part of me thinks Arians is knocking off some coaching rust, maybe even feeling some pressure to deliver as the “QB Whisperer”. I think as a professional and previous coach of the year he takes great pride in being able to deliver for the owners but he might be overthinking things. The whole delay of game scenario made no sense. The kicker was literally the same distance where he was struggling….Just keep him close and kick it through with no thought put into it. If the head coach is thinking that way, the rookie kicker is going to be 10x worse.

  141. Son of Kobe Faker Says:

    “We are in a strange strange situation

    unheard of, unbelievable, but true


    Cant he just be the Head coach who calls plays like any offensive minded hired coach in the NFL. This is the same man that said he would never not call plays if hired



    This cant be true, not in year 2019

    unbelievable but true”

    Son of Kobe Faker

  142. DB55 Says:

    welp he lead us to the 8 yard line only needing a
    Let’s put it like this the entire nfl nation knew the Bucs won at that point except for Bucs fans who knew he’d miss that kick.

  143. BucEmUp Says:

    Arians needs to assemble the weekly game plan and call all the frieking plays

  144. unbelievable Says:

    BucsBandit think Jameis “failed” in the redzone when they called 3 running plays…

    JFC and you wonder why we call you a troll and an idiot.

  145. BucsBandit Says:


    Just to clarify… I think Jameis can be a serviceable NFL QB. But he would rank, in my opinion, somewhere in the 25-32 ranked starting QB range and I just don’t see him getting much better than that. He is who he is at this point in his 5th season in the league.

    In cap terms, which is critically important in the NFL today, I think Winston is worth $15M/year MAX. And herein lies the problem… if they’re going to extend him then they have to pay him $30M+/year. On the open market I don’t think any other team would pay him that, but the Bucs are in a tough position because he plays for them and his contract is coming up.

    I have said, for over a year on this site that we can’t afford to extend Winston at $30M+/year. He’s just not worth that kind of money and it will force the team to be weaker in other areas where the cap difference could go.

    This is the nature of the NFL. You either pay your 5th/6th year drafted QB top dollar, or you have no choice but to start fresh and draft someone else that will play for a fraction of the cost for their first 5-6 years.

    In my opinion, and many others, it’s time for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to end the Jameis Winston Experiment and move on to someone else.

  146. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Bottom line is it was not Jameis, or even Matt Gay who cost us the game. It was the defense.

    But that’s alright. Even the Monty Kiffin defense had issues playing a full 60 minute at the start of a few seasons.

    I came into the season saying they’d have to earn props, and that isn’t changing. At least I’m consistent. Most of you predicted 6 wins or less this year. Now you complain when one of the 10 losses you predicted come along?

    The true rollercoaster is the Bucs fandom, lol.

  147. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Oh, and how many of you little traitors were at the game wearing blue and cheering for the visiting team? Hmmn?

  148. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Oh, and how many actual coaches and players (and owners) are traitors to the Buc fan base?

  149. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Morgus the Insignificant, nothing you say matters, so you may as well not waste you time with me, lol.

  150. Billy_45 Says:

    I was telling at the TV run Play Action.

    Just as much Jameis’ fault for not taking the rock man.

    3 points meant NOTHING too.

    Should have STILL gone for it.

    That’s a losing mentality with the new coaches too.

    Guess the Bucs rub off and not the other way around.