“Hopefully They Dumb The Game Plan Down For Thursday Night”

September 8th, 2019

Mentally speaking, America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, does not look like the quarterback the Bucs need him to be.

An ex-Buccaneer working for the Buccaneers clearly sees that and served up a harsh suggestion.

The heavyweight analysts on the Buccaneers Radio Network, former Tampa Bay tight ends Dave Moore and John Gilmore, were not happy with the play of Jameis in the season-opener tonight.

As usual, Moore went into great Xs and Os detail about Jameis’ screw-ups, and Gilmore was a little more plain-spoken.

That fourth-quarter intentional grounding call against Jameis, when he stood in the pocket and fired the football on a flight path to Oldsmar while under duress, it had Gilmore shaking his head.

“Is he trying to hit Tim McGraw? Things like that from a five-year quarterback, you can’t have that,” Gilmore said.

He took it a step further and said it’s time to radically overhaul the plan for the Panthers in four short days.

“Hopefully they dumb the game plan down for Thursday night, lean on the run,” said Gilmore, who was impressed by how offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich played the hot hand in running back Ronald Jones late in the game. Gilmore also suggested pounding the rock with Jones might have been a reflection of lost trust in Jameis.

Is this what it’s come to, the Bucs needing to “dumb the game plan down” to play a division rival in Week 2? Joe sure hopes not. Joe hopes Leftwich and Bruce Arians test Jameis with whatever should work if the quarterback executes properly.

So much of this season is about finding out what Jameis can handle, practically waving a white flag on Sept. 12 won’t accomplish that.

85 Responses to ““Hopefully They Dumb The Game Plan Down For Thursday Night””

  1. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    LOLeftwich…Bruce is probably pals with him from their Steeler time together. This will not end well.

  2. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Jameis is a polarizing QB. You feel damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Maybe he’s looking over his shoulder at RG4 ..smh

  3. AMI_Chris Says:

    “Finding out what Jameis can handle”? Have you not been paying attention for 4+ years through 3 head coaches? Winston has topped out. You’re not going to get better play than what you’ve seen.

  4. Buccaroo Says:

    Just got home. I’m drunk, tired and bummed. Seeya tomorrow Buc Nation!

  5. Snook Says:

    Where’s the story on Gerald McCoy on how he isn’t even a starter in Carolina

    Rotational player who still makes no difference in games.

  6. Snook Says:

    Yes. Jameis is very polarizing. You’re either a fan who knows he sucks or a dumb fan who hasn’t figured out that he sucks yet.

  7. Bucs_Fan_Orlando Says:

    Anyone know who Garden Minshew is? Yeah me either.

    He is the 6th round pick for the jags who played after Nick Fokes broke his shoulder.

    22/25, 275 yards 2 TDs and 1 Int.

    He smoked JW today and he makes 500K in 2019 or 32K per game….

    Tom Brady 6th round pick.

    Tony Romo undrafted

    Prescot round 4

    Don’t let draft position ruin your objectivity on performance….

  8. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I have been a Jameis supporter…..his play today makes that very different going forward……he needs to light it up vs. Carolina Thursday night and get this bad taste out of everyone’s mouth.

    As for the playcalling, I generally liked it but the run in the red zone has never worked for us and it didn’t work tonight…..when we aren’t successful, it puts too much pressure on 3rd & long…..Winston takes sacks….makes mistakes.

    There could have been at least 2 more interceptions….perhaps 3….hard to consider Jameis lucky….but he was.

  9. T REX Says:

    Snooki? What does that have to do with Jameis Sucking balls?

  10. knucknbuc Says:

    jameis cutler. americas qb as joe says. joe is such a qb talent evaluator remember him pining for johnny football. joe knows qbs. maube thw bucs should hire joe as jameis 7th or 8th qb coach hell figure it out!! go joe

  11. Frank Pillow Says:

    Yes. Jaboo has to be ‘mitigated,’ not simply managed. We’re exactly there. There’s just enough of an improvement on D that they just might not give up TDs to anyone who wants ‘em (like they did under Smitty). That means we’ll be in football games with an opportunity to win— if and only if— the OC calls a much better game and sticks to the successful running plays, works in the TEs and backs in the flat and significantly curbs Jaboo’s drop-to-read time b/c Jaboo still can’t reconcile his feet with his arm. The longer he holds the ball, the wonkier his fundamentals get. I fear that Byron won’t be able to do it— why not? Well, b/c he was a very similar player to Jaboo. He’s going to have to do some real soul searching about how he handles Jaboo or he’ll put him on the same path he walked on the way out of Jax.

  12. Tye Says:

    If they are going to even compete on national TV Thursday night against the Panthers, they need to call as few pass plays as possible and keep those pass plays short… He will never be more than subpar so let’s lean on those in the team with talent.. any running back accurate passing? Call several HB passes..

  13. JimmyJack Says:

    I still say we have the advantage in this game. If the Bucs are smart they have been studying and preparing for the Panthers all TC. Meanwhile they have no film on us and now have three days only to study our film from today. Plus both #93’s will wanna show up in this game & my money on Suh to show up in a big game.

    Of course the problem is your not going to beat the Panthers(or hardly anybody) with awful garbage play at QB. I think Winston rebounds on Thursday and we get the win but then we will all be sitting on pins and needles waiting for him to revert back and lose us more games. At this point Winston is not near good enough and is holding the team back.

  14. Hodad Says:

    Stupid is as stupid does. You can’t dumb the game plan down enough for the dumbest Q.B. in the league. Eventually Jameis will have to make some decisions throwing the ball during the game. As Jaws was fond of saying, you can’t hide your Q.B. in the NFL.

  15. Simeon97 Says:

    Sign Kaepernick, he can’t be any worse.

  16. wantstastayabuc Says:

    Holy Crap Perspective…..’

    Thanks Bucs_Fan_Orlando

    SERIOUSLY Ndog (you moron) and the rest of Bucs Nation, his stats are:
    22/25, 275 yards 2 TDs and 1 Int.

    “He smoked JW today and he makes 500K in 2019 or 32K per game….”

    M I K E …….D R O P

  17. eoschwartz Says:

    Didn’t make the throws when he had opportunities, 2 very bad teams looking like neither have good QBs. Tampa simply cannot draft good quarterbacks starting with Testaverde, Dilfer, Freeman and now Winston. All missed, last time we had average QB’s were Brad Johnson and Jeff Garcia, find an average veteran and let him manage this offense as Winston needs to go

  18. BetterBucFan Says:

    Gardner Minshew set the PAC-12 record for passing yards in a season last year. Not that surprised.

  19. BetterBucFan Says:

    I think signing Kaepernick is the only way the Bucs can stay relevant at this point.

  20. Buc1987 Says:

    15 more games to go for Jameis.

  21. Bucsace Says:

    If today’s game was any indication, Jameis’s tenure as a starter in Tampa could be very short indeed. Today’s game showed that Arians is attempting to marginalize Winston’s involvement in the offense, but how safe can you play it and still win football games?

  22. Chris l Says:

    What more do we need to see? The problem with this franchise is pandering to his stupidity and yes I mean off the field too. If he can’t hack it then I don’t care. I’d rather win than care to see jameis pad stupid stats and people say he is good. Hey jameis go prove you can win because right now you can’t.

  23. Buc1987 Says:

    Bucsace …there’s nobody else to start….

    Who Ryan Griffin?

  24. JimmyJack Says:

    Yeah a few people already calling for Ryan Griffin. I am as angry as the next guy about Winston today and I think that anger is why they are asking for Griffin. Understandable.

    Give them a day or two to cool off and I think they’ll realize throwing away the season after one game is a bit of an overreaction.

    Winston really owes us a win in Carolina though. His performance was absolute Bullspit today.

  25. ElioT Says:

    Couldn’t agree more.

    The Bucs need to keep the pressure on Jameis and provide the talent around him the best possible game plan.

    You can’t dumb things down for a 5th year QB who was drafted #1 overall and spent his first four years in the same QB friendly scheme with a 5th year in a seemingly more friendly system.

    Winston is on full display here and he either steps up and provides a legit ante reason to stay around, or he falls flat on his face and makes a decision to move on completely justified.

    Enough with the excuses.

    You CANNOT have QB play like what we saw today and expect to win games.

    It’s go time Jaboo! Show us what you’re made of.

  26. WalkdaPlank Says:

    They need to “dumb the game plan down” for a 5th year, 1st overall, heisman winning, “numbers like a hall of famer”, “back to back 4,000 yard seasons to start a career” blah blah blah quarterback???

    Jameis Winston, 57 starts, 61 interceptions, and I’m not even gonna count the fumbles. The man is not good! He’s not the worst QB to ever play but come on!

  27. adam from ny Says:

    arians is flaming jameis out on purpose because he is bringing andrew luck in next year…


  28. JimmyJack Says:

    What worries me is even if Winston plays great on Thursday I’ll be worrying about when he will revert back to another garbage game like this. He has serious consistency issues and it’s losing us games that are winnable. At this point it’s holding the team back. Too few games to be throwing them away in this league.

  29. REDZONE BA Fan Says:

    JW3 will REBOUND! BA will evaluate this loss, and make adjustments.

    Our O-Line — “looked OK” however I believe that JW3 does not have confidence in his O-Line. As such, JW3 has “happy feet” like I have never seen from him.

    Do not discount SF Defense, and Nick Bosa, bulling through our line.

    I watched Lamar Jackson, and Dak Prescott, having enough time to restring their shoelaces behind their O-Lines, while looking for an open receiver.

    Rewatch the game….JW3 defending his life, almost every down….

  30. Jean Lafitte Says:

    McCoy will prolly have 3 sacks and we’ll get a crapload of articles that we’ll dread the day we let McCoy go for no darn good reason. I can hear crazy Joe now lol

  31. DB55 Says:

    Idk looked like he was beyond the tackles to me. Not sure refs would call that on many other QBs but wtfdik….

    Dumb down the game plan? How about get a RT and RG that can block so your QB isn’t dealing with PTSD 5 mins into the 1st qrt.

    At this point JW is like Pavlovas dog, everytime he drops back he’s gonna get hit or have to scramble. Donavan Smith got paid and now doesn’t seem to give a crap just like Dotson.

    Would it help at all if RayJay burned down due to spontaneous combustion? If only that cook would have succeeded with the propane tanks a few weeks ago. Fml

  32. JimmyJack Says:

    Sure Winston will rebound…….sounds great……..problem is you can’t say that without realizing that he will play more crap games later. Thats his Track record.

    On games like today he is so bad we have no chance of winning. And now you can see that our defense is plenty good enough and it looks like we got a running game. Our QB is going to hold us back from being a competitive team if he can’t play consistent.

  33. Bucs_Fan_Orlando Says:

    PAC12 hahahahahahah

    JW was ACC…. He was the Heisman Trophy winner and BCS champion…… College is not the NFL.

    BTW I stumped across this fact:

    It was Winston’s 17th career game with multiple interceptions, passing Blake Bortles for most in the league since Winston entered the NFL in 2015

    Fan anyone suggest an NFL QB with JW numbers who is actually a starter?

    When I look at his stats, he is a backup all day on Sunday anywhere else.

    As Joe likes to say, who is the worst QB on this list: Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Drew Bress and Jamie’s Winston?

    You don’t make the playoffs with the 4th best QB.

  34. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    First of all, why are you worried about Gerald McCoy? Don’t we have enough to worry about with our roster. And for the record, he did start. Most importantly, are you too stupid to realize that you have now jinxed us to where he’s going to completely destroy us Thursday? I swear, Bucs fans can be so stupid sometimes.

  35. Jason S. Mclaurin Says:

    Im with you DB55. One more of the few real team analysis today. BucsRealist and tmaxcon got it on the money as well as you too. Maccabee is alright too. It’s time to let Dotson go. He’s lost too many games for this team including today. Oj gotta play better and Dare may be cut for the accountability sheet he and Barber had many mistakes and got me wondering about B. Anderson. Im also wondering about Z. Bailey as well are these guys ready because based on what I saw in preseason from those two they are ready to come in and play

  36. Mike Johnson Says:

    I had a great time drinking during the game. When it was over, I drank some more! Its gonna be a really long season Buc fans. I think some of you need to start drinking so you can Dull the pain like me. You’re gonna need a gallon of beverage and a funnel..for Thurs nights game.

  37. Bird Says:


    He good

  38. Bird Says:


    The fans killed Jameis


  39. DB55 Says:

    For a coach who like to call his players out in public and hold them accountable BA sure does talk a lot of crap.

    “The route was okay”

    “I think the oline played great”

    “It was the TEs who got beat not the oline”

    Child please. Jensen and Marpet are doing their jobs the rest of them are cut bait for a franchise serious about winning.

  40. DB55 Says:


    Pretty simple, I’m of the mindset that you should be where you are appreciated. I really just want to see Griffin or anyone else including Patrick Mahomes come in here and win games with this team then I’ll apologize for calling all of youz complete morons.

  41. BucsFan727 Says:

    Yes dumb it down for Winston. You could see in the pre season Griffin grasping the offence faster than Winston.

  42. DB55 Says:

    Griffin was playing against 3rd and 4th stringers people give it a break. The guy has 0 passes in an nfl game after 4-5 years in the league.

    And I thought the Fitzmagic fans were stupid. SMH

  43. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Sign Kaepernick

  44. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Or Carson Palmer as a bridge QB

  45. Bird Says:


    I don’t care about griffin
    Just wait until he plays good
    You will be like “yah dog”

    At the game. Asked a 49rs fan about Jameis
    He said who?

    Balls for life FSU

  46. LargoBuc Says:

    We’re not running on Carolina. Not as long as we “dumb down the gameplan”.
    That’s a game we should have won. I don’t care about “oh theres next week” if Jameis cant lead us to victory at home against that flat arse team from San Fran, he aint leading us to spit!

  47. Tbbucs3 Says:


    There’s no defending JW in this game. Oline played solid and the 2 pick 6s were idiotic decisions. The people starting to turn on JW aren’t just the trolls anymore…they are former JW supporters….including me.

    I believe it’s time to stop waiving the JW flag

  48. Dano Says:

    Long time FSU & Bucs fan here… Jameis hasn’t been good since his championship season at FSU. I was initially upset about this loss, but in reality, Jameis sucking like this is a blessing in disguise because it will force the Bucs to finally draft a quality QB!

  49. WalkdaPlank Says:

    “The fans killed Jameis”

    Yet there many many MANY Jameis apologists to this day like Ndog and Rod muncher and Joe who have defended his clownery for FIVE years. I wasn’t upset when we picked Jameis, I was more a Mariota guy, but honestly in hindsight it didn’t matter. I supported him because he’s a Bucs QB and always wished him well, and I still do, because he is still the best QB on the team. No I do not think Griffin is better. But the Cincinnati game last year was the final straw. I hope Jameis turns it around and leads my Bucs back to the playoffs but I’ve lost all faith in him and I honestly hope next year he is no longer a Buc because I am tired of seeing him throw the ball to the other freaking team.

  50. SteelStudBuc Says:

    Stop calling him Americas QB…. you’re pathetic attempts to convince us and blame everybody around him are like spitting in our faces…. grow up and admit you were wrong.
    Nobody is trying to convince anyone of anything. You must not be a regular reader. –Joe

  51. DB55 Says:


    I see things differently. Feel free to go back on my comments and see how often I’m wrong.

    Both pick 6’s were a matter of players not being where they’re supposed to be.
    “It was a trust throw” JW
    “It was an okay route” BA

    In other words the backs weren’t where they were supposed to be and on top of that Winston has 3 defenders on his body as he throws. Should he take the sack? I remember last year he took a sack late in a game and he was crucified.

    Bottom line is that this team is a mess. If you look at it objectively or with a tiny bit of knowledge you’d see that it’s more than just Winston but the narrative has been set and now it’s just a matter of time.

    As for me, I truly am simply looking forward to Winston leaving Tampa and playing for a half-way decent franchise bc the TRUTH is Tampa has always had problems winning games with or without Jameis Winston as the QB.

  52. Losinghope Says:

    ***ATTENTION ***

  53. SteelStudBuc Says:

    I am a regular reader. I’ve been a regular reader for years. You loved Johnny Drunk… you were whining for weeks and weeks after the team passed on him. You won’t find that in the archives following the 2014 draft because it doesn’t exist. –Joe Just please stop with the Americas QB thing. You look so stupid trying to prop up this piece of garbage. Give up… everybody else did. Spitting…. in…. our…. faces….. $30 million? You couldnt even evaluate a floater in the toilet!!!!! Pro Bowler????? Please STFU about Americas QB. You know nothing about nothing.

  54. Bird Says:

    Translation on DB to TB

    I would warm his nuts in a woom
    The pick 6s never happen
    Sorry it was one game

    And it was the other guys fault

  55. firethecannons Says:

    Forget dumbing down the playbook, if Jameis cannot perform in his 5th year than he should be held accountable at the end of the year and he will be jettisoned. We are in salary cap hell anyway even without his pricey contract he would get.

    personally, I’m tired of watching the dude, he cannot be trusted with the football, there were multiple near piks besides the three he did have–this is a problem he has.

  56. Jerry Says:

    Just like with Josh Freeman.

    We have to dumb down the playbook because our “Franchise QB” in his 5th season doesn’t have the brain power to process NFL-level plays.

  57. Joe Says:

    Just please stop with the Americas QB thing.

    Can’t do it, sorry.

  58. BucsBandit Says:


    He’s paid his dues. Give him a chance to play.

  59. Clean House Says:

    Too many voices in the guys ear- #1 NFL passing offense, numbers don’t lie- don’t give up yet

  60. DB55 Says:


    Or with a tiny bit of knowledge lol

    We’ll argue tomorrow I’m going to sleep ✌🏽

  61. Krojen Says:

    Gardner Minshew made me a ton of money at Washinton State and has a fun mustache gimmick. Don’t disrespect that man. He’s 10x the QB Winston ever was.

  62. ElBajito43 Says:

    Excuse me Mr Joe Bucs……. ummm in all seriousness if Jameis Winston is one day no longer a member of the buccaneers….. can we then have an official removal of “America’s Quarterback”? You know it would make sense. I actually think the ATM America’s Turnover Machine is so much cooler.but IDK 🤔🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

  63. Pudge01 Says:

    Tank the season and draft a QB. Jamis isn’t the one.

  64. Todd Says:


    “There could have been at least 2 more interceptions….perhaps 3….hard to consider Jameis lucky….but he was.”

    You are SO right. Those out there saying the interceptions weren’t his fault tonight do to either bring tipped or a bad route…aren’t also considering the “interceptions that got away” (three, at least). He absolutely sucked in this game and if he has an ugly loss again on Thursday, he BETTER NOT step up the the podium post-game and utter the words, “I just gotta get better.”

    No sh!t, Sherlock.

  65. richbucsfan Says:

    Is #3 that mentally dull that the coaches have to dumb down the playbook? Wow! If that’s the goal hire a high school coach who wins. Just watched one of #3’s pick sixes. He hasn’t changed, throwing off his back foot as he is leaning back. He is who he is. Move on to a competent QB. He simply is uncoachable.

  66. gobuxfla Says:

    This is going to be a lonnnnnnnng season. Time to start thinking about the “Tank for Trevor” campaign.

  67. Don_RyJo(e) Says:

    Dumb down the gameplan and give up on down-the-field throws.

  68. Bucsfanman Says:

    No, the OL wasn’t perfect but give me a break. There were moments when Jameis had ALL DAY to throw. Instead, we got a poor impersonation of James Brown followed by a sack or incompletion!
    Today’s not the day for excuses. There could have been 5 interceptions in that game and anyone who watched that and came away with anything other than the QB play was awful did NOT watch the game.

  69. buc up Says:

    This is what happens when a ‘marginal qb’ does not play much in the pre-season. Jameis needed the work! Looks like he is going to miss Adam Humpries.

  70. Defense Rules Says:

    I’m having trouble believing what I’m reading. Jameis is a 5th year QB. A #1 pick. He has all the physical tools any franchise QB should need. He makes $21 mil this year to play the position.

    So what’s the conversation about? Dumbing down the game plan so that he can handle it. Really? Yesterday’s game plan was ALREADY DUMBED DOWN. Bucs did nothing elaborate that whole game. They gained 121 yds on 26 runs … a very decent 4.7 YPC average. They threw the ball 36 times with 20 completions for 194 yds … a very dismal 5.4 YPA. QB Rating? 45.5 on the night. Add in 3 INTs AND 3 fumbles (1 lost) and you just found the REASON for the loss. Our offense stunk it up.

    And in case you didn’t watch the Panthers-Rams game, the Panthers offense looked fairly decent, after a slow start, against a pretty good Rams defense. The way to beat them? Take away McCaffrey … he had ALL of their rushing yardage yesterday (128 yds) as well as the most receptions (10-for-11 receptions for 81 yds). I was impressed.

  71. Bucsfanman Says:

    And what was JW’s pass attempt numbers?! 35 plus?! The ensuing result?
    The numbers for Winston’s W/L with 35+ attempts are downright harrowing. We’re going to need to ride the newly found ROJO run-game if we have any chance. And believe me, that keeps me up at night.

  72. BigMacAttack Says:

    Jameis needs to have his head checked after the Kwon hit. Why didn’t he go through concussion protocol??? That was the worst call of the game right there.

  73. Jeff Says:

    Jameis needs a rookie game plan. Problem is, he can’t even throw check downs. So basically Bucs fans, we suck again!

  74. Pepboy1 Says:

    Sign Terry Bradshaw

  75. Jmarkbuc Says:

    Big Mac

    JW has been playing this way for years..with or without helmet to helmet contact…

  76. richbucsfan Says:

    It’s simple. #3 Is uncoachable. When he was at Florida State, Jimbo Fisher screamed at him throughout every game. He still never learned. For the past four years it’s been the same. He is simply uncoachable

  77. FairMinded Says:

    Joe if you take a fan poll on it damn near everyone would agree the “America’s QB” thing needs to stop. It’s more of an insult to the guy at this point

  78. Pittsshore Says:

    Apples McGoo’s QBR rating dead last at 7.30. 4 more QBs play tonight and I do believe he will be safe in taking the week 1 worst QBR ranking. Arians does not care since he is locked in (and his homeboys) with guaranteed money for a few years. How about JW post game ghetto, pimp suit wearing, narcissistic, interview: I just gotsta get better. Same message for the 5th year and counting.

  79. passthebuc Says:

    Yes, they could go with a T backfield like the 1940s and just let JW hand the ball off to running backs.

  80. NO FEAR... Says:


  81. orlbucfan Says:

    Defense Rules Says:
    September 9th, 2019 at 6:27 am

    And in case you didn’t watch the Panthers-Rams game, the Panthers offense looked fairly decent, after a slow start, against a pretty good Rams defense. The way to beat them? Take away McCaffrey … he had ALL of their rushing yardage yesterday (128 yds) as well as the most receptions (10-for-11 receptions for 81 yds). I was impressed.
    Yeah, and how long have Ron Rivera and staff been coaching that team? Head coaching instability? NOT!
    I miss the fearless Jameis Winston of his rookie year. Part of the blame has to go right on the head coaching mess we’ve got down here!

  82. T REX Says:

    Todd, 7-0 buddy? This team stinks and JW is the head stinker.

  83. Buccfan37 Says:

    McCaffrey will give a repeat performance Thursday night.

  84. widerightandleft Says:

    Just like the past draft with the dbs.Draft four qbs until one sticks !1

  85. Buc1987 Says:

    SteelStudBuc…why do you even come to this site?