Hard Coaching

September 14th, 2019

Joe has heard some fans say the Bucs’ coaching staff might be going a little easy on America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.

Well, that’s not what Joe is hearing. Enjoy this photo from Thursday night by the A+ JoeBucsFan photo team in Charlotte.

46 Responses to “Hard Coaching”

  1. Ed Says:

    The coaching has been fine, they are doing what needs to be done with Winston, running plays that he doesn’t have to do a whole lot of processing so he can be less prone to mistakes. I expect their game plan to stay the same as long as the defense keeps the score down why risk his mistake prone tendencies. 25 passes a game is low but if the Bucs can win these low scoring games and play turn over free it’s all about the team, not Jameis Winston having to throw for 4000-4500 yards in a season. I like what they are doing, making the game more simple and taking the pressure off him. The more relaxed he plays the better. We’ve all seen what happens when under pressure he panics.

  2. Says:

    Looks like two excited Pop Warner coaches telling their QB who is going to be open on the next play, not tough coaching. Not to say I don’t like BA tho. Let’s stack the wins!

  3. Says:

    Ed, along the lines of your comment, if you watch the BA presser from yesterday, what sticks out most is, in talking about the resurgence of the O-line, BA says they finally understand that we are a “run-first team.” Quite a bombshell, expecting Joe and Ira to give us the juicy details soon!

  4. ManzielMadness v Says:

    It was nice to see actual adjustments for once… How many catches did Olsen have in the 4th quarter? If only BA didn’t tie himself to Licht…

  5. WestChap Says:

    Joe: what point in the game was this? Looks like a time out given where they’re standing. Would love t know if it was right after or right before a good/bad play on JW’s part.

  6. Dapostman Says:

    Gee what a difference some defense, running game and kicking make. Every announcer who calls the games states a running game is the QB’s best friend. Only problem is for the last 3 years the Bucs did not have a run game at all. When you run the ball, have a half way decent defense and can make your kicks you do not have to take chances downfield as much. Remember boys and girls, “you play to win the game.” If you are lacking in these 3 critical areas of course your QB is going to have to throw the ball downfield. That means when the other team knows it the chances of a turnover increase. Good to see the Bucs playing complimentary football.

  7. webster Says:


    How do you know what type of plays are being called? They are calling the plays that arians has always called ever since he was an offensive coordinator. Gtfooh with that bs

  8. Tye Says:

    watching some of these young qbs play today and thinking one of them could possibly be the one to bring excitement and life back into the Bucs games next season sure make hope seem possible just a year from now!

  9. Anonymous Says:

    Run first, and rely on D = Jameis (and next QB) is a game manager at best. Jameis is no franchise QB. The Bucs are clearly lowering expectations. They have already started the rebuild and it is without Jameis. He is worth backup money only so far. Yup, prepare the team for a cheaper guy who is more consistent and who can grow. Winston isn’t coachable.

  10. JGhoti86 Says:

    That’s just beautiful

  11. July Joe Says:

    Jameis LOVES to be coached hard, screamed at, etc. It’s how he learns and what he grew up with.

    Koetter was a pansy.

    Leftwich and Arians are old-school, get-in-your-face coaches and they have Jameis’ respect.

    Now, if only Perriman and OJ will catch balls instead of drop them and the O-Line will stop having TD passes called back … Jameis should have 4 TDs and 0 INTs right now and the team should be 2-0.

  12. PSLBob Says:

    Speaking of kicking – I thought for sure that missed FG was going to bite them in the butt!

  13. SOEbuc Says:

    What have fans been saying in TB for years:

    -“Defenses win championships.”
    -“Good coaching=good teams.”

    Looks like it’s all on Jameis at this point.

  14. Bucsfan3 Says:

    Amazing photo! Speaks volumes about the level of coaching Jameis is receiving. Passion!

  15. SOEbuc Says:

    They need to be in Breshard “invelatable arm-flayleing tub man” Perriman’s ear. He’s garbage and I’ve been noticing that not just from his missed TD. Sucks BA doesn’t use his TE more.

  16. Anonymous Says:

    It shocked the world when Jamies hit Evans in stride the other nite. That happens once every 10-12 games. It is a shame on the rare occasion that Jameis throws my man Breshad a catchable ball he dropped it. Probably out of shock too. The Bucs are right to start restricting Jamies to easy throws. It paid off here. Game management can work when there is not a franchise QB on the team. It worked for the Bucs for years.

  17. Jim Says:

    Immature, inconsistent, poor judgement coupled with good potential and the ability to make great plays. First step is to forget the elite QB business and concentrate on building a solid team while bringing Winston along. Too bad it took five years, but he’s got the best coaching now, so we’ll see…

  18. Rayjay1122 Says:

    I am just frustrated in Winston as any other fan, but honestly we should all be hoping he finally gets it and becomes a good franchise QB otherwise we have to draft another one that could be just as bad as Winston and Marriota have been.

    Some of you wanting a new 1st round QB must be forgetting who our GM is and how unlikely it is that a newly drafted QB would turn out to be the answer to our QB dilemma.

  19. Defense Rules Says:

    @ … “in talking about the resurgence of the O-line, BA says they finally understand that we are a “run-first team.” Say what? I sure as he11 hope not. If Game 2’s gameplan is the master for the rest of our games, we’ll be lucky to go 5-11 again WITH a Top-16 defense.

    Taking the ball out of Jameis’ hands IMO is paramount to saying ‘We don’t trust you to DO YOUR JOB Jameis, so we’re gonna simplify everything so you & the passing game won’t lose us any more games.’ YGBSM … this offense has scored a total of 30 points in TWO games. In game 1 we ran the ball 26 times & passed 36 times. In Game 2 we ran it 31 times & passed it 25 times. Thus 57 rushes (48%) to 61 passes (52%). Actually very even, for a Bucs team. That’s an average of almost 3.9 YPC, certainly better than last year, but nowhere near good enough to carry us to a winning season & the playoffs UNLESS the Bucs’ defense plays lights-out every game.

    BA, Byron, Clyde & Tom are supposedly here to FIX JAMEIS. OK then, do YOUR job, just like you tell the players to do THEIR job. Through 2 games the Bucs’ defense has taken the pressure off of the Bucs offense and off of our S/Ts. NEITHER has been stellar thus far IMO. We’ve got a back-breaking schedule coming up … and BOTH need to step up to the plate for us to have any chance of a winning season.

  20. DooshLaRue Says:

    Come on Joe…..

    Let’s have a caption contest!

  21. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Dillon Gabriel UCF is doing things with the football Jameis can only dream of!

  22. Anonymous Says:

    Jameis he hold on to the ball to long. He not getting rid of it. That is why he fail too much.

  23. Alvin Scissors Harper Says:

    Let’s not think Jay Miss is the savior quite yet. A 200 yard game managing performance is generally the best we can expect from the overall #1 pick in the draft in his 5th year. Jesus, they were 1.5 yards from losing the game. Twenty points offensively is not really very good. Thank you defense and you can also thank the fact that Cam Newton can neither run nor pass right now.

  24. #1bucsfan Says:

    I think everyone is getting a little stirred up about the offense. It’s still a new offense that has bin installed. Of course they are going to keep it simple y’all. Geez use some common sense plz. If the coaching staff doesn’t trust #3 then he wouldn’t be out there playing. If #3 can play the rest of the season like he did on Thursday besides that 1 dropped INT then who gives a rats ass if the offense is 1st or last if we win. Keep it simple an run the dam ball till everyone has this offense down. 1 offseason isn’t enough time to learn the whole offense BA said it takes 2 years to master his offense. The last offense #3 was in was dirks for 4 years that’s why we had the best past offense in the league cuz he knew it like the back of his groping hand lol

  25. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    That’s a pretty good picture, actually. Hopefully between those two and Tom Less is Moore…they can salvage his time in Tampa. Trying to find a good QB in the NFL is extremely difficult.

  26. Wideleftandright Says:

    Ed says;
    James can still throw for 4000 yards just bye throwing more completions,and still only throw less than 30 times.I would believe that 25-30 attempts are probably close to avg in the NFL.
    If James has to throw more than 30 times then the running game is stopped or we are constantly down by a score or more.

  27. Franklin 813 Says:

    Lol it looks like Jameis ass is puckered in that pic

  28. Jmarkbuc Says:


    Somethings can’t be fixed.

    And like you I love Defense, and while we have played better, we haven’t faced much in the way of offense, yet.

    Encouraging that we shut down McCaffery, and run D does look stout, but Matt Brieda is no Saquon..and we haven’t faced a top flight WR or QB yet.

    Still really enjoying watching a D that appears to give a damn

  29. Jim Says:

    ESPN reports: Newton has two shoulder surgeries in his past, plus an ankle surgery, plus broken bones in his back, plus a couple head injuries, plus broken ribs, plus a foot sprain suffered just three weeks ago.

    So lets keep that in mind…

  30. Bob in Valrico Says:

    DR you call em short and I call them intermediate passes. This is a Jameis strength ,IMO. There is not enough evidence for success of No risk- No biscuit
    offense at this point. I do want to stretch the field on occasion , but I’m good with 40 and under yards until he proves that he can throw well placed balls at greater distances consistently. Unfortunately a lot of his deep passes have been overthrown so far. The biggest advantage to this run first option , might be the ability to mix in some play action passes.
    One possible play that Jameis may have been catching heat for wass a short completed
    pass over the middle . In the same field of vision I saw OJ breaking loose uncovered up the seam. Easy throw for Jameis, and I was puzzled that he didn’t take advantage of it. Jameis still seems to have trouble going through all his progressions.

  31. Defense Rules Says:

    DooshLaRue … “Let’s have a caption contest!” Great idea. What’s humorous about that photo is that Jameis is usually the one who gets all hyped up & quasi-out-of-control. In that photo it looks like Byron is the one who’s all hyped up & out-of-control. I’m guessing that BA is counseling Jameis “Don’t listen to Byron, he’s out of control. Listen to me”.

    And Jmarkbuc, this is essentially the very same offense (players) that led the league in passing yardage last year & was #12 in scoring. Put a strong defense & reasonable S/Ts with THAT offense and we could probably have a winning season. What I’ve seen in 2 games now from our offense doesn’t make any sense to me. Read an article earlier today that said BA’s 2013 Arizona team started off the same way for the first half season before getting their act together and finishing 10-6. That’d actually be encouraging IF BA was calling the offensive shots, but he’s not. I’m really hoping that Byron is a clone, but I’m having doubts. Time will tell.

  32. Defense Rules Says:

    Bob … Thursday night Jameis was 13-for-17 on what PFR calls ‘short’ passes (they don’t use the ‘intermediate’ term apparently; wish they did). As I recall, we averaged very close to 10 yards on each of those completions (some of which was YAC). Jameis’ strength historically has been in hitting the ‘intermediate’ passes, but it looked to me like Thursday’s gameplan tried to minimize those in favor of shorter ‘stuff’. And yes, his deep throws have been bad thus far (especially to Perriman, although ME13 isn’t setting the world on fire either … YET).

    in any event, I suspect that you’re right about Jameis still having trouble going through his progressions. He really hasn’t looked comfortable in the pocket IMO. Just got through watching the Bama game and Tua looks a lot more comfortable back there. I’m sure he’ll enjoy Miami next year.

  33. Jmarkbuc Says:


    I agree with you, in that I’m not really sure what BAs role is exactly.

    I don’t think JW can be fixed, and I think BA and BL are scrambling to dumb it down, and take the ball out of his hands…not terribly encouraging for a #1 overall pick.

    I’m glad we won in Charlotte, but imagine if Aaron Rodgers had the same game that JW had there..people wouldn’t call that a great game by the QB.

    I hate to say it but bad Jameis will return….

  34. Rayjay1122 Says:

    All the people anointing Tua as the next star….and how many QB’s out of Alabama have been great in the NFL? At least in the past 20 years?

  35. BUCnDaDDy Says:

    Win the game, and a bunch of crying bout not putting up 400 yards passing! Blah, blah, blah! Found some balance and still not good enough. Was Winston perfect,No! but he’s going to get his mojo back with team games like Thursday night! Geez, like no other Good QBs never won a game putting up 200 yards!

  36. Rayjay1122 Says:

    I don’t see Tua being the next Stabler, Starr or Namath.

  37. Chip Chipperson Says:

    I hope most of yous guys are better at your day job…..worst “fans” in the NFL. IMO of course.

  38. Nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Uh I believe he came in as a rookie…under Dirk’s tutelege just like Vernon, RoJo and more…so yes 5 years…how well was he coached?🤔So if the coaching was jacked, he is being retaught…duh

    Even BA says it takes at least 8 games to get reacclimated to a NEW offense. Did anyone see Matt Ryan’s last game not good under Dirk. It amazes me how it is so magnified when JW makes errors or interceptions while other QB’s all over the league do the same thing.SMH

  39. JimmyJack Says:

    DR I think you have to consider the competition.

    Yes Dirk had the passing game humming as top ranked in the league but they had stuggles in their fair share of matchups too. Ravens & Redskins games sping to mind.

    Carolina has got a good defense. They are hard to run against and that Bradbury guy has nullified our best receiver many times……..And the Bucs churned out a decent little running game against them. I thought this was huge because their pass rush is not something you want to play one dimensional football against. That team has made us pay for just that on many occasions over the years. Our running game wasn’t dynamic but it was very effective and sticking with it resulted in a huge TD……..Mike Evans had that one big key play that led to another TD but other then that was pretty quiet. But we saw Winston take advantage of the matchups on Chris Godwin. If there is a bone for me to pick with the offense it’s on a game like that is when you need OJ and Perriman to play a role and they did not step up.

    I was fine with the offense and the game plan. It showed we can win a game with defense and rushing leading the way. You cannot win every game in this league with only passing. That’s a big reason why we went 5-11 last two years.

    We will get into more favorable matchups for our passing game when we play team like the Saints and Falcons for example. We should see the passing game open up more as the season unfolds. Might be unfair to judge this offense on just that game. It might be one of the tougher defenses we play all year…….Yes their is the 49er game too. Our QB clearly was not prepared for that game. Let’s just pretend for now that will not repeat itself.

  40. JimmyJack Says:

    No Chip Chipperson…….We just came here to talk football. You came and all you do is bash your own brother. That litterally all you brought to the table. Their is only one guy here I would call a piese of spit & that is you.

  41. Jmarkbuc Says:


    Good on ya….

  42. BigHog Says:

    FAMOUS will be just fine …as long as he doesn’t have to go out and feel like he have to be superman! We are 1 win with 1 lose…but we must as a team get better with each week!!

  43. BigHog Says:

    FAMOUS will be just fine …as long as he doesn’t have to go out and feel like he have to be superman! We are 1 win with 1 lose…but we must as a team get better with each week!! GO FAMOUS GO BRUCE GO LEFTWITCH!!

  44. tnew Says:

    People just miss Koetter telling everyone how everything from the poor rushing, poor kicking, horrible coaching and historically wretched defense is all Winston’s fault.

  45. Pittsshore Says:

    As I have always said: the only way to get the attention of ignorant people is to yell at them. It actually settles their mind.

  46. Echase Says:

    Cant teach accuracy, he wasn’t at fsu and isnt accurate now.