“Give Him His Money”
September 15th, 2019
A Super Bowl champion receiver has been dissecting America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, for NFL Network, and he’s come away very impressed.
Before and after Thursday’s Bucs win, ex-Packers receiver James Jones was on the Jameis bandwagon. The quality video below is from an NFL Network postgame wrap-up, where Jones got into detail about special plays made by Jameis.
“A couple more games like this and you’re looking at a $100 million quarterback,” Jones bellowed after noting he was appalled by wide receiver Breshad Perriman.
Jones didn’t want to hear any negativity when reminded of Jameis throwing a ball into Luke Kuechly’s hands that the All-Pro linebacker didn’t squeeze. “Give him his money,” Jones said.
All the chatter is a fun listen, but Joe is confident only one man will decide whether Jameis gets one of the fat contracts handed to veteran NFL starters: Bucco Bruce Arians.
Team Glazer, Jason Licht, they’ll be yes-men to Arians on this matter.
September 15th, 2019 at 12:05 am
Ive heard so many times how the pass that keuchly had to fully extend and barely get his fingertips on should have been brought in, while the pass that OJ80 decided to volley ball set which was just above his helmet was woefully high.
September 15th, 2019 at 12:38 am
Tnew
That also reminds me of when the fans on this site poo pooed vh3’s int during training camp where he made the play simular to the one that luke couldnt make. What vh3 did on that play isnt easy to jump that high and come down with the ball all while moving backwards. Instead of bashing jameis, lets congratulate luke for almost making a spectacular play. Not a lot of mlb can even come close to making that play and that is why he is gets paid and gets paid the amount that he does. It was a good pass but luke just made a great play. Sometimes you have to tip your cap to the other team without placing blame.
September 15th, 2019 at 12:40 am
Was he even thay good on Thursday? I mean he was quite inaccurate at times and while he didn’t make a lot of big mistakes hr also didn’t move the ball that well… look at how many weapons he has. I guess we did run ot a lot.. partially cauz we didn’t trust him not to mess up
September 15th, 2019 at 12:49 am
We all know #3 turns the ball over. He hasn’t changed yet but give him time to get this new offense down an he can help us get to the playoffs.
September 15th, 2019 at 12:55 am
one game this year so far isn’t worth the money,lets see if we can run the bad Jameis off,first
September 15th, 2019 at 1:13 am
They will franchise him next year.
September 15th, 2019 at 1:14 am
Coburn is another low iq buc fan. The bucs didnt run the ball “a lot”. They ran it as much as any compentent nfl offense would. Im sorry you are used to the last 4 years where koetter would run it only 15 times. News flash low iq buc fan, thats not wise or what winning teams do. Also, koetter did not know how to get the running game going ie poor coaching. Im also sorry your iq was so low that you did not understand when arians was hired he told all you fools the bucs had good running backs. That means he intends to use them. He wants a BALANCED offense. “Simple as that” Im sorry you are late for lunch.
September 15th, 2019 at 1:18 am
I think he will be extended halfway thru the season. I don’t think we lose any more games as well. Defense playing at a high level and the offense is gaining more comradere as the season goes along. We’ll be 8-1 by the time he gets his extension trust me. They want him signed before the off-season. I think they’ll free up the money to sign him along the way as well. More moves are coming trust me
September 15th, 2019 at 1:18 am
200 yards passing and we are rolling out the red carpet.
The bar is so low that a game with no interceptions is considered amazing. Let’s not pretend that the Bucs weren’t a yard and one injured Cam short of losing that game.
Let’s see some CONSISTENCY from JW3! That’s all I ask for.
September 15th, 2019 at 1:19 am
FOOK JAMES JONES. He doesn’t decide if Jameis gets an extension or not. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Signing Jameis “America’s Turnover Machine” to a $30M+/year long term contract would spell DOOM for this organization for another 10 years.
September 15th, 2019 at 1:25 am
Those were some big boy throws on primetime television in a game with sloppy conditions
Glad i’m not the only one who noticed
This is the beginning folks. Winning in the NFL is an art form. You just witnessed this young team get their first taste of what it’s like to figure out HOW TO WIN. The craving will become insatiable.
This team will be 5-4 going into week 11 for a home game against the Saints… if they win that game Winston gets his extension to cement the confidence before the playoff push. 4yrs/100mil
And they’ll do it, too. Because they’re committed to the running game and the run defense is stupid good. It’s that simple
STACK EM UP
September 15th, 2019 at 1:31 am
Joe you have no idea what your saying …. you just agree because you fantasize over jameis licking his fingers into a W … let the season play out first … THANK GOD your not a NFL owner or owner of the Bucs we would be seriously screwed
Hey, Joe just shared an ex-player’s take and a video. If Jameis gets paid, that’s a good thing because it means he played well.–Joe
September 15th, 2019 at 1:32 am
Fyi…jameis had a 103 rating and completed 65% of his passes. You jameis haters are idiots and bi-polar. You say do not praise jameis for all his 300 or 400 yard games because the bucs still lost. Some of you idiots if not all of you bi-polar idiots have said you would rather he throws for 200 yards and the bucs win. So now he throws for 200 yards and the bucs win aided by a good running game and defense (which many of his supporters said is all he needs) yet you are still hating. Its obvious you are not buc fans….you are butt hurt mariotta lovers, salty gator fans, hill billy racist, bi-polar idiots or hating trolls. You will never be happy. It must suck to be you guys
September 15th, 2019 at 1:35 am
Bandit, you’re right, James Jones doesn’t decide that, no…
But Jason Licht and Bruce Arians certainly will.
You’re all bent out of shape because someone who played with Aaron Rodgers went on TV and said nice things about the Bucs quarterback (that were true), but it’ll be okay. You’ll eventually realize how much of your life you’ve wasted on these forums trying to run off a quarterback like it’s a witch in salem. Extremists are never reasonably minded, my friend. Might want to get some help for that before the fun starts so you can enjoy the ride with the rest of us!
September 15th, 2019 at 1:50 am
Also…isnt true that jameis has led the league in 300+ yard games the past two years? That means thats more than brady, brees, big ben, rodgers, wilson etc. So why are you bi-polar, butt hurt mariotta lovers, salty gator fans, hill billy racist idiots bashing jameis for his 200 yard win? You act as if he is not capable of throwing for more yards. Low iq fan base to the 25th power
September 15th, 2019 at 2:21 am
No. Not yet.
September 15th, 2019 at 3:00 am
Webster: in my Ronald Isley (Mr Biggs) voice…You know I know!!!
September 15th, 2019 at 3:17 am
Webster,
Winston had a 103 rating which is good .
Last week , 17 QB’S had a PR 105+ (with 2 QB’S scoring a perfect game). Perspective!
Personally, I didn’t get negative with Winston’s wk 1 performance. I’m not overly excited about his 2nd week. This is a new offense , new team , etc etc
it’s way to early to be trashing anyone or putting them in Canton.
I guess a year ago seems like ancient history to the extremists fans. But after game 2 , one year ago, the team was 2 and 0 and the offense was #1 in the NFL in points and the QB recorded 2 -400 yds games, which was canton worthy, and how’d it go for the season?
Learning impaired is a harsh assessment but it’s not incorrect based on the extremes from week 1 to week 2.
September 15th, 2019 at 3:23 am
Sorry Joe- just look at this guys posts.
September 15th, 2019 at 3:27 am
Webster- this league is about wins genius.
Figured a “high iq” guy like you knew that. Even us hillbilly racists know that. You know- the fans that support all the players on the roster. Yes webster, even the black players.
Your blind allegiance based on skin color is not surprising. Just dont project your racism onto others. Not a good look buddy.
September 15th, 2019 at 3:30 am
Webster- did you buy your cam Newton head scarf yet to show solidarity to the cause?
September 15th, 2019 at 3:37 am
Joe has given youthe green light to continue to spew your racism and personal insults to anybody who is unhappy with our record over the past few seasons.
Have at it buddy. Enjoy the 300 yard games and project onto anyone who laments the loss.
Nobody can disagree with you. Joe got your back.
September 15th, 2019 at 3:53 am
Jameis needs to take a “Tom Brady-Team Friendly” extension.
He’s 25 years old.
5 years, 20 million per season. 50 million guaranteed. 20 million signing bonus.
He will make 100 million dollars over 5 years.
And we will have the chance to build a truly competitive roster.
Lets do it Jameis!
Be like Brady!
September 15th, 2019 at 3:56 am
@ joe
Why havent you wrote an article about gerald mccoy’s weak pre game speech where he talks about dominating the bucs? Im sure you would get about 100 post
Watched it and didn’t really think it was interesting. He didn’t really talk about the Bucs, either. –Joe
September 15th, 2019 at 4:31 am
little early to be talking $100 million. The question always will be can Jameis carry a team once his salary sucks up almost 20% of the salary cap. Will we be in Joe Flacco territory?
September 15th, 2019 at 5:14 am
@Webster … “He wants a BALANCED offense.” Every team in the league would love to have a BALANCED offense, and the Bucs are no exception. A balanced offense gives you maximum flexibility to attack opponents with various defensive strengths & vulnerabilities, accommodate crummy weather conditions, deal with injuries to your own key offensive players, etc.
So why do so few NFL teams seem to have a truly BALANCED offense? The only reason I can come up with Webster is MONEY (aka, salary Cap). Where you put your money based on what your priorities are AND how much you put there pretty much defines what you’ll get for an outcome. Example: Green Bay Packers. Their salary Cap focus is OFFENSE ($104.3 mil in 2019 … #1 overall to date). Reasonably good offense, but that’s left them with only $54.7 mil allocated to DEFENSE (and that’s been their Achilles heel … same as us to date).
Some teams, like the Patriots, do seem to do a better job of building a BALANCED roster (offense $78.1 mil vs defense $84.9 mil in 2019 salary Cap to date). Similar numbers in 2018. Result? Much more of a BALANCED TEAM and BALANCED OFFENSE (478 rushing attempts vs 574 passing attempts … 45% vs 55%). Even their SB opponent, the Rams, was pretty much a BALANCED TEAM and BALANCED OFFENSE (459 rushing attempts vs 568 passing attempts … 45% rushing vs 55% passing attempts).
Our Bucs? Way out of whack in terms of BALANCE as a TEAM IMO (offense $102.9 mil salary Cap vs defense $54.4 mil salary Cap in 2019 to date). Thankfully our defense is young (and thus not very costly) but playing at a high level right now. Next year & in following years though it’ll more than likely get much more costly. One of our problems IMO is that even our very expensive offense isn’t all that well balanced (for instance, our RB group is very inexpensive … Barber, RoJo & Dare essentially get paid in TOTAL the same as 1 WR, Breshad Perriman).
September 15th, 2019 at 5:38 am
Exactly Jean Lafitte!
Tu es tres intelligente.
Joe Flacco KILLED the Ravens!!
September 15th, 2019 at 6:21 am
Webster resurfaces after a win and even after a lackluster performance by his man crush. We won in spite of having him as a starting QB. It was a Brad Johnson type of performance. To that end, Ryan Griffin would have played just as well if not better. Do keep in mind that his delay if game penalty, near our end zone, ultimately cost us a safety. This two point safety damn near cost us a win if not for the bonehead 4th down play called by the Panthers OC. We will most likely win again next week against the hopeless Giants which will lead to even more JW supporters trash talk.
September 15th, 2019 at 6:25 am
All he did Thursday was NOT F up.
$100 million?
Yeah…… sure.
September 15th, 2019 at 6:28 am
That was a big win early in the season Thursday night; we usually suck when we get a primetime slot…I’m proud of the fact we played hard for 60 mins and didn’t lay down like we’ve done in the past…
Carolina has a really tough defense and traditionally is a tough place to play in general; they destroyed us up there last season…That win was a big confidence boost for us hopefully we can build off of it…Also, I love Jameis Winston the game manager…we finally have running game and a defense all he has to do is cherish the football and we’ll be fine…
September 15th, 2019 at 6:46 am
Jameis performed well Thursday, but Bucs will still draft QB. The class is too good not too.
September 15th, 2019 at 6:50 am
Mike Evans is not going to come down with every 50-50 ball. Why not throw
the ball 2 or 3 feet in front ahead of Evans chest high and let him catch it
with outstretched hands on the run. One statement sticks with me that Evans said about Fitz in his quick start. Evans said that Fitz was putting the ball where
only the receiver could catch it.
September 15th, 2019 at 7:02 am
14 games to go. We are 1-1 with a home game vs NY next before that brutal road test. I guess what has surprised me most is the D is much more physical this year. The D is also a lot smarter. Second, the oline has shown they can actually run block. As Bucs fans we have reason to be a little excited. The season as we all know is going to come down to how quickly can this O get it together. We all know what Jameis needs to do. Jameis knows what he has to do. As a Bucs fan I hope Jameis gets it together because the idea of starting over at QB is never a fun ride for this organization. If Jameis does not work out, I’d rather try to get a Vet QB to replace him. As Bucs fans though we need to get behind Jameis and give him this last season to prove himself. That is all we can do.
September 15th, 2019 at 7:06 am
Carolina was a tuff defense until they got McCoy! I loved hearing that soft a** pre-game speech on how he watch Carolina beat the Bucs for years. He sure didn’t help us. Thanks that the cancer is gone and we have a real team!
September 15th, 2019 at 7:10 am
I agree with Webster, nothing but trolls and idiots on this site.
September 15th, 2019 at 7:33 am
To soon to determine the future of Jameis…..
I would say that if we franchise him that means we are still uncertain and it would be prudent to draft a QB….
If Jameis performs well next year under those conditions, then you have a backup or trade material with your drafted QB…..if not, you have a new QB.
And….there could be a new contract but not for $25 or 30 Mil….more like 20….
September 15th, 2019 at 7:43 am
Yeah, I’m nowhere near sold on Jameis as a long-term solution. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not on the “run-Jaboo-outta-town” bandwagon either. But he has to show me that he can avoid making dumb-as-bricks decisions on an EXTENDED basis before I trust him for the long haul. One game is nothing. Jameis has great games all the time. I need a great SEASON before I’m completely sold on him. Of course, my opinion in an empty sack is worth the empty sack, so whatever.
September 15th, 2019 at 7:45 am
Webster.
JW leads the league in giveaways! That’s the main problem we have him. He’s proven time and time again that he’s careless with the football. Yards have nothing to do with it. I’m ok with the way he played because it resulted in zero turnovers. Is that play worth 100mil? F no! JW colors will shine through and we’ll be drafting a QB next year.
September 15th, 2019 at 7:53 am
If you rack and stack all the starting QB in the league, Jameis is at best ranked in the middle. No way he is a top ten talent! I have listed my top 15 QB in the league. Stupid to guarantee Jameis top dollar when top 10 talent is not there and his off the field record is the worst among all QBs.
1. Tom Brady
2. Patrick Mohames
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Russell Wilson
6. Phillip Rivers
7. Matt Ryan
8. Baker Mayfield
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Carson Wentz
11 Jeff Goff
12. Dak Prescott
13. Deshaun Watson
14. Mitchell Trubisky
15 Jimmy Garoppolo
September 15th, 2019 at 7:53 am
LOL…….When he earns it…geesh….his 2 first passes to Godwin were completions but he had the reach behind himself to make the grab….otherwise he would have been off to the races…like Fitzgerald
September 15th, 2019 at 7:58 am
Alabama I believe Winston is better than trubisky an jimmy
September 15th, 2019 at 8:03 am
Not yet…until he proves he isn’t Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde.
September 15th, 2019 at 8:04 am
#1Bucsfan “Alabama I believe Winston is better than trubisky an jimmy”
Perhaps, but it still does not put Jameis in the top ten. He is simply in the middle of the pack – talent wise and #32 when it comes to character off-the-field. If no one else in this league is going to give him top dollar, so why should the Bucs?
September 15th, 2019 at 8:07 am
Let Jameis play the same way he has played the last.four season, only WITH a good defense. Let him sling the rock, let him run and get Arians to at minimum start hrlping lefrwhich assemble the weekly game plans. More screens.and slants. Start making “checkdowns” the prinary target.and creating YAC.
Many of the picks Jameis has thrown are decisiins he wouldny have had to make with a good defense, good coach and field goal kicler. Is he going to throw picks hell yes he will because hes a gun slinger, but the numbers will go down if he is surrounded by beyyer coaching and player execustion. Hes been the qb of one of the worst overall teams.in the league..He doesnt walk on water
September 15th, 2019 at 8:12 am
But Trubisky and Garoppolo are Jeckll and Hyde, too. Either way, if we are listing Trubisky at the half way point, I don’t want to know the crap that is in the bottom half. That’s why Donovan Smith got paid, and I’m afraid that is why Jameis will get paid, too. The only way out is getting slotted for a top QB in the draft.
September 15th, 2019 at 8:19 am
“Mr Bucemup is 100% correct
The sooner BA takes over the playcalling, the sooner we lock the division into the playoffs
My dad and I had enough of Leftfoots wr jumbo screen with slow foot 6’5 ME. We are running the 2018 Leftwich Arizona offense
Mike Smith has come back to us reincarnated as our OC Leftfoot”
Son of Kobe Faker
September 15th, 2019 at 8:29 am
@Alabama
So you rank JW #32 on you re almighty off the field character list for what? Trying to get to third base with an Uber driver? Please give me a freaking break. Where do you rank Big Ben Raperhershitburger?
September 15th, 2019 at 8:31 am
Kobe…you might want to look at the Brate interview on Bucs.com. He indicated part of the problem is the guys on O learning the Offense. And if that is true, you can expect better results with the play calling. If the guys aren’t playing at top speed because they are thinking too much, trying to learn the O, I expect much better results as they settle in to it.
September 15th, 2019 at 8:32 am
Winston has more INTs than any other QB in the league since 2015. Winston is tied for the most fumbles by a QB in the league since 2015. Hence, Winston has more total turnovers than any other QB in the league since 2015.
So here’s a novel idea…..why don’t we see how he does over the next 10-12 games before deciding if he’s worth another dime or not? My guess is….we are drafting a new QB in April. But if JW can win 8-10 games and get his TD/INT ratio up up over 2:1, maybe he sticks around.
Either way, we will know by December if Winston has a future on this team.
September 15th, 2019 at 8:37 am
I have to see more, but either way, it’ll be fun to watch…
September 15th, 2019 at 8:43 am
AlabamaBucsFan:
I have Winston listed as my 21st rated QB in the league. Beside the QB’s you listed, I would also rate
Matthew Stafford
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Kirk Cousins
Marcus Mariota
Ahead of Jameis. Let’s hope JW has finally turned a corner, but my guess is we go 5-11 this season and draft the kid from Oregon or Georgia in April.
September 15th, 2019 at 8:59 am
If hes hot n cold, losing more games than winning, he’ll be lucky to get franchise tag.
September 15th, 2019 at 9:00 am
I want Jameis to earn his money…to EARN IT.
Tampa consists of about 75% bandwagon fans who are led by the nose by trolls and media. Last week, they were mostly off the bandwagon because he had a bad game. This week they are back on because he had a good game. Next week? Who knows?
I like Jameis and believe he can become an elite QB in the future…but so far as earning a new contract here, it’s going to take this entire season to earn it or not earn it.
Just like one win is not enough to convince me Arians has turned this team around…or one loss is not enough to convince me that he hasn’t.
That sais, I’m really hoping for a repeat of Grudens first year.
September 15th, 2019 at 9:01 am
Fromm
September 15th, 2019 at 9:04 am
BB…explain how Jameis will become an “elite QB”….with in inaccuracy and inability to hit the deep ball…many,many of his completions are the result of contorted WR’s coming down with a YAC less catch
September 15th, 2019 at 9:04 am
Who made the decision to get crazy with the video position? Awful work there….. Just stupid.
September 15th, 2019 at 9:07 am
rhenry says “So you rank JW #32 on you re almighty off the field character list for what? Trying to get to third base with an Uber driver?”
Doesn’t mater if Jameis is innocent. Its all about perception and Jameis has two sexual misconduct on his record. One of them is a rape charge in college. Not many teams or GMs want to risk paying a QB top dollar with a lot of bad press.
September 15th, 2019 at 9:13 am
@ joe
Gmac did speak about the bucs specifically. He actually said, “yall have dominated those guys over there for years. Nothing changes today. The only difference is im on this side this time”. Something along those line. He definitely talks about the bucs specifically. Go watch the video
“Those guys” isn’t really specific in Joe’s world, and throw in that the Bucs had beaten Carolina the last time they played. –Joe
September 15th, 2019 at 9:13 am
“This is a statual fact
and my Dad and I are a statistical abnormality
The NFL copies success and what works
BA offense under Leftfoot does not and will not work in the modern NFL
With the repeated hits staying in the pocket, Jaboo nor any other QB will last 16 games”
Son of Kobe Faker
September 15th, 2019 at 9:14 am
That’s some idiotic QB ranking…two are clearly bottom 6 QBs, three are totally unproven, and two are on a downhill slide. Go find a WWE site. You are more suited to that.
September 15th, 2019 at 9:16 am
webster Says:
September 15th, 2019 at 1:32 am
Fyi…jameis had a 103 rating and completed 65% of his passes. You jameis haters are idiots and bi-polar. You say do not praise jameis for all his 300 or 400 yard games because the bucs still lost. Some of you idiots if not all of you bi-polar idiots have said you would rather he throws for 200 yards and the bucs win. So now he throws for 200 yards and the bucs win aided by a good running game and defense (which many of his supporters said is all he needs) yet you are still hating. Its obvious you are not buc fans….you are butt hurt mariotta lovers, salty gator fans, hill billy racist, bi-polar idiots or hating trolls. You will never be happy. It must suck to be you guys
BINGO!!!!! Couldn’t have said it better myself sir.
September 15th, 2019 at 9:22 am
And this is why this is a racist hill billy idiot fan base. I clearly stated that jameis WON thursday all while only throwing for 200 yards in response to idiot hill billy racist bashing him for only throwing for 200 yards when all offseason they scoffed at his 300+ yard passing games. Then this moron named slugglife tries to tell me its all about wins. What am I missing? Didnt jameis win? So why is every hill billy racist still bashing him now for not throwing for 300+ yards? Bi-polar low iq idiot fan base.
September 15th, 2019 at 9:26 am
Webster you are spot on with these guys. He throws for 350 yards and it’s all garbage yards, and even though he got retook the lead late in the 4th quarter in 10 plus games it was all his fault the Bucs were losing. Now he has a game in bad weather and wet field where he is just a game manager and they win and they claim he isn’t special. A nationally televised show is giving the Bucs and their QB props and they are honestly pissed off about it. As a lifelong Buc fan I honestly can’t understand the mentality. They must be casual fans or straight up trolls who actually follow another team secretly.
September 15th, 2019 at 9:34 am
If had earned it he would have it. Not yet. A bunch of yards between the 20’s. When and if he totally proves he is worth it he will get it. If not he will be replaced.
September 15th, 2019 at 9:37 am
How about letting Jameis hit the FA market place then topping the best offer a mill or two….it would be a grim reality check for the Stat Carrier’s …and Jameis too
September 15th, 2019 at 9:38 am
@ jeagan
Andrew luck had the most turnovers in the nfl after his 1st four years with 71. I bet you loved him hill billy racist, butt hurt mariotta lover, salty gator fan, bi-polar idiot fan. So what is your point?
September 15th, 2019 at 9:39 am
Pay the Man – FAMOUS JAMEIS
September 15th, 2019 at 9:43 am
The money has gotten so crazy that it’s no longer relevant to discuss JW’s next contract in terms of how many millions. It will be a lot if he stays!
Rather than think of the actual $$$ IMO we should think of what % of the salary cap he’s going to consume. The money is like monopoly money at this point anyway…but the salary cap hit is for real. And as D.R. showed in his post the salary cap can effect a team’s balance.
Currently JW consumes about 10% of our salary cap…that could jump to more than 15%. How much is left will determine as D.R. suggests our team’s balance…we only think we were in salary cap hell the past year. When those young defenders go off their rookie salaries then the pinch gets serious.
This post was not intended to weigh in on the JW debate as much as how good does he or any QB have to be to “earn” that % of our salary cap.
September 15th, 2019 at 9:45 am
I don’t know what the rules are on JBF…but calling others “racist” should be one of them…. if there was a racist comment it would be deleted and the poster probably banned….so please stop the use of “racist”…it leads to no good and is a reflection on the poster rather than whomever or whatever they can not address with a thought out written response
September 15th, 2019 at 9:46 am
First, Joe writes about what Joe finds interesting. Second, Joe has written plenty about McCoy, including this nonsense right before the game. https://www.joebucsfan.com/2019/09/report-gerald-mccoy-tells-jameis-that-the-media-is-trying-to-get-to-him/ and then the post titled Rattled And Rolled. Heck, in the photo in the top story on the page now shows McCoy inexplicably on the turf.–Joe
September 15th, 2019 at 9:55 am
Also the panthers beat the bucs 8 out of the past 12 games and thats why gmac said yall have dominated them for YEARS and not the last time they played when the bucs happened to win.
September 15th, 2019 at 9:57 am
After two games, 2 TD passes, 3 picks, 2 returned for TD’s, 2 fumbles. Is that worth 100 million? He didn’t blow the last game,hooray! Pay the man, what a joke. Jason Licht is drawing up a new contract as we speak.
September 15th, 2019 at 9:57 am
Webster w ants to nitpick the word a lot and miss the poimt altogether. He barely played well enough to win the game. If our defense didn’t play so well and or Cam struggling we lose. He may have had a good passer rating bit we didn’t exactly ligjt up the scoreboard. And if anyone wants to know why we still rag on him when he throws for 400 yards the odd time os because along with that he generally always throws a couple picks. He either puts up lots of yards with lots of picks and maybe a couple td at best (points 》yards) or he’s careful woth the ball but offense struffles in today’s league to put up 20
September 15th, 2019 at 9:57 am
Too soon, too small a sample size. A good businessman waits.
The key here is CONSISTENCY.
September 15th, 2019 at 10:00 am
That’s a lot of money to pay the 23rd best qb
September 15th, 2019 at 10:06 am
All the jaymiss lovers out there are nuts. Happy with a just ok/below average QB. Sign him long term and watch the bucs lose 10 games a year. Watch a little more football maybe, see what a quality QB looks like. Maybe all the years of garbage has made you numb.
September 15th, 2019 at 10:13 am
Jameis just needs to play game manager for Bucs like Thursday and they can win some games with this defense.
Now in all fairness , you FSU grads were saying after 1 game and a horrible performance that it is just “one game “
Yet after one game where he threw for 200 yards ( but no interception is the key)you are ready to give 30 mil a year ?
Remember good Jameis needs to kill off bad Jameis 1st
To much up and down play in years past . Need whole season to judge.
Plus we won’t be lucky to play the stinking panthers type team all year.
Giants suck so let’s see this stretch with 5 away games or whatever it is.
September 15th, 2019 at 10:15 am
Didn’t make any turnovers but he was given a lot of drives by the defense and we settled for a lot of field goals. He even had at least a couple drives with pretty good field position. It was an alright ga me but with way defense played shouldn’t have come down to them making a stop on final drive. Will need more to dispel last few years of erratic play
September 15th, 2019 at 10:15 am
Joe so blinded and in love with JW, one game and now 5 stories a day on JW.
WHY WOULD YOU BE READY TO PAY A GUY who is the Same consistently inconsistent !!! What’s new one good game , one terrible inexcusable
September 15th, 2019 at 10:27 am
@ bird
Thats not true. Jameis supporters were saying after game 1 that all of his ints were not his fault. Then the coach came out a day later and said the same thing. Many of jameis supporters have always said not all of his turnovers are his fault. We finally have a coach that will call it straight and posters such as yourself cant deal with it because it does not fit your narrative. Btw…jameis supporters are not suprised by thursday game because for 4 years jameis supporters have said all along give this man a running game, kicking game, oline and defense and the bucs will win. You know all the things that brady, brees, wentz, dak, goeff etc has and have had. You say its only one game. Jameis supporters feel this is what we were talking about for 4 years so in jameis supporter’s mind, this is expected if the bucs continue to play as a TEAM.
September 15th, 2019 at 10:29 am
I’m ok with Jameis getting 20M a year 4yr option 5th. Jameis has the tools. With a complete experience staff he can only improve. With Tom Moore there helping. What are we gonna do ?? Start all over with who? Tua , Fromm. I’ll still take my chances with Jameis from those two.
But I’ll still have to see more consistency thru the season. Knowing Jason Licht extending players contract wouldn’t surprise me. Just saying.
With jpp coming back and Shaq , vea , suh playing strong we are making a good defense. Maybe finally a good team has been assemble.
September 15th, 2019 at 10:35 am
Altered Ego
I’m sure Godwin appreciated the shot to his spine, while he was “ boxing out” for JW’s pass too.
JW gonna put somebody in the hospital one day…
September 15th, 2019 at 10:39 am
@Alabama
Lets get it straight. JW was ACCUSED of rape and/or sexual misconduct for the FSU and Uber incidents. No CHARGES were filed, no ARRESTS even after a lengthy investigation for the FSU incident by both the police, the university and the Glazer team before the draft. This is how fake news is spread. Type your facts straight buddy.
September 15th, 2019 at 10:40 am
That is the key Adrnagy, they act like we can just dump Jameis and go draft the next Tom Brady with the 7th pick in the draft next year. Jameis was the number one overall pick and he is up and down. The number 2 overall pick in that draft is running on fumes at this point. Bortles was a top 5 pick and is now a backup. Our injured backup QB was a top 10 pick when he was drafted. For every Carson Wentz there is a Blake Bortles too. If Jameis has a solid season they need to try and sign him to a cap friendly contract that is appropriate for his level of play. Jameis is in a strange position of having tape with plenty of highlight reel throws and a ton of yardage, but is prone to mistakes. My hope is that he plays well the rest of the season and we don’t have to roll the dice by reaching for some QB who may just be another Blaine Gabbert.
September 15th, 2019 at 10:53 am
@ Joe
Why are you so quick to forget how awful Winston was last Sunday? One win versus possibly the worst team in the NFL, and not a blowout, doesn’t make you a powerhouse QB. The last 4+ seasons haven’t produced anything but failure. As long as Jameis is here, we’ll never sniff the playoffs. Is that really good enough for you?? #NoPlayoffs
September 15th, 2019 at 11:02 am
Unless Licht and Arians are settled on Fitzgerald they would be smart to draft a QB to develop behind Winston, especially if they tag JW next season.
End of story
September 15th, 2019 at 11:08 am
Josh Freeman.
September 15th, 2019 at 11:19 am
One freaking game where he doesn’t SUCK and “give him his money”???? Noooooooo!!!
September 15th, 2019 at 11:21 am
14 more games to go for Jameis!
September 15th, 2019 at 11:21 am
J. Jones: “…give Jameis $100 mil…”
McGuinius: “Vernon is one of the best CBs in the league.”
If I made such ill advised statements on my job, I’d be fired! At least BA waits until late-night, after a victory to “crack his Crown”.
September 15th, 2019 at 11:22 am
Morgus the Magnificent One freaking game after San FCran and everyone was calling for his head…funny how one game is supposed to matter one way or the other.
Ryan Griffin this and that…after ONE game.
September 15th, 2019 at 11:25 am
It’s making more and more sense to franchise Winston next year instead of long term deal. After next year the collective bargaining agreement betweeen NTL and players union is up. I think there will be some big changes, wait till the dust settles and then make your moves.
September 15th, 2019 at 11:28 am
Why not?? They WASTED 100 million on GMC. He did bring smiles and laughter to the locker room I suppose.
September 15th, 2019 at 11:35 am
Webster
Yah it is. Excuse after excuse after excuse.
Oh and I am a buc fan so my narrative is just win baby
Could care less where someone goes to college.
Want someone that gives them the best chance to win
And Turnovers have been part of the problem
And I’m good with a game manager with a solid defense.
Not sure that is worth 30 plus million but not my decision
September 15th, 2019 at 11:36 am
MVP!
September 15th, 2019 at 12:19 pm
TDTB
For every Carson Wentz there is a Blake Bortles too….
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And you’re saying JW is where, on this scale?
September 15th, 2019 at 12:27 pm
I think Jameis is really trying to stay away from temptation, potentially compromising situations, and alcohol. He has recognized his demons. Hope he can keep it in check.
September 15th, 2019 at 12:31 pm
Guess you didn’t read the entire post. Jameis is squarely in the middle there. Bortles didn’t play like a true franchise QB at times the way Jameis has. You can’t just ignore all of his 300+ yard games, 4th quarter comebacks and throws into tight windows and on the run to fit your narrative that he sucks. He didn’t not put up all those numbers because he isn’t a good QB. So many on this site have blinders on. As 87 said above the week he sucks they want to run him off and the week he plays decent and they win they claim you can’t base anything off one game. Yes he needs to get better in regards to turn overs, but there is a reason he is still playing and that is because he has put some very impressive stuff on tape. If he can start to take care of the football as the year progresses we should definitely make bringing him back as one of our options.
September 15th, 2019 at 12:46 pm
Bruce wishes Jameis was already locked up the way he and Licht are … but Jameis’ agent may want to wait till 2021 with the new CBA to really hit the biggest contract possible, which would mean he would rather have Jameis play under the franchise tag inn 2020.
To my knowledge no one in the media has asked Licht or Arians or even Jameis about this, not that any of them would feel pressured to answer such a question … but the question is:
“Is it true that you tried to lock Jameis up long-term, but his agent prefers to wait till the new CBA comes into effect?”
September 15th, 2019 at 12:48 pm
James Jones seems to have read the book:
JAMEIS WINSTON DERANGEMENT SYNDROME:
How Media Bias Causes Us to Overlook the Start of a Hall of Fame NFL Career
September 15th, 2019 at 1:01 pm
@AlteredEgo,
If the Glazers let JW hit the free agent markey and have to top the offer by $1-2mil, it will be a grim reality check for them and fans like you.
JW will easily be the #1 free agent available if he hits the market and the Bengals, Broncos, Raiders, 49’ers, Dolphins, Titans and Colts all may be looking for a QB1 … the price would skyrocket.
The Bucs should have tried to lock Jameis up on a 3 year $85m contract before Wentz & Goff signed … now that Goff (an inferior QB – did you see what he did w/ no run game and defense as a rookie? How about the fact JW just played way better against the Panthers than Goff just played against the Panthers despite Goff getting way more run support?) has received $33.5m per, it may cost $15m+ MORE to lock Jameis up for 3 years … waiting may literally have cost the team the ability to pay a starter each of the next 3 years and to therefore lose a guy like Nassib and have to replace him with a late round rookie …
September 15th, 2019 at 1:24 pm
For the logically impaired…Joe runs a blog website that functions from week to week. He did not forget Winston’s Sunday game…he wrote plenty about how bad it was. He focuses on current results each week, with an occasional flashback comment or post.
AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says
“BB…explain how Jameis will become an “elite QB”…”
I didn’t expect the Winston haters to acknowledge that possibility. The truth is, he will never be good enough for you even if he improved in those areas.
I normally would not even acknowledge your comment, but in this case, I will say the following:
Jameis Winston is not elite yet, which is why he does not throw a perfect pass every time he throws the ball. Brett Favre was considered elite, and his interception numbers were high. Jake Plummer threw multiple picks almost every game, and yet he was still considered a very good QB (though not elite).
However, the real way he has a chance to improve is his willingness to work hard to improve those areas, and the availability of coaches experienced in player development (finally).
I liked Dirk Koetter (one of the few) but that doesn’t mean I can’t acknowledge that he had plenty of faults. One of them was that he put players out there and demanded they do their best but he never took the time to develop players…to teach them how to overcome their weaknesses. He expected them to figure it out. He told them what he wanted from them, and then left it to them to make it happen.
The current coaching staff works with the players to spot weaknesses, help them understand what causes them, and teaches them how to overcome them.
That can help Jameis get much, much better.
And the claim that Jameis cannot throw the deep ball is a false one, as is the claim of his inaccuracy. While not every throw is perfect, he gets plenty of passes right where they need to be as well. His detractors never…NEVER acknowledge those passes. They focus only on the ones that are not perfect.
As I said, he is not elite yet…but if he can form the habit of quick passes (of which he is usually very accurate), those passes will gradually increase in distance. Drew Brees is the master of quick, short passes. That’s why he is so hard to blitz. As a result, he has to throw fewer deep passes, reducing the risks of throwing picks. It also causes his pass catchers to be open more when they go deep, because the defense expects short passes. And he also has a great offensive line.
So yeah, Jameis can get better. Accuracy and Deep Passes are teachable and improvable. As is speed (even though many thing speed cannot be taught).
When he masters this offense and the fast passes, it will be like night and day.
September 15th, 2019 at 1:35 pm
This guy is an idiot.
September 15th, 2019 at 1:44 pm
So let me get this straight, Jay Miss barely throws for 200 yards and now we need to sign him to a 100M+ extension? Give me a break! Let’s see how this year pans out. First game he was awful. Second game he was pretty good. So “F” and “B” or “B-“, which probably averages out to a “D+.” That pretty much sums up Jay Miss’s career.
September 15th, 2019 at 2:13 pm
That’s some idiotic QB ranking…two are clearly bottom 6 QBs, three are sensationally unproven, and two are on a downhill slide. Go find a WWE site. You are more suited to that.
September 15th, 2019 at 2:20 pm
31 mil. a year for Jameis! No thank you…
September 15th, 2019 at 2:32 pm
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I love these clowns like Webster and PriMech54 (and some others on here) that say that anyone that criticizes Jameis is somehow a “hater” or someone with an ‘extreme’ viewpoint or even a RACIST! LOL.
Hey Jackholes, the VAST MAJORITY of NFL analysts & experts are in agreement that Jameis Winston has been nothing more than a MEDIOCRE, turnover-prone, liability as an NFL QB so far in his career.
If me siding with the majority of NFL experts makes me ‘extreme’ then I guess I’m extreme.
September 15th, 2019 at 2:38 pm
WHY were two of my posts deleted? I didn’t post any links or recommend any outside sources or say anything mean to anyone in those two posts?
September 15th, 2019 at 2:44 pm
Jameis played better against the Panthers than Goff did the week before … and Goff had MORE run support.
And we all know Goff got $33.5m per year … and we also all know what Goff looked like without a run game in 2016 …Jameis is by far a superior QB when compared to Goff.
The Bucs should have tried to lock JW up for 3 years and $85m BEFORE Goff got paid … not doing so many cost them $15m over the 3 years, which will mean they may need to let a starter go and replace him with a late round draft pick to make up for the salary lost …
Congrats Jameis bashers … your insanity may cost the team you profess to love.
September 15th, 2019 at 3:25 pm
The Bengals who lost by just ONE POINT to the Seahawks, and Andy Dalton who lit Seattle up for 400+ yards just got beat AT HOME by 41 points by the 49’ers … and Dalton threw for just 178 yards.
If not for a holding penalty and two “perfect” passes by Jameis getting picked off the Bucs would have cruised to a 27-16 win against the 49’ers …
Tampa may be better than we all think and the Seahawks may be much worse than we all think … and the 49’ers might be legit.
Every year brings some wild surprises!!!
September 15th, 2019 at 3:41 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
September 15th, 2019 at 9:00 am
That sais, I’m really hoping for a repeat of Grudens first year.
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From your keyboard to gawd’s ear, I wish. However, the defense and Gay give this 40-year Bucs fan hope.
September 15th, 2019 at 3:54 pm
Gawd, talk about an over-reaction. Every year Jameis has two, sometimes three, games that make you think he turned the corner. Then something like last year’s Bengals game happens and you know it was just a fever dream.
He did not win the Panthers game, the Panthers lost it. He only threw one touchdown for all those yards. That is what he is, he can run from the 20 to the 20 with the best of them but he can’t get into the end zone.
September 15th, 2019 at 3:58 pm
Fitzpatrick may have just lost his starting job for good in Miami …
Season Stats:
50% Completion Percentage
274 Pass yards
1 TD and 4 INTs
2 blowout loses
Boy, what were the Bucs thinking letting him go and keeping Jay-Miss?
Hahahahahahahaha
September 15th, 2019 at 3:59 pm
Craig, he’s thrown 5 TDs in 2 games … 2 were called back due to holding and Perriman dropped one.
Jameis has been magnificent in the red zone.
September 15th, 2019 at 4:02 pm
Good ol’ Andy Dalton racked up some garbage time stats …
September 15th, 2019 at 4:15 pm
JAMEIS IS GOING TO GET PAID $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Jameis played better against the Panthers than Goff did the week before … and Goff had MORE run support.
And we all know Goff got $33.5m per year … and we also all know what Goff looked like without a run game in 2016 …Jameis is by far a superior QB when compared to Goff.
The Bucs should have tried to lock JW up for 3 years and $85m BEFORE Goff got paid … not doing so many cost them $15m over the 3 years, which will mean they may need to let a starter go and replace him with a late round draft pick to make up for the salary lost …
Congrats Jameis bashers … your insanity may cost the team you profess to love.
JAMEIS IS GOING TO GET PAID $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
September 15th, 2019 at 4:52 pm
The absolute worst thing we could do is pay and keep Jameis. If you love loosing like he has for 4 years then he’s your guy.
September 15th, 2019 at 5:12 pm
@Dan,
Jameis went 9-7 (playoff worthy record, team only missed on a tie-breaker and they actually beat multiple playoff teams that year while the team that won the tie-breaker, the Lions, never beat a single playoff team that year) as a 22 year old with no run support, and had the woeful Bucs ahead of Brees’ Saints and Ryans’ Falcons.
TEAMS win in the NFL, not good QBs on bad teams. See Aaron Rodgers … miss the playoffs and even had a LOSING record the past 2 years.
September 15th, 2019 at 5:14 pm
@Winester….
Awwwww…..did somebody hurt your feelings? Feel like you gotta be a big tough guy on the board by insulting everyone who doesn’t agree with you?
September 15th, 2019 at 5:17 pm
James Jones has apparently read the book:
JAMEIS WINSTON DERANGEMENT SYNDROME:
How the Media Causes Us to Overlook the Start of a Hall of Fame NFL Career
September 15th, 2019 at 5:57 pm
July Joe – do not put any more sticky icky in that bong of yours and do not pour yourself another Single Malt.
Jay Miss is middle of the pack at absolute best. He’s shown us what he is for 4+ years now and it ain’t very good. Certainly very disappointing for the Number 1 overall pick in the draft.
September 15th, 2019 at 6:31 pm
I am convinced that sportswriters in this town have been totally mesmerized by Jameis’s personality. I have heard many times how great he is and how special he makes them feel. He should run for public office. The Bucs need a franchise quarterback and to almost everyone that has not been personally smoozed by him that is obvious. The exception would be current or former players that want to see all NFL players ” get Paid” as if they are not already. Too many weapons on this offense for such mediocre on good days and bad on most results.
September 15th, 2019 at 6:36 pm
Jameis will take a “team friendly” deal considering this is the family, organization and community that has backed him, for the most part. There are plenty that seem to have an axe to grind but all he can do is be a professional and leader and good things will happen for him. Drew brees down.
September 15th, 2019 at 7:17 pm
July Joe Aka: Ndog…
September 15th, 2019 at 7:34 pm
Well, I clearly over reacted to Week 1 so I’ll just wait and see how much more representative Week 2 is. I watched both games a few times and couldn’t help thinking that he played as badly Week 1 as those of us losing our minds said (i.e. BA was blowing sunshine and hoping to redirect the negativity)… and yet, he also played much better than his already solid stats in Week 2. The overall team difference week to week appeared to be almost entirely a better, smarter and more effective Jameis. We need more of that.
September 15th, 2019 at 8:03 pm
He’s gotta play at least *mostly* in good-Jameis mode. If he’s regressing every other game, it won’t happen. But if he only poops the bed on increasingly rarer occasions, and game 1 is proven to be the warm-up anomaly, then maybe sometime after week 12 or so … https://youtu.be/LhI88tg1Gqg
September 16th, 2019 at 1:26 pm
Our standards must be so low that we now consider it a good game when our QB plays a mediocre & doesn’t actually spot the team other points. Late passes, horrible deep ball and still throwing it to the other team and that’s great?! JW sucks and will be a backup QB in the next 2 to 3 years.