Byron Leftwich: QB Stats Aren’t Very Important

September 11th, 2019

If anyone needs a victory tomorrow night at Carolina, it’s Jameis Winston.

The dude hasn’t eaten a road “W” as a starter since December 2016.

That’s a mind-numbing stretch of games and another mental hurdle America’s Quarterback will need to overcome, in addition to shaking off a rough day against the 49ers on Sunday.

So is it fair to grade a quarterback on wins and losses? That’s a fun debate.

The stat sheet is nice and meaningful, but anyone who has played sports at a truly competitive level will attest that being a winner is true intangible factor. Some people are just better at winning than others, and it even shows up in a team sports.

Joe’s not calling Jameis a loser, but Joe wonders whether there are just too many better winners than Jameis at the quarterback position around the league. On Monday, former Bucs tight end Anthony Becht ranted on WDAE radio about how Jameis has been poor through his career at “big-moment throws,” and Becht said there were examples of that on Sunday.

Yesterday, offensive coordinator Bryon Leftwich was asked about his current message to Jameis and the tail end of his answer was all about how stats aren’t too significant at the quarterback position.

“This thing’s about wins and losses; it’s not really about how many touchdowns you throw or anything like that,” Leftwich said. “You gotta find ways. And when you play that position, you gotta find ways to win football games in any stadium. Your stadium, road stadiums, all you’re trying to do is walk out of that arena with a victory. That’s all his mindset should be. That’s all our mindset is.”

Just win, baby. It’s been said for years.And the phrase has never fit a quarterback better than it does Jameis right now at his point in his career.

He must find a way to win games. It may not be fair or just, or logical to put it all on the quarterback. But overall, that’s the NFL standard.

Joe’s doubts there is one quarterback in modern NFL history (research hasn’t revealed one) who has been a Day 1 rookie starter for a team and earned a sixth year without reaching the playoffs.

That’s not a coincidence.

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86 Responses to “Byron Leftwich: QB Stats Aren’t Very Important”

  1. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Calling DB55…NDog…Rod Mucher…et al….Stat Carrier’s

  2. 813bucboi Says:

    normally after a lousy game like sunday, winston bounces back with a decent/good game…..hoping we get that vs CAR…..

    sunday is in the past….lets get a win….

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  3. Hodad Says:

    When you throw more TD’s to the other team then your own team, I’d say that stat matters. All on board! The excuse train is pulling out of Tampa station!

  4. DB55 Says:

    Just to put things into perspective Jameis Winston holds every buccaneers qb records and he did it in less games than everyone else.

    Which tells me he’s the best that’s every played here so that speaks volumes. Best QBs to wear the uniform yet still can’t win.


  5. stpetebucsfan Says:

    That which does not kill us makes us stronger. Let’s hope JW’s football career hasn’t already died and that he shows renewed strength beginning tomorrow night.

    The pressure is really beginning to mount let’s hope he can handle it.

  6. The Buc Realist Says:

    If you take away the garbage stats, then there is not much left of the so game manager qb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The issue is that the weapons in Tampa have bailed out how bad jmiss actually is!!!!!!!!!!!!! With great catches, and stopping to fight for footballs!!!!!!!! There is a reason there is no YAC in tampa!!!!!!!!!!! There is a reason that there are no bombs and easy touchdowns in Tampa!!!!!!! There is a reason that after trying to catching all those inaccurate passes that are late that Tampa blamed the weapons have to “catch better”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Forget all the INT’s and who’s fault it was, And you will still have a very inaccurate qb playing last sunday in Tampa!!!!!!!!!!!!! That game was garbage and very hard to watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it was so sloppy that it was criminal that they charged money for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Start the Full Rebuild!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. DB55 Says:

    Guess what people, history shows us the Bucs will suck regardless.

    Even Chucky didn’t want to re-sign here just like every other high value free agent. It’s a black hole for football careers.

    JW should sue for pain and suffering. Lmao.

  8. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    I sit next to The Buc Realist Says:

  9. Anonymous Says:

    America´s QB pro bowler…..what a joke!!

  10. zzbuc Says:

    America´s QB Pro bowler, Starts to sound ridiculous Joe….

  11. Says:

    no hope. We know what winston is, he has been eligible for 64 games, probably played in 50 and last week he looked like a rookie in his first game. What other team has given 5 years to a player this mediocre? There is no hope until they get rid of this loser. It may be a false sense of hope, but other teams move on from players like this quicker and the fan base has something new to cheer on and hope for. Licht has handcuffed himself to this kid, bad move and set the franchise back years. Is anyone excite for tomorrow’s game? Expect it to be anything different than its been for yeas (slow start, get behind, too little too late)? Our defense did look better, against a 4 win team with a QB that hasn’t played in a year.

  12. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    “Fair to grade a QB on wins and losses”??? Are you freaking joking Joe??? It is the ONLY thing that matters!! Winston….loser at pro football, loser at life.

  13. DB55 Says:

    Sounds as ridiculous as Tampa Bay Buccaneers professional football team.

    Dudes couldn’t win an ncaa championship. Lmao



  14. DB55 Says:

    25 year old with millions in the bank. Definitely a loser. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  15. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    **55 Games In:

    Jameis Winston


    Josh Freeman

  16. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    55 Games In:

    Jameis Winston (2015-2019)
    • Games Started: 55
    • Completions: 1203
    • Attempts: 1958
    • Incompletions: 755
    • Completion%: 61.44
    • Passing Yards: 14822
    • Touch Downs: 89
    • Interceptions: 61
    • Sacked: 125
    • Y/A: 7.57
    • Rushing Yards: 807
    • Fumbled:40
    • Fumble Recovery: 18


    Josh Freeman (2009-2012)
    • Games Started: 55
    • Completions: 1082
    • Attempts: 1838
    • Incompletions: 756
    • Completion%: 58.87
    • Passing Yards: 12741
    • Touch Downs: 77
    • Interceptions: 62
    • Sacked: 103
    • Y/A: 6.93
    • Rushing Yards: 901
    • Fumbled:37
    • Fumble Recovery: 14

  17. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    **Average Per 16 Games

    Jameis Winston
    • Completion:338
    • Attempts: 550
    • Incompletions: 212
    • Passing Yards: 4161
    • Touch Downs: 25
    • Interceptions:17
    • Sacks: 35
    • Fumbles: 11


    >Josh Freeman
    • Completion:309
    • Attempts: 525
    • Incompletions: 216
    • Passing Yards: 3640
    • Touch Downs: 22
    • Interceptions:18
    • Sacks: 29
    • Fumbles: 11

  18. AllhailJPP Says:

    Nice!! @LUVMYBUCS you win the day

  19. DB55 Says:


    Freeman wasn’t handicapped by having to play with McIceCream his whole career. 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂

  20. DB55 Says:


    I don’t understand looks like Winston got him beat and took more sacks much worse oline.

  21. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    How Many Losses Did…
    -Matt Leinart
    -Gino Torretta
    …Have In College?

    C’mon now, you know that college record don’t mean sh!t lol

  22. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Freeman also played in much more difficult era of football.
    The 2013 rule changes literally changed the face of football.

  23. LUVMYBUCS Says:



  24. Jeff Says:

    Then neither is winning?

  25. D-Rome Says:

    I agree with Leftwich to a point. Even if you take away the “stat” of 3 INTs one cannot say that Jay-Miss played well at all. He looks like the same guy with no touch on the deep ball who is often late in his delivery.

  26. Defense Rules Says:

    LUVMYBUCS … Nice stats, but apparently Byron’s bottom line didn’t take hold … “QB Stats Aren’t Important’. Ya right (I think Byron’s still a little shell-shocked himself from Sunday). Nice comparison of Jameis’ stats vs Josh Freeman’s stats in any event. Jameis certainly had better ‘weapons’ than Josh did, but both got beaten up pretty good.

    Won-loss records tell the story even better though. Freeman had a 24-32 record (2009-2012) while Jameis had a 21-33 record (2015-2018). Bottom line’s not too hard to compute: NEITHER set the world on fire. Of course neither had a quality defense, OLine or running game either (rats, sarcastic font rears its’ ugly head again).

  27. T REX Says:

    To the WInstonpologists: No one cares about some hollow records…the only record that matters is W/L. Winston sucks out loud.

    But but but he has more yards than Peyton Manning!

    The game is completely different from back then. It’s a joke that you even try to compare stats.


  28. LUVMYBUCS Says:



  29. Bruce Blahak Says:

    slow with decisions…what more do you need to say about WinSTUNNED? stuck with this sh*tty QB for another year. He alone destroyed 5 years of Buccaneer football. Be more like 10, breaking in another “savior” …

  30. D-Rome Says:

    LUVMYBUCS, that is amazing! I got a kick out of it because the Jay-Miss WinsTOn excusers keep saying he’s on the same track as Peyton Manning (as if the game was the same 20 years ago). Well, if that was true then Josh Freefree was also on the same track. Look what happened to that guy!

  31. LUVMYBUCS Says:



  32. 813bucboi Says:


    good sh!t….

    very telling…..

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  33. teacherman777 Says:

    We should extend Jameis now for 5 years at 20 million a year.

    Then, we will have enough money to build a truly great team.

    We have sucked for a decade.

    It will take 3 more years to build a winner.

    5 years. 100 million dollars. One of the cheapest starting QB contracts in the NFL.

    Jameis can prove he is a “selfless leader” by taking less money.

    Less money for Jameis equals more money for his brothers.

    “I would take a paycut to play with Jalen Ramsey.”- Jameis Winston at the Draft (google it)

    You know what? Ramsey will be a free agent next year.

    Lets make him the highest paid CB in the NFL.

    Hargreaves and Ramsey? Sounds nice right? With all that cheap depth behind them?

    Go Bucs!

  34. LUVMYBUCS Says:



  35. teacherman777 Says:

    Hes 25 years old guys.

    The way he works, he will be great by the time he is 30.

  36. MadMax Says:

    EXACTLY!!!!!! QB stats are not important!!!

    So then, the garbage yards that some of us point out should be totally thrown out!!! those of us who know, KNOW! How many times have we seen the opposing D play prevent, near the end of a game while their team is ahead by 3 scores or more and JW is able to pad his stats?

    Joes? Anyone? Dont pretend like you dont see it….AHH! But still the harking will go on “he holds this record or that record, most ever from a QB that young” and will still be forced upon us in an argument….smh!


  37. NOSBOS Says:

    Sorta like how Kirk cousins did having only thrown 10 passes last Sunday. Run the Got🤬 football man. 50x if need be.

  38. NOSBOS Says:

    I bet Kirk was smiling his @$$ off after that game. I bet he went home and sat with the wife and was like “my arm feels great honey😊”.

  39. Buc1987 Says:

    15 more games to go.

  40. Smashsquatch Says:

    Leftwich is full of crap, making excuses for JW per BA’s command. Bucs going WAY out of there way to coddle JW knowing his confidence is fragile. This ship is going to sink fast if the coaches keep making excuses for piss poor play at one position only. They call out all the other players but treat JW with kid gloves. I’m losing respect by the minute with this staff for the mixed messages. One week in and we’re already facing a must win on the road in Carolina. I’d be more comfortable with Griffin running the show. He’s a gamer, makes quick reads, and hits his receivers in stride.

  41. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Any thoughts on this kid – Jake Fromm??

  42. MadMax Says:

    Good stuff LUV…just read it.

  43. MadMax Says:

    Fromm? Oh yeah…keep him on your radar!

  44. Jean Lafitte Says:

    He had a chance to redeem himself and win a home game with 2:00 left on the clock last Sunday but he shat the bed. The fact that he hasn’t won a road game since 2016 is brutally pathetic, and it gives me no confidence at all that that will change Thursday night.

  45. MadMax Says:

    If we’re picking around 5-7, he could still be there.

    6’2 but Brees is 6’0 so you dont need a 6’5 running the show, we know that. Look at Murray playing good….man, the qb’s we couldve had.

  46. tickrdr Says:

    LUVMYBUCS for GM, once the Bucs finally come to their senses.


    15 more games, but only 8 -10 for JW3.
    Is his contract this year guaranteed?

  47. MadMax Says:

    ^ yeah I think LUV and I could pretty much head their scouting dept at least lol.

  48. MadMax Says:

    Fromm’s accuracy, the way he moves and his quick release reminds me of Brees more than any of the qb’s ive seen come out in years. Go watch highlights of both and tell me im wrong.

  49. tickrdr Says:

    Here is another comparison.
    America’s QB, ProBowler, #1 overall pick in the NFL draft, Jameis Winston is
    6 -17 in his last 23 starts (3rd and 4th and now 5th years in the league)

    3rd round pick Mike Glennon is
    6 – 16 in 22 starts for his career.

    JW3 has NEVER had a single year where he threw twice as many TDs as INTs.


  50. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Lol Tickrdr & Madmax

    Thanks brothas

  51. Pittsshore Says:

    Bleacher report article associated with JW running out of chances in Tampa.
    Winston later floated a screen into the heart of the defense while falling back against the pass rush. It was the sort of throw you’d expect to see on the Nathan Peterman blooper reel.

  52. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Are you seriously going to rate Jameis over Doug Williams?

  53. BrianBucs Says:

    So then Leftwich agrees with me that stats are for losers. Especially those stats where Winston racks up those garbage time yards against soft or prevent defenses when Bucs are losing.

  54. Bucsfanman Says:

    Stats don’t matter if you are WINNING. You can overlook a mistake if it is overcome by a good play. There’s not a single perfect QB in this league, NONE. What matters is what you do when a drive, a play, or a game is on the line.
    Brees marched the Saints to FG distance, long FG distance, in 38 seconds with one timeout. He didn’t force the ball, he didn’t look rattled. He looked calm. As did Watson on the previous drive for the Texans. The Texans lost but I bet nobody will remember Watson’s bad play, having come so close to winning.
    That’s the difference so far. Jameis is wide-eyed and uncomfortable in these situations. And don’t give me the o-line crap either. Watson was hit just as much as Jameis.
    In the end with the game on the line and the ball in Jameis’ hands, do you trust that he will rise to the occasion or fold like a cheap suit?

  55. DoooshLaRue Says:

    DB55 Says:
    September 11th, 2019 at 11:24 am
    25 year old with millions in the bank. Definitely a loser. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    You sure about that?
    You’re hero/man-crush ain’t real smart.

  56. Pittsshore Says:

    Too Bad Antonio Brown went to Central Michigan and not FSU. He would not be in the current news cycle if he would have went to Free Snowcrab University.

  57. Anonymous Says:

    Of course he hasn’t won a road game in forever. Note to all: He’s not won a lot of home games either. Did anyone notice he is in his fifth year and still doesn’t have a contract and has only proven so far why he shouldn’t get one? When was the last positive story on this loser? Yes, 2016. But what can you do. This fan base is buying tickets still to see him so who cares? Oh wait. No they aren’t. But he sure hits those opposing players in stride. Winston is their secret weapon. How many idiots out there still think this human wasteland is anything other than a backup QB for someone else’s team? BA can’t wait to leave. God Tampa, you suck.

  58. Anonymous Says:

    Winston has all garbage yards, garbage stats because when he produced it didn’t matter. Wiinston’s NFL career so far is a joke. The bigger joke is the Bucs just don’t get it that it’s time to let this loser…yes, he is a loser in life and in football. Go.The only thing he’s good at is talking sh**. Smart people know he is full of it. His homies still cling to him.

  59. Anonymous Says:

    Leftwich and Arians are in full “make Jameis feel better; let them know we love him” mode because he might just come out with another “against the world” shirt after he got caught in lies and deceit over his uber disgust. He an antonio brown should should compare notes.

  60. Anonymous Says:

    Who is that predator who just killed himself in NYC. Epstein, something like that? Yeah, he had millions too. This DB55 says “not a loser.” STFU

  61. D1 Says:


    The idea that winston numbers are on pace with Peyton Manning is about as ridiculous a thought as possible. You’re absolutely right about the game not being comparable today as it was during Peyton’s first 4 years.

    Let’s see where peyton’s numbers ranked in the league as opposed to a simple number for number comparison.

    *I am skipping the actual number and instead showing where in the league the numbers ranked.

    5, 3, 1, 5.

    Passing yards
    3, 3, I, 2.

    Passer rating
    4, 6, 8

    Completion %
    2, 6, 5

    Pass attempts
    1, 4, 3, 6.


    League awards.

    2001 NFL passing leader
    2000 NFL Touch down leader
    Pro Bowl 3xs
    All Pro…..3xs


    The idea of comparing player stats from one Era to another has to have context. Without it, it’s basically useless . Unless you’re looking to bamboozle the low IQ fan. Or personally intellectually challenged. Any intelligent fan realizes that Peyton was at or near the top in the major stats during his first 4yrs, Winston has ……not been top 10 in those categories when compared with his peers.

  62. diggler Says:

    BrianBucs Says:
    September 11th, 2019 at 1:22 pm
    So then Leftwich agrees with me that stats are for losers. Especially those stats where Winston racks up those garbage time yards against soft or prevent defenses when Bucs are losing.

    This is all I understand and go by when judging this supposedly amazing Winston. I learned this by watching Freeman. He was lights out after the game was lost and defense started sitting back, but as soon as it was go time or it was close, here come the picks. For years Ive been calling JW Freeman 2.0.

    Im saying this now BA and Lefty are not wanting JW to succeed. Tell this guy to just go “play football” and “find a way to win” is just doomed for failure. They want to draft QB next year regardless if JW succeeds or fails.

  63. tickrdr Says:

    Excellent post, sir!


  64. RustyRhinos Says:

    We do know the past Head coach agreed with this assessment. The only F’ing thing that matters is WINS. The only stats that matter are the stats from the Wins and losses.

  65. MadMax Says:

    @D1 Oh yeah!

    Us posters, Buc fans, we need to do this and keep doing it (time and health willing). Its the only way the Glazers and others will realize. And these are facts….just flat out facts….no matter how much anyone wants to spin it.

  66. orlbucfan Says:

    Sure hope the fearless Jameis shows up tomorrow night. Man, he was timid and terrible last Sunday. 🙁

  67. Ra'Shad Says:

    Yall funny

  68. Oregonbucsfan Says:

    I can’t believe some of the junk posted here to defend famous jamous. DB55 acts like a poor man’s agent by trotting out comparisons to Buc QBs in the past. At one point someone tried to insinuate that Jameis is the best ever QB the Bucs have ever had. Another wisely pointed out that Doug Williams might have been a tad better. No one, however, mentioned Steve Young, who the Bucs gave to the 49rs.
    But, let’s cut to the chase: Jameis is done- -toast- -dead man walking. He will have good moments and at the wrong time give the game away. How do I know? Simple, he has done it for now 5 years! OL bad, running back bad, defense bad. That’s the basic recipe for Buc stew since 1976. A “good” QB overcomes many of those problems. We don’t have a good QB, let alone a 5 year veteran who deserves $30/year. Time for a blow up. Same as usual.

  69. stpetebucsfan Says:


    I agree with tickdr. Excellent post!

    Thanks for putting some context into the numbers. Stats without context are worse than meaningless, they can also be very misleading.

  70. JimmyJack Says:

    In one game this year Winston prooved stats don’t matter. With two minutes Utes left his stats we’re horrific and he had a chance to erase all of it with a game winning drive.

    He proceeded to give us one play and he just threw the ball into the air. He lost the game for us.

    He now has the defense and early results show a running game. Winston held the back back from winning on Sunday. He needs to get better and it needs to equal wins. Any less is not good enough.

    The excuse were cute for the first 4 years but it’s just not funny anymore. It’s time to start holding this guy to the standards of a professional QB. He faed his first test with flying colors.

    GOO BUCS!!!

  71. JimmyJack Says:


  72. JimmyJack Says:

    Orgeon……Except our defense is not bad this year. They will proove it more on Thursday Night. Our running game looks to be improved also.

    And our OL is average. Let’s no pretend these same guys didn’t block for a top passing attack last year. They for sure blocked good enough Sunday for any decent QB to put up 20+ points & not make oodles of mistakes which was all that was needed for victory.

    Another entire first half with zero points suggests it’s not the scheme. It’s the guy running it.

    Time to get better and get consistent or time to move on.

  73. DB55 Says:


    He’s married to an Ivy League graduate. He will be alright and you’ll still be a doosh

  74. Buczilla Says:

    How many first round quarterbacks taken in the years following the drafting of Jameis have gone on to become at least competent? If this kid had the goods, he would be killing it by his 5th year. I’m hoping for a miracle.

  75. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Beautiful young sista w/the honey brown eyes.. Lawd

  76. Jmarkbuc Says:

    Is he married?

  77. volbuc1 Says:

    2 pick sixes at home to start the season. Sure stats don’t mean anything. SMH!!

  78. Bucsace Says:


  79. Clw JB Says:

    It is JW MO to have a bounce back game after a poor start, but I dont care – I would be running the ball 40 times and throwing 20 -slow this thing down, play ball control, make play action throws with safe protection sets

    Cam wilts under pressure, blitz him early and often from everywhere TB, especially quick in his face pressure

    He also pouts and whines when he gets behind

    Get up early and pound these guys into submission please

  80. Alvin Scissors Harper Says:

    Jay Miss peaked in his first collegiate start at Pittsburgh. His first year starting at FSU, he had the luxury of Kelvin Benjamin, O’Leary and Greene. All he did was chuck 50/50 balls to Benjamin as well as hit receivers who were always wide open.
    Jay Miss thought he was invincible, but was very pedestrian his second year.
    Jay Miss has literally done almost nothing as the 1st overall pick in the draft. It’s year 5. Stop making excuses for the guy! If he really puts it together, he might be able to have an average career, and even that might be a stretch!

  81. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    **Jameis Winston’s QBR declined from (2013-14)

    Winston’s Total QBR in 2014 (74.5) was nearly 15 points worse than it was in 2013 (89.4), when he led FBS quarterbacks in that metric.

    As the projected No. 1 pick, Winston will be the seventh quarterback since 2008 to be drafted in the first three rounds whose college QBR regressed from his first season as a starter to his last. The other six quarterbacks “HAVE NOT” had success in the NFL, to put it lightly.

    NINE quarterbacks drafted in the first three rounds since 2008 improved in QBR while logging at least one elite season (defined as having a QBR of 80 or more).

    They have a .543 career winning percentage in the NFL and a combined 25 playoff starts. Those nine quarterbacks include Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick.

  82. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    **Jimbo Fischer’s Quarterback Stable

    Jameis Winston
    • NFL Draft: 2015 / Round: 1 / Pick: 1

    E.J. Manuel
    • NFL Draft: 2013 / Round: 1 / Pick: 16

    Christian Ponder
    • NFL Draft: 2011 / Round: 1 / Pick: 12

    JaMarcus Russell
    • NFL Draft: 2007 / Round: 1 / Pick: 1

    Rohan Davey
    • NFL Draft: 2002 / Round: 4 / Pick: 117

    Josh Booty
    • NFL Draft: 2001 / Round: 6 / Pick: 172

    Matt Mauck
    • NFL Draft: 2004 / Round: 7 / Pick: 225

  83. MadMax Says:

    May as well tell Leftwich to put a jersey on and get to it!

  84. Capt. Tim Says:

    Qb stats dont matter.
    Only if your QB is Jameis Winston.
    They matter to Brady, Rodgers, and Breez.

    Easy one.
    What Was Winstons QB Rating, at the end in the season last year. Year Before?

    QB rating matters

  85. Hr C Says:

    Leftwick are you stupid? ho I’m sorry YOU are STUPID! stats are everything to a QB. Like I have said on Twitter Jameis will be benched & you will be fired before week 6

  86. Hr C Says:

    Does anybody have Byron Leftwich correct Twitter account address
    Please sent to @HRCcp58