Versatile And Nearly Flawless

August 9th, 2019

First down machine.

It’s no surprise, at least not to Joe, to see the Bucs’ offense march down the field on any opponent.

That’s what happened tonight. But this was a new offense for America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, his first since 2015. And that’s what made the dominant opening drive special against the Steelers.

The Bucs were balanced and efficient. And Jameis was nearly flawless, missing only on a deep shot overthrowing Breshad Perriman. Jameis finished a composed 5-of-6 for 40 yards with an impressive escape-scramble that went for 10 yards.

Chris Godwin broke a tackle on a short throw for a nine-yard touchdown and Jameis’ night was over.

He was precise on the short throws and now an 81-yard touchdown drive marks the opening statement by the Bucco Bruce Arians offense.

Bucs fans, even the Jameis haters, should sleep well tonight.

Next up, the Dolphins and likely a full first-half of action Friday at the Den of Depression.

55 Responses to “Versatile And Nearly Flawless”

  1. 813bucboi Says:

    And folk were worried about Byron calling plays and working with Winston…….


  2. tmaxcon Says:

    Jameis is the most important buc in franchise history hopefully he will accomplish more than the 1 year wonder has beens so we can stop hearing about thier underachieving ways and milking an expired championship nearly 2 decades ago

  3. tmaxcon Says:

    813 it was 1 drive slow down sir…. man bucfan 1 drive and they are sold…. so special

  4. Eric Says:

    At the game he looked good. Good passing, very nifty footwork, and he seems to have reclaimed his leadership role. I was surprised to see a fair number of bucs fans in the crowd. Mostly 3 jerseys.

    Hope it keeps up.

    That rookie kicker was bombing them in there during warmups.

    Also liked the aggressiveness of the defense. Spence was getting back there a lot.

    Ok Joe that’s my in stadium report. Where do I send my bill?

    Good start..

  5. JimmyJack Says:

    I really really liked seeing this offense operate and watching Winston getting the ball out quickly. I really think this offense will benefit Winston and we will see his decision making improve drastically in it.

    The scramble play last year was a great example. He looked down field and did think about throwing for a split second but instead took the gimme 1st down.

    Don’t know what he saw but Ronde said he made a good decision. In Dirk’s offense it seems like he always tryed to make the throw on those types of plays.

  6. Dewey Selmon Says:

    Very nice first drive, actually a screen pass. RoJo/Barber got action. Godwin and Perriman got targets, Winston ran for a first down. A little mix of everything. I noticed WR screens and all this without Evans and OJ’s name getting called.

  7. July Joe Says:

    Jameis was magnificent. The run game was awesome. The OLine played great. Funny how those three things work together.

  8. Buc1987 Says:

    I never worry about Jameis.

    He’ll either win the big one here or in another NFL city imo.

    Always has been my opinion.

    We’ll see.

    Go Bucs!

  9. Bucsfan951 Says:

    I’ll wait for judgement until I see more than 1 series in a meaningless preseason game…

  10. Cgmaster27 Says:

    Maybe well have alter ego come in and tell us the passes weren’t perfect enough to hit the recievers right in stride.

  11. Pryda...sec147 Says:

    Ah a running game is emerging Jamies go ahead son have yourself an MVP breakout season!

  12. D1 Says:

    Jameis played great last pre season and I remember tons of excitement about monken calling plays and the improved offensive line. Seems almost unreal but an archives search will clarify any doubts. Jameis was extremely sharp and there was anticipation of Winston’s return from suspension and how he’d light it up.

    I don’t bring this up to Wizz in anyone’s cereal bowl. Nor dampen what was a nice preview of the team. I mention it because of the comments praising the balance and playcalling along with a coach committed to the run. .

    Guys none of the things mentioned above are possible without the defense improving substantially. Defense was blamed for Winston’s play repeatedly
    Along with the lack of a running game . No defense eliminates the running game or more accurately playing behind on the score board limits the offense to passing. Nothing new it’s been the topic of discussion for awhile.

    I’m suggesting that fans focus on the defense and how it’s performing before pointing out that winston has to bagged his haters with a single series of play in a preseason scrimmage. If the defense doesn’t improve, Winston wont either. Then its turn around and let’s start the same ole same ole nothing burger posts.

    So where’s the praise for the defense. ….or comments about how they performed as a unit. Haters continue to hate winston. His loyal supporters have staked their own children’s life on the idea it’s everyone but jameis . Until he has some great day then it’s. .the opposite as the focus is back on him not the rest of the team.

  13. Red86 Says:

    I’m glad the offense didn’t struggle against 34 defense. It’s been an automatic loss for at least a decade. Hopefully, there is more to come.

  14. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Nice glimpse

  15. Bird Says:

    Jameis looked awesome . Best play was running for first down when it looked like he wanted to make difficult throw on run.

    I knew this would happen though. Commented on yesterday. Joe just said preseason games are basically “meaningless practices “against another team. And that you should not take Any stock in them. But Jameis was almost flawless so it matters now. Sleep easy buc fans. If he had played crappy , joe would have said “ahh. doesn’t mean anything …just another practice “

    And that is why he is called “double standard obsessed joe”

    Or is that you “logical joe” the more realistic slightly objective joe…
    But Gotta love double standard obsessed joe.
    He doesn’t call it like it is

  16. orlbucfan Says:

    First string offense is what brought BA out of retirement and here. I missed the first quarter but will definitely listen to the entire game next week.

  17. Jeagan1999 Says:

    It was an impressive drive and Jameis played very smart and effective football. One pre-season drive does not a season make, but even those of us who have been critical of JW should hope that he has grown and matured as a player and person. And that smarter football will be the result….like we saw last night.

  18. DBS Says:

    It was an excellent drive.minus the overthrow. But it was 1 drive. Let’s see what happens from here on and in the regular season.

  19. Conte Piscatelli Says:

    The biggest take away from the passing game on the opening drive to me was the timing of the plays, a couple quick short throws, a bomb attempt an occasional longer developing route. It’s like mixing your pitches to keep the defense from teeing off on you. It just helps to keep a secondary of rhythm.

  20. mark2001 Says:

    Very nice series…but have to add…I would like to see Jameis hit one of these long passes…instead of it looking like he is just throwing it out there, hoping a receiver can run under it.

  21. Oneilbucs Says:

    I want to see how the defense is going to do . Because if we can’t stop the other teams from scoring it doesn’t matter how good Jamies plays are the running backs we are going to lose.

  22. Bucsfanman Says:

    I’m glad he showed us what we should be expecting from a 5th year “franchise” QB. If it were different, I’d be worried.

  23. WyldKat Says:

    Keep it rolling through the entire season and it’ll be great

  24. Magadude Says:

    Winston looked almost as good as he did LAST pre-season. And so many fans were full of hope when he returned from being suspended from huring his team, and disappointed. Then, he went out and got benched again because of his inbility to avoid throwing the ball to other team.

    Oh, new year, new hope. Winston was on the high part of his sine wave last night. He’s fooled us before though, so many times. Yeah, with the exception of the one play where I think he was trying to hit a Bucs fan in the stands, he was really good on that single drive. Accolades are due. Will he do this all year? That’s the question. We haven’t seen anything new yet.

  25. Magadude Says:

    @Mark2001…coach said no more jump balls. He has no choice but to just heave it on those passes. Hopefully it just sails over everyone and not to the other team as we too often see. It’s only been five years and a suspension. Let’s give him a chance. LOL.

  26. BucsFan727 Says:

    Tmax they can say and believe what they want. You need to slow down. Your the guy that likes to brake check people to get a rise out of them. This ant last years team. The real fans now will be competitive this year. From what I see not alot of fans are keen on your doom and glome. You keep trying to push it on the real fans. I ant buying. Regardless of what they do your just a miserable fan. It will never be enough.

  27. Clay Travis Says:

    @magadude, my BFF, my love, my cuddle buddy, please start spinning the story that anything good JAY-MISS does this year will only be because of Bruce Arians.

    Convince the fans that when JAY-MISS has success he’s just a new Jared Goff, a product of a new system.

    And please keep spinning the story that JAY-MISS was bad in 2019! Do not let anyone know that he was:

    THE BEST QB IN THE ENTIRE NFL “under pressure”

    THE BEST QB IN THE ENTIRE NFL “on 3rd downs (#4 in passer rating and #1 in conversion percentage)

    TOP 5 IN THE ENTIRE NFL IN RAW QBR (which measures everything) which only Drew Brees has done on a losing team other than JAY-MISS since 2014.

    And whatever you do, keep making sure no one reads the book:

    How Media Bias Causes Us to Overlook the Start of a Hall of Fame NFL Career

    THAT BOOK exposes us for the haters we are and we can’t let that happen!

    WE will run JAY-MISS out of Tampa for WE are LEGION!!!


  28. jruss Says:

    @magadude name 1 Buccaneer qb in the history of the franchise better than JW… I’ll wait…

  29. BucsBandit Says:

    Winston was FLAWLESS in preseason last year too. He looked very, very sharp.

    But let’s not go getting our hopes up too high until he can prove throughout entire games that he doesn’t lose his focus on protecting the ball.

  30. July Joe Says:


    So, being #1 in the entire NFL under pressure and on 3rd downs and finishing top 5 in Raw QBR in 2018 wasn’t impressive enough foryou, eh?

    Maybe he can be even better than #1 in those areas this year, LOL.

    Give Jameis a mere league-average, as in 16th ranked defense and run game, and he’ll go to the playoffs every year.

  31. PriMech54 Says:

    Clay Travis wins JBF for the day. Everyone close up shop.

  32. Magadude Says:

    It’s amusing that I actually bought the book, and read it, and have stated here over and over folks should buy the book. Yes, it sucks, and I’ve been clear…and more than fair…on that too: Buy the book! Were it up to me if I made the call, Winston would have been gone end of 2017 season, and I’d have moved on. Baker Mayfield, even Will Grier.
    I didn’t try to “run him out of town” then, and am not now. It’s funny some think: 1. A fan can have such power and 2. That a one-sided book will somehow fix the so-called “false narratives” against this poor young who isn’t treated fairly as he haults in $21M. This is a website where folks post their opinions. God Bless America for that! Too bad some want to use it for other purposes. The homosexual innuendo and split personalities and attack attack attack and accuse mode seems too common with too many Winston lovers. What gives with that? Some of you guys really do have agendas. It’s like you’re on some sort of crusade.

    @Jruss….really? smdh. You don’t get it.

  33. Buc1987 Says:

    Winston also looked pretty flawless towards the end of LAST season too.

  34. PriMech54 Says:

    Maga you have a dude on here today calling you his cuddle buddy. You have officially been son’ed. No one gives two $h!+s what you would have done with Winston.

    I’m sure Drake would love to have Kaepernick as his franchise QB if given the opportunity to start a franchise. Doesn’t actually mean he knows what the hell he’s talking about. Go ahead and log out for the day, sir.

  35. Clay Travis Says:

    Mr. PriMech54,

    How dare you insult my beloved @magadude; how dare you!

    @magadude knows a great QB when he sees one! Didn’t you see him mention Will Grier, a guy who has the same gunslinger mentality as JAY-MISS but nowhere near the talent or skill. THAT is the kind of QB Tampa needs, not some 24 year old thug who was #1 under pressure, the best 3rd down QB in the NFL and top 5 in Raw QBR while playing behind a bad O-Line with no run game!

    He even mentioned Baker Mayfield even though the Bucs didn’t have the #1 pick needed for him in 2018 and even though he believes “stats are for losers” and JAY-MISS beat Mayfield head-to-head last year, because he is perfectly logical and so, so smart, you only wish you had his great football mind.

    @magadude is my beautiful cuddle-bunny and he knows QBs!


  36. BucsBandit Says:

    @July Joe

    You’re either new to the NFL or don’t actually watch the games. Stats don’t tell the entire picture. What was Jameis’ QBR during the FIRST HALF of games when it can’t be blamed on the Defense. How was his redzone conversion? Spoiler Alert: He wasn’t so great.

    As has been discussed ad nauseam on this site, Winston racks up a lot of yards and QBR stats when the team is already down 2-3 scores. Defenses play softer coverage knowing we need to score, and so he completes a lot of underneath stuff over and over until the end of the game; which still results in losses.

    Winston isn’t a great (or even ‘good’) NFL QB because of his TURNOVER issues. While one can blame losses on our terrible Defense, which certainly shares their part of those losses no doubt, many games Winston has turned the ball over early in the game and giving opposing teams short fields which leads to padded leads we never recover from.

    There’s a reason when Doug Martin ran for 2nd in league in yardage (over 1,400 yards!) in Winston’s first season, Winston still couldn’t win… can’t blame that on the running game. Our D always wasn’t as bad as it was last season when it hit rock bottom. So there’s more going then just those stats show.

    Again, if you truly believe none of our CONTINUED LOSSES OVER HIS ENTIRE CAREER aren’t his fault, then you’re not actually watching the games.

  37. PriMech54 Says:

    @Clay Travis

    You know, I’m actually starting to come around… I think… I think I might be seeing the light…

    YES! I’ve finally been saved. What did it was one great and wise epiphany that just descended upon me. This holy revelation was none other than:


  38. Magadude Says:

    @Buc1987…you are so right. Winston had a near perfect game against PIT about 8 years ago. He played well last preeason, and good last night. He has had some good games. No, some great games. Which proves he’s on a HoF path…if we only ignore all the other stuff, and shout down, attack, or whatever to those who dare bring that up. Clown show. Someone should write a book about it how great Winston really is, if only the results and other facts didn’t get in the way. Brilliant!

  39. Clay Travis Says:


    Yes, you are one of THE LEGION now my beloved! Like @magadude you can now do the Lord’s work and run JAY-MISS and his kind out of Tampa and bring in the glorious reign of Ryan Griffin or some great QB like Will Grier or another rookie QB!

    Welcome to the legion of true and wise Bucs fans who know JAY-MISS must go!!!

  40. July Joe Says:


    Like @magadude, you don’t even understand the stats. It’s clear from your comment that you have absolutely no clue how QBR even works, which is hilarious, as you’re trying to lecture me about it.

    The entire reason it is so ridiculously impressive that Winston finished top 5 in QBR is because he was on a losing team. The ONLY other QB in the entire NFL to finish top 5 in the last 4 seasons since Winston was drafted, on a losing team, was Drew Bress. The reason is because QBR is heavily skewed to benefit QBs that play with a lead and is the stat that is most tied to W/L record. THAT is precisely why it was so impressive that Winston finished top 5 as he almost never played with a lead and the team record was so poor,

    The next time you want to try to lecture someone, you may want to have an actual understanding of what you’re talking about.

    The FACT is that in 2018, Jameis Winston was the BEST QB in the entire NFL on 3rd downs and when pressured, and he was that while playing behind a bad O-Line and with no run game … but yeah, run THAT GUY out of town to replace him with some far less talented backup rookie like Will Grier as @magadude advocated.

    CLOWNS … so, so, so many CLOWNS follow this team …

  41. Clay Travis Says:

    SHUT UP @July Joe!

    @BucsBandit and @Magadude are true visionaries who know that only trash QBs can finish #1 in the entire NFL on 3rd downs and under pressure and top 5 in QBR. You’re an idiot who can’t understand logic! The Bucs would be so much better off with Will Grier or even Ryan Griffin!


  42. Magadude Says:

    PriMech54 Says:
    August 10th, 2019 at 1:51 pm
    Maga you have a dude on here today calling you his cuddle buddy. You have officially been son’ed. No one gives two $h!+s what you would have done with Winston.
    Actually, that’s not true at all. I know, really? That’s what I’d think. People ask not only what I’d do, but I’d rather have, etc etc. And of course, when I answer those the attacks on family, integrity, accusations on race, and political leanings all happen. You are late to the party. Better late than never though!

  43. Magadude Says:

    BucsBandit Says:
    August 10th, 2019 at 2:21 pm “Winston isn’t a great (or even ‘good’) NFL QB because of his TURNOVER issues. While one can blame losses on our terrible Defense, which certainly shares their part of those losses no doubt, many games Winston has turned the ball over early in the game and giving opposing teams short fields which leads to padded leads we never recover from.”

    Oh my, the apologists will send you to he11 for that. You have to understand…it’s what’s they think is fair; reality doesn’t matter. But I’m thinking…they are right. If Winston didn’t throw so many picks, have so many offfield issues, didn’t put the ball on the ground, if he had a good a D, good coaches, and the receivers never dropped the ball, and if they had 15 foot long arms…he WOULD BE GREAT! Sadly, he’s only got garbage yards.

  44. Clay Travis Says:

    You tell him @magadude!

    You are the wisest football fan on this forum and all should bow to your vast knowledge of QBs. Only a true genius knows JAY-MISS sucks and Will Grier (a white Jameis with far less talent) would be better for this team!

    And only a logical person like you can say “stats are for losers” and all that matters is winning the game, and then also say that Baker Mayfield is infinitely better than JAY-MISS when JAY-MISS beat him head to head in a game where Jameis totalled 420 yards, had to drop back about 60 TIMES and even had to lead his team in rushing!

    YOU are THE GENIUS on this site my beloved!

    I love you so much and can’t wait to cuddle tonight!!!

  45. July Joe Says:

    Watching @magadude and @BucsBandit chat is like watching the blind lead the blind right into a ditch; it’s hilarious.

    Neither understand QBR at all, or have any clue how to evaluate QB play but they sure “agree with each other’s ignorance”, LOL.

    QBR does not reward “garbage stats”; THAT is why it is the stat that is most tied to wins and losses and THAT is why it is so impressive that Jameis finished top 5 on such a bad team. Anyone with even a modicum of knowledge knows that, but @maga and @bandit are clueless; hilarious.

    It always cracks me up to see two completely ignorant folks agreeing with each other and thinking each other is knowledgeable, it’s like watching Dumb&Dumber play out in real life.

  46. Clay Travis Says:

    SHUT UP @JulyJoe!

    @magadude can be both completely clueless about QBR and advanced stats and still be a genius about QBR and advanced stats, such is the awesome power he possesses!


  47. BucsBandit Says:

    @July Joe

    Yeah you’re right. I’m crazy and don’t know what I’m talking about. Winston has this awesome QBR rating and that alone clearly proves he’s a great QB, probably Top 3 in the NFL, or Top 5 at worst. OH BUT WAIT…

    You know what the other Top 10 starting QBs in the NFL last season (the ones lower in QBR rating) DON’T have in common with Jameis Winston?

    None of them got BENCHED for their poor play.

    But you keep hanging into that QBR stat to help you sleep at night, brother.

  48. DalvinCookRules Says:

    As a former big-time Winston fan (still a little bit of a fan, but I do see more soberly now), I think we shouldn’t try to make much of that one drive by Winston and the OC. On the contrary, it looked like JW was getting rid of the ball quickly, but to a predetermined target, which is not a great thing.

    It is kind of like Kyler Murray’s debut. I still believe Kyler will be a HUGE bust and those quick little, short out patterns were not nearly enough to get me to drink the koolaid. Murray looks like a kid that even the sideline cheerleaders could tackle with one hand.

  49. July Joe Says:


    Cute comeback, but you were still proven to have no clue what you were talking about with QBR, so why would anyone believe you have any clue when you speak on any football-related topic as it’s obvious you like to just BS your way through your posts and wait for other ignorant fans like @maga to agree with you?

    By the way, you know who else was “benched”, by THREE DIFFERENT TEAMS no less? Kurt Warner! Where is he? In the HALL OF FAME.

    And Warner was benched for garbage QBs who had not played well to date while Winston was benched once for a guy who put up MVP numbers in the first 3 games.

    But yeah, ignore QBR, passer rating under pressure, passer rating on 3rd downs and 3rd down conversion percentage, so you can pretend Winston is trash … that sounds logical.

  50. BucsBandit Says:

    @July Joe

    WRONG. I know exactly what QBR is, the made-up stat from ESPN that many disagree with and has caused some controversy. Anyone that has followed football closely about it. QBR tries to account for ‘garbage’ time play and other things to avoid stat-padding of the old QB rating system. Neither is perfect, and everyone knows it.

    QBR does not account for many critical elements of the game that only an actual “Eye Test” can. Like the value of turnovers WHEN they happen and its impact on the game. Clearly a turnover created early in a game that gives the other team a short field and helps them build momentum an early lead is far more devastating than a turnover in the middle of a close game that may not result in points for the other team, etc. There are many other nuances to the game not accurately ‘calculated’ purely by the QBR; and many experts have discussed this.

    I never said Winston was trash. I’ve merely stated he’s a mediocre NFL QB. He has stretches of stellar play but he has a real problem maintaining the focus and good play for entire games, often leading to terrible turnovers and over accuracy issues that have led to MANY losses in his 4 years as a starter.

    And it’s ironic that you mention the great Kurt Warner who is now an excellent NFL analyst. Go to the NFL’s web site and read his recent “QB Rankings” breakdown of his Top 10 QBs…

    I’ll give you a Spoiler Alert… Jameis Winston is not in his Top 10.

    AlSO… head on over to the Sporting News and their 2019 QB Rankings list from 1 to 32…

    Winston is ranked #20 on their list in their “3rd Tier’ and the analysis mentions it’s because of his turnovers and ‘sloppy passing.”

    NBC SPORTS and Chris Simm’s 2019 NFL QB Rankings…

    Jameis Winston #27.

    ATHLON SPORTS 2019 NFL QB Rankings…

    Jameis Winston #26.

    CBS SPORTS rankings for Top 10 QBs…

    Jameis Winston UNLISTED.

    SPORTS ILLUSTRATED rankings for Top 10 QBs…

    Jameis Winston UNLISTED.


    So about that mighty QBR rating and you saying I don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to Jameis Winston and the NFL…

    Why does EVERY major NFL analyst and expert AGREE WITH ME that Winston is a mediocre QB?

    I think the only one “proven to have no clue” about Winston is YOU.

  51. Magadude Says:

    @BucsBandit who says “I never said Winston was trash. I’ve merely stated he’s a mediocre NFL QB. He has stretches of stellar play but he has a real problem maintaining the focus and good play for entire games, often leading to terrible turnovers and over accuracy issues that have led to MANY losses in his 4 years as a starter.”

    But that’s not true, the Apologists shall declare, louder and louder the more you point those facts out. Why is it what you say is in line with experts and analysts? The answer is easy: You are all haters. You will be shouted down. All are wrong but the chosen few.

    Saying Jameis is anything less than Hall of Fame is a “false narrative” and you must be called out! You say mediocre, they KNOW you mean “trash.” They will tell you.

    Here’s a more serious answer: You live in the real world and are asking very reasonable qustions. Some of those guys don’t accept reality.

  52. BucsBandit Says:


    Exactly. Notice how they never want to discuss certain things about Winston like his turnovers, accuracy issues, and other bad decisions that have led to many losses.

    They’re DELUSIONAL fans that claim they know more about Jameis Winston than NFL experts do. It would be one thing if many experts said he was one of the best while others said otherwise. But THEY ALL agree that right now he’s a mediocre QB, often in the bottom half of the league compared to all 32 starters.

    I’ll take siding with NFL Experts that analyze the game for a living over delusional fans that think because they saw him play at FSU, own his jersey, and have a Winston bobble-head doll on their cubicle desks at work that they know better than the experts do.

  53. Magadude Says:

    Yeah, I think you are probably in good company. Of course though, you think he’s “trash” and I “hate” him is how he/they try to spin it. There is no moderated medium with them. What can you do?

  54. BucsBandit Says:

    @maga – you forgot “racist!” too. That one is always my favorite. Especially since I truly love this team (the majority of which aren’t white) yet somehow I’m racist for not liking the black QB that we happened to have now; yet I loved Doug Williams, one of my all-time favorites, strongly rooted for Shaun King (even, though, I hated he had a weak arm), and even at one time had hoped Josh Johnson would become our future.

  55. Magadude Says:

    @Bandit…the skizoid hasn’t used that one yet. They prefer the homesexual jokes and trying to out you by making stuff up. That keeps them from looking racist and stupid…Actually, not them. That’s not nice. Let me clarify, they just say stupid stuff.