“Does It Actually Have Lasting Impact?”

July 23rd, 2019

Ex-Bucs stud Booger McFarland and former Tampa Bay backup QB Dan Orlovsky were blubbering about the Bucccaneers today, specifically America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.

During the “Get Up” show on BSPN, both former Bucs believe Jameis has a better shot at earning a 2020 contract than Marcus Mariota, Jameis’ QB comrade from the 2015 NFL Draft.

Both Booker and Orlovsky are very high on the positives in Jameis’ game, but they see clear fixes needed.

“The problem is he makes too many mistakes,” Booger said, noting he thinks a contract year will be a heck of a tonic for Jameis. “There’s no motivation in sports like money.”

Booger thinks Jameis is set up wonderfully to succeed with the Bruce Arians coaching staff and having an elite receiver in Mike Evans.

Orlovsky added that Jameis needs to understand what Gary Kubiak and Peyton Manning preached to him long ago. Orlovsky and Manning were teammates in 2011, when Manning was hurt and Orlovsky started five games helping the Colts “Suck for Luck.”

“When you have that ball in your hand, it’s not just your career, it’s everybody in this building’s job, and Jameis needs to adopt that mindset,” Orlovsky said of the Manning mindset.

A small of the Jameis-Mariota segment was posted in the Twitter video below, where Orlovsky wonders aloud whether Jameis learned from being benched in midseason last year.

48 Responses to ““Does It Actually Have Lasting Impact?””

  1. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Shouldn’t have this many questions after 56 games from a #1 overall pick who was hyped up as the best pro prospect since Luck and who has a high football IQ

    Were all those pre draft scouts wrong or was Jameis overhyped after one elite season at FSU and one average season?

  2. Sport Says:

    He sure did. It was evident in his demeanor and his play. That benching took balls by Koetter and I give him credit for it. He knew his job was on the line and did it anyways. It may have been the turning point for getting out of the Den of depression.

    In BA I Trust!

  3. Magadude Says:

    The Kubiac/Manning/Orlovsky teaching is sound. If talking just about football, Winston clearly has much more to offer than Mariota, and is also much more durable thus far. It will also come down what the purpose is for these QBs for their teams. If it comes to “face of the franchise” both have their challenges, but Mariota gets the advantage there. The whole person concept matters a lot. Frankly, I didn’t want to see either of them drafted for the Bucs. All of it may be OBE because neither team may find these guys to be worth a big extension, for different reasons.

  4. Magadude Says:

    @Loyal…the Glazers were desperate for both a QB and face of the franchise to build not just the team, but the organization around. The gameday, the stadium, the uniforms (swing and a miss there!) were all part of building this thing back up. So I think they were hoping they’d not have this many questions after 56 games, and looked past too much in hoping to strike it rich with a guy who was a Florida favorite. One way or another, they will be happy some answers will be revealed by season end, as I’m sure most fans will be.

  5. 813bucboi Says:


    i agree…..

    GO BUCS!!!!

  6. Ndog Says:

    That’s just the problem Loyal there are not that many questions, as compared to almost every QB ever! But the media clearly has a strong dislike for Jameis ever since ESPN started to crusade many years ago. His issues are not unlike many before him including Manning, Luck and many others before him. But that’s ok when he tears it up this season everyone will be singing his praises like the two faced punks they are. No talent freaking hacks that don’t even watch the teams play, all they do is repeat the same crap everyone else says over and over again. That’s what’s wrong with this country, no body actually wants to work and are flat out LAZY.

  7. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Arians 2019 = Koetter 2016. All the same things were said back then.

  8. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    The common thread? Winston.

  9. El Buco Realisto Says:

    There is one easy way to “fix” the problem, and that is with the Bucs 1st round draft pick!!!!!!!!! The Bucs will save 25 million!!!!! All the off the field problems, all the “settlements” , No more media leaks of who this year “does not have jw3 back, or is a malcontent” according to the jw3 camp!!!!!!!!!!! And if another team over pays for the fold like a lawn chair qb, then the Bucs will get a 5th round compensatory pick!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is time to stop trying to fix the failed foundation that incompetent lovie and light weight laid and did a poor job “vetting”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. Ndog Says:

    Yeah Realist and Mike Smith was the solution as well, right. Dude just shut up and go back to your hole, you have ZERO creditability.

  11. BucAllNight Says:

    can’t wait till all yall HAVE to STFU… We make playoffs and JW gets his 100Mil…

    Then what yall gonna complain about?

    11- 5

    Playoff Ride

    Go Bucs!!

  12. Silent_Partner Says:

    A mediocre player on great teams and a backup is exactly who you should be getting advice from. Do they give anybody a gig these days? Now that he has a real coach, he can finally shine.

  13. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:


    Watch the All 22 and you will see a QB who

    -Is inaccurate for long stretches
    -Locks onto one receiver, while ignoring a wide open option
    -Makes bad decisions with the ball, throwing to double coverage when a better option is open
    -is slow with making decisions which helps the defense break up a pass or intercept a ball
    -throws behind and too high for receivers consistently
    -doesn’t throw the ball away

    With receivers like Evans, Godwin, Brate, Howard and others there is ZERO excuse to throw into double coverage. Defenses can’t double them all

    I’m not sure if he doesn’t see the field well or if he just trust certain guys more but after all this time there are a lot of questions about his game

  14. Ndog Says:

    I know I’m viewed as a Jameis Homer but come on folks. Koetter was a joke, had no control of his team, and did not have Jameis’s back with started with the injury in 2017 at the latest. Them he had a WR on his own team working against him in every way possible. Then he had a horrific defense, horrific kicking game and a running game the coaching staff didn’t even pretend to care about. I mean no matter how you feel about Jameis the man, from a pure football player standpoint no one can say that is an environment for success. Rip me if you want but all of those things are facts and at that point it doesn’t matter how we got there/here all that matters is how you evaluate how one does when many of these issues have been dealt with (Koetter gone BA in, DJax gone, actually want to run the ball and have a balanced offense, HOPEFULLY a decent Defense and a decent kicker). That is all that matters and if you simply look at how Jameis played before the injury happened all of these same folks thought he was great and were predicting a great year for us. Then bam they bring in the diva, Jameis gets hurts, Koetter throws him under the bus by playing him hurt and saying he’s fine (which if true why was he to hurt later in the year to play). Then the suspension comes down with less evidence then Tyrek Hill yet he gets suspended (still his fault for being in such a STUPID situation). Then the whole Fitz thing happens and Koetter folds like a lawn chair and does the clear stupid and panic move and sticks with Fitz killing his relationship with Jameis this is career as a coach in Tampa. So again I know everyone is going to say excuses, excuses but all of these things did happen so call them what you will. The fact remains there are many reasons to believe our QB will not only be good enough but be GREAT! It’s time to believe folks and jump on board cause……WHY NOT!?!?!?!?!

  15. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says
    “Shouldn’t have this many questions after 56 games from a #1 overall pick who was hyped up as the best pro prospect since Luck and who has a high football IQ

    Were all those pre draft scouts wrong or was Jameis overhyped after one elite season at FSU and one average season?”

    Even Peyton Manning needed a defense to win a Superbowl. And one of the best kickers.

    Here’s what I actually see: The Bucs had a top passing offense last year…the best in the league or close to it. Yes, part of that was Fitz, but only the first few games. Either way, the Bucs had top passing offenses each year Jameis was here (4,000 yards 3 years in a row, setting records).

    Jameis would not have done that if he wasn’t great. Yes, he makes mistakes, but most of the time he also overcomes those mistakes.

    But you cannot put the blame on him when he gets us leads and the defense blows it. Nor can you blame him when a kicker costs us multiple games per year.

    Last year was a down year for him, but he also had his highest passer rating.

    So this isn’t like the QBs of Bucs past. Jameis is the best QB this team has had perform for it. Letting him go would restart the QB Curse fast than Trump can tweet insults at an ethic citizen.

  16. Race to 10 Says:

    Loyaltotheend Section 312

    Loyal to the end is the complete opposite about everything you post here which is 99.9% negative, think you should change teams or at the very least change your name to reflect the grim perspective you have of the team your claiming to be loyal to. If your a season ticket holder or something I would find it moronic to pay for something you hate year in year out. But I’m willing to bet you’ll wait until you feel ridiculous about all the negativity you put on these pages.

  17. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Ndog, I agree with ya.

  18. Ndog Says:

    That’s fine Loyal you see that but I also believe you are looking for that cause that is what you want to see, you also see on film great anticipation, outstanding touch, great timing, precision location on passes, elusive movement to avoid the rush and lastly tremendous passion and will to win. It is just a matter of confidence in himself, his teammates and most importantly HIS COACHES. When you head coach is openly supporting a player on your team that doesn’t work hard and is trying to destroy you career how do you ANYONE to react? In fact how would you react and feel in that circumstance? Would you believe and have full faith in that same boss who just the year before also threw you under the bus when you were injury on the job?

  19. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Just LOOK at how this offense absolutely took off with…….yeah, wait for it…….drum roll……RYAN FITZPATRICK!!! Do NOT spend 100 million on the incompetent Winston!!! Get a GOOD QB and watch the fortunes rise!!!

  20. Buc1987 Says:

    Just win…………already!

  21. stpetebucsfan Says:

    NDOG Yes you are viewed as a JW homer but that’s fine. A little passion is good for any fan. Perhaps though you could ease up on those of us who see two sides of the JW coin. The others who are just here blabbering nonsense are a waste of your time anyway.

    I’m with MAGADUDE on this one. Here is the only resemblance of a fact posted in this thread.

    “One way or another, they will be happy some answers will be revealed by season end, as I’m sure most fans will be.”

    EXACTLY. That pleases me and relaxes me when it comes to JW.

    IMHO I think JW explodes this year. However I’m not betting the farm on it that’s for sure. All reports indicate that he no longer parties and gets wasted at three am…he has a significant other and a child…I’m choosing to believe that has settled him down.

    I’m also choosing to believe last year’s traumatic year with benching and suspension has also settled him down on the field.

    Don’t get too excited though NDOG…I’m the blog’s cockeyed optimist. LMAO

  22. Magadude Says:

    @Ndog, says “Koetter was a joke, had no control of his team, and did not have Jameis’s back with started with the injury in 2017 at the latest.”

    Okay now, first, Koetter is gone and deserved to be. But if I recall, that injury was about the time of eating Ws and other bizarre stuff, getting Evans suspended with the poking Lattimore stuff (two team captains), not running the play sent in, and the the Uber stuff came out that put all in the organization into a tailspin for at least six months (the effects of which are still probably not done). So, shouldn’t really expect anyone to “have his back” when Winston didn’t do what he needs as a face of the franchise, pro football player, team captain, and just a man. I’m not starting the Winston rag-on, but the man deserved to put down and away due to the shame and trouble. To me, Koetter probably had more patence with Winston than Winston deserved.

    So all those guys who didn’t perform, on and off the field (including the coaches), are G-O-N-E, except for those they couldn’t afford to get rid of, and those who are still under the microscope.

  23. SOEbuc Says:

    The only reason to win is the money Booger??? What about all the natural love for the game burning in their hearts???…lol

  24. JA Says:

    Joes loves Jameis! He’s great for business as he generates 5-10 times the comments received by any other issue or player. This love-hate factor keeps the Joes flying in luxury leer jets and staying in away game swanky hotels with beautiful runway model babes on each arm.
    If we had a QB without controversy the Joes would be relegated to sitting in the cheap seats and taking Greyhound busses to away games with the hope of lassoing babes that hung out in bus stations.
    Yes, the Joes love em some Jameis!
    He’s like an annuity.
    Seriously though, in spite of what some of you think, Jameis ain’t a bad QB either …

  25. Tye Says:

    I can only hope that the scouts are under direct orders to ‘deep dive’ evaluate the young qbs entering this next draft… be at every game, collect tape on them, learn all they can about strengths and weaknesses and come 2020 draft, this team FINALLY gets a qb worth building a solid team around…

    I can easily see the Bucs losing horribly by mid-season and panic set in to yank JW and say enough is enough…
    If Bruce is truly interested in sticking around another season, he may use the last 8 games to prove he can make the tough decisions and deserves a shot to coach this team with a winning qb!

  26. BFFL Says:

    Booger was a big disappointment for the Bucs. Huge under performer.

  27. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    It will be a long ugly year here….

  28. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Race to 10

    Being critical of losing and poor performances is not being disloyal

    I’m a fan of the team players come and go but I’m still here rooting for the team

  29. Pittsshore Says:

    NDog and Bonzai prove their football ignorance on this site DAILY. You two would trust in JW if he were leading a group of crazy arse ISIS radicals. Will both of you change your “handles” on this site once he is benched after week 4/6? Although, ignorance won’t change you or JW. He is nothing more than Ryan Leaf with a little more charisma and a college campus police Dorsett that let him run the redneck town of Tallahassee for a few years. Mark my words: he will be in prison within the next 5 years. OJ will look like a saint before he runs the course.

  30. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:


    Jameis has some great qualities as well

    -pocket presence is amazing
    -hard to tackle
    -extends plays well
    -short to intermediate throws are his strength
    -better mobility than most give him credit for

    So it’s not all bad for Jameis he’s just not consistent enough to get the love as a great qb or even a promising player

  31. Bird Says:


    You were just saying like 2 days ago that it’s ok for posters to have their own opinion
    And then someone criticizes Jameis and you call them a punk like you just did/ idiot / loser /clueless. Blah blah blah. .

    The other day you even told someone to grow up ..after you repeatedly say a lot of days “just cut him …cut him already … just cut him “. Pretty much throwing a temper Tandrum like a child.

    Dude -hypocrite much?

    I mean do you listen to yourself. It’s ok to criticize a player. It’s ok to criticize Jameis.
    Booger McFarland is still a huge buc supporter and Jameis fan but his criticism is right on. Or is he a punk too. ? Are most analysts that are paid to watch all games including the Bucs punks if they criticize Jameis?

    Personally , I think Jameis could throw for 5,000 yards this year with BA and all these weapons. But until Jameis gets some W’s next to his name cause that’s how quarterbacks are judged these days (fair or foul) and cuts down on turnovers then why would a team throw 35 mil a year at him.

  32. Dapostman Says:

    Dan Orvlosky on one of those talking head ESPN shows said last year that Winston would not be a Buc in 2019. Yet here we are.

    Not a credible opinion.

  33. BucsBandit Says:

    NDOG loses all credibility trying to blame Jameis’ woes on Dirk Koetter.

    In case you weren’t paying attention, Ndog, Koetter led our team to the most productive Offense in Buccaneers History. Winston’s “issues” are hardly Koetter’s fault.

    I can’t believe so many Winston homers like Ndog that post on this site are never able to admit that Jameis himself has NOT been a great NFL QB after FOUR YEARS. He has had moments of great play, but overall he is INCONSISTENT at best.

    It will be a fantastic day in Tampa Bay when the Bucs kick Winston to the curb and build around someone else.

  34. BucsBandit Says:


    There will be an article posted on this site in the near future that will be touting Winston’s #2,459th “This time it will be different” strategy/fix/superstition/coach/potion/etc.

  35. Old School Athlete Says:

    Ndog, great post. I’m really tired of hearing about Jameis ‘ “off the field issues”. Hasn’t the man suffered enough for whatever may or may not have happened? He’s been humiliated before the whole world. Is he really responsible for a line made of Swiss cheese, schemes from the 90’s, stupid penalties, bad kicking, etc?
    As has been correctly pointed out, most of his “poor football decisions” have come when we were down by multiple scores and Jameis knew if he didn’t make something happen, we had no chance. If everyone on this team had his work ethic, willingness to prepare and desire to win, we wouldn’t be talking about going 5 and 11 again! (And I think we’re gonna be better than 5-11).
    Also, I’m not going to insult those who disagree with me by saying they’re not “real fans”.

  36. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Old School

    “If everyone on this team had his work ethic, willingness to prepare and desire to win, we wouldn’t be talking about going 5 and 11 again!”

    And I think he wants to win more than many of the guys…he’s consumed and that’s good and bad. If we can settle him down a bit and let the game come to him I think he’ll be fine on the field.

    I’m not over the off field stuff though. I believe the family and last year’s humiliation will hopefully prevent any more hijinks.

    But there can be little doubt JW betrayed his team dramatically and I surely wouldn’t have wanted him in a foxhole with me.

    To almost miss out on being the top draft pick because of all the off field “hijinks”…get bailed by the Bucs who took a chance on him when plenty were screaming…no take the good human being Mariota..and show your gratitude by hanging out with losers like a convicted rapist..so drunk you claim your blacked out..3AM…the FIRST off season after the Bucs rolled the dice?

    Really? I don’t need proof of the girl’s word…or somebody saying nobody can prove JW lied to the team….there are plenty of established FACTS to shame JW. 3AM…blackout drunk at a bar with two losers…one a convicted rapist…

    America loves redemption…I’ll be happy not just as a Buc’s fan to see JW turn it around this year. I’ll be happy as a human being enjoying another human beings success at maturing into a quality guy not just a talented athlete.

  37. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Amen BucsBandit !!

  38. Ndog Says:

    Old school for the record I don’t believe I said they are not real fans, and if I did i should not have, but what I often question and hardly standby is their football intelligence, or lack thereof. People on here talking about lack of accuracy or no touch or can’t hit the deep ball and that’s is just ridiculous. Now if you want to say he forces the ball too much, holds the ball too long at times, tries to involve his teammates to make them happy we he shouldn’t sure. But the other stuff is just jibberish. So all I ask is if someone is going to criticize anyone be accurate and don’t make stuff up, it’s not that hard if you actually watch the game with a unbias eye. For instance Mike Evans is a great WR no doubt BUT he goes down after the catch to quickly and doesn’t look for YAC. Barber runs extremely hard but does look to make people miss enough and is all about punishing the DBs. Donovan Smith is a great talent but gets lazy with his feet and quits on plays too early. See it isn’t that hard I think all of these players have tremendous ability and can do great things for OUR team but they are not perfect just like Jameis. And for the record Bandit you’re flat record again. Please let me know when I said Jameis has played like a great QB first and foremost. Have I said numbers wise he is on a HOF pace, yes I have cause he is but that does not mean I said he is playing great. Also Koetters job was to not solely produce a great passing attack it was to win games and if you think not committing to running the ball, not holding DJax, Swaggy Baker, GMC or Mike Smith accountable for basically his entire time here then I don’t know what to tell you. Do you also remember him saying about Peyton Barber he’s no Gayle Sayers? WTFWT? Way to rip one of hardest working players on your team, that’s some great motivation there. The guy flat sucked at his job and just by having a real coach are a better team. You heard the phrase real recognizes real? Well the players knew that joker was no head coach. And if you haven’t noticed Jameis is here and sorry for you there is a VERY GOOD chance he will soon sign a very big and long contract so then what will you do? That is the real question for folks that are clueless err on the other side of the fence. But if for some reason he is gone trust me I will still be here cause I always am. Peace folks!!!!!!

  39. StonedBuc Says:

    Heckles is wrong, players can be surely motivated by championships and rings over money. Money can be made anywhere. Winning the super bowl is is a key to many places that money can’t buy.

  40. geno711 Says:

    Mike Sando of the Athletic did his 6th annual rating of the NFL quarterbacks. This year he had 55 NFL coaches and executives participate.

    A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations.

    A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.

    A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defense to win. A lower-volume passing offense makes his job easier.

    A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player with some upside or a veteran who is ultimately best suited as a backup.

    Jameis Winston – 22nd overall out of 30
    Tier 2 votes: 6 | Tier 3 votes: 41 | Tier 4 votes: 8

    Marcus Mariota – 26th overall
    Tier 2 votes: 2 | Tier 3 votes: 44 | Tier 4 votes: 9

  41. JimmyJack Says:

    I don’t think we should expect anybody to rank Winston very highly.

    He got picked of ten times in his 3 & 1/2 games coming off suspension. Then he got benched. That’s an awful look for any NFL QB. He did come back and play better but it all equal inconsistency with is a really bad trait for a QB.

    But it’s all good cause the best QB coach of our generation is in Tampa now. Be certain that Winston will have mastery the plays we use and the team around him will play solid confident football and will fight for their QB.

    Winston will get the credit he deserves but will have to earn it the old fashioned way!!

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  42. Oneilbucs Says:

    We have a trash defense. A trash running back. Trash special team . We have a trash offensive line and defensive line. And all we focus on is the quarterback? Lol lol we are not 1 quarterback away from wining the super bowl guys come on man yall be tripping!!!!! Lol lol

  43. BucsBandit Says:

    Ndog – sorry, bro, but you’re DELUSIONAL.

    Just making comments like Djax, Baker, McCoy, and coach Smith weren’t held accountable by Koetter makes you NAIVE and someone that just continues to write ‘word salad’ thoughts to try and make points match your biased opinions. You love going on these long rants without much actual substance.

    How do you know Koetter never held any of them accountable? You’re CLUELESS. You don’t know what went on in team meetings or behind closed doors. Smith was a bad coach, but we also lacked personnel on D to be a good unit regardless of who was coaching. A coaching change on D seemed to help some, but they were still a below average defense.

  44. BucsBandit Says:

    ONEIL – no one is only focused on the QB. Where have you been? This happens to be an article about JAMEIS.

    And dude… enough of this “Winston didn’t play well because we lacked a running game” excuse.


  45. Oneilbucs Says:

    Bucsbandit that was his rookie year. And our defense was ranked 32 that year also . You have to build a defense first before you build a offense. But don’t worry he will be gone after this year and yall will have to find some one else to blame. So when he is gone then who will be the next scapegoat???

  46. Jeffbuc Says:

    Everyone acts like this jameis should have us as perennial playoff contenders. This is a team sport are team and coaching has been horrible his whole career. Has he looked horrible at times yes. But if you watch any other nfl games all qbs go through spots in game where they look horrible. It is just looks worse to us bucs fans because we have watched every snap. And the bad is always remembered more than the good. Has he ever had a decent team around him and got to play with a double digit lead where he can take what the defense gives. The answer is no we are always losing or in a shootout where he knows he has to make a play every drive or game is over. Or we are playing from behind and on 3rd and 12 because we ran up the middle the previous two plays he has to just give a receiver a chance to make a catch or game over anyways. He has never said a word about his team being bad around him. Never once pulled a Big Ben and throw his receivers under the bus for running the wrong route. He comes to the podium after every loss and says it’s his fault he has to do better. Give this guy a lead for half his games and see what happens. Being down 20 plus in the 2nd I would like to see even the greats passer rating in that situation. The defense line pinning there ears back and playing 6 dbs. Recipe for turnovers. That my friends is fact. And that is what he has been against 80% of his games. But I see you jameis Hager’s disdain also the first halves where he is 8-20 for 64 yards that happens 80% of his games. So after that I am just as torn as the media with this guy. If only he could play Atlanta 16 times a year he would break every qb record

  47. BucsBandit Says:

    Oneil – the Bucs D that year was NOT ranked last in the NFL. They were in the 20s. Stop posting false facts to justify your narrative.

    As far as who will be the scapeboat then? Probably any other QB that doesn’t perform well. That’s how the NFL works.

  48. Oneilbucs Says:

    Bucsbandit you don’t know nothing about football. Ain’t no team is one quarterback away from wining a super bowl. You are a national media guy . You believe everything that they tell you. They don’t even watch bucs games. A good team wins championships not a quarterback. First learn about football then make your comments.