PFF Tribe: Bucs No. 26
June 27th, 2019
The tribe has spoken.
In the eyes of the PFF Tribe, former Bucs coach Dirk Koetter, Father Dungy and Bucco Bruce Arians are all conning Bucs fans.
Koetter, when manning the Bucs, was caught on “Hard Knocks” telling his team it was the most talented Bucs roster he had seen since he arrived in Tampa Bay.
Father Dungy, a year later, said there was no doubt in his mind the Bucs had the talent to make a playoff run. Arians, since he was hired in January, Arians has often talked about their being enough talent to win now.
The PFF Tribe, typing for BSPN as a well-trained orangutan can, is calling their bluff.
In determining who has the most talent in all of the NFL, the numberscrunchers have the Bucs rated near the bottom, and certainly the worst in the NFC South at No. 26 overall.
The Bucs return most of perhaps the division’s best, if not one of the conference’s best, receiving corps in 2019. The emergence of Chris Godwin — who had the league’s seventh-lowest drop rate last year — the capable hands of Mike Evans, O.J. Howard and Cameron Brate and the team’s offseason acquisitions have set Jameis Winston up for a strong Year 5. In an injury-shortened campaign, Howard finished third among tight ends by averaging 2.26 yards per route run and was well on his way to stardom before being shut down.
But it falls off the cliff from there and Joe will have more on this over the next couple of days.
Some interesting nuggets the Tribe offered up: First, the Bucs will start at right guard, not Alex Cappa but the Earl of Watford. Also, the tribe has the Bucs starting both Carlton Davis and Vernon Hargreaves at corner along with rookie corner Sean Murphy-Bunting. And with Jason Pierre-Paul out for who knows how long, the Tribe has at starting defensive end every quarterback’s nightmare, Will Gholston.
June 27th, 2019 at 12:10 am
Every slow back up running back’s nightmare, Will Gholston.
June 27th, 2019 at 12:13 am
This is all speculative. Take a deep breath and lets wait for pads.
June 27th, 2019 at 12:43 am
I don’t think Arians and co. would keep any of the guys around if they could not play.
With saying that we gonna surprise a lotta ppl. I believe Arians just didn’t come for JW. He came because we had a good team. He didn’t come to have a 5-11 season
June 27th, 2019 at 12:53 am
The key difference is looking at a team in a vacuum vs comparing it to it’s peers in the division and elsewhere. When you look at some players via draft status or contract you can have high expectations. Except every team has talent somewhere. Every team has multiple first round picks starting for them or some free agents signed over the course of years. The goal is to be BETTER than your peers and what has the offensive line, running backs, defensive line, or defensive backs in a class above the rest of the league?
The expectations should be in line with a team that has a running average record of 5-11 over the past 11 seasons. Playing against other NFL teams have not made these rosters look as good as they seem on paper.
June 27th, 2019 at 1:40 am
Alex Cappa is not a guard. He’s never played guard. He’s always played tackle since pee wee football and high school. He said this in a college interview.
June 27th, 2019 at 1:42 am
I don’t know why Liedtke, who has a prototypical guard physique is left out of the conversation for RG.
June 27th, 2019 at 2:02 am
The bucs were a house of cards in 2019 if you really looked at the team. The Raiders game was the tell all when carr ripped them up for 500 plus and coooper ran circles around our #1 pick VH3…the bucs need to blow it all up and star fresh because 2019 is at best 7 wins
June 27th, 2019 at 3:19 am
“The numberscrunchers have the Bucs rated near the bottom, and certainly the worst in the NFC South at No. 26 overall.”
At this point that’s probably a fair analysis, as well as a meaningless analysis. Bucs have a new coaching staff & will surely have LOTS of new starters. How well this TEAM comes together & how well it matches up with this year’s opponents is anyone’s GUESS right now. PFF is simply prognosticating to make a buck (yes Joe, including a link that JBFers would have to pay for to access is dirty pool).
And Dusthty, the Bucs have ALREADY blown it up … on defense & on S/Ts. Switching to a 3-4 hybrid necessitated that (well that & the fact that last year’s defensive players REALLY stunk it up, as did our S/Ts). And unless this offense produces big this year, it’ll get blown up next year as well (extremely difficult to blow EVERYTHING up in a single year?). You MAY be right about 7 wins, or others may be right about 10, 11, 12 wins … or even 4 or 5 wins. So many factors go into have a successful season (like injuries?) that there’s no way know right now. But time will tell.
June 27th, 2019 at 4:29 am
The difference is BA and his Golf cart. Otherwise this might just be the same team across the board from last year. Only counting on more rookies and without 12.5 sacks. 26 seems about right for the moment.
June 27th, 2019 at 4:37 am
I’m watching the 1979 NFC Championship game. Here’s my take away so far:
• The visiting Rams team was staying at the Holiday Inn
• The Rams center was playing at 240 lbs
• Leroy Selmon was playing 3-4 DE at 255
• Leroy Selmon played fast–sideline to sideline like a freaking linebacker and was in on multiple tackles in the 1st quarter, as well as helping stack the line on a goal line stop
• The shoulder pads are all comic book huge LOL
Man, how times have changed.
June 27th, 2019 at 4:45 am
In 2018 each of our division foes had at least 1 pro-bowler on their oline. The Saints had 4, Falcons 2 and Car 1 and more than half of those guys have multiple pb appearances.
Logan Mankins (2015) and Davin Joseph (2011) were TB’s most recent pro-bowlers on the offensive line.
June 27th, 2019 at 5:31 am
Dungy did his due for sure. Koetter brought early hope only to disappoint, like so many other coaches before. There is nothing else BA can say about his current roster because they can’t really afford anyone else.
It is probably considered to be extremely optimistic for this team to start 2-4 (perhaps wins over SF and NYG). Winning in England has a chance, but I’m not put any money on it. If they don’t win the season opener (a late gate game in brutal weather with a better than average chance of at least one rain delay to a actual crowd of 53K max), they could start 0-6.
People are putting a LOT of (overly high) expectations on BA and Devin White that I don’t think is healthy for a Bucs fans’ well-being in the end.
June 27th, 2019 at 5:38 am
I’m starting to think Gholston has something on Licht.
June 27th, 2019 at 6:43 am
“I’m watching the 1979 NFC Championship game. Here’s my take away…”
•Our offense was horrible. Defense was on the field for 2/3 of the game.
•Doug Williams left in the 2nd half with a knee. Mike Guy actually threw the ball better, but it was futile. Everyone was always covered.
•Leroy Selmon left in the 2nd half with a knee.
•Larry Mucker was our best receiver that day.
•Jack and Jim Youngblood and Jackie Slater were standouts for the Rams.
•It still ticks me off that McKay went for it on 4th down 3 times instead of kicking field goals when we couldn’t move the ball. Game could have been sent to overtime. :/
•Special Report at halftime with an update about Iran. LOL some things don’t change.
June 27th, 2019 at 6:44 am
I have to agree Magadude, SF and NYG are the only likely wins really until Arizona. Assuming no unforeseen injuries in camp both SF and NY could easily win those games and if you read their boards, fully expect too.
I have said it before, imagine if we lose to the niner’s in week 1? the wheels could come off really quick.
BA and his golf cart…we shall see. Hopefully those wheels don’t come off.
June 27th, 2019 at 8:01 am
100 to 1 to win the super bowl. BA or BS we shall see in September.
June 27th, 2019 at 8:15 am
shout out to Walter, wherever you are.
June 27th, 2019 at 8:18 am
The PFF tribe make rankings based on performance. Obviously, a 5-11 team is going to be ranked low. The hypothesis is that the team was coached poorly and players were not put in position to succeed. BA and gang will unleash untapped potential. Let’s see how they do with a competent D coordinator and coaching staff. Until then, this PFF list is meaningless.
June 27th, 2019 at 8:33 am
@barack’s crack pipe. I was at that game. I was hoping that I would never be reminded of it again…. thanks for the (bad) memories.
June 27th, 2019 at 8:39 am
PFF is correct in their assessment of the Bucs receiving corps. That’s why it’s a disgrace to see Jay-Miss puke all over himself with INTs and fumbles. Jay-Miss is holding the offense back, not the other way around. Don’t give me this crap about yards either. Touchdowns are what matters!
June 27th, 2019 at 9:23 am
they dont watch the games….all they do is crunch numbers…..lol…
GO BUCS!!!!
June 27th, 2019 at 10:03 am
I guess BSPN wasn’t too impressed with Gump’s draft. Picking the 35th best CB that early in the 2nd, while passing on desperately needed OL help.
Also, trading the best RB is NCAA history (8.2 YPC) for two magic beans.
At least the team is ranked head and shoulders above the GM’s rating. (2nd to last).
June 27th, 2019 at 10:23 am
The solution to this is and always has been,,,WINNING. When..our Bucs stat winning. The media’s tunes will start to change for the better. Keep on losing
and keep your distinguished title as, Premium Cellar Dwellers
June 27th, 2019 at 10:55 am
I’m not putting the opener at SF into the win column yet.
June 27th, 2019 at 12:22 pm
When you spend a lot of your life around football, you become aware of things that stand out positive and negative…
It happens… Vegas doesn’t just post random guesses for each team..
Some you notice have the right talent in crucial places that work together and play sufficiently and then there are teams that don’t because their great talent exposes their lesser like one gear struggling because the next gear is sticking or jammed…
The Bucs do not stand out as a well synchronized team!
4-12 and if some calls go their way 6-10 tops..
June 27th, 2019 at 12:59 pm
Classic Buc fans…agree with the good assessment but then disagree with the bad. This is a bad football TEAM with a really poor schedule.
EXPECT 6-10. More than that you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
June 27th, 2019 at 2:37 pm
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Must win game against the Niners. If not them, who else will we beat?
Hopefully Garoppolo will be rusty.
tickrdr
Extra credit: Without looking it up, name the Niners tight end.
Huge extra credit: Without looking it up, name the Niners’ wide receivers.
June 27th, 2019 at 2:42 pm
Buc4evr Says:
June 27th, 2019 at 8:33 am
@barack’s crack pipe. I was at that game. I was hoping that I would never be reminded of it again…. thanks for the (bad) memories.
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LOL
Sorry, Dude. It was cool, though, seeing how much excitement existed at one time in the Big Sombrero.
June 27th, 2019 at 6:43 pm
@Pete I, I agree completely. Hope they come out strong and do well four days later. New coaches, new schemes…have to grow into them. I dunno.
June 28th, 2019 at 1:09 pm
If talk gets you to the playoffs then the Bucs should be in the super bowl this year.