Patience Is A Virtue

June 23rd, 2019

A QB with seven playoff starts this decade had a worse start to his career than Jameis.

Once upon a time, there was a No. 1 overall pick in the draft, a quarterback with a lousy, losing record after five years in the NFL.

The team that drafted him kept him, despite the ugly start. As it turned out, it was a smart move. This same quarterback would go on to start three conference championship games.

Despite the start of his NFL career being turrible, Joe is guessing if you asked quite a few Bucs fans if they would rather have this quarterback than America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, those same fans would likely run through a door to get him.

Sadly, his career may have been ruined with a broken leg. But Alex Smith, now with the Redskins, never had a winning record like Jameis had in his first five years in the NFL. Yet the 49ers, who drafted him, didn’t toss him to the curb. And the next thing you know, once they got a good quarterback coach (Jim Harbaugh), Smith led the 49ers to the 2011 NFC championship game where they lost in overtime to the Giants.

Jameis had the Bucs in a wild card hunt his first year, only to see the team collapse in December. Jameis also had the Bucs in a hunt for a wild card his second year, when the Bucs finished 9-7 with key wins down the stretch on the road in Kansas City and San Diego.

Smith had none of that success in his first five seasons.

In his first four years, Jameis has double the passing yards of Smith’s first four seasons, double the number of pass attempts but a better pass completion percentage despite so many more throws. Jameis also has 15 more picks than Smith had in his first four seasons. Additionally, Jameis has twice as many yards rushing as Smith in his first four seasons.

You can click here to look at Jameis’s stats compared to Smith’s first four years.

Yet there are people — like Ira — who #BlameJameis for the losses and want to the Bucs to turn the page. Nevermind John Elway would have struggled with such a s(p)it defense and no running game the past three seasons (and maybe not this year, either).

Yet the 49ers didn’t make a kneejerk reaction and kept Smith, despite the former Utah quarterback having an awful five-year start to his career. Now, that same quarterback (if he didn’t have a broken leg), the same Jameis haters would welcome him with open arms while kicking Jameis to the sidewalk.

67 Responses to “Patience Is A Virtue”

  1. Kalind Says:

    Perfect point Joe! Do we wanna sell Jameis down the river just to have him beat us when he turns 28 in 3 years? And then he’s a pro bowl guy? On a good team? Or do we ride it out like good teams?

    Gotta hang in there and build around him. Running game, decent defense and he’s a playoff win immediately

  2. Costa Rica John Says:

    Football is a team sport. It doesn’t matter who the QB is if the team plays bad you will lose. The Bucs are in a Division with some other really good teams so every year it’s going to be a struggle to make the playoffs. We have some of the pieces in place but the other teams seem to be ahead of us with talent. There’s no way I would dump Jameis and start again. Support him and get better on defense then let’s see what happens. Bucs fan for life!

  3. Succaneers Says:

    Winston sucks, he will suck 2-3 games and be replaced by Blaine Gabbert

  4. Pittsshore Says:

    Big difference Joe: Alex Smith is smart, JW is dumb. Alex Smith does not turn the ball over, JW is a turnover machine and will always be as such. You see, dumb people make dumb mistakes when they are under pressure.

  5. DBS Says:

    Someone folded like a cheap suit when they were in the playoff hunt. But it wasn’t the entire team. In fact the defense had turned around .

  6. Magadude Says:

    Well, First, Alex Smith didn’t hurt his team by being only the second QB in NFL history for getting susepended for “unwanted touching in a sexual way.” The Niners didn’t take an already huge (and ill-advised) risk on a guy with character flaws who was a ticking time bomb, only to rear his ugly head again. And with one phone call, Joe would likely not be coming close to writing this story. Winston’s net effect so far on bring in new Bucs fans is negative…added to the losses, high prices, and social activism that is killing the NFL. Not all on Winston, but he’s a big part of the draft on local fans.

    Second, when was Alex Smith ever a prospect to be a Buc? Just like Mariota, who wasn’t picked anyway (and I’m glad). It’s not an either/or decision…sometimes it’s “neither.” Winston has displayed some flashes of great talent and play, couintered enough by poor decision making and mistakes on the field. Those in themselves are enough to say it’s now do it or go. But given all the other baggage that drags the whole organization and community down, it’s time to turn to he page. Winston isn’t worth it. He won’t be.

    I think history may view Winston’s first year a bit differently than Joe. If you want to call being 6-6 in the hunt, techically one could be correct. But the very next week and the quater of the seaason without a win, I don’t think anyone considered them in the hunt as opposed to not mathematically eliminated.
    Heck, I’d jump at 6-6 this year. I’d loe to see 3-3. But a 10-6 team, much less and 8-8 team, will rarely do anything in the NFL. Oh yeah, and Lovie got fired. And how about that D in 2016? You know, the one got Mike Smith HC pay?

    Winston is the last sorry memory remaining of the last several years.

  7. DoooshLaRue Says:

    Jameis had the Bucs in a wild card hunt his first year, only to see the team collapse in December. Jameis also had the Bucs in a hunt for a wild card his second year, when the Bucs finished 9-7 with key wins down the stretch on the road in Kansas City and San Diego.

    Oh, ok…….

    So Jameis (solely) had us in the wildcard hunt, but when we don’t win it’s suddenly the defenses’ fault?


  8. Andrew Says:

    Great find joe. During this stretch, Alex smith threw an interception on 3.66% of his attempts. Jameis- 3.01%. You do not get rid of a young, talented, hard working qb driven to succeed. You can’t give him 6 pass catchers, no defense, and no running game, and tell him win but don’t turn it over. Impossible.

  9. Magadude Says:

    Palmer (recently retired), E. Manning, Smith, Russell, Stafford, Bradford, Newton, Luck, Winston, Goff, and Mayfield off to what looks like a good start. Pretty much all of them except Russell absoltuely blow Winston away, and NONE of them have the Baggage Winston does. Yup, some of them like Luck and Smith are not good for hang time in keeping healthy. We don’t even have to get into other 1st rounders, 2nd round, etc to see other QBs, like Russell Wilson far exceed anything Winston has. True, most have teams, but taken separately, NONE of those are a negative force for frachise image.

    I get it, at least one Joe is pulling for Winston to stay and looking past a LOT OF KEY STUFF that cannot be dismissed. But looking at the above…he’s just not worth it.

  10. Oregonbucsfan Says:

    Regardless of the similarity of having lousy teams, this is an apple and oranges comparison. Smith went to Utah, hardly a suburb of SF. Jameis comes to the Bucs as a “homeboy” from FSU. This has lead Seminole fans to overstate Jameis’ accomplishments, while gator fans dislike him reflex ably.
    Smith got better each year- -Jameis may have regressed. Don’t think Smithwas the turnover machine Jameis is.

    Net-net, this is THE year for Jameis! Perform like a top 15 QB or he needs to sit on the same rail that Licht rides out of town.

  11. DBS Says:

    Just like he has 4000 yards a year. Except when it counts.How many did not get in the Red Zone when it mattered the most? Sorry we do calculate those numbers. Or points left on the field. Just it’s always the defense or someone else unless they WIN.

  12. ben Says:

    after 4 years Winston is rated WAY BELOW AVERAGE by the nfl . He lied to the team and his long ball accuracy is a big question. The bucs have excellent receivers but every year excuses are made for the number 1 pick in the draft.I keep buying season tkts in the hope but the bucs gm needs to be gone and this needs to be Winston’s very (very) last chance.

  13. Alanbucsfan Says:

    There’s no suspension, no “malcontents “, a great head coach with a proven track record, great weapons…
    Barring injuries, Jameis has no excuses-
    And I don’t want to hear about the rookies on Defense- they are better than what Bucs have had in last 8-10 years.

  14. Pick6 Says:

    Like Jameis, Smith was subject to crappy rosters, and in-over-their-head coaches and once his organization got it right everything changed

  15. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    49ers in Harbaugh’s first year had a nasty D and good running game as well.

    If your trying to defend Jameis with Alex Smith that m and we will drafting a QB high next year.

    Clueless Joe fails again in defending Jameis

  16. Oneilbucs Says:

    Coastal you are talking about a fan base that don’t know nothing about football. I’ve been saying the same thing. It takes a team to win games but all the bad teams fan base and as a franchise and the national media focus on the quarterback position .

  17. CB Says:

    The difference is, Jameis loses games on his own. Even when the team is playing well, there is a chance that JW3 will make a bad mistake and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    2019 will be the decision-making year – he has no excuses not be play like a #1 overall pick

  18. Buccfan37 Says:

    Patience is a virtue, but after a while you die with nothing to show for waiting but losing seasons. Bummed out Bucs fans.

  19. Oneilbucs Says:

    And also Joe the national media never criticized Smith no matter how many games the 49ers lost . They blame team for losing . They focused on the defense being bad as well as the running game. But for the bucs losing they never blame nothing but the quarterback. They never talk about the bucs defense are running game. When they talk about the bucs it’s always Jamies fault and that’s why most people this site is blaming Jamies for every thing wrong with our team. And the rest is just hate for Jamies. They hope he fails regardless. I just say let’s support him and the team cause he’s on the team. And no he haven’t been perfect and that’s why I bring up Andrew luck so much cause he haven’t been perfect eather but the national media and his fan base and franchise support him regardless. Even when his team lose they look at every thing around him when plays good or bad. But Jamies is the reason why we lose every game. Cause Jamies is playing with a number 1 defense or a decent defense and a pro bowl running back right?????

  20. Kgh4life Says:

    @Pittsshore and @Succaneers, i have a feeling these two individuals aren’t really Buccaneers fans, but that’s neither here nor there. Joe is correct, with the right Coaches Alex Smith’s career hand a complete turnaround, from a bust to a above average QB, however, Alex Smith didn’t turn the ball over at the same rate as Jameis Winston, hopefully Bruce Arians can reduce Jameis’s turnovers.

  21. gilhealy Says:

    magawhatever, are you gonna keep whining after Jameis gets his huge extension? It’s gonna happen. And your holier than thou crap will continue to fall on deaf ears. But keep beating that drum. It makes the inevitable that much sweeter.

  22. Pickgrin Says:

    Pittsshore Says:
    “Big difference Joe: Alex Smith is smart, JW is dumb. Alex Smith does not turn the ball over, JW is a turnover machine”.


    SMH – haters gonna hate – especially when it comes to JW.

    BTW sh!ttshore – if you had bothered to click on the link provided – you would see in their first 4 years in the league:

    Jameis Winston – 88 TDs, 58 INTs
    Alex Smith – 37 TDs, 43 INTs

  23. AlteredEgo Says:

    goofy analogy…

  24. Eric y Says:

    Joe … you spend night after night … trying so hard to change people’s view on Jameis …. every story you tell … trying to persuade fans to change outlooks on Jameis … listen closely… Alex smith won in San Fran because of the defense… Alex Smith isn’t even a good qb … he’s a dink and dunk quarterback… this is a crap article

  25. Joseph Mamma Says:

    Alex Smith had much less playing time in his first five years because of injuries and they sat him for a lot of his rookie year. He also had a different offensive coordinator every single year. Also, Alex Smith took a massive pay cut to remain with the niners. His situation was very different from Wintson’s. Maybe Winston will take a massive pay cut to remain a buc if he sucks but highly doubt it.

  26. Jim Says:

    Make the play-offs and silence the critics; don’t make the play-offs and draft a QB. And yes, Ira is the Sage of Tampa Bay for a reason…

  27. Kalind Says:

    Just look at Jameis’ numbers, and you see a good QBs who tries too hard to make plays. Lots of yards, lots of TDS lots of INTs. That’s a result of being behind ALLLLLLL THE GD TIME! Not a reflection of his abilities. If the team gets more balanced around him he improves.

    It’s not like he’s some schmo passer, he’s a really productive passer. Look it up.

  28. Ndog Says:

    Every Jameis post has to bring out the most clueless football fans. It is just comical reading the garbage over and over again especially considering 90% of it is completely made up or just plan wrong and has been proven as much time and time again. Keep it up fellas it just makes it easier to know who will be gone sooner rather than later.

  29. D1 Says:


    I remember a conversation with David Baas and I asked him about Alex Smith and he said the biggest problem has been he’s had to learn a new offense each year.

    Winston has had continuity unlike smith. And winston came from a pro style offense whereas smith came from a gimmick college scheme.

  30. D1 Says:

    FYI, David Baas was the center for the 49ers.

  31. Ndog Says:

    I love the draft a QB talk if we don’t win next year and Jameis plays well, sooooo how does that solve a horrible defense, horrible kicking game and a horrible rushing attack?

    Yeah that’s the Sage’s take, really brilliant….. 🤔

  32. BucsBandit Says:

    In Jameis’ first year in the playoff hunt he had a RB that ran for over 1,400 YARDS and still couldn’t make the playoffs.

    Jameis is INCONSISTENT, plain and simple.

    You can look at all the stats you want, the big yardage games, yadda yadda yadda.

    The reality is, he’s INCONSISTENT and always has been. His inconsistency is what has kept the Bucs from winning more games.

    You aren’t going to COACH the inconsistency out of him. Just like you aren’t going to fix his bad accuracy problems as well.

    Jameis Winston is a HEAD CASE. He makes bad decisions, lacks good judgement, and is not an effective Manager Of The Game like good QBs need to be.

    Winston has been a head case ON and OFF the field with his decision making. These are 100% FACTS.

    The Bucs don’t need a $30M+/year inconsistent QB leading this franchise. They’d be IDIOTS to sign this guy to an extension instead of easing their Cap Hell issues by drafting a young QB that can play 4-5 years at 75% LESS salary and put the leftover salary into other positions on the Defense.

  33. BucsBandit Says:

    Ndog – Winston’s career of losing games hasn’t always been with a horrible defense/running game/poor kicking game. C’MON stop making excuses for the guy.

    Jameis fumbling the ball, throwing INTs, or making terrible decisions has ZERO to do with a Defense/Kicking Game/Running Game.

    You’re just making excuse after excuse for this dud of a QB that has flashy streaks of good play while you ignore his terrible moments.

  34. Figures Says:


  35. Figures Says:


    You will never get Ndog to crawl down outta Winston’s as s. He lives up in there full time.
    Everything under the sun is someone else’s fault. In ndogs eyes Winston has NEVER done one single thing wrong and you’ll never convince him otherwise.

    No matter the question you ask Ndog has an excuse for it. I’ve never seen Ndog put one ounce of blame on Winston. Dude has useless stats for days. Every single INT is someone else’s fault and fumbles? Yep you guessed it. Not Winston’s fault.

  36. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Alex Smith wasn’t the first pick in the draft either. Apples to Oranges

  37. Joe Says:

    Alex Smith wasn’t the first pick in the draft either.


  38. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Wait? He was

  39. SteveK Says:

    Jameis has 1.19 TDS for every 1 Turnover.

    What was Alex Smith’s TD: Turnover Ratio in four years?

  40. Ndog Says:

    Figures Says:
    June 23rd, 2019 at 1:38 pm

    You will never get Ndog to crawl down outta Winston’s as s. He lives up in there full time.
    Everything under the sun is someone else’s fault. In ndogs eyes Winston has NEVER done one single thing wrong and you’ll never convince him otherwise.

    No matter the question you ask Ndog has an excuse for it. I’ve never seen Ndog put one ounce of blame on Winston. Dude has useless stats for days. Every single INT is someone else’s fault and fumbles? Yep you guessed it. Not Winston’s fault.

    Like usual a bold face lie. But that’s what folks that are wrong do, lie!

  41. Ndog Says:

    I sometimes wonder if, these people that post ripping Jameis on every post about him, have actually ever watched a football game. It really would be good to know who we are hearing from but they are probably those folks that have zero sense of history or how things actually happen in the real world. They think everyone is perfect, when they want something they should get it NOW you like Veruca Salt in Willey Wonka “I want it now daddy!”. Just so you know this is exactly what you sound like!

  42. Jameis Almighty! Says:

    Jameis isn’t the problem….

  43. small axe Says:

    nice try joe

  44. rhenry Says:

    I just don’t see why so many people are enamored with Ira. As a Tampa native, I have had my fill of his rants and wish he would just retire already.

  45. Dapostman Says:

    Joe, instead of doing an article on Alex Smith do one on the career of Jim Plunkett. Let the WDS simpletons put 2 and 2 together.

  46. Eric y Says:

    Joe just keep creating stupid garbage posts about Jameis … thank god gerald is gone … at least one of the garbage players are gone … one less overrated player to talk about

  47. Joe Says:


    Two totally different eras. Not a fair comparison at all.

  48. Magadude Says:

    Ndog, I don’t think anyone wants or expects Jameis or anyone else to be “perfect.” I don’t think it’s too much to have the face of the franchise abide by the player conduct code and the very basis principles of a law abding, decent society. He is a privileged young man…he should at the very least meet minimum societal standards, don’t you think?

  49. Magadude Says:

    Ah gilhealy, there you go again. No one is being holier than thous…certainly not I. See above to NDog. Winston has failed to do the minimum…on and off the field. Not worth it. We just disagree.

    Seriously doubt he will get an extension. Still were he to, no, I’d not be quiet about it. Wrong country for that, Son.

  50. Defense Rules Says:

    The excuses are getting old Joe. Is there a Bucs’ fan still living who doesn’t know that our defense stunk these past several years? Or one who isn’t aware that our running game is mediocre at best? Or maybe one who hasn’t heard that if only Jameis had a defense & a running game we surely would’ve won the Super Bowl?

    Rarely anything about the other side of the coin however. Jameis has thrown for a bunch of yards … kudos. He’s also had some fairly decent pass protection (not great but decent) that’s worked to his benefit. And oh yes, he is throwing to probably the best group of receivers (WRs & TEs) in the NFL. Yet the Bucs (with both Jameis & Fitz at the helm) were #12 in POINTS SCORED and led the NFL in turnovers last year. Hmmm, very strange indeed.

    Only point being that there are 2 sides to every story Joe, and JBFers have heard them all by this point. Three Jameis articles in the span of about 24 hrs MIGHT be overkill. Would REALLY like to learn more about the other 89 guys presently on the Bucs’ roster.

  51. OneBuc55 Says:

    Jameis came in with plenty pedigree but very young and very very raw…

    I think he’s shown improvement every year he’s been here; have to give him credit for being such a hard worker…The wins haven’t been there but its not from a lack of trying on his part…

    I’m sure 2018 taught Jameis alot, from becoming a dad, to getting demoted, getting suspended, getting benched, losing team, fractured friendships, etc etc etc…

    I think BA and the changes made with the coaching staff and the roster was much needed…I’m expecting Winston to put on a show in this offense…If our defense and special teams show up this year I believe we can actually surprise some people…

  52. DB55 Says:

    Doug Williams took TB to the playoffs and the real fans still ran him off.

    Shaun King took TB to the playoffs but the real fans ran him off.

    Winston was a tiebreaker away from going to the playoffs but the real fans really really want to run him off.

    How far back in Bucs history would you have to go to find a qb who has played better than Winston? Brad Johnson? Of course he had one of the top 5 defenses in nfl history to help him win games 9-0 but wtfdik

    I got it! Steve Spurrier, yea that’s it that’s the ticket.

  53. DB55 Says:


    Did you read the original buzzfeed article specifically the text that the young lady sent to her friend/family member?

    Just curious to know if you took the time to educate yourself or if you’re just going off of what Fox-News told you? Lmao lol rotfl

  54. Dapostman Says:


    I disagree. I am not talking about stats where eras differ. I am talking about career paths.

    Jim Plunkett was the 1st overall pick in 1971 to the NE Patriots.
    He played 5 years there never having a winning record in any year. 71-75
    Played the next two years in San Fran and you guessed it didn’t have a winning record in either season. 76-77.
    Two years with the Raiders where he threw 15 total passes. 78-79.
    Replaced and injured Dan Pastorini and led the Raiders to the Super Bowl Championship. 1980
    Won the Super Bowl again in 1983 with the Raiders.

    Moral of the story is Jim Plunkett was a talented QB who was thrown into bad teams in his early years and seemed destined to be a bust. Once he got some talent around him he won 2 SB rings.

    Jameis Winston and Jim Plunkett’s early careers look earily similar. Talented QB’s on bad teams. Plunkett won his SB’s at 32 and 35 years of age. Only time will tell with Jameis Winston. Wouldn’t surprise me if Winston won a couple down the road with a different team.

  55. Ndog Says:

    Magadude how many times has Jameis legally been charged with crime again? That’s all we can go on as everything else is pure conjecture.

  56. Magadude Says:

    @DB55….I’ve seen all of that. So did the NFL. Who got suspended with stern warning not to do that again or risk a ban. You are barking up the wrong tree.

  57. Magadude Says:

    NDog…80% of sexual assualts are unreported for various reasons. We don’t need to go through that again do we? Did he do it or not? Answer: NFL says yes. Did he lie or not? Everyone knows, Yes. Does he meet the basic principles of common decency? Simple question. No. Not about being charged or not. The answer will be same tomorrow.

  58. Magadude Says:

    DB55…don’t be silly. You act we have to have Winston with all his bankrupt character and immaturity issues or no one at all. Not so. And it’s not like he’s that good on the field either.

  59. DB55 Says:

    The hypocrisy astounds me. How one can vote for a guy who has had 23 women accuse him of inappropriate behavior and brag about grabbing women inappropriately yet constantly attack Winston is hypocrisy at its finest.

    And if you would have read the original text you would have seen that she clearly said he grazed her lap not that he grabbed her but that’s neither here nor there when you’re biased but wtfdik

  60. BucEmUp Says:

    The only joy I would get out of Jameis being cut from the Bucs is all of the idiots who eanted him gone to eat their words when he won a superbowl with another team.
    I hope that never happens though

  61. Alvin Scissors Harper Says:

    Ndog…..You are truly blinded by Jay Miss love. “Everything else is pure conjecture.” You don’t think the Uber issue is pure conjecture, do you? Had Kate made a police report that night, your boy would probably still be in the slammer.

  62. Magadude Says:

    DB55…how do you know who I voted for? I know you know my screen name is not related to the President’s political jingle–my stuff goes back to at least 2012.
    And why keep trying to relate the Winston issues to something it’s not?

    Uhhh…read the follow up stuff–everything else. Really, you are using a text and a word of “graze” to negate everything else she said and found by the NFL? LOL. So you know, “grazing” is still touching. It’s not like they were passing eachother on a bus. GTFOH, Perry Mason! Man, thanks for the laugh.

  63. Ed Says:

    Winston needs to throw at least 30-35 TDS this season to be considered in the conversation of being a top 15 QB. His career high is 28, other seasons he threw for 22,25 and 19 TDS. He has the yardage numbers that put him in top 15 but TDS are more valuable than yards.

    Get 30+ TDS this season and it’s easier to argue that there’s been a major improvement by him.

    He has to be a better QB in a tighter field in the red zone, that part of his game has been under average

  64. Magadude Says:

    @BucEmUp…if somethign so petty would bring you joy, that is wierd. I am one of many who thinks he’s past due to leave, and great if he wins a SB with another team…for that would be a miracle before our eyes.

  65. Magadude Says:

    Speaking of police reports, Uber told her to file a report as soon as possible, but she felt she’d get backlask…one of the many reasons 80% of sexual assault crimes go unreported. But yup, we’d not be writing about this now had she filed one. Whether anything would have stuck or not, too radioactive. I do note how the NFLPA jumped up and down defending Winston though. Oh wait, no they didn’t.

  66. RustyRhinos Says:

    Isn’t “Patients” what we heard going into the First and second training camps? Yes that is understandable. Third Camp? Fourth, now Fifth. When does “patients is a virtue” become “patients is what we just ran out of? Sixth camp, Seventh? When does it wear out? I am of the hope we have a great season, but of the belief we will still need to have that virtue, when it comes time to sign the next contract. Because when pen meets that paper our window to continue bring in talent to help build our team toward another Super Bowl appearance. Majorly closed in my opinion. The $20+ million a season for a QB creates cap problems.

    Go Bucs!

  67. Jim Says:

    All of this has been hugely entertaining and I want to thank you all, but especially Ndog and Megadude. Love you guys. But seriously, Arians has been all way around the block. At some point he’s going to talk to the Glazers about whether or not an extended contract for Jameis at $30+ million a year makes sense. This will be such an interesting season; I can’t wait!