“Which Ndamukong Suh Are They Going To Get?”

May 26th, 2019

Bucs DL Ndamukong Suh.

On paper, Gerald McCoy was a better regular-season pass rusher last year than new Bucs defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh. As inept Lovie Smith would say, it’s as simple as that.

And that was despite playing on the same line as future Hall of Fame tackle Aaron Donald.

In a recent broadcast of “PFT Live,” which intelligent football fans enjoy on NBC Sports Network, former Bucs beat writer Charean Williams dropped in on the show’s host, the great Mike Florio, the creator, curator and overall guru of ProFootballTalk, to analyze which Ndamukong Suh the Bucs are getting.

Are the Bucs getting the regular season Ndamukong Suh who coasted through the 2018 season (based on the high standard set for him) so much the Rams panicked and traded for Dante Fowler?

Or are the Bucs getting the 2018 postseason Ndamukong Suh, who was a monster?

If the Bucs somehow get the postseason Suh, at a cheaper price than GMC, that’s a win.

70 Responses to ““Which Ndamukong Suh Are They Going To Get?””

  1. Pryda...Sec147 Says:

    Don’t worry lady Bruce carries a mofo Flamethrower

  2. Lol Says:

    If the Bucs are any good then Suh will probably play somewhat motivated. If not he might be the next Albert Haynesworth

  3. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Last season Suh was an every down player just like GMC. This season Suh will be in a rotation allowing him to stay pretty fresh through out the game. I don’t see him taking plays off for a blow. I see him giving maximum effort in his new limited role.

    GMC may have had 1.5 more sacks than Suh last season but he had only (17) solo tackles and (one) pass deflection for the entire season. That sucked.

    Suh had (36) solo and (4) pd You just can’t run right through him like they did Mr. get off. The offense would actually use GMC’s speed against him by running right at the gap he vacated on his fast get off.

    I think it’s worth giving up 1.5 sacks for a better tackler against the run.

  4. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Agree with you Joe except for the salary. Personally I do not believe a few million in today’s NFL salary world make that much difference. I want the best player period. I concede that everybody loves a bargain but I simply want a winner. If that means Suh instead of GMC then I’m all for it.

    After all this debate sorry but I still do not see a clear winner. I give Suh a slight advantage but not much. Let’s see what GMC signs for before we claim the bargain however. Unless of course like many here you believe that GMC’s love of sportsmanship, ice cream, and Batman make him inferior on the field and wish to disregard. GMC 3 First team All Pro…Suh 4X All Pro.

    I think by most INDIVIDUAL measures Suh has a slight advantage over GMC..at least statistically. In short I believe Suh improves us a little but he’s not going to be the game changer. I’m looking at rookie Devin White to be that guy.

  5. Maze Says:

    But does Suh like comic books?

  6. Darin Says:

    If he helps adjust that defensive mindset of the players to a winning level the stats wont mean much. Pretty sure he was brought in for the attitude adjustment assistance program. Good ole AAA.

  7. November's biggest slut Says:

    Nah such is an anime guy trust me

  8. BucAllNigh Says:

    The one that will lead us to post season…

    Our O-line will also be stronger going hard against him in practice and Training Camp. One of the hidden benefits.

    Soft practices = soft team
    Hard/physical practices = Hard/physical team

    Go Bucs!!

  9. Go Bucs 72 Says:

    Perhaps Suh should wear a kimono to his first press conference and then he might get some positive press from the local media.

  10. Warren Says:

    Lol only way bucs get post season Suh is if they are in the post season.

  11. ruggyup Says:

    IF, ah yes, always with the qualifying “if”. Some things never change even when they should never have been started.

  12. Tkingfsu Says:

    Key distinction is GMC is only a better pass rusher on paper. When was the last time a QB was truely Disturbed all game by GMC? Certainly hasn’t happened since the Bucs got their new uniforms. GMC would get a meaningless sack every now and then only to lay the QB softly down and apologize shortly after.

  13. Buc1987 Says:

    I’ll lmao if Suh actually DOES help a RB up off the field…

  14. Race to 10 Says:

    Yea yea two more sacks than suh last year whatever I’d take opposing players getting hit by suh over the bed of Roses they are laid on when Geraldine is coming any day. Anything beats watching him sliding across the line like he’s on skates whenever he gets double teamed. Suh plays multiple spots along the line and Geraldine plays one and is not very good at that anymore

  15. Youngbucs Says:

    Boy the innuendo is just very over with the media heads how about we start looking at stats that are more important than stupid sacks how about tackles-for-loss last season how about quarterback hits or hurries how about passes defensed…. and just to put this in there we have to deal with McCaffrey ,karama and Freeman you know the guys that McCoy couldn’t stop

  16. El Buco Realisto Says:

    They are getting an old Suh, who will not be here next year!!!!!!!!!!! Then the sheep will make new excuses why the Bucs need to fix the D-line again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  17. Steve Long Says:

    I wonder if Donald’s numbers go down this coming season it could be cause of no Suh. I didnt catch alot of Rams games so I’m not sure if it was effort, or others reaping the benefits of other players. Don’t get me wrong AD is a beast. Maybe VV will benefit for us! Hopefully,

  18. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Got a good feeling about this Todd Bowells defense. Assuming 1 or 2 of the new DBs pans out along with Carlton Davis. Shaq Barret, Vita, Nassib and Suh in the trenches and the most exciting part being Devin White and LVD. Hopefully Justin Evans and Kentrelle Brice can hold the safety position down until we can find a superstar at that position.

  19. AKickInTheBucNuts Says:

    Translation of GMC saying he wants to play for a winner:

    No is paying his asking price.

    So, in order to save face, he’ll say he took a lower offer to go to (insert team name) so he could win.

    The “bargin” comparison won’t be accurate between the 2 because of that.

    If he gets more than Suh. Good for him. He’s not a Buc.
    We can “say” we got the better deal.

    If he gets less than Suh, he’ll say he took it “to win”.

  20. Todd Says:

    I just pray he wears #93.

    I love drama.

  21. Billy_43 Says:

    We all know how good AD is but seriously he had 9 sacks his rookie year followed by 11,8,11 before last year getting 20.

    If you can’t see the SUH effect on that then watch and learn.
    VV will take the next step anyway, and with SUH next to him, it will be a giant leap for all mankind.

  22. Defense Rules Says:

    Don’t give a hoot about how many sacks Suh gets this year. Just want him to do 2 primary things: (1) be stout against the run; and (2) open up corridors for our LBs to blitz through. If Suh & Vea together can’t do those 2 things, we’re in trouble.

  23. Joe Says:

    I love drama.

    Most NFL fans do!

  24. Buc1987 Says:

    Realist your predictions are so easy to make….

    Where do you get them from? A 6 yr old?

  25. Bobby M. Says:

    I don’t get all the questions about Suh…..we just paid D. Smith dang near 2x as much and he’s more inconsistent and much less accomplished then Suh AND is protecting the back side of the QB that we are trying to figure out what he is.

    Suh will produce….just like JPP produced. If he doesn’t due to effort or becomes a problem, BA will send him packing just like he did with McCoy.

  26. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Buc1987 Says:
    May 26th, 2019 at 1:17 pm
    Realist your predictions are so easy to make….

    Where do you get them from? A 6 yr old?

    His twin.

  27. Cobraboy Says:

    These people are ignorant about football.

    Suh played nose in LA. Name me an NG who was a big sack guy.

    McCoy didn’t play nose. Frankly, I am much more impressed with 4.5 sacks from a nose than I am with 6 sacks from a 3-tech like McCoy.

    Big upgrade. How can you tell? The division talk that “we have to play him twice a year.” Suh strikes fear. McCoy didn’t.

    Fear is a big part of football.

  28. westernbuc Says:

    If he couldn’t motivate himself to play for the Rams, we’re doomed.

  29. Ndog Says:

    I really just don’t understand why people think we are going to be so bad. I mean there is no debate that we are going to have a better coaching staff, cause the last one was pretty much useless. We got rid of a noted cancer in D. Jackson. We are going to be playing a much different style of defense that actually suites our players abilities. And maybe most importantly, we have a QB and a coach that don’t hate each other. But keep on thinking we are going to suck, just adds fuel to the fire. It amazes me how little the football media actually know about football.

  30. DBS Says:

    Todd I hope so too. It will be funny to watch tpack write cancer93. It makes no difference. It is not a retired numbered. And yes we all know he was my Sapp. You just want to continue to rub it in. So have your fun

  31. RickinFtMyers Says:

    Despite all the lamenting, tearing of clothing and lamentations over the departure of Gerald McCoy, no one is mentioning a few important facts about McCoy’s time in Tampa Bay.

    First and most importantly to me is the advice that McCoy self-reported he received from several of his friends and Pro Bowl teammates a few years back. That advice was that McCoy wasn’t leading the team by coming up with the big play when it was most needed, which apparently his advisors felt is what he needed to do as a real team leader and NFL superstar. While there is no doubt McCoy was and even with his capacities diminishing with age is an outstanding player, he apparently couldn’t find or didn’t have the all-important fifth gear to shift to make the big play when the Bucs most needed he said his peers at the Pro Bowl said he needed.

    Next, let us not forget that despite McCoy’s presence on the defensive line, the Bucs have only managed a 52-92 record with just two winning seasons since his arrival in 2010. While a single player does not make a team especially in the ultimate team sport of football, one would think McCoy could have lifted the team, leading it to bigger and better things. Some things may have gotten in the way of his doing so.

    Things like his recent statement that the Bucs’ rookies should not have to worry about picking up the mantle of leadership and instead should focus on having fun, albeit while working hard to learn their craft, during their rookie season(s). What kind of leadership is that from a 10-year veteran, like McCoy? Sure you have to enjoy what you’re doing to put in the work it takes to play in the NFL, but that’s true of any profession or even trade when one does it at the highest levels. Don’t believe it? Just ask any of the millions of mid-life career changers who despite pursuing highly lucrative careers, chuck it all in their late 30s or early 40s to go off and follow their bliss. For the NFL player, however, that decision comes sooner, much sooner, say in a player’s first or second year when he’s still in his early 20s because of an NFL career’s short shelf life and as Arthur Blank said the currency of the NFL is wins and losses. Instead of making paying laser like attention to those wins and losses and inculcating that in the newbies, McCoy’s seemed to be on enjoying himself and sharing that belief with his fledgling teammates.

    McCoy also wasn’t nasty enough. Now, I’m not saying he needed to be a dirty player, after all there rules even in war, or that it’s wrong to help another player up, in war the medics from civilized nations work just as hard to save wounded enemies as they do their own soldiers. Still from the opening whistle to the final gun, playing lineman, at any level of football and whether it’s on the offensive or defensive line is a nasty, brutish business. It’s about physically imposing your will on another player. It’s about physical and psychological dominance, in the most primal sense, short of war or perhaps wrestling we can identify in today’s society. In my opinion, McCoy’s personality was not up to the task of establishing and maintaining that dominance, leading to his aforementioned inability to consistently make the big play, the big sack, when the Bucs most needed it.

  32. Joe Says:

    I really just don’t understand why people think we are going to be so bad.


    Has the run game been upgraded?

    Defensively, without JPP, where are the sacks going to come from upfront? People scream about GMC but he was better at rushing the passer than Suh.

    The rest of the defense is basically banking on rookies and young players who haven’t proved anything outside of being able to get injured to carry the team.

    Throw in the crazy schedule and it is easy to see why people have grave doubts.

  33. WhatdaBUCisthis Says:

    Todd Says:
    May 26th, 2019 at 12:41 pm
    I just pray he wears #93.

    I love drama.
    Yes sir. Would love for him to be in the mindset of “I am the true fist of the north star” and claim 93 as his.
    Go BUCS

  34. WhatdaBUCisthis Says:

    @Joe … I agree we need to address the dline somehow. I’d trade Brate for Clowney.
    Vita Vea
    Clowney as our 3 down linemen. Do you not like? If coach thinks he can help us just like Suh, then bring him in.
    Go BUCS

  35. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Off topic but…

    R.I.P. Bart Starr. He passed this morning in Birmingham at age 85.

    I’m old enough to have watched him play as kid. He is one of the most underrated QB’s in NFL history because of his coach and the great team that surrounded him but Starr was great.

    He wasn’t flashy as Favre or Rodgers but he was like a surgeon carving up defense.

    Oh and BTW this legend has the distinction of winning the first two SB’s ever played.

  36. Ndog Says:

    Joe Says:
    May 26th, 2019 at 3:12 pm
    I really just don’t understand why people think we are going to be so bad.


    Has the run game been upgraded?

    Defensively, without JPP, where are the sacks going to come from upfront? People scream about GMC but he was better at rushing the passer than Suh.

    The rest of the defense is basically banking on rookies and young players who haven’t proved anything outside of being able to get injured to carry the team.

    Throw in the crazy schedule and it is easy to see why people have grave doubts.

    Please name the dominate lineman on the Cardinals when BA and Todd Bowles got there? Who was David Johnson before (or after) BA was there? Who were the linebackers in Arizona during their time there? Yes they had Patrick Peterson and the Honeybadger but again we have LVD, White, and a bunch of young guys with potential in our secondary which is all they had when BA and Bowles got there. In addition we have WAY MORE talent on offense than they had. Lastly, and I don’t know how many more times I have to say this, WE ARE NOT PLAYING A 4-3 DEFENSE ANYMORE! That is very important cause it means the pressure/sacks will come from OLBs, MLBs, DL, Safeties, CBs, everywhere not just the DEs which is where it comes from in the 4-3. This scheme is about confusion and pressure from different places all the time. We will not be lining up 6-7 yards off the ball every play just telling the offense where the ball should go. Why do you think any/every backup QB that played us just went up and down the field vs us? Cause it was easy to know what we were doing all day. That alone should equate to more TOs and more pressure. Now throw in a better MLB and better interior line (Suh>McCoy) and much faster secondary (which is not debatable when looking at their numbers from the combine) this defense will be better, but then again it literally couldn’t get worse. And if you don’t think(know) that BA is a better offensive mind than Koetter when it comes to the entire offense, but especially the running game then I just am not sure what to tell you cause that is clear as the day is long.

  37. Jean Lafitte Says:

    You’re wrong on Suh, Joe. Just like you’re wrong on GMC. He wasn’t as effective as Suh unless you think a separation of 1.5 sacks for the season is your only argument. Plus they played 2 different positions last season. Suh played as the NT, and we all know the NT is more about clogging the middle and stopping the run and keeping QB’s from stepping up. Unlike the 3tech, where they rush on almost every down.

  38. Jean Lafitte Says:

    So even at NT, Suh still almost had as many sacks as GMC

  39. Ndog Says:

    In summary coaching matters and ours has sucked for a very long time. If you don’t think so look at the Arizona Cardinals both before and after BA.

  40. Todd Says:


    We’re not going to be bad…we’re going to be GREAT!

    BA and TB are smarter than Joe. They’re not even close to moving their chest pieces around. I hope every single head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator and team janitors from other teams underestimate the Bucs just like Joe does.

    Keep minimizing, all…keep minimizing.

    Yeah sure. Bet on Garoppolo and Kwon’s rehabING knees, fear Cam Newton’s rehabbING shoulder, run from Atlanta’s ROOKIE line. Giving me nightmares already.

    New Orleans? Yeah, they are a legit scare.

    10-6 & Playoffs…BITCHEZZZ!!!

    (And now, a word from our sponsors…I mean, a filter from our moderators!)

  41. Todd Says:

    Chess pieces. But chest pieces could work too, considering their proximity to Mons Venus!

  42. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Plus go back and watch film, GMC wasn’t double-teamed as much as in previous seasons because of the JPP threat.

  43. Barbosa Says:

    @Nateinftmyers Absolutely! Imposing his will and sustaining it is not andnever will be a part of McCoy’s game

  44. geno711 Says:

    N1dog Says:
    May 26th, 2019 at 3:38 pm
    J0jo Says:
    May 26th, 2019 at 3:12 pm

    N1dog, I think that J0jo over harps on the running backs. Sure I want better running backs but it is not nearly as important as the passing game. This league is about scoring points and stopping the other team from scoring points.

    How many years has NE just thrown in a guy at the running back position and still scored points. How many years did Pittsburgh ( a place where Arians came from) just move on from a running back and the next not highly touted player made plays.

    How many years did Andy Reid just put a guy in at running back and still scored a ton of points.

    You have to give this coaching staff a chance before you just dog on what they will be able to produce.

    Look at the difference of Cleveland last year when they changed their staff. Look at the difference of LA Rams when they changed their staff a couple of years back. Go back and look at what the pundits and fans thought of the LA Rams offensive line in 2016 before McVay got there (PFF had them at 27th overall).

  45. JA Says:


    Good points. Coaching in the NFL can make all the difference. In MLB, many coaches do nothing but change pitchers and fall asleep with a wad of chew in their mouth. In NBA basketball, they call timeouts, cry at the officials and buy new suits. Little motivation is required in each sport. A 10-game losing streak can be absorbed in both sports. In the NFL a 10-game losing streak costs the coach his job. Motivation is EVERYTHING in the NFL! Sure, you need the horses, but it’s what you get out of your nags that decides games.
    Too many here are throwing this staff under the bus months before the engine is running.
    Good Takes …

    And Todd–concerning the book … Thanks!

  46. JimmyJack Says:

    One good thing is that it was reported Suh wanted to come to Tampa cause he wanted to play for Todd & Bruce. Add to that he is replacing a guy who was picked back you back with him in the draft…….I betcha he would love nothing more to wear the same #93 and outperform Gerald…..I would not be surprised if Suh pushes Bruce to get more passrush assignments and he puts up big numbers in the sack Dept.

    I see plenty of motivating factors for Suh……Also agree with a previous comment asking the media to get critical of Suh taking plays off……Let him proove the critics wrong.

    GO BUCS!!!!

  47. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Thanks for sharing MY thoughts…lol. I’ve been thinking for a long while now about Joe’s obsession with sacks coming from DE’s. Your comment about 4-3 versus 3-4…about a DC who will bring the heat from ANYWHERE on the field. I shall not be surprised to see blitzes from our DB’s as well as LB’s. It’s going to be a nightmare for opposing QB’ and OC’s to guess where the pressure will be coming from and OL and TE and blocking RB’s will never feel comfortable either.

    I’m not generally a Koetter basher but he obviously had flaws.
    His father was a football coach…he coached at three levels…Koetter is a football coach which generally means VERY conservative and usually quite predictable. Koetter…much less Smitty ever thought out of the box and they were the quintessential coaches who played to not lose as much as to win. That’s not BA.

  48. JimmyJack Says:

    And when/if McCoy and Suh meet in a game my money will firmly be on Suh to have the bigger day……….Guys like him see a challenge and attack with all they have got. Say what you want about Suh but he has a killer instinct that is hard to find…..That’s why his best games last year were the playoff games. He rose to the challenge.

  49. Youngbucs Says:

    McCoy being better than Suh is debatable Joe

  50. rrsrq Says:

    Who cares about a double digit sack guy if you got a bunch of guys getting sacks and putting the pressure on opposing QBs, that’s what I am betting on, give me another assistant coach of the year turning this defense around. I’m pretty sure if Raheem did it with “young Bucs”, no money spent by the Glazers and not near the talent this team has, I’m pretty sure BA & Bowles can do this return to respectability, they never saw it coming.

    I’m also betting that Suh gave up some the glory so that AD99 could get his. Suh ay DE in a 3-4, i like that match up against most guards. Just like Some on here, they will never get pass Jameis past, they are thinking we are getting the personal file get fined Suh. The one who we should continue to be concerned about is Ryan Jensen.

  51. westernbuc Says:

    All the McCoy haters are projecting nonsense on this situation:

    First off, how do you know he’s motivated? He wasn’t brought back by the Rams, no one wanted him, and he joins one of the worst organizations in the league. When have free agents ever come to Tampa motivated? Especially guys that cashed in?

    Second, he played next to Aaron Donald and only got 4.5 sacks. Why would that number go up on a worse defensive line?

    And this supposed defensive line rotation? Who are we rotating? We have no depth.

    Licht should’ve been fired the moment he got chumped by Gruden. We’re cleaning house after next season.

  52. Dirks Great Granpappy Says:

    Side note but Jenna laine put out a nice article about the female coaches with several quotes from players and staff. Worth the read

  53. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Link to a decent video of Bowles’ scheme…


    Bucs should get more turnovers, while occasionally giving up big play.
    Bucs have offense to counter the gambling defense mistakes.
    Should be interesting year

  54. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Just my opinion but I think when Suh uses all he’s got….it’s more than GMC has…..the question will be how often Suh displays his strength. This looks like sort of a wash to me with us picking up $4mil……we will see.

  55. JimmyJack Says:

    Western those are all valid points. Except I do think the Rams wanted him but could not afford him. I’ve heard multiple media’s speculate that may have been the case.

    And your right calling the projections nonsense because they always are with Free Agents. Nobody knows how these players are going to do. Tampa fans should be the first to know this by now.

    It’s easy to doubt the Bucs when it comes to free agency but the good news is there’s not much evidence to suggest Bruce and his staff cannot be trusted and is Suh is their first Big FA signing here. And he’s the guy they wanted.

  56. JimmyJack Says:

    TBBF…….Agree with that. And don’t you think Suh would be going full tilt if we play McCoys new team?

    I do and I think anybody worried about McCoy staying in the division might not realize it could wind up giving us the advantage(at least for next year).

    If Gerald goes to the Saints that might sting cause McCoy may best us at least once. How about we let Gerald go to Atlanta and let a ticked off Suh go against their All-Rookie OL?

  57. Gerald McBezos Says:

    Suh has more career sacks than McCoy.

    Despite spending time at NT last year. A year in which he contributed to Donald getting to the QB TWICE AS MUCH as he ever had.

  58. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @Jimmy Jack

    I may be one of the very few that doesn’t care where GMC goes……look at it this way….all of our olinemen have tremendous experience against GMC….(and vice-versa)
    We will win or lose based on our overall team performance…….it won’t be because of Suh/McCoy.

  59. Ghost of Darrell Henderson Says:

    Happy Memorial Day to everyone even Todd.

    I’d like to dedicate a song to the Bucs by the late, great Johnny Cash.

    “A Boy Named Suh”

    My daddy left home when I was three
    And he didn’t leave much to ma and me
    Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze.
    Now, I don’t blame him cause he run and hid
    But the meanest thing that he ever did
    Was before he left, he went and named me “Suh”.

    Well, he must o’ thought that is quite a joke
    And it got a lot of laughs from a’ lots of folk,
    It seems I had to fight my whole life through.
    Some gal would giggle and I’d get red
    And some guy’d laugh and I’d bust his head,
    I tell ya, life ain’t easy for a boy named “Suh”.

    Well, I grew up quick and I grew up mean,
    My fist got hard and my wits got keen,
    I’d roam from town to town to hide my shame.
    But I made a vow to the moon and stars
    That I’d search the honky-tonks and bars
    And kill that man who gave me that awful name.

    Well, it was Gatlinburg in mid-July
    And I just hit town and my throat was dry,
    I thought I’d stop and have myself a brew.
    At an old saloon on a street of mud,
    There at a table, dealing stud,
    Sat the dirty, mangy dog that named me “Suh”.

    Well, I knew that snake was my own sweet dad
    From a worn-out picture that my mother’d had,
    And I knew that scar on his cheek and his evil eye.
    He was big and bent and gray and old,
    And I looked at him and my blood ran cold
    And I said, “My name is ‘Suh’! How do you do!
    Now you’re gonna die!”

    Well, I hit him hard right between the eyes
    And he went down, but to my surprise,
    He come up with a knife and cut off a piece of my ear.
    But I busted a chair right across his teeth
    And we crashed through the wall and into the street
    Kicking and a’ gouging in the mud and the blood and the beer.

    I tell ya, I’ve fought tougher men
    But I really can’t remember when,
    He kicked like a mule and he bit like a crocodile.
    I heard him laugh and then I heard him cuss,
    He went for his gun and I pulled mine first,
    He stood there lookin’ at me and I saw him smile.

    And he said, “Son, this world is rough
    And if a man’s gonna make it, he’s gotta be tough
    And I knew I wouldn’t be there to help ya along.
    So I give ya that name and I said goodbye
    I knew you’d have to get tough or die
    And it’s the name that helped to make you strong.”

    He said, “Now you just fought one hell of a fight
    And I know you hate me, and you got the right
    To kill me now, and I wouldn’t blame you if you do.
    But ya ought to thank me, before I die,
    For the gravel in ya guts and the spit in ya eye
    Cause I’m the son of a bitch that named you ‘Suh’.”

    I got all choked up and I threw down my gun
    And I called him my pa, and he called me his son,
    And I came away with a different point of view.
    And I think about him, now and then,
    Every time I try and every time I win,
    And if I ever have a son, I think I’m gonna name him
    Jones or Smith! Anything but Suh! I still hate that name!

  60. DB55 Says:

    Donald getting to the QB TWICE AS MUCH as he ever had.
    Shhhhhh!!!! No wait! Say it again for the people in the back.

  61. Cobraboy Says:

    I don’t care where McCoy goes.

  62. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    McCoy had 7.5 more sacks than Suh over the last half decade.

    stpetebucsfan Says:
    “In short I believe Suh improves us a little but he’s not going to be the game changer. I’m looking at rookie Devin White to be that guy.”

    Yeah, I agree there for the most part. I won’t be surprised if White gets 10 sacks this season.

    Suh might win us a game or two though. But I’m guessing he’ll cost us more games than he wins us because of penalties.

  63. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Gerald McBezos Says
    “Suh has more career sacks than McCoy.”

    Yeah, and it all happened early in his career. He hasn’t done much in that department for over 5 years. McCoy has more in that time…7.5 more.

  64. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Joe Says

    Has the run game been upgraded?

    Defensively, without JPP, where are the sacks going to come from upfront? People scream about GMC but he was better at rushing the passer than Suh.

    The rest of the defense is basically banking on rookies and young players who haven’t proved anything outside of being able to get injured to carry the team.

    Throw in the crazy schedule and it is easy to see why people have grave doubts.

    Valid points.

    I’m at the ‘Don’t tell me, show me’ stage myself.

    But I suspect that Jones is going to impress this year, and young players will advance in development.

  65. Joe Says:

    I won’t be surprised if White gets 10 sacks this season.

    A rookie linebacker????

    My God, Lawrence Taylor didn’t even have 10 sacks as a rookie.

  66. SenileSenior Says:

    Ndog Says: May 26th, 2019 at 3:38 pm


    Todd Bowles has downplayed 4-3 vs 3-4 distinctions and characterized his defense as hybrid. Roy Cummings has said it would be “one gap, man press” style. Jon Marchant of Bucs Nation said “his defenses are positionless”. Evan Winter also of Bucs Nation noted “16 Cardinals finished with at least one sack in 2014.”
    Go Bucs!!!

  67. SenileSenior Says:

    Ndog Says: May 26th, 2019 at 3:38 pm


    Todd Bowles has downplayed 4-3 vs 3-4 distinctions and characterized his defense as hybrid. Roy Cummings has said it would be “one gap, man pressure” style. Jon Marchant said “his defenses are positionless”. Evan Winter also noted “16 Cardinals finished with at least one sack in 2014.”
    Go Bucs!!!

  68. SenileSenior Says:

    Thought maybe the first version of my comments put me in moderation. Maybe it was just the time of day. Maybe it was just a fluke of the WWW.

    Not worth another thought.

  69. oxycondoms Says:

    just saw suh being interviewed on the tennis channel at the french open . seems more intelligent and refined than the average nfl player . he talked about his respect for todd bowles and arians and how he wants to be part of the building process with former cornhusker david

  70. Getaclue Says:

    Could it be that Suh wasn’t as effective during the season cause he was learning to play a 3-4 for the first time?