What May Jameis Do?
May 30th, 2019
Crystal-ball staring
So what might happen to America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, working with Bucco Bruce Arians in his first season? Joe decided to look to the past to get a window into the future.
Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer, in his ninth NFL season in 2013, his first in Arizona, was a mixed bag when it came to personal passing numbers going from the hapless Raiders to the Cardinals under Arians.
In that 2013 season, Palmer’s first with Arians, had a career-high 22 interceptions but his touchdown numbers were about the same as his years in Cincinnati.
Palmer also saw his completion percentage increase, but only slightly. Even Palmer’s yards per attempt were consistent with his years in Oakland, though later in his run with the Cardinals, Palmer set a personal record there as well.
So what does this tell Joe? Hard to say based what Palmer did with Arians.
Joe thinks it is fair to say just looking at Palmer’s numbers from 2012 in Oakland to 2013 in Arizona, Jameis is going to be Jameis.
Stat Oakland/Arizona
Year 2012/2013
Comp% 61.1/63.3
TD 22/24
INT 14/22
Yards 4,018/4,274
May 30th, 2019 at 3:56 pm
My take from this is BA got the Cardinals to win 10 games in a tough division even with a QB turning the ball over a bunch.
May 30th, 2019 at 3:56 pm
Humans absorb information at different rates and some, after reading their JBF comments, not all.
Once again, we’re in wait-n-see mode …
Pulling for Jameis to be a sponge.
May 30th, 2019 at 4:02 pm
Coaching and defense wins championships.
A Smitty defense getting ran through gives the offense no time to rest and go over plays on the sideline with the QB whisperer and the great coaching staff we’ve put together. I have no doubt in my mind Bowels defense is going to be on the field longer while making more stops and turnovers.
May 30th, 2019 at 4:06 pm
Cards had better defense, OL, and obv better running backs and WR group probably equal, so jameis needs to play like americas qb
May 30th, 2019 at 4:09 pm
Jameis career average = about 25 TDs to 16 INT a season. 18 = most of any season. Last 6 games last year = his best turnover ratios of career.
Healthy 2019 hopefully = 30+ TD and 12 or less INT. That + average D = 10+ wins.
If the D sucks as bad asit has 3 of the last 4 years he’s going to have to push for 40 TDs+ or Rojo will have to become David Johnson lol.
But I don’t think it will. I think the Defensive / Special Teams / RUn game improvement = biggest keys to the 2019 season. Getting those to be average units or better across teh board would be a huge improvement
May 30th, 2019 at 4:14 pm
But look what he did in these years under BA.
2014 6 games 11TD 3 INT 1626 yards
2015 16 games 35 TD 11 INT 4671 yards
2016 16 games 26 TD 14 INT 4233 yards
May 30th, 2019 at 4:19 pm
Let’s hope so….Oh wait…”There Ain’t No hope in Football”…..
May 30th, 2019 at 4:23 pm
LC
i agree….
GO BUCS!!!!
May 30th, 2019 at 4:24 pm
You simply cant compare different QBs at different teams…..the only constant in the comparison is the HC…..
It’s interesting to do this but it is pure speculation to make any predictions on the outcomes….
Like I’ve said….Jameis isn’t the problem…..it’s the lack of a running game, perhaps inadequate coaching….zero defense, kicking game and poor ST.
Andrea Bocelli, Ray Charles, Ronnie Milsap, Stevie Wonder, Helen Keller & the Blind Boys from Alabama could see this clearly.
May 30th, 2019 at 4:27 pm
That was too long ago to compare and besides BA isn’t calling plays
May 30th, 2019 at 4:27 pm
Joe,
I did the same and what I came away with is that even with Drew Stanton at the helm BA did no worse than 7-8-1 and even missed the playoffs with a 10 win season. Therefore I concluded that this year we go no worse than 8-8.
That 7-8-1 season if I recall correctly the cards had many injuries.
May 30th, 2019 at 4:33 pm
Everyone should give their predictions so anyone who is wrong can be pointed out and laughed at next year.
Anywho, here’s my prediction – based off nothing but a gut feeling and not researching anything… this is of course assuming 16-games…
4400 yards, 33 TDs, 14 INTs, 61% completion rate
160 yards rushing, 3 TDs
I’ll most likely start to refine those numbers as we get into the summer and I start my FF research – but that’s what I have for now.
May 30th, 2019 at 4:54 pm
@Rod
How many fumbles ?
I like how that stat gets omitted.
May 30th, 2019 at 5:24 pm
Ah yes, because whatever happened to Carson Palmer is exactly what has to happen to Jameis.
Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results.
May 30th, 2019 at 5:38 pm
Here is my prediction. Gut feeling also. 16 games assumed.
4300 yards, 32 TD, 16 INT, 63% completion rate
260 yard rushing, 5 TD
3 fumbles
May 30th, 2019 at 5:46 pm
67% completion
4350 yds
37 TD
11 int
3 rush td
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From 5-11 to 11-5 Bucs finna eat!!
Short field do to turnovers gonna help alot…
also Def scores and not playing from behind.
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Go Bucs!!
May 30th, 2019 at 6:00 pm
Jameis is gonna be Jameis
Meaning he will play great one series then look lost for 2-3 series then give you hope he’s gonna play well then kick you in the nuts with a pick 6 or a dumb decision
May 30th, 2019 at 6:52 pm
I feel like you can’t be afraid of turnovers in this game. Cause it’s going to happen. That’s why Payton had a good career cause he was not afraid of throwing the ball. He himself has a lot of turnovers in his career. But if he does throw interceptions know one in the national media or local media ever talk about cutting him or calling him trash . But Jamies can’t have that same mindset cause if he throws 1 interception it can be in the first quarter even if the bucs are wining in the 4th quarter and the defense give up the game it will be Jamies fault because of the 1 interception in the first quarter. Andrew Luck doesn’t get treated that way Elie doesn’t get treated that way only Jamies I’ve ever heard gets treated that way. So Jamies is in a lose lose position.
May 30th, 2019 at 7:16 pm
MVP. 50TDs 1000 yards rushing. 20 Rushing TDS. 70 total TDS. 100% Adjusted completion percentage factoring in drops and bad routes. Record setting season if Bucco Bruce can coach at all. If JW5 fails, the coaches failed him and Jason Licht needs to be banned from football.
May 30th, 2019 at 7:21 pm
LOLZ.
It doesn’t matter what “stats” Winston will have, we’ll still win 5 games or less.
I’d love to see just his stats from the first two drives of a game for his career. He has to be one of the WORST QBs in the entire NFL during his first few possessions of games. His “production” has often come in the 2nd half, and often with the Bucs trailing. That’s not a good sign but the facts don’t lie.
May 30th, 2019 at 7:25 pm
Jameis will make the Pro Bowl this year!
May 30th, 2019 at 7:56 pm
Soebuc … “Coaching and defense wins championships.” B-I-N-G-O! Bucs won the 2002 SB based on our #1 ranked DEFENSE, not our #24 ranked offense. Pats have long had a great offense, but they won their SBs primarily based on excellent DEFENSE.
JBFers need to to to Pro-Football-Reference and take a close hard look at the 2012 Cardinals under Ken Whisenhut versus the 2013 & 2014 Cardinals under BA with Todd Bowles as his DC. Cards had a very good defense in 2012 (ranked #12 in TOTAL YARDS ALLOWED, BUT … they were #5 in PASSING YARDS ALLOWED and #28 in RUSHING YARDS ALLOWED (huge disparity).
Todd Bowles came in and remade the back end of the defense (sound familiar yet?). The 2013 Cards defense IMPROVED to a #7 ranking in TOTAL YARDS ALLOWED, BUT … they slipped to #14 in PASSING YARDS ALLOWED (new Secondary getting adjusted?) while their defense IMPROVED dramatically to #1 ranking in RUSHING YARDS ALLOWED (and rushing TDs allowed fell from 12 in 2012 to just 5 in 2013). What was most important though is that the Cards ranking based on POINTS ALLOWED fell from #17 in 2012 all the way to #7 in 2013.
But then in 2014 something strange happened. Cards defense fell to a #24 ranking in TOTAL YARDS ALLOWED, BUT … they IMPROVED to a #5 ranking in TOTAL POINTS ALLOWED (Cards record improved to 11-5 also). Defense slipped to a #29 ranking in PASSING YARDS ALLOWED, while the rushing defense also fell to a #13 ranking in RUSHING YARDS ALLOWED.
My takeaway from those seasonal stats is that Todd Bowles focuses on what’s REALLY important … POINTS ALLOWED. Cards went from #17 in 2012 under DC Ray Horton, to #7 in 2013 under Bowles to #5 in 2014. I’ll take that any day.
May 30th, 2019 at 8:34 pm
It is clearly ‘dream season’ in Bucs country this time of year… Every year this same unrealistic banter that the Bucs never live up to as if their history has gone unnoticed or quickly forgotten…
‘What May Jameis Do?’ falter, buckle under the pressure and fail…
upside – Tua, Fromm and Herbert have strong college play to give a team confidence to build around!
May 30th, 2019 at 8:49 pm
My advice to Arians – keep the playbook very basic and simple.
May 30th, 2019 at 8:59 pm
Joes, I haven’t seen you all report it, but on several videos the team has posted on Instagram you can see coaches as static receivers with their arms it fixed position. I’ve never seen this before and it would appear as an accuracy drill. Curious on the charting results between our QB’s.
May 30th, 2019 at 9:02 pm
My advice to Arians- Keep the playbook very basic and simple