Interesting Accuracy Comment By Dirk Koetter

May 25th, 2019

New Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter spent the last four years scrutinizing all things America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.

When Koetter arrived in Tampa as Lovie Smith’s offensive coordinator, he was fresh off calling plays and counseling Matt Ryan during Koetter’s first stint in Atlanta (2012-2014).

At a recent sitdown with Falcons media, Koetter was asked the following question, “In what areas is Matt better from the last time you coached him until now?”

Good question. And the reply perked Joe’s ears up.

“You know, I think the thing that maybe I took for granted when I was away was his accuracy,” Koetter said of Ryan.

Koetter went on to call Ryan a coach on the field, but Joe doesn’t care about all that. It’s intriguing to Joe that Koetter went from Ryan to Jameis and back to Ryan and answered that question going right to the I-missed-his-accuracy card.

Is Ryan that much more accurate than Jameis in practice? Apparently so.

No real slight on Jameis here, just what Joe believes is a telling comparison. Ryan is on a clear Hall of Fame track and completed 69.4 percent of his passes last year with a whopping 35 touchdowns versus just seven interceptions.

143 Responses to “Interesting Accuracy Comment By Dirk Koetter”

  1. DB55 Says:

    Don’t let’em fool you Matty has only thrown for 30+ TDs in 3 season and virtually every season he has well over 50% int ratio.

  2. DB55 Says:

    I’m assuming last years performance was based solely on the fact that Koetter wasn’t running the offense.

  3. DooshLaRue Says:

    I bet that’s not all Dirk missed.

    Ryan is mature and doesn’t need to be babysat either.

  4. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    Time for both Matty and The Dirk to stand & deliver then?

  5. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Understand your comment and do not disagree. But perhaps I shall nitpick just a bit.

    I do not want any players on our team that need baby sitting.

    I want solid PROFESSIONALS who love the game and do their best to help the TEAM not just themselves.

    Our FA’s in the past years have included a lot of guys who did need baby sitting and that was big part of our “culture” problem.

    We’ve seen blame laid at Koetter and Smitty’s feet…they are the coaches and in charge so that makes sense. But there are players and positions with the credibility to lead. Obviously that has been one of the biggest disappointments about JW. He’s a great rah rah guy but a true leader…afraid that Arizona adventure which ended up torpedoing last year means he still needs to grow up.

    I give JW a lot of rope though since he was barely out of high school when we signed him. I suspect we all expected too much from him too early.

    LVD…Kwon…JPP great players but not genuine leaders. Not everybody is comfortable telling the other guy where he’s lettng down the team. My hope is that White is not that guy.

  6. El Buco Realisto Says:

    I bet Coach Koetter had a huge smile when he answered that question!!!!! Also knowing that he just went from “lamp shade guy” to a “real” franchise QB must make him smile on the way to work every morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. Tye Says:

    Ryan (as well as most other NFL QBs) > Winston!

  8. Pete I Says:

    Winston is not always accurate and particually when it matters most. Like most parts of his game it’s hot and cold. But he never starts a game hot and accurate. If BA can at least have the team ready to play at kickoff that would be good.

    The “Best” QB in Buccaneers history isn’t even on track to make the Ring of Honor at Ray Jay.

  9. gilhealy Says:

    Another beauty, Joe. Explain what purpose this serves. Please, I’d really like to know. On what level does this help the 2019 Bucs?
    “Help the 2019 Bucs?” What?? Joe asked intern Zach Seifter to dive into a 2018 Rams-Seahawks game to share what Ronde Barber said about Ndamukong Suh. Does that help the Bucs? This is all very confusing. Joe doesn’t wake up each morning and wonder how to help — or hurt — the Bucs. The Koetter post above should be very clear. –Joe

  10. GetOverIt Says:

    Newsflash: Matt Ryan is better than Jameis.


  11. Ndog Says:

    Think what you would like, but the facts from both of their 1st 4 years are below.
    Comp%: 60.8

    Comp%: 61.6

  12. El Buco Realisto Says:

    Are we sure Coach Koetter is talking about throwing and passing, and not about “accuracy” of events that happened off the field to the team????????????

    2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. OneBuc55 Says:


    You’re wrong Jameis doesn’t need a babysitter…Brett Favre, Payton Manning, and Ben Rothlisberger just to name a few NFL QB’s have all had scandals/accusations against them but nobody was running around saying they needed to be babysat…And the guy up in Pittsburgh is about as big a Dirt Bag as you’ll find; he makes Jameis look like a chior boy… I bet you probably love him…smh

  14. Kobe Faker Says:

    “LOL the stupidiidy of the Buc sheep!

    Matty., Cam and Brees gets to dump 2 yards to their running backs for 70+ more receptions and 900+ more yards per year than JW3 …

    and the Bucsheep wants to talk completion percentage?”

    Kobe Faker

  15. DB55 Says:

    Honestly idk what you guys are looking at bc when you give JW more than 3 secs to throw he’s lethal like absolutely lethal

    Problem is the oline can barely block for more than 1 sec so you get turnovers. If it were any other QB except Cam this would be blatantly obvious but wtfdik

  16. Destinjohnny Says:

    Is it really a news flash that jameis has accuracy issues?

  17. phattitudes Says:

    A+ journalism. Keep mining the the universe for anything and everything that can be interpreted as negative. has loads of positive stuff every day. You are the one being negative. Joe will continue to share anything Joe finds interesting and relevant about the Buccaneers. –Joe Out and out criticism are things anyone can find. It is that twisting and squeezing of comments that don’t even mention Jamais to get a drop of sour Jamais milk that separates you. No wonder you have been nominated for the Enquirer’s coveted Sport’s Blogster of the Year award. We are behind you all the way. Keep slamming the Bucs, we love it.

  18. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Duh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Jameis’s flaws are accuracy and decision making….
    kind of important traits in a QB…………………………

  19. AlabamaBucsFan Says:

    Either Koetter is giving a cryptic message about how bad Jameis accuracy was or just complimenting on how good Ryan is.

  20. Tc Says:

    Ryan except for 1 year hasn’t done any more than Jameis. The proof is in the pudding (wins) and he is overpaid and overblown.

  21. SB Says:

    Ouch! That was a rimshot!

  22. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    AlabamaBucsFan Says:
    May 25th, 2019 at 12:04 pm
    Either Koetter is giving a cryptic message about how bad Jameis accuracy was or just complimenting on how good Ryan is.
    or both…..:-)…is how I took it….language is a beautiful thing

  23. Todd Says:


    🎤 drop!

  24. JabooBuc Says:

    Keep in mind that Ryan got to play a Mike Smith defense twice a year which does wonders for accuracy numbers

  25. PewterProphet Says:

    Insulting Joe AGAIN gets you run. Take care. –Joe

  26. rrsrq Says:

    The same way we complain about JW, and I can say this, Because I have lived in ATL during the Matty Ice years, they complain about him too, especially during crunch time. They almost expect him to mess up at some point during the game. I used to be in the stadium and here fans want Vick back, because Matty did something stupid

  27. SenileSenior Says:


    If what you are saying holds true after this off season then, maybe, BA will have the defense take the field first when we win the coin toss. I’ll be on the lookout for that in the early season. It might be a clue.

    Go Bucs!!!

  28. Cgmaster27 Says:

    Ndog once again coming with the facts that the trolls like dosh and tye cant take 5 seconds to look up.

  29. Nick Says:

    Clear HOF track ???? @ Joe
    You are negative Nancy’s, all you guys want JW to fail. Unlike you, Joe’s business success is directly tied to the Bucs’ success. The better the Bucs do, the more interest there is. Nobody roots more for the Bucs than Joe, and that includes Jameis. Joe’s been a fan for many decades.–Joe

    I am done with your site. Just like I put down your friend a big dog I am now putting you down.
    It just gets old man.
    See ya !
    PS go pull for the Falcons we don’t need you or your site. Again, Joe writes plenty of positive stuff every day. If you want to ignore it, that’s up to you. Like most of the Joe haters here, you’ll be back tomorrow. –Joe

  30. Kobe Faker Says:

    “McCafferty 107 receptions 867 yards

    Kamara 81 receptions 708 yards
    mark Ingram 21 receptions 170 yards

    Barber 20 receptions 92 yards

    Add 50 more receptions and 500 more yards to JW3 and he is top 5 QB every year”

    Kobe Faker

  31. OneBuc55 Says:

    Dirk Koetter blows…he’ll be lucky to ever get another HC job in this league…

    I can’t recall a game were Dirt Koetter even attempted to get his young QB into a rhythm early…Most good offensive minded coaches usually spend at least the first 2 or 3 series calling plays that allow their QB to get a bunch of easy completions to get him into a groove; that almost never happened under Koetter…

    It would also help your accuracy if defense didn’t know you had to pass because you’re down 21 points before the half; it also hurts your accuracy having to scramble every other time you drop back to avoid getting killed by the jail break because none of your offensive linemen could manage to hold their blocks for 2 seconds…

    Yes Jameis does make the occasional bonehead play, as does Matt Ryan; that said, considering all of the factors working a

  32. OneBuc55 Says:

  33. Buc1987 Says:

    So Koetter was giving Matty Ice props.

    Is there some double meaning? Hell to the no.

    Entirely too much time on your hands if you can find a double meaning….you’re looking for anything, something bad has to be found that’s being said about Jameis. There’s lots of posters here that relish in it. The way some posters post, they enjoy and expect failure from Jameis at every turn. Yeah that’s how I read it. Cause it’s always the same peeps (fans).

    Ndog…notice how no one replies to the shyte you post…..cause it’s a fact. They don’t even see it I guess.

    When this kid leaves Tampa. I’ll bet my house on it, that he becomes yet another ex-Buc that leaves Tampa and goes onto shine elsewhere. HELL Trent Freaking Dilfer won a SB elsewhere. No not because of him, I’m just saying. He IS leaving too. Cause the D is still trash and they still have no running game.

  34. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Wow….some exciting debates…..GMC vs Suh/Sacks……Winston vs Ryan/Accuracy… it will be a turf toe battle between Carl Nicks & Justin Evans

  35. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    70 turnovers (54 interceptions, 16 fumbles)….bad playing calling and player development…yep !

  36. Buc1987 Says:


    I just want the team to win.

    I don’t really CARE who the QB is….but of course I see much more in Winston than the peeps (fans) that don’t. Never really cared what national types say about any member of our team either. Cause they never watch any of our games anyways. Yet if some fool says something about Winston on NFL Network and Joe puts it up on site, the usual suspects are out to say…..see told ya so. ANYBODY could say anything. Like the most meaningless dude out there says something. Again. They don’t watch our team. smh

    Go Bucs!

  37. unbelievable Says:

    Some good points from Kobe Liar re: running backs. 😂

  38. Defense Rules Says:

    Real nice job of stirring the pot again Joe … and then jumping to wild, unsubstantiated conclusions. ??? If you don’t like what Dirk Koetter said, that’s not on Joe. If you don’t like the reasonable conclusion Joe made, then Ok. Joe is not making apples-to-apples comparisons, but when the ball kicks off in September, that’s all we have is apples-to-apples, QB vs. QB. –Joe

    Case in point …

    In Matt Ryan’s first FOUR YEARS his accuracy was 60.9%. He threw 95 TDs & 46 INTs.
    In Jameis’ first FOUR years his accuracy was 61.6%. He threw 88 TDs with 58 INTs.
    So when you compare APPLES to APPLES, in what way is that a ‘telling comparison’ as you concluded? Even comparing QBs at the same stages of their careers as I did is misleading IMO, because it doesn’t take into account the TEAM around each QB nor the coaching that each QB received.

  39. Alanbucsfan Says:

    The Bucs didn’t draft a pass rushing DLineman in 1st round and didn’t draft a running back in early rounds and didn’t sign a free agent DB, therefore Joe is going to rip the Bucs all off-season because Bucs didn’t follow Joe’s plan for “re-tooling/re-building “ Bucs.
    Joe is entitled to his opinion.

  40. Adrnagy Says:

    So … the falcons hired dirk to resuscitate Ryan ? Lol.

  41. GhostofSchiano Says:

    2019 will reveal answers to the realist that true, die hard fans have known all along.

  42. Kobe Faker Says:

    “We will be lucky to win 5-6 games next year and JW3 is going to get blamed even though he will have his best year

    Mark Kobes words…

    If next year becomes Bradys last year…

    Pats give a 1st round pick for JW3”

    Kobe Faker

  43. Concerned Oneyed buc Says:

    Prediction Dan Quinn will be fired after 2019 season. The falcon premote Dirk Koetter to head coach, HaHaHaHa!

  44. firethecannons Says:

    Pressure in his face and tight coverage causes Matt Ryan to get markedly less accurate

  45. Darin Says:

    Maybe I’m in the minority but i could care less which qb is more accurate, has better stats etc etc. Who wins more is all i care about. Now that we have a real coach we shall see. N I dont care about the past with Klueless running the show. So no need to post their past won loss record. Look ahead boys. B.A. will turn these boys to men real fast. And Realist we already know the answers to your stoopid questions. You’re the only one who doesnt seem to know how to answer your own questions.

  46. Todd Says:

    It’s still early, but I’m compiling my list. These are the contributors thus far whom I submit are intelligent contributors who are reasonably optimistic and don’t delight in the thought of the Bucs losing. These are contributors whom I enjoy reading their posts and have garnered some keen insights…from (and never end a sentence with a preposition).

    THESE are the Bucs fans whom are on the invitation list to the yet-to-be-named bar (only b/c Sport the bar owner has not yet revealed his bar location) for the celebratory gathering after the Bucs win the division. The list is getting longer than I anticipated, to my delight. Initially my impression was that most contributors were KDN’s…Knuckle Dragging Negativists. Not so:

    Defense Rules
    Sport (bar owner)

    If you are NOT a KDN and are a true devoted Bucs fan who thinks in cans versus cant’s, I promise to note and will add you to the invitation list. The more the merrier.

    I wonder if the Joe’s will ever make the list. Thus far, they trade on negativism.

    But there’s always hope.

  47. Todd Says:

    Todd, you are nearing a move from moderated to no longer commenting. All your posts have been in moderation for weeks since you feel a need to attack Joe at times. But the more you maliciously attack Joe and ascribe motives to Joe’s wholesome labor, the closer you get to being banned. There are hundreds of banned posters. Joe will not host a forum here that supports Joe getting misrepresented. It’s a really simple guideline. –Joe

  48. NPRSageBoy Says:

    Matt Ryan is better than JayMiss….is anybody really surprised? Hell, JayMiss is still, at best, the fifth or sixth best QB in a four team division…is anybody STILL surprised?

  49. BoltIsle Says:

    Koetter humors me. He mainly got a HC shot in the NFL because of Jameis and he then went and screwed it up. With some help from Jameis.
    And are the Joes really that sold on Ryan being a HoF’er? Borderline at best. In the Ken Anderson neighborhood. Good QB’s, but not necessarily HoF.

  50. Stonedbuc Says:

    Lmao Matt Ryan will never make the hall of fame lmaoooo

  51. Dapostman Says:

    Dirk Koetter was in such high demand after being relieved of his Tampa duties that exactly ZERO teams sought him out as a head coach to lead their teams.

    Dirk Koeter is a very good passing game coordinator. Not an offensive coordinator.

    Dirk Koetter is the epitome of the Peter Principle in NFL coaching ranks. His ceiling is passing game coordinator not head coach.

  52. Joe Says:

    I wonder if the Joe’s will ever make the list. Thus far, they trade on negativism.

    This just is nonsense. Joe is not a salesman, a cleric or a kindergarten teacher. Joe writes what he sees. Always has; always will. (Hell, Joe writes good things about Jameis and the offensive line and Gerald McCoy and Joe gets absolutely killed for it.) Joe is not about to con people just so they can feel good. There are Bucs websites where you would never know they lost a game. You should frequent them. If that’s your bag, so be it.

    The Bucs have been the worst NFC team in the last decade, have the worst home record in the NFC in the last decade and haven’t won a playoff game in so long there are adult fans who can’t remember it. But you want positive stories? Like what, should Joe start a review of a few cheerleaders?

    If you want to be conned, lied to and hoodwinked, then this site isn’t for you. Joe has built a wildly successful business model by calling it as he sees it. In no way shape or form is Joe going to start writing fraudulent stories just because a handful of people lost their favorite blanky to sleep with at night.

    If you think Joe is too negative (if reality is negative, so be it), then don’t b!tch at Joe. Go drive over to One Buc Palace and lodge your complaints in person.

  53. Todd Says:


    It’s your movie. Your site. I get it. I don’t believe I’ve misrepresented you, I’ve only identified what seems to be continued negative articles about (speaking for myself) my beloved Bucs. Damn, there’s SO MUCH to be excited about…I do t get how dwelling on an irrelevant (at this point) past gains much momentum from a discussion standpoint. Hell, I’d love to see some positive articles relating to how we might strategically kick ass in this league with the great new coaching staff we have and the talent they have thus far acquired.

    But…message received. I enjoy the debate and certainly don’t want to be banned. I won’t address Joe anymore. Promise.

    But I would appreciate being pulled from moderation so I can engage real-time. If you submit I abuse the privilege, I’ll get what I deserve.

    With optimism,


    10-6 & Playoffs

  54. D-Rome Says:

    Some Bucs fans around here are like children believing in Santa Claus. Really, many sports fans are like this. As if they believe hope and faith trump reality and that anything against that vision of what they hope for is negative.

    When it comes to this organization the truth has been negative for a long time.

  55. Race to 10 Says:

    Obviously he’s more accurate it’s not a knock or an insult it just is what it is. Same goes for Dirk as a head coach, he’s was pure garbage and had no business being a coach. It’s his fault for running a scheme that had him throwing 50 times a game. Such an idiot and just wasted two years

  56. Joe Says:


    Hell, I’d love to see some positive articles relating to how we might strategically kick ass in this league with the great new coaching staff we have and the talent they have thus far acquired.

    You are asking Joe to be either a romance novelist or a fiction writer. There is no way Joe can say with a straight face (at this moment) this team makes a run to the playoffs.

    Does Joe HOPE they do? Hell yes!!! Hope and reality are two very different things.

    How can someone look at the past to dictate the present? Joe has a history degree. The past is a window into the future. Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.

    Joe’s a prove-it guy. There simply is no way Joe can say — without blatantly lying — that this is a winning football team. There is zero evidence to suggest otherwise.

    Does Joe HOPE the Bucs have a winning season? Of course! Would Joe drop $50 in a sportsbook they will have a winning season? Not a chance.

    If you don’t want stories rooted in reality and based on evidence, then this site really isn’t for you. You should just stick with

  57. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Can’t we all just get along?

  58. Defense Rules Says:

    @Joe … “but when the ball kicks off in September, that’s all we have is apples-to-apples, QB vs. QB.” Fair enough Joe & I agree wholeheartedly. But when conclusions are drawn based on the comparison of 2 very different sets of data (Jameis with a 4-yr career & Matt with a 11-yr career), they can easily come across as being skewed, in 1 direction or another.

    Matt Ryan’s first 4 years (2008-2011) were with Mike Mularkey as his OC. Matt did VERY well … had a 43-19 record. And yet Ryan only threw for 60.9%.

    Then he spent 3 years with Dirk Koetter as his OC (2012-2014). Matt did quite a bit worse … had a 23-25 record. And yet he threw for 67.4% .

    So Ryan’s accuracy improved by a full 6.5% during Koetter’s 3-years with him, yet his W-L record deteriorated SIGNIFICANTLY (from 69.4% to 47.9%). Statistics can be very fickle me thinks.

    You are talking game stats. It’s May. Koetter was talking about watching Matt Ryan in practice, although likely some game film, too. –Joe

  59. Todd Says:


    I’m sure you have the moxie to look Coach Arians in the eye and say out loud, “Coach, your past is no indication of what we can expect for our future.”

    We’re just wired differently Joe.

    I credit BA for being a GREAT change agent in the past that I believe wholeheartedly will transcend to our immediate future.

    It’s an optimism vs. pessimism thing. That’s all.

  60. D-Rome Says:


    Apart from the Bucs receiving corps, do you believe there is a unit on this team that is the best in the NFC South.

    Bucs have best receiving corps, and that’s about it IMO. Bucs currently have worst QB, worst offensive line, worst defensive line, worst secondary, and worst running backs group in the division. Linebackers are a good unit but not the best.

    A coaching staff is, generally speaking, good for a win or two. This team isn’t talented enough yet. This isn’t the Cardinals. BA’s success in AZ was a different situation.

    I hope for 16-0, but of I’m being honest (not negative) I see 10-6.

  61. D-Rome Says:

    LOL, I meant 6-10 but certainly hope for 10-6.

  62. DooshLaRue Says:

    Todd’s tend to be problematic.

    Keep it real Joe.

  63. Joe Says:

    It’s an optimism vs. pessimism thing.

    Joe’s optimistic when there is a reason to be optimistic.

    Joe’s pessimistic when there is a reason to be pessimistic.

  64. Defense Rules Says:

    @TBBF … “Can’t we all just get along?” LMAO … almost made me want to break out in a couple of verses of Kumbayah.

    Todd … is a very unique site as I’m sure you’ve already discerned. IMO it’s more of a free-swinging blog than it is an all-inclusive information resource (there are a number of other very good websites that provide the level of detail that it sounds like you might be wanting Joe to provide). Some of the JBF commenters are true ‘characters’ (you can define that any way you want), but that ‘diversity’ is what makes it interesting to me. Well, until a few (very few) start getting nasty & personal & overly negative (that’s uncalled for IMO).

    As a suggestion (which you’re totally free to ignore obviously), just enjoy for what it is. Joe does a very good job of keeping fresh content in front of everyone daily, and that’s hard to do I know (especially during ‘silly season’ and especially when the Bucs don’t ‘cooperate’). He also does a good job of playing ‘traffic cop’ … because it’s HIS site & he’s responsible for its content. Sometimes he (or they) goes off the deep end, just like all the rest of us. And in those times it’s fun to ‘tease him’ to keep him honest, but hopefully never in a malicious way. Enjoy the ride.

  65. Todd Says:


    So you don’t think there’s a reason to be optimistic with the new coaching staff, scheme & talent? If not, I’m astonished.

  66. DooshLaRue Says:


    I was wondering about that too and appreciate you post the stats comparing Ryan and Winston’s first 4 years.

    Very telling stuff.

  67. BucEmUp Says:

    Give Jameis a defense and he wont have to force throws. Who the hell determines accuracy on a stat sheet? completion percentage is all that should be considered. Give the kid a defense that doesnt put the entire team in a hole and he will shine. COMMON SENSE DUMMIES!!!!!!!

  68. Jeff Says:

    HOF track! No SB…doesn’t deserve to be in the HOF. Most QB’s put up big numbers now. Marino is the last non SB winning HOF QB.

  69. Todd Says:


    I don’t know. What I do know is that I trust BA and TB to get us where we need to be to win games. Do you think a Todd Bowles defense can handle a Dirk Koetter offense? Do you really give Dirk that much credit?

    As for me and my house, we trade on optimism. Until proven otherwise. Totally different mindset than Joe (per what he wrote above).

    Neither mindset is necessarily wrong…but I assure you, it’s a lot more fun walking around in my head. Feels more like Southern California than Northwest Oregon.

  70. passthebuc Says:

    JW is the 2nd best QB on the team and the sooner we put the no. 1 guy under center, nothing changes.

  71. Cobraboy Says:

    I don’t know why anyone would expect a QB playing from behind with no running game would be statistically “accurate.”

  72. J Says:

    Someone might have already said this, but you can’t compare that comment to the actual real life relevancy of the answer to that question. The context of that answer is based on the fact that Koetter hasn’t left Atlanta and had the chance to be back with Jameis yet. He very well could use the same EGO stroking comment so his QB knows he has confidence in him.

  73. Ndog Says:

    Joe Says:
    May 25th, 2019 at 2:08 pm
    It’s an optimism vs. pessimism thing.

    Joe’s optimistic when there is a reason to be optimistic.

    Joe’s pessimistic when there is a reason to be pessimistic.

    Well we did replace a head coach that was fired from his previous head coaching job in college with a 2 time NFL coach of the year. We did replace and entire secondary of undrafted players with high draft picks, we did replace a lazy premadonna WR with a hard working WR who wants to be here, ROJO will have an actual chance to play and learn now.

    So there are some positives it’s just that you have to WANT to talk about them instead of saying Suh is dirty, Jameis is inaccurate, ROJO is a bust, JPP will never play again, McCoy is a better pass rusher, Nassib is a JAG, Vea cannot take the heat, BA is old and can’t walk, Bowles defense sucked last year, OJ is always hurt, Justin Evans will never play again, they should have drafted Allen, our pass rush is going to he horrific, our running game is going to suck, Peyton Barber is another JAG, Godwin is inconsistent, the new line coach was horrible with the Colts and almost got Luck killed, we drafted a kicker, it is hot, we don’t know how a 3-4 works so every move the Bucs make is dumb. Did I get it all fellas?

  74. Cobraboy Says:

    @Todd: YOU try running a for-profit blog with 5-6 new stories EVERY DAY on one subject, in a non-news cycle, and then criticize the content.

    I do not agree with The KJoes all the time, or even half of the time, but I have mega props for the work they put into it.

    In fact I will make you a free offer in public: One of my businesses is web development. I will put together a blog with my labor, host it for free, and even pay for the domain and renewals.

    ALL you have to do to take me up on my offer is write a minimum of five 250-word “fresh” articles a day, six days a week, seven days a week from opening of training camp until the last game, on the Buccaneers. But if you ever fail to live up to that standard, you owe me my labor and out-of-pocket costs.


  75. Joe Says:

    YOU try running a for-profit blog with 5-6 new stories EVERY DAY on one subject, in a non-news cycle, and then criticize the content

    Thanks Cobra. But there is no non-news cycle. Not in Joe’s head or in reality if you care about this team. Kind words are much appreciated. But Joe knows this site isn’t for everyone. Joe just hopes to write compelling stories for all Bucs fans. Appreciate the love here.

    Joe’s not trying to chase away Todd. Just trying to point out it’s misleading if not irresponsible to spin every story into a positive on one of the worst franchises in the NFL. And Joe isn’t going to con people otherwise.

  76. Joe Says:

    So there are some positives it’s just that you have to WANT to talk about them instead of saying Suh is dirty, Jameis is inaccurate, ROJO is a bust, JPP will never play again, McCoy is a better pass rusher, Nassib is a JAG,

    These are serious issues that very well could drag this team down. If you have to go to the emergency room, would you want the attending physician to ignore a patient’s broken arm or bleeding wound to focus on the pretty hair or the gleaming blue eyes?

  77. Figures Says:

    Anyone who believes Winston doesn’t have accuracy issues is an idiot and clearly an FSU homer that thinks Winston walks on water.

    If Winston went to UF you FSU jock sniffers would be all over him about his accuracy.

    Bunch of idiots.

  78. Todd Says:

    I’ll not be chased away, Joe…just potentially banned for dissenting on the positive side of the equation before the Bucs “prove it.”

    So sue me. I’m an optimist.

    And Ndog, nice summary. Very good.

  79. Howard Cosell Says:

    Matty Ice is super accurate.
    Again…low-standard buc-fan has a hard time with the concept because we never see that kind of accuracy in Tampa.
    That kind of QB has to be developed and the glazer-walmart is not anywhere near up to the task, Lol they can’t even keep a stable staff Lol.

    Expect The Falcons to go 2-0 against the Bucs this year

  80. Kobe Faker Says:

    “You can combine both Joes and still…

    Jenna Laine has bigger balls”

    Kobe Faker

  81. Wausa Says:

    I love Bucs coverage, but the negativity by the writers on this site make it tougher and tougher to want to visit.

  82. Oregonbucsfan Says:

    Todd: “We’re just wired differently Joe.”

    Joe: “Just trying to point out it’s misleading if not irresponsible to spin every story into a positive on one of the worst franchises in the NFL. And Joe isn’t going to con people otherwise.”

    Me: ” I’ll take Joe’s outlook every time and twice on Sunday! The on-line world has so much BS coming out in today’s time that it is refreshing to find a place where they tell it like it is.”

    Truth: This is a pathetically bad franchise. It has been so long since we have had a rewarding season that some younger fans have never seen one. But, yet we all, including Joe, plug along. We’re considering draft spots, draft picks, etc. the same as you, Todd.
    But no. Just because we dump one coaching staff (and weren’t they grand when they started) and hire a retread/retired HC does not equal the Red Sea parting, which would be about the same level as the Bucs having a successful year.

    Go Joe!

  83. Wausa Says:

    Cobraboy Says:
    May 25th, 2019 at 2:32 pm
    I don’t know why anyone would expect a QB playing from behind with no running game would be statistically “accurate.”

    Cut it out @Cobraboy. Joe doesn’t want you to bring logic to the conversation.

  84. Figures Says:

    Then don’t visit.
    You all can’t stand any little knock on your boy Winston.

    Bunch of millennial cry babies. Go find your safe space and have momma make you some chicken nuggets.

    4th best QB in the division=Winston.

  85. ATLBucs Says:

    After working with Jamess for four years that doesn’t speak to good of Dirks coaching ability

  86. Figures Says:

    For Winston to be successful he must have.

    An all hall of fame offensive line.
    Hall of fame running back.
    Top 5 defense with multiple hall f famers.
    And more than 5 seconds to throw.

    I’ve never seen people make more excuses for one person than the idiot FSU homers. Pathetic.

    If Winston went to UF you homers would run him out of town.


  87. Figures Says:

    4th best QB in the division for you idiots that forgot.

    Get ready for another last place finish and a new QB in a year or two.

  88. Figures Says:

    I love reading all the new excuses people make for a mediocre QB.

    People can’t except that Winston is just average. AVERAGE.

    FSU homers believe he is elite and a top 5 QB. Anyone without blinders and a little common sense know how far off winstonites are.

    It’s comical. It’s the millennial way.

  89. Todd Says:


    “Truth: This is a pathetically bad franchise.”

    Wholeheartedly agree.

    I simply opt for what I believe we’ll all soon embrace, “Truth: This WAS a pathetically bad franchise.”

    When I was young, ai was the most manic Patriots fan on the planet. UTTER LOSERS! I bagged in them the year before they became a perineal winner. Sh!tty timing.

    I was a season ticket holder for years when the Yucs sucked a$$. I bagged on them the year prior to Dungy being hired.

    The Bucs have certainly SUCKED A$$ by every measure. Enter Bruce Arians. Hey m not bagging on them. I’m going to ride this wave through the next five years of dominance.

    It’s my time to get it right.

    Judge me for that, I don’t care. I’m intent on THINKING it into existence.

    Because I can. I’m a therapy dog at Shriners Hospital (See ZammyPup onInstagram). I witness miracles happening every day.

    The Bucs will be my treasured miracle this year.


  90. Todd Says:

    Forgive the plethora of typos. Sorry.

  91. Todd Says:

    Refers to a post that’s in moderation currently.

  92. gilhealy Says:

    Clear as day, Joe. That’s my point.

  93. Ndog Says:

    Figures just for you sir here are some stats that you might like to see. Jameis and Tom Brady’s Comp% through their first four years starting. So simple deduction proves that you feel Jameis is inaccurate you also feel the undisputed GOAT is also inaccurate. You guys might try actually understanding football before commenting on it.

    Comp%: 61.6

    Comp%: 61.75

  94. JGhoti86 Says:

    Reading between the lines does not get much more clear to interpret or see than this. Koetter’s indirect implication is indeed indicative of Jameis and his accuracy issues.

  95. JGhoti86 Says:

    Right on Cobra! I don’t agree w/ the Joes all the time either, but as far as this site goes and Bucs related content, it doesn’t get much better than

    I’m always appreciative of the Joe’s work…whether I agree or disagree.

  96. Bird Says:

    And joe

    You have scrutinized every curvature of Jameis body over last 4 years
    You approve

  97. Buc1987 Says:

    I think Figures has FSU issues.

  98. Bird Says:


    So accurate
    Jameis and brady are the same player

    Glad you watch games with own 2 eyes

  99. Bird Says:

    With cross-eyed Nole shades

  100. Figures Says:


    May be the most idiotic stupidest most moronic person here.

    To even put Winston and Brady in the same sentence should get you banned.

    Lmao what an IDIOT of epic proportions. Hahahahahhahahahahha. Wow. Just when I thought Winston ball sniffers couldn’t be anymore stupid here comes Ndog with the worst comment ever on joebucsfan EVER. hahahahahahhaa my god what an idiot. Lol.

    Doesn’t even deserve a response lol.

  101. Figures Says:


    Worst comment ever putting Brady and Winston in the same sentence. Lol. Wow.

  102. OneBuc55 Says:

    @Bird, NDog is only proving undeniable proof for Winston’s haters of Brady vs. Winston after their first 4 years…

    Mind you Brady obviously played for a far superior team… Winston is right where he needs to be in his development; if his haters took the time to look at the positive stats intstead of only focusing on the negatives they’d see we have a franchise QB in the making…

    Balance out the offense, play a little defense, and make some field goals we may be able to break this play off drout…

  103. Todd Says:


    Regarding Ndog’s comment.

    “Worst comment ever putting Brady and Winston in the same sentence. Lol. Wow”

    You’re right. Winston was drafted #1 and Brady #199. Took Brady a while to achieve Winston’s stats. You’re right…he shouldn’t even be in the same sentence as Winston.

    Sorry Ndog, I gotta call it like I see it.

  104. Figures Says:


    Lol so good the 4th best in his division lmao. Your stupidity knows no bounds does it lol. You FSU jock sniffers are the dumbest bunch of idiots I’ve ever seen.

    My god how pathetic you all are defending a mediocre QB.

    So good he’s in a prove it year because they don’t have much faith in him lol.

    While you all blame everything on someone else I’ll be sitting back watching the train wreck that’s about to occur lol.
    What FRANCHISE QB doesn’t get extended until his 6th year after being picked number 1 lol. Idiots.

  105. Bird Says:


    Are you Ndog alter ego ?
    I hear yah
    I think Jameis has best year . No question. Is it good enough for 30 per? Not there yet

    But was it belicheat or was it brady
    Chicken or the egg argument
    I think belicheat could make me a QB
    At 5’9 175

  106. Figures Says:


    Lmao a franchise QB in the “making” after half a decade lol.

    It just keeps getting better lmao.

    If Winston went to UF you morons would be running him out of town. Lol.

    It hilarious that our “franchise” qb is the worst in his division lmao.

  107. OneBuc55 Says:


    Everyone knows that a QB drafted number one unfortunately is going to an awful team; unlike Brady who was drafted by a playoff caliber team…

    Name another QB selected #1 with better stats after 4 years; you’ll be lucky to come up with 2 names…

  108. OneBuc55 Says:


    How many divisions in the NFL have a Superbowl winning QB, 3 QBs with at least 1 Superbowl appearance, 2 or 3 MVPs, and multiple Probowls…the bar is set pretty high for Winston…

    The reality is, his numbers are comparable or better than all of these guys in the division after their 1st four years as well…I’m just tired of people nitpicking this kid to death…

    And yes, he’s a franchise QB in the making…Just don’t wanna see him ran off before he reaches his prime…This city has a bad habit of doing that…

  109. Figures Says:

    Lol all Winston’s “stats” except the one that matters. WINS.

  110. Todd Says:


    Valid point. Never thought of it like that before.

  111. OneBuc55 Says:

    @ Figure

    Name another division with 1 Superbowl winning QB, 3 with Superbowl appearances, 2 or 3 with MVPs, and 3 with multiple Probowls… The bar is set pretty high for Jameis, yet his numbers for his 1st 4 years are better than all three of these guys… You’re blinded by hate…

  112. Ndog Says:

    What’s wrong Figures you don’t have a valid come back for facts?

    Brady 52 INTs in first 4 years starting, Jameis has had 58 INTs in his first four years. That’s is exactly 6 more than the GOAT on a much worse team and just a little more for you Brady (Brady 97) TDs also only had 9 more TDs in his first four years than Jameis(Jameis 88)TDs. So ask yourself only 6 more picks, 9 less TDs and basically the same comp% yet one won a super bowl in that span and the other can’t win at all. You think that maybe it has something to do with no running game, horrific defense and the worst kicking situation on the league?

    In summation, get a clue bro!

  113. Ndog Says:

    Oh one more for ya, 15 fumbles by Brady in his first 4 years and Jameis had 15 fumbles in his first 4 years. So Jameis had exactly 6 more TOs, 9 less TDs and one turned into the GOAT and you think Jameis is garbage. Again I have not provided opinion only facts, what ya got tough guy?

  114. BigMacAttack Says:

    Koetter’s offense is very predictable and easy to stop. History proves this point. Atlanta will reside in the cellar until he leaves there.

  115. Figures Says:

    Lmao you’re right Winston is the goat lol.

    Moron lol. I have eyes I don’t need useless stats my eyes work just fine.

  116. Ndog Says:

    So you have nothing, got it. You just got schooled, go back to your room son. Wow that was easy.

  117. tickrdr Says:

    I just know this might get me on Todd’s list of “negativists”. OMG, what do I do???
    Three points:
    1) There is no way to compare QB stats in the last five years to those of earlier years. The rules have been changed immensely to favor the receivers and the offense. When Tom Brady and even Matt Ryan began their careers, there were safeties like John Lynch, Ed Reed and Brian Dawkins ready to take someone’s head off, if they dared to catch a pass over the middle. Now, there are NO lead with the helmet tackles etc.
    2) Please note that completion percentage DOES NOT equal accuracy. Granted that it certainly plays a part, but so does the skill of the receiver (for instance, making a shoestring catch of a ball thrown at his feet), or perhaps giving up easy non-contested receptions in a “prevent” defense. OTOH, YAC is certainly one component of accuracy, but may also reflect the strength and running ability of the receiver after the catch. As I’ve posted many times before, JW# is quite accurate on comebacks and curls, but not as good at crossing patterns and flys.
    3) My criteria for good QB play starts with a TD/INT ratio of 2:1; throw twice as many TDs as INTs. Jameis has yet to have a single season meeting this metric.
    Next, is a TD percentage of 5% or more. Jameis finally achieved this last year.
    Finally, most of the playoff QBs have the difference of their TD percentage MINUS their INT percentage greater than or equal to 3.0,
    TD% – INT% > 3.0
    and Jameis has never even come close to achieving that metric in his first four years. Now, I can hear the cries of no running game, or no defense or no kicking game etc. As noted above, Matt Ryan had 35 TDs (5.8%) and only 7 INTs (1.2%) on a losing team. Aaron Rodgers managed 25 TDs (4.2%) and only 2 INTs (0.3%) on a losing team. Both of them were definitely NOT the cause of their team’s record.


  118. Figures Says:

    I got schooled?

    Hahahaha ok.

    4th best QB in his own division. Boom argument over. You’re right. It is easy.

  119. BigMacAttack Says:

    How does one go about commenting here?

  120. Defense Rules Says:

    BigMacAttack … It’s best to stay out of the kindergarten when the children are playing. Just let them beat the daylights out of each other.

  121. geno711 Says:

    tickrdr Says:
    May 25th, 2019 at 6:56 pm
    I just know this might get me on Todd’s list of “negativists”. OMG, what do I do???
    Three points:
    1) There is no way to compare QB stats in the last five years to those of earlier years. The rules have been changed immensely to favor the receivers and the offense. When Tom Brady and even Matt Ryan began their careers, there were safeties like John Lynch, Ed Reed and Brian Dawkins ready to take someone’s head off, if they dared to catch a pass over the middle. Now, there are NO lead with the helmet tackles etc.

    I agree so much. I am tired especially of the comparisons to Favre.

  122. lewis Says:

    Joe has always been up Dirt ASH an di do not take anything he says . He dint take advantage of what a player does best and work around the rest ,Dirt doesn’t know about adapting to the game and you will see what I mean this season .

  123. Ndog Says:

    I love proving people wrong so thanks for the opportunity Figures.
    And you make it soooooo easy. 😊

  124. SenileSenior Says:


    Having reached the “promised land ” of geezerhood (even before I hit my 70s) I really don’t care too much what people may think of me anymore. I am not so much thick skinned as worn down. I don’t have to try to be the smartest kid in the room anymore. I am content to be part of a raucous crowd and throw my two cent in here and there.

    I dare say there is no small crowd of fans here, in a sports bar, at the stadium or anywhere else that there is not one and more people who really do know more about the particular subject than I do.
    Thanks for the kind words, but I am guilty of ending sentences with a preposition once in a while. I can only edit my own stuff so much then I have to just click on “Send” or it won’t get “published” before three more article are whipped out by JBF. 😁 😀

    I accept the invitation and will make every effort to attend the celebration.
    Go Bucs!!!

  125. SenileSenior Says:


    The way you seem to have handled one recent example, Louden, says to me that you do try to warn people and give second chances to posters before you ban people permanently.

    Everyone has to draw a line somewhere to have some kind of integrity. Even Ba has a reputation for giving some people a second or third chance but he has to make his decisions on what he will tolerate and what he will not tolerate also.

    I have had the experience many, many times that no matter how hard you try to say or to write some things, someone can take it and get something that was the farthest thing from your mind as what you meant. Public figures of all kinds complain about this phenomena all of the time.

    Looks like we all could “lighten up” some on criticism of JBF. They work hard to do what they do.

    Take a deep breath. …

  126. lewis Says:

    Really sick of this negative site no hope here wow guys you should be down on the organization not JW he hasn’t had a chance yet and I think were in for a big surprise this year an for the first time in years . Go Bucs

  127. BigMacAttack Says:

    D, I was referring to the moderation crap. I’ve disagreed with some of Joes stances but don’t get after him like these other idiots. Now he’s moderating my comments. I love this site. We’ll see if this one posts because you don’t have to ask me to leave twice. I’m not that guy and I was here when this site was nothing and Joe was too broke to boot commenters. Seriously

  128. BigMacAttack Says:

    Joe I know my last comment was 100% flagged but hope you can read it.

  129. BigMacAttack Says:

    I thought we had at least a decent relationship but I don’t get it. Really

  130. BigMacAttack Says:

    Let me know bro before you ego makes your head explode

  131. Joe Says:

    D, I was referring to the moderation crap. I’ve disagreed with some of Joes stances but don’t get after him like these other idiots. Now he’s moderating my comments. I love this site. We’ll see if this one posts because you don’t have to ask me to leave twice. I’m not that guy and I was here when this site was nothing and Joe was too broke to boot commenters. Seriously

    Joe’s been over this before. He’s not purposely moderating most comments.

    TRUST Joe, he has much, much, much better things to do than babysit the website for 20 hours a day digging comments out of the moderation queue.

  132. Howard Cosell Says:

    I want to be on The List!
    That would be cool.
    All the cool rebellious kids are on the todd list, right?

  133. Howard Cosell Says:

    Seriously though…since McCoys #1 hater isn’t here I’ll say it:
    Stop being butthurt snowflakes over what you read at and give in tho the reality that the Bucs are (and have been) an embarrassing NFl team and Joe has only the highest jounalistic ethics.

    Personally Howard would rather read Joes real stories than fluff stories.

    Fluff stories piss Howard off becuase they attempt to put lipstick on a pig in the hopes that Howard and others will be attracted to the pig. This is an insult to Howard’s copious intelligence

  134. T REX Says:

    Too many lazy Winston supporters. Stop taking snippets of past QB stats and comparing them to Winston’s first four years. Like these comparisons are linear. They are not. Taking Bradshaw’s first 4 years and comparing them to Winston’s is stupid and lazy and transparent. The game has changed so much. Proof. Winston’s completion % last year was his highest but it was only good for 22nd in the league. That should tell you…BELOW AVERAGE BUT HIS BEST. WAKE UP IDIOTS.

  135. NOBXBucsfan Says:

    I really enjoy the site Joes. Not sure how you defend your take on this particular article. You attributed words to Koetter that you simply inferred from his compliment of current QB. There’s nothing to defend here. Joe listened to the coach and thought it was telling. Joe’s not asking anyone to agree. –Joe Not hard to see how it appears. I am a silent subscriber that clicks on ads which is most important to your dynasty as described by you. Dynasty??? Huh? —Joe

    Go Bucs!

  136. Ed Says:

    Obviously Ryan is the better passer, his downfield throws are much better than Winston’s and he gets rid of the ball much quicker. Other than besides the fact that the Falcons have wons divisions and been in the Super Bowl with Ryan and he was a league MVP, there isn’t much discussion. Koetter was stating the obvious.

    Winston could be closer to Ryan if he didn’t hold onto the ball as long as he does, if he would improve his footwork, if he would shorten up his release.

    I do think his ability to turn a busted play into a big play is the biggest area where he is an upgrade over Ryan. Unfortunately those unscripted plays only come a few times a game. Winston has much improving to do. The clock in his head has to be better, thats why he’s a fumbler, he holds on to the ball and gets strip sacked, he runs and doesn’t take care of it.

    If Arians can clean up his game he could be a much better QB than what we saw in years 1-4. He doesn’t have any room for error, another high turnover year and a low scoring red zone offense will hurt his chances of resigning with the Bucs.

  137. BucsBall80 Says:

    Matty Big game choke Ice. All those stats and no ring to show for it.

  138. Oneilbucs Says:

    Matt Ryan has always had a pro bowl running back, he has always had a good or decent defense. His wr core has always been better than ours and the Falcons still can’t dominate the league. Jamies has never had a good or decent defense, he had a pro bowl running back only one year witch was his rookie year. Every since Jamies been in the league his defense was ranked at the bottom of every stat that a defense can have. His running backs have been trash every year and probably this year as well. We need a team not a quarterback. And the national media loves to compare wins and losses to quarterbacks but they never talk about the hold team or coaching around the quarterback or less it’s Elie, Andrew Luck that’s the real truth and problem with a lot of these quarterbacks. It’s a team game not quarterback game.

  139. Oneilbucs Says:

    So tickrdr that means Brady ain’t the greatest of all time right? See yall and the national media can’t have it both ways. You can’t say the rules when it comes to Jamies stats and call Brady the greatest of all time with his stats. Even though we know his team and coaching staff was way better than ours. He went to a wining team when he was drafted. They had most of the players on the defense when they lost the super bowl to the Packers.

  140. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Great line about kindergarten in session. LMAO


    I know you love JW so I was surprised to see you omit him in your list of big reasons why we’ll be better in ’19.

    I know you believe this so I’m sure it was an oversight or you think there are enough of us who already believe this.

    I’m far from a JW fanboy but I like to keep it at least a little objective. I do not understand how anybody can watch the final six games of last year and not see a marked improvement in JW’s decision making. The first time I saw him realize a play was dead and simply turn and throw it into the cheap seats made me literally jump up and cheer at the TV! Prior to that he would have risked everything to force the play and success. I appreciate a riverboat gambler…my dad was a bookie in Newport Ky for heaven’s sake…but if I was BA I’d moderate his “no risk it no biscuit” with a dose of Kenny Rogers “The Gambler” You got to know when to hold em…know when to fold em….I think JW is finally beginning to understand this.

    JW has a strong arm, incredible will to win, and is a deceptively good runner even though he is slow. In short IMHO JW’s problems are from the neck up.

    Call me a sucker or whatever name the posters wish to use to deride me but I think JW’s ready to break out. He had to learn a lot of hard lessons first. The last six games…the fact that he has stayed out of trouble off the field…that he is now a happy family man…kids change your perspective for better…are the facts upon which I base my optimism…and of course the QB whisperer only adds to that optimism.

  141. Pigsueybucsfan Says:

    Tell him NDOG! Is will be much better from here on out,finally has some GOOD coaching. GO BUCS!

  142. tickrdr Says:

    Tom Brady did not play his first season, and lost another season to injury.
    So, he has played 17 seasons total.
    In 14 of those 17 seasons Brady’s TD to INT ratio was greater than 2 to 1.
    Jameis has yet to have one season with at least that ratio.
    In 11 of those 17 seasons, Brady had a TD% > 5.0% or more.
    Jameis had his first season with a TD% of 5.0% last season.
    Brady had ONE season with an INT% of 3.0%.
    Jameis Winston’s AVERAGE INT% is 3.0 for his career.
    Brady has had 9 seasons where his TD% – INT% was > 3.0
    Jameis has never had that difference > 3.0, and his highest ever was 1.8.

    Please note that NONE of the above says anything about W – L records, or the play of any other aspect of their teams. They are simple metrics to gauge QB play.


  143. Oneilbucs Says:

    Tickrdr football is a team game. Go look at the Patriots defense with Brady. And go look at Jamies defenses he played with. Then go look at the running backs Brady had and go look at Jamies . That’s the big difference between winning and losing. Why can’t yall see that. Even without Brady the Patriots still wins. The Patriots don’t need Brady to win games. So what do that tell yall. Bilicheck was trying to trade Brady cause he knows he really can win without him he’s proving that. What’s the record for the Patriots without Brady? I know it’s a wining record.