The Bucs And Math

April 11th, 2019

Not calculating.

This may be one of the dumbest, ill-informed pieces Joe has read in a while.

This Gary Davenport of Bleacher Report took the Bucs to task for having what he believes is an awful offseason thus far.

He’s hardly alone in that opinion but that is hardly the reason his angle is stupid.

What is stupid is ragging on the Bucs for losing free agents.

But they added [Breshad] Perriman in large part because Adam Humphries (free agency) and DeSean Jackson (trade) are gone. Bucannon’s in Tampa largely because Kwon Alexander and Adarius Taylor are not.

Gaining one and losing two ain’t good—because math.

Well, here is a math question for you: The Bucs are in salary cap hell. Now Joe lobbied for the Bucs to keep Adam Humphries but Joe hears a reason why Humphries wasn’t retained (remember AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht said he would do everything in his power to bring him back?) is because of Bruce Arians’ preference for more speed at slot receiver.

So, how exactly did Davenport expect the Bucs to keep left tackle Donovan Smith and malcontent wide receiver DeSean Jackson, and keep Kwon Alexander and Humphries and not fully destroy the salary cap?

You know, because math?

The Bucs are in salary cap hell as it is. This is why the Bucs let so many players walk.

You know, because math?

38 Responses to “The Bucs And Math”

  1. passthebuc Says:

    Let’s see how bad off we are after the draft. If the draft falls our way, I could see us dropping 27m in 2 players.

  2. Guinness8 Says:

    Funny stuff. Joe’s a little fired up this morning.
    You know, because of math!

  3. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Don’t feed us that junk. Yes, the Bucs have cap issues currently…but they could have easily freed up the money to keep both Humphries and Kwon. A few cuts and a restructure of Mike Evans would have given them plenty of cap space.

  4. bucfanforever Says:

    Because math:

    5-11 doesn’t make the playoffs

    Keeping the status quo = no playoffs.

  5. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Here’s what I see

    Adam Humphries – a B+ player
    Kwon Alexander – a B Player
    Desean Jackson – a C player
    Vinny Curry – a D player

    Free agent signings are all ‘F’ players, including the resigning of Santos, except for the new punter who is a ‘C’ at best.

    So tell me, how does the off season grade out? A ‘D’ at best…and that’s generous.

  6. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    bucfanforever Says
    “Because math:

    5-11 doesn’t make the playoffs

    Keeping the status quo = no playoffs.”


    A team gets better by holding onto good or great players and getting rid of the bad players. Not by keeping the bad players and getting rid of the good ones. We’ve been getting rid of good players and replacing them with bad ones.

    It’s not hard to grasp.

    That’s the real math.

  7. Kobe Faker Says:

    “There is over $30 million of overpay in this roster

    Restructure their contracts or see ya later

    #Bucs and Meth”

    Kobe Faker

  8. Defense Rules Says:

    You’re exactly right Joe, the Bucs are “in salary cap hell”. Right now Spotrac has the 10-6 Colts in Spot #1 with $57.6 mil in Top-51 Cap space. It has the 11-5 SB-winning Patriots in the middle of the pack (#15) with $17.6 Mil in Cap space.

    Oh ya, it has the 5-11 Buccaneers in LAST PLACE (yup, #32) with a scant $1.7 mil in Top-51 Cap space. Of course that’s AFTER we divested ourselves of some now high-salary players like DJax, Humphries & Kwon. But no sweat, we got Perriman & Bucannon ‘on the cheap’ so we’re OK.

    OH wait, maybe we’re not OK. We STILL have a roster with a number of questionable starting holes. We STILL lack depth in many position groups on our roster. And oh ya, we STILL have to sign our rookie class (estimated to be $9.7 mil). But have no fear, Jason Licht is here. We be good.

  9. mcruzer Says:

    How is Desean jackson a “C” player when on almost every missed connection he was running wide open 90% of the time?

  10. TOM Says:

    Its a Bucs life. Keep up the good work Licht.

  11. bucfanforever Says:

    A team gets better by having 3-5 transformation plays, then a whole bunch of role players that fill in the gaps, along with enough depth, so they can keep playing through the end of the game and if any injuries.

    Have a whole bunch of good players equals mediocre.

  12. bucfanforever Says:

    3-5 transformational players.

  13. El Buco Realisto Says:

    We have read worse articles!!!!! Why there is one from last year that said that jason licht “did his job” and “that he fixed the defense” when he over paid backups and salary cap casualties last year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!! that was way worse than this article!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. NOSBOS Says:

    BA deciding to take over this lame organization and the acquisition of Shaq Barret have made this off season a great offseason thus far.

  15. Anonymous Says:

    Or another way of putting it, ideally you want to have 3-5 guys you think can have a shot at making the Hall of Fame, then a few more guys that can make it to a pro bowl every once in a while, then the rest of the guys just need to be able to not blow it when they are on the field. The salary cap doesn’t allow you to keep 22 veterans who you are B or better players. Each of those guys are going to make 8-12 mil plus a year, depending on their position, which will put you way over the cap before you fill out the other 31 players. You have to load up your roster in the way that gives you an advantage that you can win games with. Having an all-average plus roster won’t work.

  16. tmaxcon Says:


    You do realize the bucs will never win another playoff game ever again don’t you? This franchise has no intentions of ever competing…. glazers were satisfied with Gruden cleaning up Dungy the clowns mess for their only good year during their tenure as owners

  17. Ben Says:

    a bad lousy team and no $$$. Licht does a great job for the rest of the league

  18. JA Says:

    Realist or the “Spanish” incarnation thereof used in the previous article–

    Question for ya. When you incessantly close your posts with, “2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the ‘“real”’ fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!,” why do you put quotation marks around the word “real?”

    Usually but not exclusively, quotation marks are attributed to a quote from a book or a person. Otherwise, they are intended to mean the opposite. With that, are you saying that the non-fan has all the answers for the sheep?

    Some examples of the point I’m attempting to make:

    Tmax “loves” McCoy and we all think he is “intelligent.”


    That pirate dude, Jean, who writes under the pseudonym of a dead criminal, has a “positive” outlook on life.

    So, who has the answers for the sheep–the real fans or the “real” fans?
    I’m dying to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  19. NOSBOS Says:

    Now if anyone out there thinks I’m overhyping Shaq Barret ask Joe to give me permission to load a link breaking down his full story. It’s 15 minutes long. That way you an review his numbers in limited playing and see for yourself what I am saying about him.

  20. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Bucs Math is to over pay underperforming players

  21. EvolvingBucsFan Says:

    Joe, reminds me of a saying I heard years ago that stuck with me.

    There are 3 kinds of people in this world, those that can count and those that can’t…….


  22. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Look at the bright side,If it was up to me he would have got a F in previous years.

  23. Not there yet Says:

    People sound like they are actually upset they did not pay Humphries And kwon or just want to complain for the hell of it. Both were overpaid and just because we could have doesn’t mean we should have. Hump was a #4 at best for dirk but for BA that wouldn’t have changed and kwon may not even be ready at the start of the season anyway. Paying them says nothing but we are desperate to keep the losing streak alive

  24. Defense Rules Says:

    EvolvingBucsFan … GRRREAT saying. LMAO. (Sounds like it might’ve come from Yogi Berra).

    NOSBOS … Barrett has me impressed also. Now assuming that he has a great year, do you REALLY think we could afford him AND JPP NEXT year?

    Hopefully at least some of these guys on 1-year ‘prove-it’ deals work out. Of course IF they do, someone else will pay more for their services than the Bucs. It’s a Bucs’ life.

  25. rrsrq Says:

    This is a case of media/commenters that have no Klue what is going on in TPA. They just have to make a comment because they commented on other teams, I would rather listen to Chris Simms, Luke Easterling and the Good Morning Football crew, because they at least pay attention to what is happening in TPA. Even Pat Kirwin who has a home nearby is not always chimed in.

  26. EvolvingBucsFan Says:

    DR, it might be one of the great Yogi-isms but i’m not sure. He had many doozy’s.

  27. Rob Watson Says:

    Mccruzer posed a question of why was Desean Jackson considered a “C” player when Winston couldn’t hit him when he was wide open several times. Fitz sure did, though. And while we’re at it, why don’t you do an article on details of what misery he caused in the locker room? Maybe he just wanted to win and was calling out the “softies” in the bunch that want to win, but don’t REALLY want to win… I don’t know. Maybe Djack was a jerk, maybe he wasn’t. But is it fair to always print that he was without giving clear and concise proof that he was? You’re supposedly not tied to, write… While I’m venting, why not some articles on what the players are doing. How do they work out? Who do they hang out with? Do they think they can move up the depth chart? Watson has the speed to replace Hump, is he brave enough? It’s the offseason, get your ass out there and report instead of waiting to hear what Chris Simms said on some TV show

  28. Joe Says:

    Mccruzer posed a question of why was Desean Jackson considered a “C” player when Winston couldn’t hit him when he was wide open several times. Fitz sure did, though.

    Joe knows this is a popular talking point for the folks who cannot wait to dance on Jameis’ grave (and have the Bucs offense led by the Blaine Gabberts of the world) but what exactly did this second-coming of Lynn Swann, this anointed angel from California do after the Steelers game? He caught one touchdown pass in the final 13 games, that’s what he did. One!

    And that was a bomb — from Jameis!

    Uh, oh.

    Guess someone has to invent another crutch to try to run Jameis out of town.

  29. T REX Says:

    We have the most talented roster in the league!


    Senile Arians

  30. ben Says:

    Joe is blinded by love …Fitz sure liked DJax ,huh?? Winston rated 23rd best qb by nfl but has great receivers on the team …enough excuses for Winston./..he has been passed over

  31. NOSBOS Says:

    Defense,probably not but to be honest with I believe Barret because of his age will be the more valuable asset to keep going forward. Don’t get me wrong now I love JPP but Barret is a 3/4 perfect fit.

  32. Z31 BUCS Says:

    T-REX Says:
    “We have the most talented roster in the league!

    Signed, Senile Arians”


    We have the most senile & incoherent posts on this site

    Signed, T-REX”

  33. 813bucboi Says:

    the math is simple….



  34. T REX Says:

    Z31 BUCS Says:
    April 11th, 2019 at 10:39 am
    T-REX Says:
    “We have the most talented roster in the league!

    Signed, Senile Arians”


    We have the most senile & incoherent posts on this site

    Signed, T-REX”

    I live rent free in that hollow dome you call a head. LOL. My new internet stalker. Hey Joe, I have a stalker! Too bad his posts suck.

  35. GhostofSchiano Says:

    Here some more MATH

    BUCS Minus Jason Licht = improvement.

    Or at least a second round pick that will be on the team in 4-5 years.

  36. D-Rome Says:

    A few cuts and a restructure of Mike Evans would have given them plenty of cap space.

    I swear, sometimes I really believe you’re trolling. You’d look to restructure a top 5 receiver, the best player on the team, and best WR in Bucs history? How dumb would that look for the Bucs! Only in your world would you tell Mike Evans to restructure or take a hike!

  37. Defense Rules Says:

    NOSBOS … I’m through anointing any player as ‘Savior’ until they perform on the field FOR THE BUCS. I think Barrett has a ton of POTENTIAL, but he’s gotta turn that potential into PERFORMANCE going forward. I think there’s a very good chance that he will too. Carl Nassib is another DE who falls into that same category, and I’m eager to see if Will Gholston can rebound in Todd Bowles defense. I for one haven’t counted him out yet.

    JPP though is in a class by himself IMO. He’s been a solid PERFORMER since he entered the league (I had wanted the Bucs to draft him way back in 2010 when we drafted McCoy in the 1st Round … loved JPP’s play at USF). He now has more sacks (71) than anyone in that class except for Carlos Dunlap (72.5) and Geno Atkins (71). Impressive durability also. I hope we keep him for many years to come. We need his PERFORMANCE and LEADERSHIP skills.

  38. Rod Munch Says:

    Again, the Bucs are not in salary cap hell. They can cut people if they want to cut people, they choose NOT to do so. Salary cap hell is when you can NOT cut guys because it eats up too much of your cap. If the team wanted to keep Hump, then they could have cut Brate, used his $7m, plus what was paid to Perriman and that would have more than covered what Hump would have made. They could have cut McCoy and kept Kwon.

    Salary cap hell is when you don’t have any options. The Bucs have options and they believe their best players are already on the team.