Ian Beckles: Trade Down!!

April 25th, 2019

Doesn’t want the big fish.

Former Bucs guard and popular local radio personality Ian Beckles knows exactly what he would do tonight if he were Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht.

Beckles would trade down.

Beckles said the fact the Bucs defense is such a horrible sieve, the team needs bodies, more bodies than it can possibly draft this weekend as the draft is currently constructed.

That is, unless Licht gets creative and starts stockpiling draft picks by trading down.

“If you are picking at [No.] 5, for God sakes trade down!” Beckles bellowed on his podcast, “In the Trenches.” “What’s better to you? Pick at five and get a really good player or trade down to 10 and 15 and get two good players?”

Joe would suggest one really good player because your odds of getting that good player in the top 10 are significantly higher than picking later in the draft, or worse, with a bunch of second-round picks.

The Chiefs, for example, were an Andy Reid whisker away from the Super Bowl with a horrible defense. But they had a stud like Dee Ford who could make plays.

And given the Bucs’ history of second-round picks, why the hell would the Bucs actually want more of them? Like the defense doesn’t have enough stiffs on the roster already?

“Most of your teams are constructed with good players, not superstars,” Beckles said. “You have to have a lot of good players. Good intelligent players that know how to work in a system.”

Joe isn’t suggesting Beckles is lying here, but one of the greatest defenses in NFL history, the Super Bowl-winning Bucs, was indeed built around superstars, three of which were first-round picks.

Simeon Rice was a No. 3 overall pick. Warren Sapp was a No. 12 pick. Derrick Brooks was a steal at No. 28.

If the Bucs can get multiple first-round picks by trading down with the Redskins, for example, Joe’s open-minded about that. But not for a bunch of second-round picks.

Last year Licht came away with what was believed at the time to be a complete haul trading down with the Bills. How’d that work out?

If anything, Joe wants the Bucs to trade up and get that once-in-a-lifetime player and build around him.

Earlier in the same podcast episode, Beckles banged the drum to sign free agent defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, who Beckles rightly praised as one of the best defensive tackles in the game.

Where was Suh drafted?

Thank you and good night.

As always, Beckles welcomes feedback and encourages listeners to submit Bucs questions by e-mailing him at IanBeckles@RadioInfluence.com.

66 Responses to “Ian Beckles: Trade Down!!”

  1. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    or…trade the #5 to the Raiders (they will have the 4 & 5 picks)….Bucs get the Raider 2 late first round picks and their 2nd round pick….Raiders get their QB and who ever they like at 4…..1st round picks with their 5 year relatively cheap contracts are the best deal in the NFL

  2. Ndog Says:

    This guy says something dumber everyday. No Ian we don’t want a great player, SMH.

  3. Doctor_berto Says:

    This defense is severely lacking in top end talent. Gotta take BPA at 5.

  4. Jeff Says:

    Wrong. Trade down and you’ll get Gaines Adams 2.0 with Rashard Gary. Run!!!!!!!

  5. Dan Says:

    If we stay at 5, were picking a defensive lineman. If we trade back then we go offensive line or linebacker.

  6. joestang Says:

    Beckles is a loser. Why trade down and pick up 2 or 3 average players when you can get a franchise player to build around. Beckles was an average lineman and an even worse sports radio host.

  7. AreyouSerious? Says:

    yes let’s take advice from a drunkin horse slapper!

  8. Z31 BUCS Says:

    Yes joestang, your show is SO much better.
    – eyes roll –

  9. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    With our cap problems and roster holes….I hope we trade down 3 times…..pick up 5 extra picks in the first 3 rounds……8 picks in rounds 1-3…..so, how ’bout dat hope?
    We get cap relief from Dotson & Jensen….perhaps Allen & others next year.

  10. small axe Says:

    tank games to get a better draft pick
    Then trade down

  11. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    Heckles may be on to something…but as Joe said…how’d that work out last year? Perhaps if there was a new GM with a better track record and or winning percentage…it’d make more sense. Bucco Bruce likes the Top 6 players in this draft and I tend to agree with him.

  12. BucsFIRE Says:

    small axe Says:
    tank games to get a better draft pick
    Then trade down”


    EXACTLY! LOL, VERY well said.

  13. Lord Cornelius Says:

    The Chiefs defense wasn’t nearly as bad as people make it sound. They were MUCH better than the 2018 Bucs.

    They had 2 crazy shoot out games where they literally gave up 23% of all the points they gave up in 2018.

    In the other 14 games they gave up 23 PPG – which would have ranked 18th in 2018.

    Take out their next 2 worst games and they averaged 20.1 PPG given up across the other 12 games. Would have been the #9 scoring defense in PPG.

    The Bucs gave up 29 PPG in 2018.
    Take out their worst 2 games it’s still 27 PPG (ranks 26th vs 18th for Chiefs)
    Take out their worst 4 games it’s still 25 PPG (ranks 22nd vs 9th for Chiefs)

    Deeper dive / added context.

  14. Bird Says:

    DisAgree with trade down unless a few spots and still get white or Olivier

    You have a chance of getting a team leader /generational player/ pro bowler or

    Getting 2-3 guys to fill out a roster that are ok to good

  15. 813bucboi Says:

    trade down only if williams and oliver are gone…..


  16. Tom S. Says:

    I agree with Joe, in particular that if you have no confidence in your GM to make selections in the second round then you take the sure thing.

    The sad thing about the 2018 NFL Draft is that Licht could’ve made a very conventional change to his strategy when he traded down to 12 and acquired the two 2nd round draft picks that would’ve plugged a lot of holes that currently exist.

    Instead of the Actual Draft: 12. Vea 38. RoJo 53. MJ Stewart 63. Carlton Davis 94. Cappa 117. Whitehead

    One alternative would’ve been to recognize the screaming need on the o-line at guard and that Will Hernandez, who was considered a late first round pick was falling into the second round and made a trade up. Based on the Rich Hill Draft value chart, the Browns who had the 33rd selection and took Austin Corbett, had a draft value of 179.54 while the 38th selection Licht had was worth 157.49 a difference of 22.05 pts. Meaning if the Browns were willing to trade down a few spots (they also had the 35th pick), the Bucs could’ve offered 38 and the 4th round pick at 117 worth 24.70 pts (Jordan Whitehead).

    Alternative 2018 Draft: 12. Vea *33. OG Will Hernandez 53. *CB Donte Jackson 63. Carlton Davis 94. Cappa

    There are obviously many other promising ways the Bucs could’ve handled the 2nd round last year, but in this scenario you have a 1st round quality left guard who started at 16 games for the Giants, which put Marpet back at RG. A 4.3 speedster CB in Donte Jackson, a promising size CB in Carlton Davis and developmental (if potential bust) in Cappa. Two tweaks to the draft and the future would’ve looked a lot brighter than MJ Stewart and Ronald Jones make it look today.

  17. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Compensation for a Potential Trade w/Washington
    • Round: 1 / Pick: 15
    • Round: 2 / Pick: 46
    • Round: 3 / Pick: 76
    • Round: 3 / Pick: 96

    Coud yield us the following premier selections
    • Round: 1 / Pick: 15
    • Round: 2 / Pick: 39
    • Round: 2 / Pick: 46
    • Round: 3 / Pick: 70
    • Round: 3 / Pick: 76
    • Round: 3 / Pick: 96
    • Round: 4 / Pick: 107

  18. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    “Last year Licht came away with what was believed at the time to be a complete haul trading down with the Bills. How’d that work out?” – J0E

    People act like the Bucs second round picks last year were a complete wash. They weren’t.

    The trade down worked out very well, actually. We got Vita Vea for less money, we got Carlton Davis. That’s first and second round.

    How about some perspective on last year’s draft?

    • Vita Vea – Great Pick
    • Carlton Davis – Good Pick
    • Alex Cappa – Good Pick
    • Jordan Whitehead – Good Pick

    That’s four good picks…which is pretty much par for the course with Licht outside of 2016. Most GMs end up with only 2-3 good picks (26%). Licht is closer to 50% on a regular basis…so all these Jason Licht haters just sound stupid when criticizing his drafts (except 2016).

    The rest of the draft last year?

    • Ronald Jones II – Unknown. Never given a real chance. Everyone knows that Running Backs need 10-15 plays to really get going in a game. Jones had 10 plays in one game I think…and that was his best game. He only had what? 23 plays total? No way was he going to acclimate to the NFL that way.

    • M. J. Stewart – Unknown. Stewart looked good in early camps…because he was playing press coverage. Then in training camp, Smith made him play zone, and he struggled from that point on. Stewart is, and always has been, a press corner. Some people say he’s slow…that’s because he was being forced to play a new style, and thrown to the wolves. They didn’t teach him anything to help him adjust to the change. Word is this year it will be press. Watch and see the huge difference.

    • Justin Watson – Unknown. Another guy who go almost no opportunities. It’s understandable…we had a lot of pass catchers. This year will be different, because Jackson and Humphries are gone. He might just surprise you.

    • Jack Cichy – Unknown. Because of his injury, Cichy has largely been considered a non-factor. Even Joe has suggested he may not play again. I think he will…but he is still a question because of health, either now or in the future.

    So all of these people saying Jason Licht blew last year’s draft? Bull. It was probably the best draft he’s had, after the development takes place.

  19. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Yay! The cookies are fixed!

  20. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    We could seriously stack the cupboards w/ those selections

    • Round: 1 / Pick: 15 – Christian Wilkins (DE/NT)
    • Round: 2 / Pick: 39 – Elgton Jenkins (C/G)
    • Round: 2 / Pick: 46 – Chase Winivich (DE/OLB)
    • Round: 3 / Pick: 70 – Tytus Howard (RT)
    • Round: 3 / Pick: 76 – Amani Oruwariye (CB)
    • Round: 3 / Pick: 96 – Isaiah Buggs (DE/DT)
    • Round: 4 / Pick: 107 – Amani Hooker (SS/BNB)

  21. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:


    PR is saying they have confirmation that the Trade with Washington won’t happen because it is too far to trade down. According to them, ten overall is the furthest they would be willing to go.

    Of course, it is PR, so there is that.

  22. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Somewhere the Great Bobby Beathard would be proud

  23. Etzel Says:

    Trade down and get 10 AND 15??? He is aware that two different teams have those picks right???

    “Trading down is a great idea! Here’s a made-up impossible trade that would be awesome!” Is he drunk??? Or is he reading too many JBF comments???

  24. Not there yet Says:

    Lol it’s funny that people think trading down for a couple extra picks will change what they think about this team. All you can hope for as a gm is 2-3 good players and possibly 2 starters. It’s kinda sad watching fans pin their hopes of this team on the draft every freaking year. If you think the team was horrible because of coaching ok then maybe you understand but if you think it’s bad drafting then that’s the issue. Spence and VH3 fit better in this scheme, you can say players sucked based on a trash coaching staff. Those are just two examples. No choice but to see what those players have for the simple fact that we have 6 picks and you aren’t drafting 6 starters, no different with 8 picks. Go get the best players that you think can start

  25. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    The only player I really want to see here (by name) is WR Kelvin McKnight.

    He’s not likely to get drafted, or if he is, it will be late in the draft. But if he goes undrafted, I would love for the Bucs to give his a fair tryout.


    Not because I’ve seen him play though. It’s because I know his mother (attends my church) and I want good things for him. Plus, if he makes the team, there will be a Buccaneer at my church, so that would be cool 😉

  26. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    I’ve got Madd respect, for Mark Cook. But I haven’t tripped off anything they’ve reported for a long time.

    Excuse my bias – but I still got sour grapes from them changing; the format of their forum 20yrs ago.

  27. Tom S. Says:

    Again I ask dear Bonzai what ON EARTH makes Alex Cappa a good pick? Is it that he watched one of the worst starting guards in the NFL in Caleb Benenoch play all season or was it that when he was put in to play for a few series towards the end of the season that he looked just as bad?

    I must say Bonzai, you seem to have strong beliefs about players without any actual justification for it. Ronald Jones averaged 1.9 ypc. He couldn’t catch the ball (a problem known coming out). He looked BAD when he was on the field which is a problem since RB is one of the quickest positions to translate to the NFL from college. MJ Stewart couldn’t cover people. He was slow and gave up many plays due to a lack of size and athleticism. The team literally put him on special teams exclusively at the end of the season and switched him to safety in the offseason because… looked BAD.

    Basically Bonzai wants players like Cappa who hasn’t shown anything yet to be a good pick. He wants RoJo and MJ Stewart who actually proved to be very bad when on the field to be open questions, when generally when players step on a football field and prove to be one of the worst in the league at something they very rarely turn out to become very good players over time.

    Finally our dear delusional poster finishes his post with “So all of these people saying Jason Licht blew last year’s draft? Bull. It was probably the best draft he’s had” – So basically Bonzai believes 2018 will exceed the Winston, Donovan Smith, Ali Marpet and Kwon Alexander….bartender whatever that drunk fool is having, let me know so I know not to touch it.

  28. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Probably a little of both. lol
    Sounds like you’ve been sipping as well buddy.

    What are you drinking?

  29. SCBucsFan Says:

    All trades, either up or down, can’t be evaluated until you know what you gave up or what you are getting.

    But please feel free to continue saying these are good or bad trades.

  30. Bucsfanman Says:

    LUV- That theoretical haul would be just fine with me. Personally, I think Christian Wilkins is a better all-around player than Oliver. Just my opinion.

    But dude, as a fisherman myself, there is nothing more adrenaline pumping than hooking in to a Redfish the size that Ian is holding. That kind of catch turns grown men into cackling little girls!
    Tight lines to my fishing brethren!

  31. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Tom S…RIGHT ON…..ian is aloud mouth who rarely does any hw and loudly admits that…he has ZERO clue about the bucs except the time period he played and the nfl game has changed a ton. The NFL will always be a league where defense rules and you need a good run game but back in his days the rules were different. He is right that the bucs under licht ARE so far away from being a competitive team. Why cant the bucs be like the chiefs or browns and make these winning moves..this is like a high school football program that just has a team for the band and cheerleaders

  32. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    I like when Bonzee is off his meds and idolizing Licht Weight while campaigning for receivers in the CFL ( “Sky” Walker?) and his neighbors cousin who goes to a church. It must be draft day!

  33. bryan kohn Says:

    BA said it perfectly. Drafting for need gets you fired. Stay put and take the best damn player available.

  34. Magadude Says:

    Now hang on Joe, you said “Last year Licht came away with what was believed at the time to be a complete haul trading down with the Bills. How’d that work out?”

    We don’t have the final answer on that for as you know, DBs especially aren’t instant superstars usually, and on paper, the DT they wanted (they say), two CBs, and a RB looked great.

    My concern is that Licht is the problem. He is drafting the wrong guys.

  35. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    I feel the same way bredren.

    As a fellow fisherman myself, I also agree. Snagged me some good Ol’ sweet (legal) sturgeon a few weeks back. That still has me salivating; Lawd.

  36. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Anyone think the two fraternal NFL HC’s are working together today ?

  37. Omac Says:

    JOE with another idiotic take. Here it goes….

    “The Bucs SB defense was built with 3 1st round picks”.

    How many 1st rounders were on last years historically bad defense? 3 at least (Gerald, Vea, Vernon).

    There for your point is INVALID.

  38. Joe Says:

    There for your point is INVALID.

    Right. The way to build a Super Bowl-winning defense is to only use defensive selections on second- and third-day draft picks.

    Don’t be dumb just to try to take a potshot at Joe. smh

  39. Bucsfanman Says:

    LUV- Suwanee? Boat or kayak?
    With Oliver, I can’t get past the fact that he’s so highly touted coming out of Houston. He and Wilkins have almost IDENTICAL stats and Wilkins played against waaaaaay better competition. Again, my opinion.

  40. ronteco Says:

    Ndog Says:
    April 25th, 2019 at 12:25 pm

    This guy says something dumber everyday. No Ian we don’t want a great player, SMH.

    Took the words right outta my mouth Ndog. Even when he was on the radio this guy said stupid $hit. probably why he’s not on the radio anymore. why folks still give him a platform to say things is beyond me.

  41. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Maybe Seattle will want to move up for Devin White….they have 2 1st’s now

  42. Magadude Says:

    I do agree with Beckles here, which makes me sad in and of itself…they should trade down. I’ll add to my above post about the final answer on last year’s haul not being known….Also, the Bucs seem often to either draft bad 1st rounders or can’t keep the ones they draft for second contracts…so they will never be able to build on it. Yup, trade down, get some good players that bring hope to replace the bad ones we have proven we have. Again…maybe Licht is the factor here (and I suggest it’s more than “maybe”). Evans, Winston, Howard, Vita Vea, Hargraves. Evans is a clear hit. Howard and Hargraves can’t stay healthy, though Howard seems good. Vita Vea and Winston has flashed, but we also know the deal with Winston. Not a draft portfolio really.

  43. Magadude Says:

    Back to the selfish factor and Licht. Licht will not trade down unless he gets all the picks this year. He will not lower his stature this year to gain a future pick, because he knows he’s on thin ice. Licht only cares about this year. So that’s why I’m inclined to think they won’t move down….though I do think they should.

  44. Tom S. Says:

    Unfortunately Megadude, while DB’s can take time to adjust to the NFL, rarely does a CB taken in the second round get benched and relegated to special teams by a team that should be developing players because it has no chance at the postseason then in the offseason get switched out of the position and have it work out.

    Is it possible MJ Stewart becomes a starting caliber stafety? Sure. But if that’s what the team wanted there was literally a starting caliber safety available in Justin Reid who started 12 games for the Texans, ran a 4.4 at the combine and had 3 INTs as a rookie. Why not go for the natural safety than the failed CB transitioning to one.

    Regarding Ronald Jones, RB’s are the solid bet to have instant results moreso than any other position. Whether it’s Warrick Dunn, Cadillac Williams, Doug Martin, Alvin Kamara or Kareem Hunt you draft a RB expecting his first year to be one of his best. When RoJo starts out of the gate looking like he doesn’t belong on the field, that foreshadows only bad things for his future.

  45. Bucsfanman Says:

    ronteco- Don’t listen to mush sports radio, do ya? He’s baaack!

  46. Mr Lucky Says:

    “If if’s and but’s were candies and nuts what a wonderful Christmas [draft day] it would be.”
    – Don Meredith

    Think about that….

  47. Mr Lucky Says:

    “If if’s and but’s were candies and nuts what a wonderful Christmas [draft] it would be.”
    – Don Meredith

    Just think about it….

  48. Doctor_berto Says:

    Per Charlie Casserly, Bosa told he will be first overall pick

  49. Anonymous Says:

    Popular radio show host? Heckles is the absolute worst and uninformed talk show host in the history of sports talk radio…..he is never prepared and extremely self centered….terrible!!! He’s so bad that I have renounced WDAE and will never listen to his rubbish ever again….and I am not alone .

  50. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Shasta, Boat and I wish. lol

  51. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    No matter who he faced – for the past couple of years.
    Wilkins makes his presence felt immediately.

    U game him standing up at C, B, or A Gap.
    He can rush at the 3 or 5.
    Hold up at the nose.

    Full Back or TE on Goal Line.

    The kid’s just all around beast.

  52. Z31 BUCS Says:

    Omac Says:
    “There for your point is INVALID.”


    “There for”? Really?
    When casting stupid stones at others, maybe check your own words first.

  53. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    U can game him standing up in the C, B, or A Gap.
    He can rush at the 3 or 5.
    He can hold up at the nose.

  54. ITS ABOUT TIME !! Says:

    One thing we know for sure .Liicked would draft somebody and the coaching staff would to place them in a situation that was not there strength in college . Maybe with B.A. calling the shots they will have some real FREAKING LEADERSHIP !!!

  55. Bucsfanman Says:

    LUV- I may be in the minority but, I would take Wilkins over Oliver even at #5.
    Where’s Shasta? I’m a kayak dude myself.

  56. tnew Says:

    No way to know what the correct move is until the Bucs are on the clock.

    Two realistic scenarios:

    Cardinals realise they are long term better with Josh Rosen and Quinnen Williams than Josh Rosen and Kyler Murray.. so the first four look like this

    Williams, Bosa, Allen, Oliver

    What do the Bucs do then when the Skins offer this years 1 and 2 and next years 1?

    No trade back/??


    Murray goes 1 and the Skins figure out how to get the Jets pick. Then it looks like Murray, Bosa, Haskins…

    Maybe the Bucs want to draft up one spot for Williams..

    Or same scenario but just decide to pick between Williams or Allen.

    Anyone, I mean ANYONE arguing that last year’s trade down was a mistake is saying that the team would be better without Carlton Davis. Davis, one of the Bucs starting CBs, would not have been on this team without the trade down. Vea was the pick all along. Ronald Jones was the pick in the second either way. The only player the Bucs “missed” on by trading down was Minkah Fitzpatrick. I really don’t believe he was an option.

  57. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    For what we need – Wilkins the better prospect.

    Lake Shasta – Northern Cali (Great Airbnb Options)
    Kayak is for real fisherman

  58. Bucsfanman Says:

    Man, I didn’t know you were a Northern Cali guy! Never been north of L.A., spent 3 years at Camp Pendleton. More of a surfer back then. Age caught up with me!

  59. Darin Says:

    We dont know how it worked out yet. With a real coaching staff we will get answers this season. I love the trade down route IF one of the top 2 edge guys arent there. Dont like the idea of dropping to the Skins pick tho around 15 i think. Gota stay in range to get Bosa, Allen, Sweat or Burns.

  60. Tom S. Says:

    Fans act like middle schoolers were running practices last year and that now is the time that an actual adult is coaching the team. Bad news everyone, Dirk Koetter and Mike Smith had been coaching in the NFL for a decade before the past few years here and been promoted to head coach as a result of it.

    You can rightfully criticize both Koetter and Smitty for some of their decisions and say that Bruce Arians a 2x coach of the year will be an upgrade, however the likelihood that Arians and Todd Bowles turns Licht’s draft busts into canton busts are slim and none. No NFL coach is so bad as to make a good player a bust conversely no NFL coach is so good as to make a bust a pro bowler, despite what some wacky Bucs beat writers and fans want to believe.

  61. Buc1987 Says:

    Tom…that makes me wacky I guess. A really good coach can make a helluva difference imo.

    No to the trade down crowd.

  62. Buc1987 Says:

    Hell go trade up and get Q.

  63. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Not to pee on our parade but we DO realize this is all speculation right?

    I’m amused at the certainty being expressed. Like others here I have favorites but I’m well aware of the bust rate and that’s a rate that spares nobody…not even Belichik or JBF posters.

    Take a deep breath. The sky is not falling. Licht has NOT sucked at the draft…that’s FA and even there he did well with UDFA’s. His scouting of young college players has been as good as the rest of the league…not great unless we grade on the curve and call 50% good.

    The surprise for me in reading about the draft this year was the pronounced difference between the top 5…the next five..and then it goes back to the old 50% rule. Top 5 picks work out 75% of the time. I normally like trading down but that % may have changed my mind.

    IMHO which can be as wrong as anybody here as well as everybody in the league…Tom Brady sixth round…Ryan Leaf 2nd pick…JW and MM 1-2…JW may still work out but…..

    NOBODY gets this absolutely right. So let’s continue to throw our darts at the board and act like it’s fact.

  64. Billy_43 Says:

    All this baffling talk and they take Devin White.
    Everybody is already drunk.

  65. Tom S. Says:

    For the wacky fans, wait and see how the team does this year. I wouldn’t mortgage the house on the playoffs based on this roster 😉

    It’s almost like Stpetebucsfan missed my list of UDFA’s on the Bucs some of whom exceeded anything Licht has signed such as Donald Penn and Michael Bennett…go figure. Keep those blinders on, buddy!

  66. BringBucsBack Says:

    I thoroughly enjoy Beckles! With the exception of “sign Sue”, I find myself agreeing with him constantly. He is old-school, doesn’t ignore the obvious & has played in the league.

    Trade down! We need more, good players.

    Great players are found late in the 1st (& throughout the draft), everyone else finds them. We need to find MANY!