First One Off The Boat

April 30th, 2019


Now if Joe had to pick a player most likely to be cut or traded after the draft, it would be Bucs stud defensive tackle Gerald McCoy.

But follically-challenged numbers-type Billy Barnwell of BSPN thinks otherwise.

In the wake of last weekend’s draft, Billy believes it is Cairo Santos, not GMC, who will soon be unemployed.

Tampa used a fifth-round pick on kicker Matt Gay, who admitted afterward that even he was surprised the Bucs took him that early. When you’re a kicker and you think you were overdrafted, it’s not a good sign. The Bucs have been beyond awful at identifying and developing kickers the past few years, but by drafting Gay, it’s likely that they’ll be giving the rookie the inside edge in a competition with Santos.

After years of watching the Bucs urinate in the wind when it comes to kickers, Joe is just worn out.

Here is all Joe is looking for: someone, anyone at One Buc Palace to just find a guy who can regularly put the ball between the uprights. Is that really too much to ask, huh? If 31 other teams can solve this riddle, why not the Bucs?

33 Responses to “First One Off The Boat”

  1. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Keep Santos….Gay needs competition…..unless there is a cost to keeping Santos.

  2. Buc4evr Says:

    Matt Bryant , lol.

  3. Buc_U Says:

    Once again twisting words. The kicker said he was surprised when he got drafted, not that he felt like he was overdrafted. Of course he was surprised, kickers usually don’t get drafted in the 5th round. How long are you going to beat this horse Joe? I hope if these drafts picks ball out you put the same energy giving them props.

  4. Buc'dUp813 Says:

    Might as well just bring back the Automatic Gramatic!

  5. Rod Munch Says:

    Cutting Santos saves you $800k you can use towards keeping McCoy.

    Just do it already.

    That and cut Ryan Smith, cut Evan Smith and cut Gholston, and that’s another $8m you can use to keep McCoy.

  6. Bob in Brandon Says:

    Getting a kicker in the fifth round is not the same a getting a lineman on either side of the ball. For a non kicker all these players have been sifted through and you may get the 50th best player at his position available. I kicker in round 5 is likely the first kicker taken, hopefully the best player available at this position. Go Bucs!

  7. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Actually maybe competition isn’t that good…..a K & Punter are the only football players that don’t really play against anyone……it is them and the goalposts…..maybe he will be treated like Jameis….you’re our guy….go out and perform and do well….nobody is breathing down your neck….just kick it through the uprights.

  8. Sarasota Garey Says:

    Also Mike Evans contract was restructured, so they could save another 3 million there, I believe if they chose to.

  9. Lord Cornelius Says:

    lol worst stats of Licht’s tenure:

    1. Bucs have drafted as many kickers as DE in Licht’s tenure

    2. Between 2016-2019, we spent a 3rd & 4th pick to get Aguayo, a 5th rounder on this Gay guy, and a future 3rd or 4th on Pinion the punter via the compensatory formula, along with expensive contracts to 2 other FA kickers in Folk & Catanzaro

  10. LakeLand Says:

    Connor Barth all over again!!

    At least they had the decency to cut Connor 3 days after trading up for Roberto!!

  11. Rod Munch Says:

    If the Bucs were going to just cut McCoy, why haven’t they done it already? They just did cuts yesterday, and McCoy wasn’t part of it.

    Those wanting to run McCoy out of town, who exactly replaces him?

    If you’re interested in the Bucs winning games THIS year, then you should be hoping that the Bucs will free up money (per above) then talk McCoy into taking a salary around $8-9m, which still might be more than he gets on the open market.

    But if the Bucs just keep him around for no reason, with the idea of cutting him so late in the offseason he has no chance to get a big deal in the offseason, then what a trashy thing to do by the Bucs. They’re obviously keeping him around for some reason, if not then Licht really needs to be caned for being a piece of garbage.

  12. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    They are trying to trade McCoy and will take as long as it takes and the longer it takes, the better chance to get McCoy to restructure….IMO

  13. ATrain Says:



    Although can the Bucs afford to lose the Losing Sideline Dance

    Or the Quote of the Losers “ We didn’t play well today oh well there’s next week”

  14. tmaxcon Says:

    Rod Munch

    your doll playing career loser of a hero is a goner get over it already

  15. Chris Simms 2020 GM Says:

    If the GM makes a mistake on a draft pick, he can hide him on special teams or the practice squad. See Noah Spence.

    You can’t hide a field goal kicker.




  16. Rod Munch Says:

    tmaxcon – I wish you’d take my advice and throw yourself into a meat grinder already.

  17. Isaac haggins Says:

    I think the player the Bucs would trade for a R tackle or guard would be L David and I am most confident they would hv traded McCoy for a third if they could hvgotten it . So first and foremost that may clearly be a sign as to why Dom is unemployed as he clearly said he would bring a second or third !!! They can’t trade him now until Suh is signed in less it’s for a player . Once again Licht has lost value by not having savy foresight , there is no way any compident new coach wants GMC near his roster and btw the owners shouldn’t allow it .

    Cutting GMC and signing Suh is unfortunately your bed option for this team

  18. Bucsalltheway Says:

    Just make sure what happened to Chicago’s season and superbowl doesnt happen to the bucs

  19. tmaxcon Says:

    Rod Munch Says:
    April 30th, 2019 at 4:42 pm

    tmaxcon – I wish you’d take my advice and throw yourself into a meat grinder already.

    ahhhh so sweet of you…… i realize the truth hurts pal but the crying clown experiment was a failure just like the other hypocrite bum dungy the clowns tenure was a failure.

  20. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “Chris Simms GM 2020”

    Please change your name man lol. Why do you want Simms? Just look at how he evaluated the 2018 / 2019 drafts:

    2018 CHris Simms QB Rankings:
    1)Lamar Jackson
    2)Josh ALlen
    3)Baker Mayfield
    4)Sam Darnold

    Both Lamar Jackson & Josh Allen were completely reliant on running and were pretty terrible at doing what QBs are supposed to do – pass the ball. Lamar Jackson had the #1 defense in the NFL propping him to a playoff birth. Baker Mayfield by far the only legit QB so far from that draft.

    He had DJ SHark as the #1 WR in that draft and he proceeded to catch 14 balls while obvious names like Calvin Ridley / DJ Moore / Courtland Sutton all were consens better ranked players and all had much more obvious and immediate impact.

    He has Rashan Gary – the #1 guy I’d have avoided in this draft -a complete workout warrior only to this point – ranked over Josh Allen as a edge prospect.

    He had Jaylon Ferguson rated over Clelin Ferril. Maybe he pulls that one out of his 4ss

  21. Bucs_in_Spain Says:

    30 other teams Joe. The Chargers would do unspeakable things for a kicker too.

  22. Dapostman Says:

    From 2015-2018 the Bucs are 96 for 132 in FG’s. 72%. The NFL average is about 84%. That’s around 112 made for the 132 attempts. Given how close a lot of NFL games are we all know The importance of kicking.

  23. DooshLaRue Says:

    @Buc U

    Re read the article, Joe didn’t twist it, the reporter he quoted said that.
    That’s what it means when it’s written in smaller font.

  24. Defense Rules Says:

    Just looked up Matt Gay’s college kicking stats to compare them with Roberto Aguayo’s stats. Gay kicked for Utah for 2 years: 85 of 85 on Extra Pts, and 56 of 65 on FGs (86.2%). Aguayo kicked for Fl State for 3 years: 198 of 198 on Extra Pts, and 69 of 78 on FGs (88.5%).

    Interestingly, Matt Gay’s 86.2% FG made ranks as #9 on the NCAA list (since 1956). Roberto Aguayo’s 88.5% FG made ranks as #3 on that same list.

    So statistically Roberto was a considerably better. Scary isn’t it. Y’all SURE you want to cut Cairo Santos? (MAYBE rookie kickers are unpredictable?)

  25. Kobe Faker Says:

    “The Family Dollar Franchise

    How can a pathetic losing team have no money?

    Kobe demands a wonderlic test to all GMs

    Jason”Vince Young” Gump has to go!”

    Kobe Faker

  26. ROFOBuc Says:

    I bet the Bears wish they had a kicker too.

  27. tmaxcon Says:


    I prefer jeopardy over wunderlick….

    My dream jeopardy round would be vince young, 55 and jamarcus Russell with mike Tyson hosting

    Its possible not a single question would be answered correctly

  28. Jackwagon Says:

    Well..if “Billy Barnwell” thinks so then..hey. Yeah damn.

    And if writing articles about kickers being cut with Billy Barnwell…is a thing, the the future of the site is…in great hands!

  29. Rod Munch Says:

    Defense – Well there’s a reason that Roberto went in the 2nd round, well the 2nd to last pick in the 2nd round anyways, he was really good in college. Roberto also had a good mental makeup. The problem was he missed a couple of early kicks, like most rookie kickers do, and then he was lynched on social media. Keep in mind Roberto didn’t miss a single kick that mattered, but because social media and message boards deemed him unworthy, the Bucs cut bait on him instead of just sticking it out – which is what they sound have done, and which we know from history is what the Bucs should have done. Roberto had a better rookie year than Janikowski and he was a legit middle of the 1st rounder kicker, but in 2000 no one cared what nerds on a message board said so they just stuck with him.

    As for Gay, he has a much stronger leg than Roberto and was nearly as accurate – but then again he kicked at higher altitude which pads those long kicks. Also Gay said he’s never kicked a game winning FG, ever. That’s remarkable – not his fault he was never in that position, but still, that’s remarkable. Another positive for Gay is that I’m sure he kicked in weather under 50 degrees, which was another negative on Roberto.

    Anyways Licht needs to turn off the NFL Network in his office and stay off Twitter and just stick with someone if puts a lot of money or resources into them.

  30. Magadude Says:

    Ummmm. Not so much. Let’s get Matt Gay in and kicking and succeeding in preseason before we cut Santos, shall we? Didn’t we let Barth go too early one year?

  31. Defense Rules Says:

    Rod … I’m an advocate for keeping BOTH kickers at least for the early part of the season. Let’s see what we’ve got when the cannon balls start flying BEFORE we totally commit to one or the other. Preseason might give us an earlier clue however.

    Far as the media adversely impacting a kicker’s confidence goes, sorry but that just seems like an excuse. Kickers have ONE JOB and ONE JOB ONLY. It’s a job that’s ALWAYS under pressure; many, many games have been decided by 3 pts or less. IMO it doesn’t matter whether those 3 pts come at the beginning of the game or at the end of the game. 3 pts are 3 pts.

  32. passthebuc Says:

    we would be better off going for 2 points

  33. Wiscobucsfan Says:

    Well to be fair Joe, 31 other teams have not solved this problem. Some have, but in no way do all other 31 teams have competent kickers