Donovan Smith Or Adam Humphries?
February 26th, 2019
One or the other?
So which is it? Which player do you want the Bucs to retain? It’s one or the other.
Sam Robinson over at ProFootballRumors.com seems to believe the Bucs are going to franchise tag one of two players. And the player that doesn’t get tagged will be gone from Tampa Bay.
So who should the Bucs tag, left tackle Donovan Smith or wide receiver Adam Humphries?
A Smith tag would make it less likely Adam Humphries returns. Although the Bucs are high on their slot receiver. With receiver not a particularly strong position this year — though, some key names will be available — Humphries can probably command a deal worth more than the Bucs ($15MM-plus in cap space) can afford.
Joe isn’t so sure it is that simple. Why not just throw malcontent wide receiver DeSean Jackson to the curb and use the money that was going Jackson’s way to keep Humphries?
The Bucs can still trim salaries besides Jackson’s. Joe doubts Ryan Fitzpatrick returns. And more and more Joe is less confident Kwon Alexander returns. If he stays, it won’t be anywhere near oily Drew Rosenhaus rumors that have him seeking in the $10 million/season range.
February 26th, 2019 at 9:11 am
Hump should be the top priority signing. Ask yourself. Who done the most for the team Hump or Smith? I’d say hands down it was Hump. I rest my case.
February 26th, 2019 at 9:13 am
Personally, I think you secure your LT spot all day long over your 3rd or 4rth W/R. Tagging Smith gives the bucs more flexibility in the draft as well. If we do not lock up Smith we are suddenly desperate for an alternative. I am not even a huge Smith guy, I think he has struggled at times to say the least but the FA market is barren and from what is being reported the draft prospects at LT are iffy.
February 26th, 2019 at 9:19 am
Donovan Smith, IMO. Also, I agree with you Joe on Kwon Alexander. He’s not so special that it warrants giving him the big contract. He’s injury prone as well. Good guy but time to move on.
February 26th, 2019 at 9:23 am
DS….love Hump’s game and attitude…but this is a no brainer…DS
February 26th, 2019 at 9:23 am
You find a way to keep both…Bucs aren’t in a position to let their own “get away” and create more holes…
February 26th, 2019 at 9:25 am
I agree Doolnutts – you have to pay more attention to your starting LT over your 4th WR.
Pretty simple
I like Hump but the truth is we can’t afford to keep him AND take care of all the other needs on this team.
We better hit a home run in this draft as well
February 26th, 2019 at 9:28 am
Hump is someone that finally leaves us and is a hot commodity Justin Watson Godwin just going to get more touches 🙂
February 26th, 2019 at 9:30 am
although D Smith is another poor pick by a below average gm, licht has backed the bucs into a bad spot, so definitely signing an LT that is serviceable is way more important than a 4th or 5th option at wr. Adam Humphries are expendable and can find all over the place draft hunter renfrow (humphries 2.0) in the 6th round.
February 26th, 2019 at 9:33 am
Neither one matters nor are either one them difference makers. The emotional attachments to garbage players bucfan has is so laughable
February 26th, 2019 at 9:35 am
Hump is god but he ain’t worth Geraldine type money or 10 million a year. Those guys top a 1000 yards and are number one receivers not a freakin slot guy. Everyone is replaceable especially a slot guy so see ya hump. It’s rare teams feature a slot guy and that’s the only way you pay that kinda money
February 26th, 2019 at 9:36 am
Agree with you Joe … none of this is “that simple”. I’m convinced that we’ll franchise Donovan (at around $14-$15 mil) but also re-sign Hump (at $7 mil most likely). And yes, DJax is gone IMO.
Bucs CAP situation has me confused right now though Joe. FloridaFootballInsiders has us sitting at $15.8 mil right now AFTER Curry’s release. I thought it’d be more like $23 mil. Wondering now if the 2019 CAP increase has kicked in yet.
February 26th, 2019 at 9:37 am
doolnutts & BucNole ….. Not sure if I agree…..If DS would have been at least descent I would say I agree, but the truth he is not……..This is the the exact example when a team overpays….There is a lack of OL everywhere and you pay for a less than an average player…..So I would pick Hump that he showed everybody how efficient he is.
February 26th, 2019 at 9:37 am
Dump GMC
Keep both
Hump is a huge part of this offense
February 26th, 2019 at 9:43 am
Hump is the 4th or 5 th receiver?
I’m thinking more like 2nd or 3rd and who is more reliable???
You can’t just throw someone in there to fill his shoes
February 26th, 2019 at 9:49 am
OL is more important position
February 26th, 2019 at 9:50 am
I’d tag Smith over Hump. Smith may not be the best LT in the league but he’s consistently available and a fairly decent player who should continue to get better. I like Hump and would love to see him back but he’s replaceable as the team’s #3 WR/slot WR. Golden Tate, John Brown, Tyrell Williams, Crabtree, etc.
February 26th, 2019 at 9:54 am
imo, it is simple….we have more quality weapons vs quality T’s…..run more 2 TE sets with brate and OJ…..
passing wasnt the issue….it was the run game….who helps the run game more…hump or d.smith
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
February 26th, 2019 at 9:55 am
Yeah let’s debate on players who haven’t gone to pro bowls or taken us to the next level great article joe
February 26th, 2019 at 9:55 am
You keep your LT (Smith) and pay your #2 WR (Hump). Get rid of Jackson and sigh the Honey Badger. There will be enough Cap room with the $ Increase.
February 26th, 2019 at 9:58 am
Keep neither!
Draft LT in round 1
Sign LeVeon Bell.
Sign a FA Defensive Lineman/ restructure or cut McCoy.
Trade/cut D-Jax and sign a FA OG.
We need to not suck any longer. Too much suck this past decade.
Jason Licht isn’t even as good as Dominik and that’s ludicrous.
The JBFers here could do better than the Bucs Front Office over the past decade. Schiano is 💯 correct in saying we are a “laughingstock”.
Who gets to the playoffs first: Baker and the Browns or Jameis and the Bucs?
February 26th, 2019 at 10:02 am
Lose them both.
Smith is marginal on his best days.
Hump is rock solid but not spectacular.
I am sure this is unpopular but whatevs.
Pistol
February 26th, 2019 at 10:06 am
I like bobo Wilson to replace Desean and or Adam or at least exposes him more in receiving. Jamies and bobo have a connection. I would put a transition tag on Adam. I would definitely sign Donovan to long term. The dude hasn’t missed a a game in what … 3-4 years. ? And now with good coaches he’s going to get better in technique. Desean and Kwon .. I would let go.
February 26th, 2019 at 10:11 am
love me some Hump, but LT is harder to come by. gotta keep smith.
GMC or Brate should go and keep Hump
February 26th, 2019 at 10:19 am
Question: Can a team franchise one player and transition another? Or can just one player be *either” franchised or transitioned?
February 26th, 2019 at 10:21 am
Tom—
Per your request I asked myself, “Who done the most for the team Hump or Smith?”
Then, after anxiously digesting the comments of others, many as lucid as yourself, I came to the conclusion that I agree with (to my knowledge) the second incarnation of the renown pseudonym, Pistol Pete: Neither!
At least not for the dollars. Middle of the road players of that caliber can be obtained far cheaper from free agency and/or the draft.
February 26th, 2019 at 10:21 am
bucs fans are the only morons on planet earth that would consider tagging a mediocre low ceiling number 5 or 6 undrafted receiver.
February 26th, 2019 at 10:24 am
Keep Smith. But I think you can keep them both. I feel the numbers that I have seen for kwon, smith, and humph are all too high. I wouldn’t tag any of these guys, I’d give Smith a deal with 90 percent of his money guaranteed. So 3 year 30 million, guaranteed 27 million. If he walks I grab J William’s in the draft and move on.
February 26th, 2019 at 10:33 am
You have to keep Smith first and foremost. I dont see how you cant work a contract that makes Hump happy and cap friendly.
February 26th, 2019 at 10:35 am
Regardless of if we go to a 3-4 or stay at a 4-3 defense, the days of thinking every undersized 225 linebacker is the next Derrick Brooks needs to end.
February 26th, 2019 at 10:38 am
This is a tough one. Hump is clutch and produces consistently while Donovan does not. But if we let go of Donovan it will be much harder to fill that hole than it will be to fill hump’s role because we are deep in quality receivers.
So the question is really who is harder to replace and to fill that hole if he leaves?
As much as i hate to say it even though Rudy leads the team in YAC, Donovan squeaks out the win here.
February 26th, 2019 at 10:40 am
@DR…
The current cap situation at OverTheCap is correct at roughly $15.8 mill. We came into the offseason with just shy of $8 mill available, and a few weeks ago once the NFLPA and NFL front office released the projected $190 million cap for all teams, it was instituted for all clubs out there the next day.
We currently accurately stand at $15.8 million available including all offseason roster activity through yesterday.
Of course, Licht has a hell of A LOT more work to do, but slick Rick wants to stroll through Indy first, and strike out, out, out. BUT…we will have to address a few very important “escalation” clauses in players’ contracts currently on the roster by March 17th, so ONE WAY OR ANOTHER…slick Rick will adjust this roster (and cap situation) a fair amount by that date, at a minimum.
Go Bucs!
February 26th, 2019 at 10:42 am
I hate to say it but losing Smith would hurt more than Losing Humph. Every one obviously wants adam to stay but if someone else is going to pay him Julian Edelman salary you have to let him walk. I think keeping Mccoys contract was a bad move but maybe he has that career year with a real defense….I just fear his body is already past that primer and this could be the year it starts to rapidly decline.
February 26th, 2019 at 10:53 am
cut djax over humph
February 26th, 2019 at 11:07 am
SammyRebel Says:
“Yeah let’s debate on players who haven’t gone to pro bowls or taken us to the next level great article joe”
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Nice sarcasm.
Um, Sammy…. in case you have not looked around, if articles were limited to Bucs who have gone to pro bowls or taken us to the next level…….. we would have……….. (crickets)
February 26th, 2019 at 11:16 am
Hump will get paid somewhere else! He will be let go. Next man up: Justin Watson!! I loke his talent and he may be more talented than Hump! I believe we will make an offer for John Brown also if we trade Djax so we will be fine at WR.
February 26th, 2019 at 11:24 am
for the folks saying let smith walk, yall do realize that the entire right side of the oline is trash at best….
you cant fix a hole by making one right beside it….
as much as i like hump you have to keep d.smith over adam…
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
February 26th, 2019 at 11:27 am
1. ME
2. Godwin
3. Bobo Wilson / (John Brown??)
4. Watson
5. Draft Pick (This year’s Watson)
6. Rookie special-teamer from last year who was ballin’ then got injured
(last name begins with an S and I think he was from CFL) (I’ll look him up)
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Sorry guys but this is how it works we can’t keep everyone…. although I’d prefer to keep hump we can’t do both AND get better on Defense with limited resources. I’d rather see funds go toward Honey Badger, L. Collins, or Trade for Pat Peterson anyway.
Question: If we net more losses in FA than signings does anyone know what round Comp pick we’d get for loosing Hump??
Go Bucs!!
February 26th, 2019 at 11:40 am
Humphrey is a nice player, but even serviceable offensive linemen are more valuable than a #4 passing option.
February 26th, 2019 at 11:41 am
Hump is the better plater but Donoban is at a much more premium position where it’s hard to find a sure fire guy. Even being average we need to keep Smith especially with all the other holes. Without Hump you will likely lose a lot of production but at least your qb won’t get killed and everything still works. If it’s as simple as cutting Jackson to keep him it should have been done yesterday.. not sure why Jackson is still here. Agree it should probably be spent on defense, but would certainly miss Hump ir he’s asking too much
February 26th, 2019 at 11:47 am
Get rid of both of them, and then some. Add McCoy, David, Brate, Dotson, Benenoch, Spence to name a few. What have you won with all of them together the last two years? Ten wins that’s what, in two years. Instead of trying to build around these losers, why not get rid of them? Some high priced leaders who haven’t won squat since they’ve been here. What’s a rookie going to learn from McCoy, how not to make the playoffs the last nine years? By not resigning, and cutting these losers you’d have a boat load of money, and picks to replace them. This will be the third coach trying to turn the losing “culture” around for these guys. Time to change the players who have been part of the losing “culture” in the locker room instead.
February 26th, 2019 at 11:51 am
I think there’s a consensus that everyone loves Humphries and knows he gives 110% every game. Often comes up with clutch plays. But given a straight-up choice between him and Donavan, you have to go with Donavan. We’re loaded at WR, not so much at left tackle. Humphries commands too much money, even though it’s well deserved. The Bucs just can’t afford it this year, not when there are so many other holes to plug. I wish him well wherever he lands and know he will be an immediate contributor to whatever team is able to nab him. Hope it’s no one in the NFC South.
February 26th, 2019 at 11:58 am
“So who should the Bucs tag, left tackle Donovan Smith or wide receiver Adam Humphries?”
The correct answer is NEITHER!
Obviously the Bucs are not going to pay $16M for Adam Humphries – that’s just a ridiculous thought.
Paying Donovan Smith $14-15M sounds pretty stupid as well IMO. Smith is worth about half that. We can’t overpay an OT whose tape shows he is (at best) an average Tackle. Especially since his run blocking is so sub-par.
Bucs would be in the exact same position with Smith next year – and that’s AFTER you already paid him like a superstar. Smith’s demands/expectations for a top dollar contract will only increase if the Bucs franchise Tag him this year….
Let Smith walk – net a 3rd rd compensatory pick in 2020 for doing so – draft the best OT you can find in the 1st or 2nd rd – and put that $15M to better use filling 2 other holes with good players. (preferably on defense).
February 26th, 2019 at 12:06 pm
He didn’t mean that literally.
Tag smith or choose Humphries.
You can’t tag Humphries . That’s 15 mil for number 3 or 4 receiver/slot receiver? : they don t discriminate that he is in slot.
February 26th, 2019 at 12:09 pm
Tag Smith. Sign Humphries. Read MeJax.
Trade (yes, still) 93.
February 26th, 2019 at 12:10 pm
“trade” MeJax, I meant.
February 26th, 2019 at 12:13 pm
LT vs #3 WR
“I rest my case”
February 26th, 2019 at 12:15 pm
They will re-sign Smith. They will re-sign Kwon.
They will re-sign Hump.
February 26th, 2019 at 12:16 pm
Cut Jackson
Resign Humph
Tag Smith if you must and can’t replace him
February 26th, 2019 at 12:21 pm
Here’s the thing. It is times like this, when bad teams make big cap mistakes. They either refuse to pay enough, or they over pay to keep their guys.
The Buccaneers need to find that balance.
Smith should get no more than $10m.
Kwon should get about the same. David is making $8m and the franchise tag amount for LB is $14m. $10m is a good middle ground.
Adam Humphries has given the most production of the three of them. He should get the most. $11m per year. That’s $33m for a three year deal, or $44m for a 4 year deal.
February 26th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
BucAllNight Says
“1. ME
2. Godwin
3. Bobo Wilson / (John Brown??)
4. Watson
5. Draft Pick (This year’s Watson)”
Bobo Wilson is nowhere near worth being a number three WR. Heck, Watson is at best a number 4 and he’s better than Wilson!
If Arians can’t keep the best WR unit in the NFL together in Evans, Godwin and Humphries, then he’s going to blow everything before he even gets started. And yes…he is in full control.
February 26th, 2019 at 12:29 pm
If Smith was average working his way towards a second contract- how do you think he will play when he gets said contract… Move him to Guard or RT and pay him the money demanded for those positions, not premium LT money. Dude will be making almost as much as the QB he is there to protect. Not a chance. See if Hump will take 5-6 a year, if not move on We have slot receivers on this roster, ie- Bobo, Justin Watson or any of our TEs minus Auclair the human drive killa.
February 26th, 2019 at 12:37 pm
If we want to become an elite franchise imo we have to draft better and stop overpaying FA…
I’ll use the Steelers as an example; they’re rarely in a salary cap crunch because they rarely if ever overpay for FA…Even their own homegrown players rarely get a lucrative 2nd contract…It seems to me that by the time players are coming to the end of their rookie contract their replacement has already been drafted…
Ultimately you can’t resign everyone, that’s why it’s so important to draft well, develop, and be picky about who gets a second contract…
February 26th, 2019 at 12:38 pm
“They will re-sign Smith. They will re-sign Kwon.
They will re-sign Hump.”
Therein lies the problem.
We acquire players that just aren’t top level, we can’t coach them into greatness, and then we re-sign them. Look at how the Pats’ roster works, and they’re picking close to last every year.
I don’t have a problem with Hump, he’s come in here, worked hard, produced and stayed out of trouble. He deserves to make some money, and he seems like the perfect fit for NE. He’s got Edelman written all over him. And if Bill can get him for less than Julian, Julian will be gone before you know it, traded while he’s got value.
Imagine that.
February 26th, 2019 at 12:45 pm
Do you want overachievers or underachievers? Should make it easy
February 26th, 2019 at 12:51 pm
Good lord. Good thing @Bonzai isn’t running the books over at One (Wannabe-Slick-Rick-Licht) Buc Place.
Sheesh.
Just go back to “trimming the tree” for Mr. Miyagi…
🙂
Go Bucs!
February 26th, 2019 at 12:52 pm
I want out of the NFC S basement.
Resigning Smith for top LT money would be stupid as hell. He’s not the best, but he’s durable, and he takes plays off. The takes plays off part is my “hell no” trigger.
Draft a LT on a rookie contract and let them thrive.
It’s sad to see some arguing to keep Smith just because the right side of the line needs work. Draft three new lineman then!
The reason our O line is not where it needs to be is bc Licht would prefer a slow CB, or a kicker in the first two rounds of the draft.
February 26th, 2019 at 1:01 pm
Unfortunately because of how difficult they are to replace, LT D. Smith should get the tag. A high priced slot receiver who is 4th on the WR depth chart will not be used enough to justify tagging him in Arians offensive scheme. Arians likes two TE set. One to line up on the ends as extra blocker and one passing catching TE used in the slot. Cameron Brate may even be gone because he’s expensive and is relegated to backup behind Howard while A. Auclair will probably be the blocking TE. In this alignment, the running game should get a boost.
February 26th, 2019 at 1:18 pm
@SteveK … “Draft a LT on a rookie contract and let them thrive.” Agree with you Steve, BUT … we also need to re-sign Donovan. We MIGHT get a stud Tackle with a 1st or 2nd Rnd pick, or we might get a dud. But in any event, we’d have no one else on the roster capable of playing LT (and before the Wester crowd jumps up screaming, playing well in preseason against 2nd & 3rd stringers can’t be extrapolated to playing well against the big boys in playoff games). Keep Donovan for a year & see how he progresses under a new coach. Use whoever we draft to play RT in place of Dotson, but also make sure he’s capable of playing LT. If he does well there (as in ‘better than Donovan’), might even use him as the LT in the regular season then let Donovan walk at the end of the season. Point being: keep our options open at this point.
February 26th, 2019 at 1:23 pm
Donovan Smith.
Let’s face it: We are in an offensive line crisis in the NFL. We won’t find a guy like Smith on the street, but there are innumerable decent wide receivers like Humphries running around the NFL. It’s ridiculous how the people on here value a #4 wide receiver (easily replaceable!) more than a starting left tackle!
Y’all forget Humphries doesn’t even START for our team. He’s a skilled backup on the deepest position on the Bucs. Smith actually starts, is never injured, and is serviceable.
Resign Donovan Smith. I love Adam Humphries which is why I think he should walk and get whatever money some other team is willing to pay him. It just shouldn’t be us with our tiny cap space.
Does ANY other team have a #4 receiver (not even counting our tight ends!) earning what Humphries plans to make?
February 26th, 2019 at 1:35 pm
I want the Bucs to tag or re-sign Humphries, but I know they have to tag Smith. Just don’t re-sign Kwon.
February 26th, 2019 at 1:39 pm
You should keep both and get rid of DJax, the sex offender-shoplifter can’t get him the ball anyways. He can hit Hump for 6 to 8yds all day long though that’s a no brainer.
February 26th, 2019 at 1:42 pm
Greg Robinson may have just set the market by signing a 1 yr ext with Cleveland. Base 7mil with incentives he can make 9mil.
Bucs might not want to tag Smith at 14mil if a similar player just got under 10
very interested to see how this plays out
February 26th, 2019 at 2:19 pm
Completely agreed! It would be straight up buffoonery for the Bucs to re-sign Humphries for market value. For as frustrating it has been to watch D. Smith play over the years , if he hits the open market he will hands down be the best available LT in free agency.
February 26th, 2019 at 2:28 pm
NFL network reports Bengals shopping 4.22 WR Ross- 7 TDS on 21 catches
Due 5 mil over next 2 years-
Trade him for DJAX and a 7th!!!
Take the top off with no mouth running and whining and for way less $$
February 26th, 2019 at 2:30 pm
No doubt it’s your LT that’s more valuable. As we all seen in the first two games (saints and eagles) the slot position wasn’t utilized. It wasn’t until O.J. Howard went down with a season injury, Humphries got hot!! Still wish we could keep him tho.
February 26th, 2019 at 2:43 pm
Mike I just saw that and thought same thing trade Djax for him have him for two years. You can get rid of humphries and Jackson. Have Ross as your stretch the field guy. And have bobo and Watson in the slot. And run Ross in the slot some. A guy with that kind of speed might be a late bloomer and you get a steal for two years on a cheap contract. That would put us in pretty good shape with that one move. I would be giving them djax and a 5th if that is what it took. Or trade them brate. They need a tight end Tyler Eifert is hurt every year.
February 26th, 2019 at 2:45 pm
Just cause he plays slot doesn’t mean he is a 3/4 wr. His production shows he is more like a 2B
February 26th, 2019 at 2:46 pm
D.Smith all day, everyday…. Hump is a very good slot WR, but there are multiple options to choose from in FA/Draft…. No so much for a starting LT.
February 26th, 2019 at 2:53 pm
Doolnuts
Yoire right you do use that money on the left tackle postion IF you must choose one. Just not that LT. Sign one or draft one in the first 15 picks. Looks like they will tag smith but Im not sure its the right move. Lets hope Bruce tells him right away he isnt in the top 15, much less top 3, LTs. Then maybe he will put in effort every day and every play to improve. His attitude is gona keep him from being great, unless someone gets to him n changes it.
February 26th, 2019 at 2:54 pm
Bonsai, I’ve see you say some very stupid things in my time on this website. But these recent Pearl’s of wisdom you’ve been dropping have to be by far the stupidest.
Adam Humphries is a great success story. But his most productive season in his 4 year career is just over 800 yards and 5 touchdowns. He has not even eclipsed the 1000 yard mark 1 time. To suggest a player of this caliber is worth a multi year deal with 11 million per season is PREPOSTEROUS!
And to say a slot receiver is more important than a starting caliber left tackle who is known for being durable just goes to show that you really don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
February 26th, 2019 at 3:16 pm
@Mike: Ross is as fragile as a baby kitten.
February 26th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
Left Tackle v. Slot Receiver?
Car with brakes but no seatbelt v. Car with seatbelt but no brakes.
Love Humphries but unless he can play LT, goodbye.
And why the hell hasn’t D-Yawn been excised yet?
February 26th, 2019 at 3:18 pm
@AwShbucs…
Yup and Yup! Like I wrote above @12:51.
A guy like that (Bonzai) should only be in charge of re-arranging the ketchup bottles and salt shakers on the food court tables. 🙂 Maybe…refilling the sugar packets too, if not too overwhelming.
Go Bucs!
February 26th, 2019 at 3:30 pm
Stout,
Lol
Perfect!!!!
Ticket tearer at the regal 8 is available.
February 26th, 2019 at 3:41 pm
Donovan Smith > Adam Humphries
A competent LT is far more valuable than a competent 4th string WR. I love Hump, but LT is much more of a need than WR.
February 26th, 2019 at 3:43 pm
Draft a LT with All Pro capability. Smith has never been and never will be All Pro. You have to build a quality offensive and defensive line to compete , games are won in the trenches. Let someone else overpay for Smith.
Bucs have one of the best receiving corps in the NFL (not including the whiner jackson). Adam Humphries is a key component and also very young with an upward trajectory to his numbers. Anyone that thinks keeping Smith over Humphries is a good idea has no clue what makes up a top level team.
February 26th, 2019 at 3:48 pm
Trade meJax, sign humpty hump, don smith whatever
February 26th, 2019 at 3:52 pm
Let’s use our #5 pick in the best LT in the draft and go from there. Get a guy on a rookie contract.
Cut/trade expensive underperformers.
Sign worthy FAs- of any of the stud d-linemen shake free?
We need to allocate top $ contracts towards top talent. We should pay LeVeon Bell.
Any pro-Winston fan should want the Bucs to sign LeVeon Bell. Let’s see what Jameis does with a dynamic RB.
February 26th, 2019 at 3:57 pm
BUCSFANSINCE1976
So we should get rid of a starting caliber left tackle because he’s not an all pro, but we should keep Humphries despite him not being any where close to being an all pro either…
Not really seeing your logic here bud. Also there isn’t a surefire Oline prospect in this draft. And our receiver depth behind Humphries is a lot better off with players like Watson and Wilson there to take Humphries place.
And you could easily argue that Watson being 6’3 220 with 4.4 speed, has a much higher ceiling than Humphries.
I we could keep Hump. But based on his production, I don’t think Adam is worth a penny more than 6.5 million per season.
February 26th, 2019 at 3:57 pm
You can’t draft a Tackle with the top pick.
Everybody and their brother knows our biggest weakness on this team is our last placed defense.
The offense needs some tweaking but the defense needs players at every single position. If the defense does not improve we will have no chance to win 6 football games.
Works out nice that it’s a heavy defense class. Will be the easiest pick in Bucs history.
February 26th, 2019 at 3:59 pm
Hump of course, if you say otherwise you’re wrong.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:04 pm
Do not franchise Smith. Offer him a fair deal for an average starting LT. Don’t overpay. If it gets to pricey let him test the market.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:04 pm
It’s not even fair to have a discussion about LT vs slot WR.
You may as well just throw P into the convo.
Alls I can say is this…….If you dump Hump and his replacement blows you can just take him off the field. Throw more to TEs and RBs if you gotta.
If you dump D.Smith and his replacement blows then your entire offense will start to crumble.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:10 pm
Agree- JimmyJack- but I’m not overpaying. Overpaying means you have to go out and sign fatty 🌴 Baker and not even call Calais Campbell. Smdh- it’s a Bucs life
February 26th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
AlteredEgo Says:
February 26th, 2019 at 9:23 am
DS….love Hump’s game and attitude…but this is a no brainer…DS
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6 hours later my post appears… ?
February 26th, 2019 at 4:19 pm
@JimmyJack
Agreed. The upgrades we make to the Oline and running game this offseason need to come through free agency. And we must use each and every premium pick we have in the draft on the defense.
Right now I’m really hoping we trade down with the Jaguars to #7 and pick up both of their 3rd rounders to give them their shot at the QB they want.
Round 1 pick 7 – Devin White MLB LSU
Round 2 pick 39 from Jags – Dre’Mont Jones DT/ 34 DE OSU
Round 3 pick 69 from Jags – Jaylon Ferguson Edge Luisana Tech
Round 3 pick 70 – JoeJuan William’s CB Vanderbilt
Round 4 pick 107 Khalen Saunders DT W. Illinois
BPA for the rest of the draft.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:26 pm
Wait up I messed that up. Round 2 pick 39 is our pick already.
The other pick we’d get would be round 3 pick 94 which we could use on a linebacker like Vosean Joseph.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:34 pm
SteveK
That might be the worst take about the offseason I’ve seen yet.
With how bad the defense is you propose running off our starting left tackle to replace him with someone with the #5 overall pick? And not anyone on defense?There’s no Quenton Nelson in this year’s class, not a single O-lineman worth drafting in the top 10.
And then you propose shopping for Le’veon Bell? He costs way too much money for the Bucs to afford, he’s been out of football for a full year, he is one of the oldest starting runningbacks in the NFL, and a backup third round pick put up nearly the exact same numbers he did.
We had the #1 (BEST) passing offense in football last year, ahead of superstar Patrick Mahomes and NFC Champs Jared Goff and Co. And we were only behind those two teams in total offense.
To spend the #5 overall pick on an offensive player is an asinine move, when defense is the reason we lost so many games.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:36 pm
SteveK…..If they use the franchise tag I don’t think that’s overpaying. It will cost them 14M…….A contract is going to cost probably around 40-50M guaranteed.
Franchise tag can be a great plan because it gives us lots of options for the future……..or you can go out and sign the LT Brown of the Patriots and find out if he was just a byptoduct of that environment & Bill Bellichick dusting of that 80 year old to come out of retirement to coach the OL.
And if Brown was over hyped now you are stuck with him and 45M guaranteed. 14M aren’t even a big deal in the grand scheme. Y’all worried about nothing.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:37 pm
Donovan or Kwon is the better question. Especially when it comes to the franchise tag.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:41 pm
AwShbucs
That’s a nice mock draft, one that makes sense, though in my opinion if Quinnen Williams is still on the board when we pick we need to snatch him up, trade offers be damned.
That being said if he’s off the board when we pick I’m perfectly fine trading down with a QB hungry team. We will certainly be targets for trades right before the Giants.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:45 pm
Swagger Baker had nothing to do with Calias Campbell.
They went after a big name free agency that year and they completely botched it.
They valued weapons for Winston most of all and decided to spend all their FA money on D-Jax. Licht is the boneheaded responsible for making that decision but personally I blame half of that on Dirk.
You cannot get the top FA at every position. You gotta pick and choose. These boneheads choose a track star over a football player.
I am a proud in myself as a fan for never uttering the hashtag “Weapons for Winson”…………That whole movement sickened me.
Last year’s defense and trench play was a direct result of that stupid movement that every fan and media member begged for.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:47 pm
The. What, JimmJack?
Smith is not a franchise talent. And what do we do next year? The price of his contract would only go up.
I’d let D Smith walk if we can’t get him to sign a fair market deal. I presume his value is somewhere in the middle of the LT pack.
Hard imagine D Smith and Jensen being the highest paid at their positions/ and not the top talent.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:47 pm
You biggest problem isn’t Hump it’s getting a #2 rec
February 26th, 2019 at 4:48 pm
StoutGospel, some of us are right. The others hurl insults to try to distract from their foolishness. Pretty clear where you stand on that.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:52 pm
Jimmy jack,
Great post on weapons for Winston!
Agreed! I claymores for Calais Campbell. And Licht didn’t even reach out. Insult to injury, Calais Campbell was first team all pro his first year and remains a consistent force.
Our first two second round picks last year made me double take. I thought there were better players out there. Stewart is slow and RoJo is bad. I’d have taken Guice and Isaiah Oliver.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:53 pm
You have to tag Donovan Smith…..but you have to draft his replacement this year. Hopefully, we can trade down and get extra picks……We can go LB, OT, DE..
As far as Hump is concerned……let him test the FA market……get rid of Djax and if you have enough money after other cuts, go after him.
It is easier to replace a WR than a LT……
We don’t want the same situation with D Smith next year…..if we draft a Tackle this year, he can play RT…..then move to left….if Donovan balls out…then tag him again.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:53 pm
Thinking that Adam Humphries is worth 11 million a season when he’s never had a 1000 yard season or double digit touchdowns is what is truly foolish here Bonzai.
Saying that Adam has accomplished more than Kwon when Kwon has made the pro bowl and lead the Nfl in solo tackles in 2016? Explain to me how that isn’t foolish there smart guy?
February 26th, 2019 at 4:55 pm
Steve I’m not following. You will sign him for a fair market deal….OK……so now you are stuck with him for mutliyears.
Why do you want to be stuck with D.Smith if you don’t think he’s any good? I mean you did just say you would dump him so youust think hes bad.
I don’t understand your plan.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:57 pm
Here’s the thing. Those claiming certain players are not worth certain amounts? They are not even considering the average salaries for those starting positions.
Like it or not, to hold onto these guys, the Buccaneers have to pay at least the starting average, and probably a little more.
You can cry like babies or hurl insults like idiots, but that is the reality of the situation.
Don’t think Gerald McCoy is worth more than $7.5m? Well the average is around $10m for a starting 4-3 DT. And he is better than average. So paying him 10-13m does actually make sense.
Don’t think Kwon is worth $10m? Lavante David is an outside LB who gets $8m per year. The QB of the defense is certainly worth more. And $2m more is not a lot more.
And so far as Adam Humphries, if he wants $10m per year, give it to him. Because all of you people saying not to will be blaming the Bucs for NOT doing it next year when he earns a ring with another team.
If you do not think a slot WR is worth big money, I’m sorry, but you are wrong. The NFL now has three starting WR spots, not 2 like ten years ago. A starter is worth the money because it is as important as the #2 WR spot these days. Probably more so, since the majority of passes are to the slot these days.
In today’s NFL, the Slot WR and the Slot CB have had their importance increased to a large degree. Learn to live with it, because they are already starting to get paid like starters.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:58 pm
JommyJack-
If your keeping Smith it’s for a deal similar to Greg Robinson with Browns.
I’m not ponying up $14 million for average production that takes plays off. I’d prefer we draft and spend that $ on another FA trench player.
All I was saying is that if you are keeping Smith- it’s on a fair deal. I do like his durability.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:58 pm
Anyways Franchise Tag is a fair market deal so I don’t know what your worried about.
If you don’t believe me dump him and see what he gets paid by another team. It will be right around the 14M that Franchise Tag costs. I think there even an website that tells you the esmitated contracts that all the FAs will be getting this year.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:59 pm
And let’s not pretend OJ Howard will fill in the role. He can’t even complete a full season.
February 26th, 2019 at 4:59 pm
JimmyJack
I think for this season you have to tag Donovan for the sheer fact that he has indeed had stretches of good play in his 64 games started here. Yes he has been inconsistent. But I just don’t think outright replacing him this season as well as upgrading both RG and RT and the entire defense in one offseason just isn’t very feasible.
He was not the worst or even the 2nd worst player on our Oline last year. I’m of the opinion that he’s capable of developing into one of the better tackles in the league with the right coaching. And he’s durable.
February 26th, 2019 at 5:00 pm
Bonzai
Hump is not a 10 million player. I’m also disappointed that GMC is getting $13 this year. Our unproven QB is also making $21. Expensive contracts
February 26th, 2019 at 5:02 pm
Per Spotrac:
Adam Humphries fair market value: $10.4m per year.
Donovan Smith \ fair market value: $10.2m per year.
Kwon Alexander fair market value: $10.2m per year.
I rest my case.
February 26th, 2019 at 5:04 pm
@SteveK
Adam will get more than that on the open market. Do you doubt that?
February 26th, 2019 at 5:04 pm
SteveK. Greg Robinson isn’t even a starting LT. Hasn’t been for three years. Don’t know what his contract is that is not market value for one of the Top LTs on the market.
Why don’t you go look and see what the top 3 contracts were for LTs in free agency last year. That will be a better guage.
February 26th, 2019 at 5:07 pm
SteveK I will agree on that. We have some expensive contracts and are not getting enough production in return.
McCoy and Winston are both good examples.
February 26th, 2019 at 5:09 pm
Bonzai.
Adam Thielen is much, much better than Humphries and he’ll be earning 7,100,000 in 2019.
Adam isn’t worth anywhere close to 11 million unless someone massively over pays him. And I love how you just automatically assume whatever team he goes to is going to get a ring. Funny stuff my guy.
February 26th, 2019 at 5:11 pm
SteveK
Don’t even get me started on Isaiah Oliver. Drafting MJ Stewart or even Carlton Davis before him was a stupid move, typical of Jason Licht. But now we’re stuck with slow-ass “nickel corner” MJ Stewart and Carlton Davis. Isaiah Oliver will be a star, a true talent, Stewart and Davis will not.
Ten bucks says the Bucs cut/trade them by the time they reach their fourth season, Eli Apple style.
February 26th, 2019 at 5:15 pm
@betterbucfan
Dude we could had Kerryon Johnson too. Or Donte Jackson instead of Isiash Oliver as well.
February 26th, 2019 at 5:19 pm
AwShbucs
Donte Jackson is a great player, a miss for sure. I’m a little worried about Kerryon Johnson for durability issues but certainly better than Rojo.
February 26th, 2019 at 5:29 pm
Remember. All them guys are heading into their sophmore years. Let’s not pretend that NFL players can’t flip a switch in year 2.
February 26th, 2019 at 5:29 pm
bengals are shopping john ross. Maybe trade desean for ross???
February 26th, 2019 at 5:36 pm
We can whine and complain about past mistakes (and Licht has made many)…..but it serves little purpose and just plain simply feels bad…..
I’m hopeful that the Arians Team will provide much better guidance on a path forward.
February 26th, 2019 at 5:41 pm
@Bonzai….
Characterizing your feeble ineptitude on your judgments of player’s worth and evaluations, is not “hurling insults”…simpleton. It’s putting you, in your place, as MANY before me have, and had, done. Before I did. Characterizing your whackadoo statements (as MANY had already done), and creating analogies with the brilliantly symbolic “food court” references, ring true because those voluntarily, repeated….asinine statements you have made….
ONLY can be treated that way. Many before me.
I just cut to the chase! That’s the primary difference.
I’m all for discussion, intelligent discussion.
Go Bucs!
February 26th, 2019 at 5:46 pm
Did I just read 15mil for hump? Dude I had to put my glasses on and then almost hurt myself from laughing so hard.
February 26th, 2019 at 5:57 pm
100 plus comments on too mediocre to bad players that no other team would even consider the numbers you fools are talking about. they are heartless. Give some other a chance. hump is a 5 or 6 at best with no upside and very very little talent….
you wonder why bucs own the worst winning percentage in pro sports it’s because they sign players based on emotion, not talent or production.
February 26th, 2019 at 6:00 pm
Bonzai, it occurs me that you create the angst against yourself by walking in with your nose in the air and thinking you are better than everyone.
February 26th, 2019 at 6:05 pm
bonzi,
you truly do not believe the garbage you type do you??? this franchise has not played in a meaningful game that they had a chance to win since gruden beat the raiders…. before that it was back to john McKay… you write as if this team is the 49er dynasty and everyone wants to be here and they are winners…. check the results for the last 16 years fool…. this is a small town, minor league franchise that has never competed consistently and never freaking will….
February 26th, 2019 at 6:06 pm
A player is very simply worth whatever the market chooses to pay for him…..a player’s value is another thing altogether.
February 26th, 2019 at 6:10 pm
BetterBucFan,
Definitely agree with you on MJ Stewart not showing much. I really think Carlton Davis shows some promise though, and can get quite good.
BucEmUp7,
Yes, maybe John Ross is worth taking a shot on.
February 26th, 2019 at 6:53 pm
Bonzai,
Interesting to see Hump getting estimates $10.4 million per. We can’t have him back at that price. He’s a good little player, but not at that.
February 26th, 2019 at 6:58 pm
I would’ve had Kerryon Johnson and Isaiah Oliver over our first two sacks round picks. I liked the Davis pick at the time and still do.
February 26th, 2019 at 7:02 pm
I hope Bruce Arians makes our picks. At least go with something new.
February 26th, 2019 at 7:08 pm
Salary cap is an estimated $190 million. If Winston is 20 million that’s $170 million for the remaining starters and back ups. If divided between say 25 top players on the team the average is in the 7 million range so every time we overpay McCoy, Kwon, Smith and others for average play we reduce the amount we have to sign free agents like JPP
February 26th, 2019 at 9:23 pm
kwon is overrated. he isn’t the guy you build your defense around.
February 26th, 2019 at 10:04 pm
…a 4th string WR or a starting LT.
Gee, close call. LOL!
February 26th, 2019 at 10:47 pm
As much as I hate to agree with tmaxcon on anything, we do need to stop overvaluing Bucs players. We love guys that play their heart out like K. Alexander and Humphries, but if we take a step back we’ll realize that they really aren’t that good…
Overpaid Cam Brate by the way. Same situation. System player, not an extraordinary athlete at all.
February 26th, 2019 at 11:11 pm
Cut Jackson and sign them both. And get arians to convince smith he’s a gaurd, not a tackle. The guy just doesn’t have the footwork to compete against speed rushers on the outside. Great as a run blocker, and would get better matchups for him in pass protection on the interior.
February 26th, 2019 at 11:28 pm
DJax to the curb, Kwon needs to get real on salary also, Dotson, many others are gone–keep Hump -pay him and franchise Smith. Get new right tackle this year and get new left tackle next year(unless Smith gets better) but keep Hump
February 26th, 2019 at 11:30 pm
package djax and cam brate for john ross
February 27th, 2019 at 12:28 am
They need both.
There isn’t a free agent for much less that is better than either at their positions.
Besides if DJax is trades/released AND humphries goes- congrats, He just turned a strength on the team into a thin group