Right Now, Pipe Dream To Draft QB

November 4th, 2018

Not done (yet).

Yesterday, Joe’s Twitter timeline blew up.

If any of you listen to Joe on the internationally-popular Ira Kaufman Podcast, you would have heard Joe ask what quarterback will the Bucs draft if they throwing America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, over the side.

Yeah, after Oregon QB Justin Herbert, Joe said on that now famous pod episode, who is out there? Mind you, recent history says unless you draft a quarterback in the first round, it’s nearly a waste of time, effort and hope.

But Joe forgot about another quarterback, Will Grier of West Virginia. And the dude went crazy against Texas yesterday including leading the Mountaineers on a two-minute drill of a touchdown drive to win the game, capped by the prettiest, pinpoint pass you will ever see. Talk about dropping a pass in the bucket!

Hunting and pecking on the interwebs last night, Joe sees that NFL draft media is all over the map on Grier. The WalterFootball.com crowd, for example, claims he’s a second-round pick behind Auburn’s Jarrett Stidman (yuck), NC State quarterback Ryan Findley (meh) and Missouri’s Drew Lock (everytime Joe thinks of a Missouri quarterback, he thinks of the immortal Steve Pisarkiewicz — horror!).

Yeah, Herbert of Oregon is the best quarterback in the land, but there is no guarantee he’s coming out.

And if the Bucs were a likely landing spot, why the hell wouldn’t he stay in school?

If Joe were the agent for a top-shelf quarterback, Joe would pull an Eli Manning and refuse to have his client play for the Bucs. Why? In the past five years the Bucs have meat-grinded two franchise quarterbacks. Why come here and get chewed up and shat on, likely costing the client tens of millons of dollars?

Besides, if Grier became the top quarterback in the draft, the Bucs would have to lose out this season, and that still may not be enough losses to draft him.

So the Bucs locker room is divided on wanting career backup Ryan Fitzpatrick as the starter? Imagine how that same locker room would erupt if Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht ordered the team to tank the rest of the season?

You see why Joe has freaked out so much about wanting the Bucs to give Jameis more time?

Careful what you wish for.

100 Responses to “Right Now, Pipe Dream To Draft QB”

  1. Bucs 14 Says:

    Magoo is Byron Leftwich’s younger brother. His windup is why he is always late, AND he tries to throw too hard. That is why he always overthrows the receivers.

  2. Geno Says:

    Why come here and get chewed up and shat on, likely costing the client tens of millons of dollars?

    Because the offense is the most prolific ever for a Buc’s team and if you are better than Jameis, you will thrive.

  3. Fartman Says:

    Quit blaming the Bucs because Jameis sucks. Your idea that no QB will play here is stupid. This offense is a Cadillac, any one QB would die to drive it. Good QBs get drafted by bad teams, it’s how the system works. Mayfield held his nose and played for the Browns for God sakes, it happens every year. I don’t understand the insinuation that the Bucs have wronged Jameis some how. Jameis let down the Bucs, not the other way around. Get it right.

  4. D1 Says:

    “The Bucs would have to lose out the rest of the season”

    ……..hmmmm……..I guess the draft picks assigned to the team is non negotiable
    …..what a shame……this must have been a shock to the other wheelin dealin I’ll trade you ……..blank… for your #1 draft pic… limousine riding jet flying GM’ s You know, the creative ones, with trouble holding those alligators down…WOooooo..

  5. Mike Says:

    I live in Eugene,

    The QB is overrated and would be a long project if not an outright wasted pick

  6. Mike Says:

    Justin Herbert- not for me

  7. Joe Says:


    Oh, Bucs could trade. But geez, they have so many, many, many holes.


    You guys don’t think much of Herbert?

    (Man, if the Bucs could wait a year or two, Tua is clearly a special player and this Trevor Lawrence at Clemson looks to be the truth.)

  8. destinjohnny Says:

    tua in 20
    start planning now

  9. Mike Says:

    To me Herbert looks really raw and mistake prone to be nfl ready- makes bad throws. Doesn’t really seem to have that it factor like Winston had.

    I think it’s completely foolish to give up on Winston
    All of this bust talk is absurd to me and the national talking heads like to jump on a guy when he’s down.

    Bunch of beta males

    Keep your head up Jameis

  10. Mike Says:

    Wow that was some throw!!

  11. Defense Rules Says:

    Mark Twain once wrote “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated”. Same could be said about articles assuming Jameis’ demise … and what MIGHT follow. We’re not even halfway through the 2018 season yet & articles like this appear? For what purpose? Could probably be paraphrased as ‘Tampa: The Place Rookie QBs Go To Fail’. Or better yet, ‘Tampa Bay Buccaneers: They Eat Their Young’. Articles like this serve a quite negative purpose.

    Expecting ANY rookie QB to come in and be a savior for a mediocre team is setting him up for failure. Last I checked there is only one Savior … and Jameis ain’t Him. Admittedly I’m not a huge Jameis-supporter like some Joe, but I’m not anti-Jameis either. I sincerely want the young man to succeed …HERE. Whether he does or not is largely on Jameis himself, but it’s ALSO on ownership, management, his coaches AND the quality of the TEAM they surround him with. Any one of those 5 factors can sink Jameis (and he’s barely treading water right now probably).

    I have ZERO idea if Jameis is up to the challenge that faces him, or even IF he wants to stay here & face that challenge head-on. IF neither is the case, then we need to find that out THIS season and move on. But BEYOND Jameis, it seems quite likely that this management & coaching group ISN’T what we need to lead us back to relevance. Bucs ownership needs to be doing a lot more soul-searching than JUST looking at Jameis. Turmoil sucks … but so does consistent losing.

  12. Boogie-Nightz Says:


    Agreed sir. They should start stock piling draft capital for 2020 or 21 for either Lawrence or Tua. I didn’t like what I saw from Herbert early in that game last night. And I don’t understand why the draft “experts” are all over the about grier. Gonna try start rewatchin games this week on these QBs. About the only thing BSPN is good for.

  13. Defense Rules Says:

    @DestinJohnny … “tua in 20; start planning now.” Bama is MY team Johnny, BUT … for the Bucs to draft Tua in 2020 assumes one of two things: either we totally blow off the 2019 season (like 1-15 or something similar) OR we pay a king’s ransom to move up to be able to draft him. NEITHER of those scenarios is acceptable sitting here in 2018.

    Bucs WON (?) their #1 pick opportunity back in 2015 by LOSING (unless you of the mindset that a 2-14 record is something to brag about). We chose Jameis Winston, and here we are 4 years later ready to go a similar route yet again? Maybe you are; I’m not. Another rookie QB with a mediocre team around him will keep us right where we are. BUILD A QUALITY TEAM, then any number of QBs could lead & manage it.

  14. Stravenite Says:

    Lets see how Fitz gets on leading for the rest of this season, give
    him the same chance as JayMiss with this offence, can’t be any
    worse than our nbr.1 fail and then build defense through draft,
    Go Bucs !!!!

  15. Resurrection of Duff Says:

    Johnny football is available, right? Joe make the phone call. Help your bro out!!! Make your dream come true. lol

  16. Buc4L Says:

    QBs with talent don’t grow on trees. Jameis will get another chance to start for the Bucs, I have no doubt he will be back and shut everyone up.

  17. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Hard to keep silent.

    Another rookie quarterback will not solve this team’s issues. The offense cannot wait for his development. Keep Jameis, but if we can land an elite QB like the Saints landed Brees years ago, sign him and make Jameis the backup until he matures.

    Otherwise, stay with Jameis. Everyone is talking about his big contract. It won’t be big if he doesn’t get better, except for next year. If he does get better, he’d be worth the money.

    If Jameis stays out of trouble off the field, he’s destined to be great on the field. Getting rid of him would be kick-starting the Quarterback Curse again.

  18. Pete I Says:

    Jameis sucks on and off the field, he will never be great only mediocre. It’s in his DNA. His destiny is journeyman.

  19. Pete I Says:

    Oregon QB’s are no good similar to FSU QB’s are no good. Simply put. Who is the most accurate QB in college? Look there first.

  20. El_Buc941 Says:

    I have a feeling Joe that we stick with Jameis,sign him to another 1yr deal,the Glazer’s get rid of Dirk and bring in New coaches to try to revive Jameis’ career. He has the potential but it’s just his turn overs and depending.ball accuracy that sucks.

  21. Conte Piscatelli Says:

    I still feel like Derek Carr becomes available in draft day. Right after Gruden drafts a quarterback with the first pick.

  22. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Because Jameis is a no. 1 pick, he has managed to keep his starting job until now. All too often his turnovers are the margin of victory for our opponents.
    IF Jason Licht hadn’t bet the farm on him alone we wouldn’t be in this mess.
    A better strategy would have been similar to the Redskins when they drafted two QB’s when they picked RJ3. Question is if Jameis was a 4 th round pick, would he still be the starting QB in Tampa ?

  23. Tom Edrington Says:

    Hey, wait just a minute, the all-time FAVORITE quarterback of the Joes is none other than Johnny Manziel……remember how they were BEGGING for the Bucs to draft him……..

    Well……….Johnny’s out there, the Joes fantasy can finally come true!

  24. 1sparkybuc Says:

    Fix the OL and draft a decent RB. Plug some holes on defense and stick with Jameis. He’ll never be elite but he still gives us our best option for the near future. Fitz will retire soon and any rookie would take time to develop. Give Jameis better protection and the turnovers will go down.

  25. Bird Says:

    Obsessive joe is pretty funny. Never seen a grown man want to man handle a dudes man luggage before.

    Jameis Costs you 20 mil next year and north of 25 mil after that so he can continue to get better ? Not turn the back over after year 4. Derek Carr and Jameis were compared at one point . Derek Carr getting 5 year 125 million. Ouch ouch ouch. Why do you think Gruden is cutting every one else . Big investment for one player so he better be elite.

    Plus what qbs (free agent) wouldn’t want to throw to these weapons 6-7-8 guys deep at receiver or tight end. Guys like joe Flacco who never really had these kinda weapons. He usually had a 1 receiver. 1 tight end . Come to Tampa for a shirt time and put up huge numbers to get that last big contract . Your right obsessive joe.

    Kinda sounds like obsessive joe once again cares about 1 player . Bashes the Bucs organization (who would want to come here ) once again . Be careful what you wish for comment. How about winning. Who cares short term long term right now at this point. I mean really. The Bucs have been bad for so long again that I want a qb that gives them the best chance to win now.

    Please I beg you. Please take your hands away from that man’s junk

  26. Bird Says:

    And It is pretty funny that they seem to act like they know quartbacks . Obsessive kids other favorite quarterback. Yup Johnny football It would have been great to here the joes excuses for that one:

    He doesn’t party that much

    He didn’t hit that girl

    No defense. No running game. No coaching bad weather. Indigestion. Injuries /. Bad receiver routes/ his qb coach during suspension

  27. Grt1 Says:

    Sparkybuc you’re the only guy here that really understands the game “ fix the Oline and draft a decent rb” wow that’s an idea. The reason Koetter and Smitty got fired from Atl was because they put all their eggs in the offensive basket and neglected the defense and Oline. Look it up fellas Matt Ryan was regressing under Koetter. Then that dude Kyle S pops in and Ryan wins MVP maybe it’s not the QB maybe it’s the coaching.

  28. isrBuc Says:

    Its probably just me but I don’t know why people call themselves bucs fans are thinking about the next qb we draft (when we have a qb who’s capable for another 2-3 years and seems to excel under this offense) instead of being pissed we are not 5-2 right now aiming for first playoff appearance in 10 years. Everyone completely wipes out that FACT and accepting (what djax obviously doesnt) that this season should have been dedicated to JW auditions.
    Is there anyone in the world that sees things the way i do?

  29. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Who is rooting for Jameis to fail?
    Why would you do that?
    What benefit is his failure to your team (allegedly) that you are a fan?

    Sure, he has had problems…..the benching of Jameis was for two reasons…

    1. Perhaps Fitz gives us a better chance to win right now.
    2. Perhaps this will help Jameis to correct his mistakes.

    I doubt very seriously that the Bucs have totally given up on Jameis….nor should we. I am extremely disappointed in his play and off-field behavior….but I will support his turnaround if that is possible.

  30. passthebuc Says:

    the argument is stupid. you draft first for D. then complete your O line. Then RB and last QB. A rookie QB can only succeed if, he has the OL to give him time to learn. You need the D so the rookie can make mistakes and knows the D will keep him in the game. you need the RB to take pressure off the QB. Right now, we have very little in the way of any of the above, albeit we have the best receiving corp in the game. And Joe, the Glazers are not going to pay JW 20 million next year. Odds on the will not get higher than a 3rd round pick in return.

  31. Bucs Guy Says:

    Hey Bucs fans, what do you think about QB Brett Rypien in 2019 draft?

  32. Bucs Guy Says:

    He seems pretty accurate in the games I’ve seen and can throw the deep ball also. Let him sit for a year while extending Fitz and releasing Jameis.

  33. isrBuc Says:

    3. perhaps fitz is a better qb. enough with this washed up phrase “better chance to win”. what does it really mean other than “the better player”??

  34. Dan Says:

    When you have a bad GM a lousy coach and a loosing quarterback these are the tough situations you get into. Strictly on the organization who can’t seem to run a semi respectable quality team in over a decade.

  35. TDTB Says:

    Drew Louck in 3rd or later is a wise move.

  36. OneBuc55 Says:

    The reports of Jameis Winston’s demise has been greatly exaggerated… the season got off to a bad start for him but it’s not like there aren’t other issues with this team…

    This Tampa Bay Market eats young quarterbacks for lunch; the fanbase has a tendency to run quarterbacks off before they seem to reach their full potential…

    Imho, I feel we need to take little off the young mans plate… asking a young quarterback to throw 50 times per game is not the recipe for success…if we can find a way to give him better protection and balance the offense a little bit, and get his pass attempts down to about 30 to 35 times per game, I believe he can be successful here… ironically Matt Ryan also had Red Zone issues under Mike Smith and Dirk Koetter…

    Personally I’d like to see us bring in a defensive-minded head coach that understands the importance of a running game and a dominating defense… with all of that being said we still have eight more games left in this season so lets sit back and see how things play out…

  37. Kobe Faker Says:

    Jason gump going to draft another pac 12 player? LOL

  38. Buc believer Says:

    @Destin Johnny… I thought that Pacific Islanders couldn’t handle the heat of Florida?? See Vea…. either that or the dude has been hanging at GMCs house.

  39. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    Just get rid of Jameis

    Any QB in the Bucs offense will shine cause of all the weapons

  40. AlteredEgo Says:

    It would be GROSSLY irresponsible NOT to draft a QB in the 1st round in 2019 !

  41. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    @ OneBuc55

    You obviously are another Jameis sympathetic apologist………………………..

    OBVIOUSLY……. Almost four years of his turnover prone azz has not shown you anything

    I bet you also think Blake Bortles is still a Franchise QB too?????


    …… You’re just trying to Stir the pot

  42. AlteredEgo Says:

    We can sign a 1st round QB for 5 year rookie deal for not much more than Jamyth’s 5th…it’s a no brainier…Fitz is old and Griffin …if he could have …he would have….

  43. Jmarkbuc Says:


    Spot on…

    If the Glazers are smart(?). They blow this whole thing up and do just what you said. The Bucs have so many needs, QB can wait. JW has worn out his welcome and doesn’t deserve big money.

    So find a cough, cough, journeyman QB until the rest of this team is rebuilt. It’s no where near win now ready.

  44. Bird Says:

    Just saying again.

    I understand he is young. I understand he is working things out. Here is the problem He should be in prime regardless of age.

    Next years salary is 20 plus mil
    The year after that is 25 plus mil (with franchise tender or contract )

    You want to invest that kinda money in someone who can’t seem to not make mistakes. Who is consistently inconsistent

    That money should be reserved for proven qbs.

    You think the raiders like their situation with Derek Carr and his 25 mil per. 125 total contract. Give that to Jameis cause he was selected 1st overall

  45. OneBuc55 Says:

    To your response Bucs anthem…

    If the Jags and Bucs switched quarterbacks I believe the Jags would be winning…the Bucs however would still suck…

  46. Erik w/ Clean Athletics Says:

    If Fitz plays well, Jameis is done here.

    Simple as that!

  47. Ndog Says:

    I live all these idiots calling Jameis names like a bunch of high school punks. That’s cool but make sure you are still calling him those names when he’s destroying the league with a real team and coaching staff. You want Will Grier, didn’t he flame out at Florida already? Also I like cause how Jameis played a HORRIBLE game everyone acts like that’s who he has been all along. You people are so weak, nice try in rewriting history.

  48. Hawk Says:

    @ Bob in Valrico
    “Question is if Jameis was a 4 th round pick, would he still be the starting QB in Tampa ?”
    Absolutely right! You don’t have to go back very far (even in Buc history) to find a QB drafted after the 1st round, and how long he was given.

    @ OneBuc55
    ” asking a young quarterback to throw 50 times per game is not the recipe for success”
    Absolutely right! But if he was scoring points (for the Bucs), they wouldn’t need him to throw so many times.

  49. ben Says:

    hasn’t Winston played in enough games to NOT prove himself?

  50. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I am wishing Jameis well…but I do have to admit that a draft pick and $20 mil freed up for 4 FAs…….RB, OG, CB, OT…..

    We can use some help……

    We could make due with Fitz and Griffin for 3 or 4 years….

    I’d prefer not but the other route could work.

  51. Jim Says:

    Ndog, you call people names with EVERY POST…

  52. Gobucs Says:

    Lmao NDOG all mad cause his boy riding that pine lol.

    Deal with it crybaby. Your boys days are over in Tampa.

  53. Not there yet Says:

    Damn there are some dumb fake bucs fans on this site. Looking at another rookie quarterback as the answer. Your any quarterback theory will be put to the test. There’s no rookie drafted this that would have made us better they all look just ok. It’s stupid to think Fitz is taking this team to the postseason because it’s never happened he’s never done it before and if he ain’t gonna get the wins what’s the freaking point.

    And stop calling this the number one offense based of a single stat it sounds really stupid. Total yards say nothing about the team except they throw more than any other team. Unbelievable lol draft one next year or wait 2 years to draft one lol yea because meanwhile these same receivers will still be young and elite? Stupid stupid. We can wait that long to get a rookie but Winston has to go because you prefer to lose with Fitz

  54. Bird Says:


    Classic how you celebrated and were making jokes when fitz struggled in Chicago.

    Can’t be a hypocrite man. Keep calling people idiots too. You make no sense.
    That’s fine that you want to pay someone 20-25 mil plus who is not even considered a top 15 …top 20 quarterback.

  55. SchwiftyBuc Says:

    I don’t think we will draft a QB high next year. But that depends entirely on who is hired to replace Jason Lichts front office and Dirk Koetters coaching staff.

    What I don’t think is a pipe dream, is that we could potentially be in the position to draft a QB. I don’t think its this least bit crazy to think that this team is capable of going 3-13 or 4-12 or 5-11. The defense is still on pace to be one of the worst in league history. And I don’t have any real confidence in the coaching of this team.

    Dont think we have any shot of winning today.

  56. Jeagan1999 Says:

    I would draft Grier! He’s a 70% passer this season with a 4-1 TD/INT ratio! He’s like a young Fitz!

    You’re not going to be in a position to draft a good young QB very often, so when one comes along, you better snap him up! Herbert is also a good young QB, but I have a feeling he will get drafted by the Giants, as they replace Eli.

  57. Bob in Valrico Says:

    For some , jameis play has put the focus on the coaching staff.
    Decisions and turnovers have to be an issue discussed with a our fourth year QB by the coaches. The question I have is why isn’t he responding to proven concepts that give the team the best chance to win.
    But the coaching staff lacks the ability to make good decisions and limit turnovers. That responsibility rests solely on Jameis . He has to stop being selfish
    and give his team the best chance to win. with better, smarter play if he is given another chance.

  58. Oneilbucs Says:

    Ndog it’s not about Jamies play on the field they know every quarterback has a bad game . Look at Andrew Luck he has had more games like this than Winston did his first 4 years . He just keep getting passes for his on the field Jamies will never get a pass even when he put them in the position to win it will always be his fault if they lose . Look at fizpatrick when we played the Steelers. He threw 3 ints in 1 quarter we lost but they still didn’t blame him for the lost . But Winston throw a int in the first half in if we lose it is all his fault cause of 1 turnover in the first half of the game. The national media will blame Jamies for it to . That’s why the black quarterback can’t have games like this. But white quarterback can and they will say he’s 24 years old give him time that’s the difference now go a head and day race card cause that’s the way how they hide the truth. If we lose today these sorry fans will still rather fizpatrick then Jamies.

  59. Ndog Says:

    Gobucs Says:
    November 4th, 2018 at 8:36 am
    Lmao NDOG all mad cause his boy riding that pine lol.

    Deal with it crybaby. Your boys days are over in Tampa

    Go ahead smart keep celebrating the fact that this franchise is screwed, yeah that makes a ton of sense. Ask yourself is there any chance this team wins the super bowl with Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB? And for the last time he’s not “my boy” he was the number 1 pick in the draft and a QB on top of that. Don’t you know what that means in terms of having to recover from that? Of course you don’t and for the poster saying I call people names, no sir I state facts like people are idiots, that is not a made up name that is a classification and most fit unfortunately. If this franchise quits on Jameis then we will all regret it greatly in the coming years. Who on here says he doesn’t work hard, who says he’s not dedicated to his teammates and craft, who on here can say he has not put up historical numbers in his first 3 years. Oh I know, no one cause if they went against that they would be lying. But yeah let’s throw that away for Ryan Fitzpatrick and maybe a 8-8 season. That makes a ton of sense cause we all know that QBs are always a finished product at 24 years old right, RIGHT?

  60. Jeagan1999 Says:

    Just read that Grier is also married to a former Bucs cheerleader! Hmmmmm.

  61. I'm a Tandyman Bucs Fan Says:

    Everybody keeps saying Jameis will get another chance and will show everybody. Hasn’t he already had his chance to show everybody like about 3 times and it hasn’t happened? Why you think it’s going to happen this time? Why don’t you guys accept the fact that he is not the answer in Tampa and move on!!!! He lost me when he lied to everyone including Coaches and Teammates about the Uber Ride!!!!

  62. Oneilbucs Says:

    Ndog it’s not about Jamies play on the field they know every quarterback has a bad game . Look at Andrew Luck he has had more games like this than Winston did his first 4 years . He just keep getting passes for his on the field Jamies will never get a pass even when he put them in the position to win it will always be his fault if they lose . Look at fizpatrick when we played the Steelers. He threw 3 ints in 1 quarter we lost but they still didn’t blame him for the lost . But Winston throw a int in the first half in if we lose it is all his fault cause of 1 turnover in the first half of the game. The national media will blame Jamies for it to . That’s why the black quarterback can’t have games like this. But white quarterback can and they will say he’s 24 years old give him time that’s the difference now go a head and say race card cause that’s the way how they hide the truth. If we lose today these sorry fans will still rather fizpatrick then Jamies.

  63. HeavyE Says:

    No excuses, for the lost today, you got what you wanted and you are surely, going to get what you deserve…….LMAO!!!

  64. BigPoppaBuc Says:

    Will Grier is for real…. If he were still at UF the Gators would be playoff contenders. Dude is a competitor and highly accurate. Can’t believe we’re talking about drafting a QB again. Only my Bucs.

  65. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    Grier will be snatched up in the top 10 of the first round of the draft by team other than the bucs…. Maybe Jags

    YOU HEARD IT HERE First!!!!!

  66. Ndog Says:

    Bird Says:
    November 4th, 2018 at 8:48 am

    Classic how you celebrated and were making jokes when fitz struggled in Chicago.

    Can’t be a hypocrite man. Keep calling people idiots too. You make no sense.
    That’s fine that you want to pay someone 20-25 mil plus who is not even considered a top 15 …top 20 quarterback

    First of all I don’t remember doing that as it meant the Bucs lost which I never celebrate but I did probably point out that obvious and it’s because he’s shown that type of performance his whole carrer when pressured and people are acting like he is some hall of famer. It’s clear get pressure up the middle on him and he will shy away turn his shoulders as he throws and just tosses it up. He’s done it his whole career and did it against Pittsburgh and did it against Chicago. This is what I am telling people yes he has great touch, great deep ball and pretty good placement BUT he falls apart with people in his face consistantly and his arm cannot drive the ball into tight windows with any regularly. Those are things you can’t teach but you can teach, not this crappy staff, patience, taking what they give you and all people mature. This Fitz thing is a waste of all of our time and just a feeble attempt for a crappy coach to save his job cause he didn’t do his real job and develop our only real long term option at QB. News flash he’s getting fired anyway for his horrible handling of the defense, running game, kick returner, etc…

  67. Easy Says:

    I posted about Will Grier yesterday and it turned on your lightbulb to watch the guy. 😂😂

  68. Ndog Says:

    So you guys want to run Jameis outta here but instead prefer a guy that got suspended in college for performance enhancing drugs? You can’t make up this stuff with you guys, unbelievable. But let me guess since he went to Florida that’s all ok right? Hypocritical much?

  69. Ndog Says:

    And BTW he threw 3 picks against Kansas this year, yes I said KANSAS! Again hypocritical much?

  70. WalkdaPlank Says:


    Don’t worry, no hypocrisy here.

    I think they both suck!

  71. Buc1987 Says:

    Bird….20 million ain’t shyte in today’s NFL…

    The Bears gave MIKE GLENNON 18 million for one season…

  72. Gambelero Says:

    There’s the “sitting on the bench for a few games may help Jameis” meme. And there’s the “our oline will get Fitz killed” meme.

    Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden, Manuel, Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Winston, Mariota, Goff, Wentz, Lynch, Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson. How many of these guys lol like franchise QBs. Pre-Winston/Mariota, three still start. Several others still battle for backup spots, but always seem to get cut. Only one guy, Luck, looks like he still has a chance to be that guy. And he hasn’t had a franchise QB career through six years, not even close. A couple later drafted QBs, Prescott and Carr, had one really good year, correlated very highly with tremendous oline play, but now look like total busts.

    The books still out, but of the ten since then, Mahomes, Watson, Goff and Wentz look like the real deal, but many, many QBs have had one great year, then fallen off dramatically. Those guys also have new-era savants coaching them. The point is that even if we get or sacrifice our other needs to trade up to draft our guy, there’s a strong chance of a miss, and if we do get him, will a coaching savant come to Tampa on the pure if-come to coach him? Will we put together an alpha dog pound oline to block for him (like the Rams did when they went out and got an all-pro left tackle for Goff)?

  73. Jmarkbuc Says:


    You’ll post oneill’s Crap TWICE, but my post stands for two minutes then you pull it?

    You’re a strange Joe, Joe……

  74. Buc1987 Says:

    Jmark…they’ve got some screener (I think) with a an itchy trigger finger and many of us regs are already blacklisted and all of our posts get filtered, no matter the words. THEY decide what THEY want posted in the comments. New JBF format?

    Hope it works for ya guys…

  75. SB Says:

    If Will Grier were still at UF they would be in National Title contention.

  76. J Says:

    Tua 2020

  77. uckinator Says:

    Agree with many posts above. The Bucs need more of an upgrade in talent than another rookie QB. Once you’ve fixed the leaks, then go out and get your QB. And it doesn’t have to come in the draft. With these receivers, most pros should be able to thrive. My recommendation: Suck it up and pay Winston his 20 million, draft offensive and defensive line help. Also improve the secondary. Wouldn’t draft another early round RB. An improved OL should fix that. No holes being manufactured currently.

  78. VFL98 Says:

    Uckinator is dead on! You have to suck it up and pay Winston and get some help on defense. All these Fans who want to get rid of him are probably transplants and like some other team like NE,Pitt,etc…. Winston has issues but those can be corrected with the right coaching.

  79. VFL98 Says:

    Tua is good, but his team and talent around him make him much better. Everytime he gets hit he gets hurt. so I am curious to see how he does on a tough game. To early to say he is going to be NFL start yet.

  80. orlbucfan Says:

    Amen, BBonzai. Bunch of yahoos on here pretending to be “educated” Bucs fans. We don’t need another QB. We need defensive players. The placekicker curse has to be lifted. Cripes!!

  81. SchwiftyBuc Says:

    If Jameis suits up today. I think we’ll resign him after this season for 5 years 80 million guaranteed.

    I honestly think we just need to end the flipping curse of never signing a drafted QB to a second contract. It will take a tremendous amount of pressure off of Jameis. And I think we need to give him another chance with a much better Head Coach and offensive system.

    Hire John DeFilippo to be our HC next season, draft the best available O/D-line player be it a stud RG/RT or DE/DT/OLB Edge rusher in the first. Draft best available RB/corner/Safety in round 2 and so on.

    Then we may be able to parlay DeFillippos Eagles connection to snag away Jim Schwarts to lead our defense. At that point I think we would be capable of being legit contenders. With Jameis as our starter.

  82. TheBucsAnthem Says:


    Look at all these JAMEIS sympathizers and apologists……………….defending him

    Yeah……….let’s blame everything and everyone except the player and his performance in almost 4 years after being drafted.

    YOU GUYS ARE ALL DELUSIONAL………like the far left and Liberals

  83. SteveK Says:

    Koetter’s scheme and offense are good.

    Winston is a bust, and his suspension was self-inflicted and his poor play is on him.

    How can Fitzpatrick execute so much better in the same offense, against harder opponents?

    Why does Jameis, the #1 overall pick continue to struggle?

    Why does “obsessive Joe” aka ScuttleBuccsJoe continue to sell out Bucs fandom in favor of one player-a bust?

    Where are the ScittleBuccs? Did they fold the tent when Jameis cooked his own goose?

    Go bucs! Go Bucs! Go Bucs!

  84. ATrain Says:

    Draft OLine heavy or look at free agents in off season

    Need safety help and a CB to two

    Let Jamies sit the bench practice and get humbled

    Pick up 5th year cost 20 million ok that’what we would pay for a QB let’s see what happens

    Bucs have to build it doesn’t happen in a season
    We have some great players look at Offense
    Fix some spots and we are on the way

  85. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Winston is active today

    Alex Cappa is not which is strange

  86. SteveK Says:

    As it stands, Jameis ain’t getting an extension, sorry sympathizers/FSU Homer’s/ no reality having ppl!

  87. stpetebucsfan Says:

    I totally understand Joe’s point about NFL QB’s coming from the first round…and statistically that’s literally true.

    Here is a list from Reddit that is a year old, a bit out of date, but still illustrates the point.

    Every starting quarterback’s draft position

    1st Round: Goff (1), Winston (1), Luck (1), Manning (1), Bradford (1), Stafford (1), Palmer (1), Newton (1), Smith (1), Trubisky (2), Mariota (2), Wentz (2), Bortles (3), Ryan (3), Rivers (4), Roethlisberger (11), Cutler (11), Watson (12), Flacco (18), Rodgers (24)

    2nd Round: Brees (32), Dalton (35), Carr (36)

    3rd Round: Wilson (75), McCown (81)

    4th Round: Cousins (102), Prescott (135)

    5th Round: Hogan (162)

    6th Round: Taylor (180), Brady (199)

    7th Round: Siemian (250)

    So just looking at the numbers you can see Joe’s point…but on the other hand I think he’s being a bit absolute.

    So 62% of the starting QBs…starting btw is not the same as successful…you can do you own decisions on which of these first rounders are not really all that…but even if all 62% were great that still 40% who DID NOT come from the first round.

    You simply do not have to waste a first rounder on a QB and there are NO sure things in the NFL draft…50-50…and the 2015 draft had TWO QB’s touted as can’t miss and perhaps future HOFers and now questions abound on both JW and MM.

    My point is a first round pick is not a guarantee and a 40% chance later in the draft is not the end of the world.

    At least two of the starters drafted in the first round are not playing for the team that drafted them. There is more than one way to finally land a QB and we shouldn’t limit ourselves to ONE method…picking high in the first round.

    But if Joe’s point is that we shouldn’t tank for ANY freaking player in this or any draft I couldn’t agree more.

    I hate losing and I certainly do not wish to tank for a 50-50 chance at ANY position.

    BTW we tanked in 2015…how is that working out for us?

  88. Cobraboy Says:

    No, the Bucs have NOT put a couple of “franchise QB’s” through the “meat grinder.”

    I don’t know the first this Joe refers to, but Winston has put hisownself through the “meat grinder” with poor play, off-field behavior and chronic immaturity.

  89. Cobraboy Says:

    @WalkdaPlank: Cappa is not active, but Liedke is.

  90. gp Says:

    The formula is simple, it’s the ingredients that are hard to come by.
    It starts in the trenches with beastly offensive and defensive lines.
    Add to that a running game, should be easy with that beastly line.
    Mix in a secondary that can support that beastly defensive line and give them time to pressure the quarterback.
    With a few targets that can run accurate routes, catch, and make adjustments to the ball…(watch Jackson’s effort adjusting today-as opposed to the effort he gave Winston)
    Even a “journeyman” quarterback can look efficient and sometimes elite.
    Of course, the offensive and defensive coaching schemes need to be both aggressive and flexible to each game situation.
    Just look at how many of you call a sixth round pick destined to be a career back-up the “GOAT”(excellent game manager and more athletic than I could ever have even hoped for but… he was luuuuucky to have landed where he did!!!)

    Winston has NOT had ALL the supporting staff that ANY quarterback needs to succeed.
    Can he be elite? He has the raw talent.
    Will he be elite? If he has the support of a decently built team and coaching… the potential is there.

    OH!!! One other very KEY ingredient
    That entire team has to be one the same page with the desire to win and the PRIDE of ownership in their level of play

    Sorry to say, there has only been one brief period where the Buc’s showed that key ingredient and it ain’t now!

  91. SteveK Says:

    QBs drafted #1 overall we expected to be difference makers, that lift up the play of those around them and to cover deficiencies on the team.

    Winston has clearly played like the weakest link. No excuses.

  92. TheNorm Says:

    Lmao play the race card when that’s all you have left.

    Lmao soooo predictable.

    When all else fails pull that card lol.

  93. Oneilbucs Says:

    I know you call it the race card but it’s call facts.

  94. Colonel Angus Says:

    Joe, you are sounding like a jaded ex-girlfriend. Why would anybody come here?
    Because its their dream to play professional football. Relax man, have faith, Winston may still get a shot to win back the starting position. Then it will be up to him to earn the right to keep it. If he doesn’t get that chance again, hopefully that means the Bucs are winning games, which is all I give a damn about. And about the future? The future is now, I’m tired of losing. Have we all forgot the immortal words of Apollo Creed? “There is no tomorrow’!

  95. Ripcurl57 Says:

    If you say it’s not the race card..its the race card..pathetic.move on from ur mancrush..

  96. SteveK Says:


    I’m playing the stats and facts game:
    TD:Turnover Ratio.

    Fitz is superior. You are blind and incapable of seeing blatant truths.

  97. Oneilbucs Says:

    Well I told every one that Jamies was not the problem defense was . Fizpatrick plays well when a defense plays soft cause of a lead . Jamies might as well started this game . When they take the bomb away from fizpatrick he is done .

  98. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Draft QB Ryan Finley 2019!

  99. T REX Says:

    Winston sucks. Koetter sucks. Licht sucks. And the glazers are trash.

    Burn it down.

  100. Tvan1011 Says:

    T Rex I am with you anyone who thinks winston is still the answer should pull their head out of their ass. Guy has been in the same system for 4 years and has gotten markedly worse. Stop rooting for the guy and this joe that is too blind to see is the worst of the bunch. Fire them all and clean house, gmc, winston, kotter, licht, assistant coaches, DeSean, lavontae, kwon, burn all the soft losers to the ground through trade or walking papers. This team sucks!