Did Competition Crumble Jameis?
October 29th, 2018
NFL coaches love to say competition is desired at every position because it’s what elevates players’ games.
Well, America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, got his first taste of competition in many, many years and has fallen on his face.
The seasoned and competitive force of Ryan Fitzpatrick was supposed to, in theory, make Jameis better. Not only was Jameis to learn from Fitzpatrick, in theory, Jameis was going to be elevated and inspired by the record-breaking success of Fitzpatrick earlier this season.
Also, Jameis had a chance to watch Fitzpatrick look awful against the Steelers in the second quarter of that Week 3 game and then clear his head at halftime and bounce back to ball out.
But it appears the competitive presence of Fitzpatrick actually took down Jameis. It’s as good of a guess as any to explain the rapid fall of Jameis.
Joe is still stunned by Jameis throwing 10 picks in his last 13 quarters. That’s damn hard to do and it’s no coincidence.
The only thing that could fix 49-game veteran Jameis is more playing time combined with fresh coaching and perhaps a sports psychologist. But ironically, competition, a factor that was supposed to make Jameis better, is probably going to keep Jameis on the bench.
October 29th, 2018 at 9:37 am
America’s Quarterback? South America maybe…
October 29th, 2018 at 9:38 am
Joe(s) you hit the nail on the head. JW needs a sports psychologist AND a real Head Coach. Even so, he’ll have to acquire those two things elsewhere and not in Tampa bay.
October 29th, 2018 at 9:40 am
Jameis crumbled Jameis……..simple as that…
October 29th, 2018 at 9:41 am
More excuses for a horrible QB…Unreal! Do you guys watch much football? He’s King F*ckup! LOL. Did you even read what’s written here? –Joe Most of those numbers you back him up with are garbage time crap after he’s had another slow start and the Bucs fall behind. It’s his thing…Fall behind and then sling it all over the place with a soft coverage cause the other teams ahead…
October 29th, 2018 at 9:43 am
Jamyth….never was anything more than wishful thinking supported my ranting slupers (Stat Carriers)…
October 29th, 2018 at 9:43 am
He’s been careless with the ball his entire pro career,joe. Not sure why you’re so stunned.
October 29th, 2018 at 9:44 am
It’s Jameis’ fault and no one else’s if he can’t outplay or learn from a journeyman quarterback.
October 29th, 2018 at 9:45 am
So.. the list builds.. the suspension screwed him. Then it was the coach he used during the suspension. Now its competition. All of this is a consequence of Jameis’s actions and none of it makes you think he’s a franchise QB.
October 29th, 2018 at 9:45 am
It doesnt seem to me to be part of jameis makeup to falter at competition, jameis was a higly recruited hs football player and chose FSU and was not handed the job at FSU, do not know nor care about FSU history, but jimbo is a pretty fiery guy that would not hand the reigns to someone that did not give him best chance to win…..its just horrible scouting by licht and lovie, jameis was what he was at FSU and mariotta was a system qb, licht should have traded down with chip kelly for a boatload of picks sucked it up one more year and got a legit qb in 2016 but licht grabbed VH3 and teh bucs are terrible
October 29th, 2018 at 9:49 am
“It’s as good of a guess as any to explain the rapid fall of Jameis.”
Naw. It really isn’t. This has always been JW’s team. Since his freshman year at FSU he’s been a turnover machine. He’s living off of one good college season. Lots of turnovers. It’s just who he is…time to move on.
October 29th, 2018 at 9:50 am
Heinous wINsTon has himself to blame. Go Fitz!!!
October 29th, 2018 at 9:50 am
I would like for once to see someone get in Winston’s face. Just one time.
October 29th, 2018 at 9:51 am
Jay-Miss should have been regularly visiting with a sports psychologist this entire time.
As for fresh coaching….I thought Lovie Smith was fired because the team needed fresh coaching and that Dirk Koetter was a quarterback whisperer.
The thing is, Matt Ryan flourished with Dirk Koetter. The year Dirk was hired by the Falcons, Ryan’s completion percentage went up along with TD throws, yards, yards per game, ect…
Don’t look now but Josh Freeman had a better record than Jameis Winston after 48 starts.
October 29th, 2018 at 9:52 am
jameis, CRABMAN, winston lacks character
always have, those who are not as blinded have seen it for a LONG time.
he now has the opportunity to either hit bottom and grow or go completely josh freeman and end up in the CFL at best
hope for the best, plan for the worst.
HAPPY TO HAVE THE TEAM BACK THOUGH!!!!
October 29th, 2018 at 9:53 am
“Presently what JW3 has become. what happeneded? overcome by Hero-ball-itis condition plus trying to outdo Fitz when he gets back in plus George Whitfield talking nonesense to his ears for 3 weeks….
We have the present day Jameis Winston…
Man without a country”
Kobe Faker
October 29th, 2018 at 9:54 am
Jameis first career pass was a pick 6
He threw 4 INT and another pick 6 in his 4th career game
This is what crumbled Jameis
_Getting a free pass every year
_Not being held accountable for his play
_Blaming other for losses
October 29th, 2018 at 9:56 am
You are making this too complicated. He stinks.
October 29th, 2018 at 9:57 am
This is turning out to be Josh Freeman II. Huge payday then loses interest. Only way an NFL QB can throw for 4 extremely ugly int’s that a college QB wouldn’t even throw.
October 29th, 2018 at 9:59 am
3) Drew Lock – Missouri
Kentucky at Missouri, 3:00 p.m.
154-of-252 passing (61.8 percent) for 1,979 yards with 16 TD, 6 INT.
Lock has a plus-NFL arm, but could use some refinement when it comes to his accuracy and ball-placement. still, Lock’s combination of size, athleticism, and arm-strength are going to cause him to get pushed up draft boards this spring largely because he has the talent and upside to start immediately, even with his flaws.
2) Ryan Finley – N.C. State
Saturday Game: N.C. State at Syracuse, 7:00 p.m.
2018 Stats: 151-of-221 passing (68.3 percent) for 1,777 yards with 10 TD, 5 INTs.
Finley’s anticipation on his throws, and quickly get to his check downs if the defense takes away the deep-threat early in the down will make him a coveted prospect, and in the argument for the first chosen at the position. When all else fails, Finley has the ability to tuck the ball and make a play with his legs, as well. Finley has a chance to show off his skill-set than Saturday’s tough matchup against Syracuse.
1) Justin Herbert – Oregon
Saturday game: Oregon at Arizona, 10:30 p.m.
2018 Stats: 131-of-212 passing (61.8 percent), 18 TD, 5 INT
Herbert has prototypical NFL size, mobility, arm-strength, and quick-decision making that gives him the chance to start right away. While at times, Herbert looks like a far more raw prospect than those of last year’s draft class, his athleticism is going to help him separate himself from the rest of the passers in this year’s class.
October 29th, 2018 at 9:59 am
Problem is his team mates put the writing on the wall for us all to see, but everyone wanted Jameis to be the QB of the future including myself. We should have been paying attention all along instead of blinded by hope and faith.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:00 am
So now Ryan Fitzpatrick is to blame? Unbelievable. Can the Joe’s just call a spade a spade for once? Where exactly did Joe blame Fitzpatrick? Allow Joe to answer. Nowhere! –Joe
October 29th, 2018 at 10:00 am
So, it’s a rebuild for sure with a former “franchise” QB:
1. Trade Winston for anything!
2. McCoy makes no difference on the D = Trade!
3. Djax is a major weapon. If he wants to be here, he’s a keeper. If not, trade now for a high pick. His speed is worth plenty!
3 chances to improve the team within the next 24 hours. Hope Licht’s phone is ringing off the hook!
October 29th, 2018 at 10:00 am
Bucnjim
That should have been 7 picks,possibly 8.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:02 am
Man how many excuses can jameis get from you. Where exactly do you see an excuse in a discussion of Jameis crumbling in the face of competition? –Joe He hasn’t got better from the first game he has played here. Yesterday will happen again he will throw 4 picks again for another team. They dropped two more easy interceptions. I am pissed now that we should be 5-2 if we don’t pull Fitz for jameis. Lost by 4 to falcons jameis two int in red zone. And yesterday speaks for itself. That’s just who jameis is. It has been the same three interceptions for all 50something he has. Over throw the receiver by 4 feet easy pic. Then the linebacker sitting underneath that he never sees. And then the dreaded stare down a guy on a out rout and watch the defensive back break on the ball for a curtain call. He is and always has been overrated. I have stood up and stood up for him as well as my three friends I watch the games with. And we all gave up on him yesterday. And I feel the rest of the bucs community feels the same. Even the hardcore FSU fans and think jameis can do no wrong can see that Fitzpatrick makes this offense elite. While jameis makes it obsolete
October 29th, 2018 at 10:03 am
Joe Blahak
You forgot- sign a new kicker. There’s somebody out there who can consistently split the uprights.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:03 am
If competition crumbled wINsTon, he’s a mental midget.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:07 am
That #WeaponsForJameis# campaign was the dumbest thing I ever seen in football.
You build a football team with depth at EVERY position
Not stockpiling weapons at 2 positions
To make your QB look good
October 29th, 2018 at 10:07 am
The one thing that would make JW a good QB is the one thing he’s missing. That is discipline, and patience. Make that two things.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:07 am
JW will be fine He had a awful game. He will be fine
October 29th, 2018 at 10:09 am
Hand the keys to the season to Fitz. If he’s injured, rollwith Griff.
No more looming QB change talk on the shoulder of Fitz. 9 games to get it done. Can’t be any worse.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:09 am
Winston self destructed from self inflicted poor decisions, on and off the field.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:10 am
This team was built to accumulate a lot of offensive passing yards
And that’s it
October 29th, 2018 at 10:11 am
My guess is that had Winston been with Andy Reid for three years, we would have seen a different pro. Maybe or maybe not a different person off the field. But a QB with better anticipation, vision, footwork and mechanics, for sure.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:11 am
Dude, stop it already !!! Calling him ‘America’s Quarterback’ just makes it all more painful. I’m sure that even the Joes would agree. He has not earned the title in no shape or form. Go ‘Bucs !!!
October 29th, 2018 at 10:12 am
If they continue to play Jameis and he get hurt. His 5th year option becomes guaranteed.
$21 million for next season
October 29th, 2018 at 10:12 am
@Lamarcus….remember the movie Groundhog Day?
Jameis is the football version. Same thing over and over for 4 years…Seen enough.. The 4 year development stage is a joke. He will always be what you see now!
October 29th, 2018 at 10:12 am
Can’t wait for the morning cup of Joe.
Might even tune in to Bucs uncensored to see if the records get spun to circumvent (the truth) blame from Blameis.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:13 am
No Lamarcus. He won’t be fine.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:15 am
Lakeland
We did have over 100 rushing yards on the day. Not to mention the runs that were called back due to penalty. Barber had almost 90 on his own.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:15 am
I just wish we could trade Winston for a halfway decent kicker. Or even trade him for the special teams player that holds his finger on the top of the ball on the kicking tee when the wind keeps blowing it off. I don’t care. #walkawayfromwinston.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:18 am
$100 says D Jackson doesn’t want a trade if Fitz is QB. Who wants some of that action?
October 29th, 2018 at 10:18 am
That’s a suckers bet
October 29th, 2018 at 10:21 am
Some people still believe in Jameis and want him to remain in Tampa…………with the Ray’s. 😜
October 29th, 2018 at 10:22 am
There was never any competition, the team was his. He blew it. The stats he has are a result of the talent on offense and the offense itself. Clearly this offense is putting together good game plans and has the talent that almost anyone can be successful. Koetter is not to blame here. If anything, he has followed the directives of the Glazers and Licht to make Jameis a franchise quarterback, however, Jameis shows he is not that. At this point, I think the Glazers should back Koetter – extend him and let him coach. If Jameis starts next week, Koetter is not calling the shots. Koetter has put this team in position to succeed, but the lack of talent on defense and a consistent kicker are killing him. Licht should be fired and Koetter should be extended and given a little more control.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:23 am
Joe, you seem like a decent person. You certainly do a great job with your Buc’s insight and such…. You seem to report fairly and not let your personal feelings for a player interfere with your post and articles. It seems as though you are a big Winston fan, nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately, Winston is not (and probably will not ever be) a great NFL QB. Heck, he isn’t even good. There are at least 29 other starting QB’s in the league who are light years ahead of Winston and another dozen or so back up QB’s who are better than Winston. Is Winston Athletic, CERTAINLY. Does he Desire to Win. Absolutely. Unfortunately, he does not have the “IT” factor. Winston simply does not have ” it “. He will never be a great NFL QB. He’s making the same mistakes now that he made five, six and seven years ago in college. He is a decent back-up at best, probably should be a third QB on most roasters.
MOST LOGICAL move? Trade him him if you can get anything out of him. Trade him to Oakland, our old head coach out there LOVES Winston, heard him say it countless times on ESPN. Anyway, When the Buc’s selected Winston I was one of the OMG’s out there asking “why in the hell would the Buc’s take Winston? He’s a proven “pressure punk” in college and it’ll get worse in the NFL. I was one of the ones screaming NO, NO, NO. I’m not patting myself on the back because I’d much rather be wrong and the Buc’s be raising hell in the NFL. I simply hope the Buc’s make wiser decisions moving forward. Way too much talent on this football team for them to be so far behind the eight ball…
October 29th, 2018 at 10:24 am
@Joe
LOL. Did you even read what’s written here? –Joe
…Yeah, I read it…You said competition is the EXCUSE now for his RAPID fall. How weak of mind is this “Americas QB” ? Joe did not write about any excuse, or even use the word excuse. Jameis is responsible for Jameis, as he’s always been. –Joe
October 29th, 2018 at 10:27 am
Joe
if your theory is that competition caused the downfall then I have this to offer.
Since playing the game, not simulation, as it is the highest form of competition, JW should never play again. The competition of actual game time becomes the ruination of JW
October 29th, 2018 at 10:27 am
If you can’t handle competition you are mentally weak. Excuses are over for Jameis his on field play has proven he’s not a franchise qb it’s just not gonna work here for him
October 29th, 2018 at 10:29 am
Jay Miss is a bust much like Ryan Leaf. Bucs screwed up massively when they drafted him. Pre draft scouting had him pegged as a high IQ football guy who was turnover prone and who made bad decisions on and off the field. Four years later little, if anything, has changed.
If Jay Miss starts another game this season, both Koetter and Licht should be Baker Acted for observation.
Admit your mistake in drafting him and move on. If he succeeds somewhere else, which IMHO, is highly unlikely, so be it.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:29 am
In year 4, it’s clear: Winston is who he is. A guy with a great arm who can’t/won’t read NFL defenses. A guy who makes poor decisions on and off the field. The players know he’s not the guy.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:32 am
That’s honestly a really stupid question. Winston isn’t competing with a 37 year old quarterback and just because drew brees and Brady are playing at an older age don’t use that as an idiotic reason to say Fitz can. Amateur hour JoeBucsFan right now. Dude isn’t out there thinking someone will take his job, he’s out there trying to chance the narrative about himself and made it worse, now he’s labeled a predator and a dumb qb. Glad you’re in Jameis’ head and know what he’s thinking and how he reacted to competition. –Joe Should have taken d jack advice in the offseason and stopped trying to impress people. His head is just a mess like worrying about getting Evans his 1000 yards for the season instead of winning the game. Unfortunately we drafted another head case. Licht won’t survive and dirk should have been fired already. Winston only hope is a new coach wanting to keep him
October 29th, 2018 at 10:46 am
make fitz the starter, and roll with him live or die, including next season, he knows the system is poised and gives this club the best chance to win, let jameis walk in free agency nobody gonna trade for him anyway, his stock is down, fitz is the present, and gives us the best option going forward, i’m all in for the tank for tua club now, make it happen bucs 2020
October 29th, 2018 at 10:47 am
JBF, you do realize every article you write about Ja”Mess” are reasons he needs to be shipped very far away from TB. Sports shrink, inaccuracy, turnover machine, immature, coachkiller and yet the Bucs are supposed to be patient with him and reward him financially?! This is why this franchise is and always will be a joke! No one has the stones to say they screwed up and start over.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:50 am
I don’t think it was the completion I think it was all the negativity including the story about Djax. I think Winston quit yesterday and I thought I’d never ever see that day but again wtfdik
October 29th, 2018 at 10:51 am
I wish Jameis well.
And I appreciate his efforts here for the past few years.
But this is Fitz’ team, at this moment in time, at least…
And maybe we can get a solid 2-3-year run from Fitz ala Testaverde, while he’s also grooming a newly-drafted rookie QB…
Sounds like the best plan to me from this point moving forward, in my opinion.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:56 am
Certainly I’m not the only one to notice the following, I don’t think? Feed back would be Great!!!
Doesn’t it seem like the offensive line blocks better for Fritz? Doesn’t it seem like the WR’s, RB’s, TE’s (heck, the entire team) seems to play better with Fritz under center?
October 29th, 2018 at 10:57 am
We need to bring back McKown next year so we can suck and draft Tua Tagovailoa with the first pick in the 2020 draft!!!!
October 29th, 2018 at 11:03 am
For the players here, some only had Jameis so didn’t know what a smart QB could do for them. You saw the first few weeks how they played with Fitz. They balled out for him. You also saw how they played with Jameis. Completely different team. He has lost the locker room.
October 29th, 2018 at 11:08 am
@Joe
Joe did not write about any excuse, or even use the word excuse. Jameis is responsible for Jameis, as he’s always been. –Joe
…Yeah OK, It’s a question > “Did Competition Crumble Jameis”
You implied a situation to provide an excuse for Jameis and his horrible play
October 29th, 2018 at 11:09 am
But it appears the competitive presence of Fitzpatrick actually took down Jameis. – Joe
Hmmmm…… Jameis is responsible for Jameis?!?!?
What is a banter????? lol
You really love your JOB! lol
October 29th, 2018 at 11:18 am
“Lol! Please Bucsheep, can’t you see what DJax really wants?
He wants next years 10 million to be gurenteed from Gump and the glazers!
This is what DJax is and does”
Kobe Faker
October 29th, 2018 at 11:36 am
Joe,
You claimed repeatedly that JW is more talented than RF. Can you please elaborate? I’m no football guru and I dont watch all 22. Please don’t tell me what history shows. It doesn’t matter when RF is playing as good as he is, with these weapons under this system. Talent-wise- why is JW superior?
October 29th, 2018 at 11:39 am
All
Give joe a break. He stopped calling him “Americas QB probowler Jamies winston”.
October 29th, 2018 at 11:49 am
Cleaning House is in order.
If Fitz can finish out the year, great. If he wants to stay on for one more, sure, why not. In the mean time, rebuild the The OLINE and the defense. Worry about the QB when the rest of the team is more stable…What’s the worst that could happen? A couple more losing seasons?
Would be worth it if we could build something legitimate around here.
October 29th, 2018 at 1:18 pm
That second half against the Browns…and the entire game against Cincinnati was the first time I saw fear and confusion in JW’s eyes. Perhaps you are correct Joe and the competition affected him.
It doesn’t matter….Jameis does NOT see the field…does NOT know where to expect defenders even after three years…and he has very erratic accuracy…sometimes HOF passes sometimes high school Harry throws.
Joe you nailed it long ago. There is “good Jameis” and “bad Jameis” and you simply can’t be that inconsistent and uncontrollable. BTW we may need to add another category…”Good Jameis” “Bad Jameis” and “Horrid Jameis.” !
October 29th, 2018 at 1:19 pm
Yes John.
October 29th, 2018 at 2:00 pm
He is tfore some player Joe toured before the draft and Fitz was a 1000 miles away.
October 29th, 2018 at 2:41 pm
gotbbucs Says:
October 29th, 2018 at 10:00 am
So now Ryan Fitzpatrick is to blame? Unbelievable. Can the Joe’s just call a spade a spade for once? Where exactly did Joe blame Fitzpatrick? Allow Joe to answer. Nowhere! –Joe
A fake competition between Winston and Fitzpatrick did Winston in, according to you. You posted a blog thread about it right here. What I’m saying is quit fishing for a reason for how Winstin plays QB. He’s shown his true colors over and over again and you just can’t fathom the fact that he’s just another in a long list if high profile Heisman QBs to fall flat on his face.
Last night on Twitter you posted how Dan Marrino and Peyton Manning each had 4 int games in their career, as if Winston belonged in that same conversation. Do more research and find all the garbage QBs that had 4 int games, he’ll fit that list a whole hell of alot better.
It’s getting sad.
October 29th, 2018 at 2:47 pm
You have to play the best players, always.
I’ve said since the beginning, Jameis is a baseball pitcher. On the football field, you can watch his throwing motion and it has baseball pitcher written all over it. Great velocity, but not much touch on the ball. Because of this the ball sails on him and creates a lot of overthrows and Interceptions. He should go back to baseball.
October 29th, 2018 at 4:30 pm
I believe there is an element of truth in what Joe says……..I think Jameis resents Fitzpatrick…….made all the more worse because he’s been successful , I mean who is this journeyman QB from Harvard moving in on my turf…..these two are total opposites to begin wirh….His feeling of invincibility has been badly shaken…..This kid has a much more fragile psyche than we know, unfortunately the NFL does not offer counseling for that
October 30th, 2018 at 9:57 am
Erik that’s why this is a losing franchise and a losing fan base. When you say fizpatrick for 2 or 3 years when he played for 13 years and 8 different teams this is the only fan base that think fizpatrick is good. The other teams are just laughing at y’all. Lol lol lol …… draft the quarterback from WV. And drop fizpatrick . Go bucs……
October 30th, 2018 at 9:57 am
Erik that’s why this is a losing franchise and a losing fan base. When you say fizpatrick for 2 or 3 years when he played for 13 years and 8 different teams this is the only fan base that think fizpatrick is good. The other teams are just laughing at y’all. Lol lol lol …… draft the quarterback from WV. And drop fizpatrick . Go bucs……
October 30th, 2018 at 11:42 am
Joe,
I want IsrBuc’s question answered. By You. You are losing credibility defending Jay Miss. Answer this question.
You claimed repeatedly that JW is more talented than RF. Can you please elaborate? I’m no football guru and I dont watch all 22. Please don’t tell me what history shows. It doesn’t matter when RF is playing as good as he is, with these weapons under this system. Talent-wise- why is JW superior?