“Don’t Put Your Head In The Sand”

July 2nd, 2018

Advice for America.

If he hasn’t already, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, will forever live a public life with a scarlet letter tattooed on his chest.

That’s the word from former NFL wide receiver Steve Smith. Now a talking head on the NFL Network, Smith last week co-hosted “Good Morning, Football.”

Of course, on Friday, the whole NFL world centered around the Bucs and Jameis in particular as he was slapped with a three-game suspension for his hassle with an Uber driver in March 2016. Smith confessed in the segment more than once that he was no angel as an NFL player and got into his share of trouble as well.

While Smith made it clear there is no way he could condone what Jameis is alleged to have done and seemingly copped a plea to, Smith did admit he sympathizes with Jameis.

“These young players hold the tuitions [of the children] of these coaches, the mortgages of these coaches, the car payments for their wives, right?” Smith said. “So there is a huge responsibility. But, one thing I can sit here and say the mistakes I made as a young man have been with me throughout my career.

“There is a mark on him that he will never get away from and that is an unfortunate part. But to say his apology is insincere, as a young man when I got into trouble, you don’t know what to say. You don’t know how to say it. You try to allow adults to guide you.

“I know as a guy who has stepped in knee-high cow manure, several times, he is embarrassed, he is ashamed and he will have to live with that with that mark on his career. I feel bad for him.”

Well, Joe sees where Smith is coming from but those adults Jameis pays (Joe assumes good money to) should be able to craft a decent apology.

Joe understands it is dicey because if Jameis is too direct — which so many want him to be — he is essentially confessing to a crime and inviting either a nasty lawsuit or for Arizona cops to pinch him. No one is dumb enough to directly confess to a crime just to satisfy a handful of talking heads on a TV show short of random people appearing on “LivePD” from Pasco County.

Smith did offer words of advice for Jameis.

“I would tell him don’t put your head in the sand. Go head on with it.”

The part about Smith discussing Jameis’ responsibilities is what has Joe angered. By not being honest with his own teammates, coaches and fellow employees of the Bucs, by not reporting this incident and hoping it would just disappear like a little child who spilled a milk shake on the living room rug, and being suspended, the Bucs could easily start the season 0-3 without him. That just might get a lot of coaches fired, careers ruined and families uprooted.

And that is why this talk of Jameis being a leader is just hot air. Leaders don’t do that.

103 Responses to ““Don’t Put Your Head In The Sand””

  1. Topcoach78 Says:

    You know how you got the long adjective filled name for Peter King? How about you do one for your beloved QB something like cuss word screaming, Bb gun shooting, crab leg stealing, women’s crotch grabbing, sexual predator, wrong choice of words used, fight instigating, interception throwing, mentally ill quarterback like you do everyone else

  2. SteelStudBuc Says:

    Haha haha classic!!

  3. SteelStudBuc Says:

    It’s like spitting in our faces with this America’s Quarterback hog wash

  4. Jerry Wicky Says:

    It really is getting kinda old with the Americas QB thing….even without this whole mess. He hasn’t done anything…if you bring up his stats your foolin yourself. The Bucs were or are always losing. That’s where the stats come from.

  5. Jerry Wicky Says:

    Believe it or not I’m actually a Jameis fan. He just has to win and act like an adult. (you know what I mean lol)

  6. Marc Says:

    America’s Groper, Joe. America’s Groper.

  7. IsrBuc Says:

    @SteelStudBuc totaly

  8. IsrBuc Says:

    @Topcoach78 well served

  9. DB55 Says:


    Very nice indeed!

  10. BUDDY Says:

    Hold on Joe, you don’t know what he did and didn’t tell the owners, coaches and teammates other than more HEARSAY. I know that more than just a few just don’t want to believe the “possibility” that maybe he didn’t do it. And maybe he either did or believed he in fact told the truth.

    Come on man…

    I’m not saying he didn’t do it (because I wasn’t in the car) but I’m certainly not going to swear that he did or that I know of ANYTHING for sure! NO WAY is that the right thing to do. That’s jumping off the cliff because Bobby and Becky did!

    I have no apologies for not being a follower. NO WAY MAN!

    Concerning lying to the team, he may not have known actually which car he was in at any particular time of the night after a “CERTAIN POINT”.

    That kind of drunk? For get about it! Any anyone who has ever gotten that kind of drunk is well aware of what I mean when a say after, ” a certain point”. So maybe he didn’t lie. Maybe he really doesn’t know for sure but what he does remember didn’t happen like it has been presented. Does that make him a liar?

    And a couple of pretty big point here is 2 things.

    (1) If indeed he was that kind of blitzed and if he really was an aggressive sexual predator I doubt he would have stopped at NO while being that kind of drunk. In fact, I seriously doubt it! I’ve seen it before. Those people DON’T KNOW WHEN TO STOP! At All… And they don’t give a Flip what you say..

    (2) Seems everyone believes the part that he was SOOO drunk that they had to send him home early. Ok, he’s blasted then. Right or Wrong? So with that said, did he lie? Or was he trying not to up chuck and that’s about all he remembers or was there more to it that he does remember? Then again would he even remember getting into the uber with PETER PAN?

    I have a feeling that if nothing else his gut tells him that he wouldn’t do that. People DO know themselves well enough in that respect. Don’t they.. O yes they do.

    “There is one more thing for now”

    People are quit foolish when it comes to the real world. Or how about “NAIVE”. Maybe that’s more fair to say. People DO set up other people. And hold onto yourself when I say Women too.. I know that maybe a hard pill to swallow but in reality it happens every single day. That’s right, it really does.
    ESPECIALLY WHEN MONEY IS INVOLVED with an exceedingly easy target. Just too easy. How much did she make? If the lawyer was indeed pro bono and not “ONE” that was “.01” single penny was made then that WILL NOT be the case and I will join the gotta cut him crowd. BUT if there was money made here from a disgustingly easy target then I”M DONE BEING IN THE MIDDLE!

    That might not be the case here but I’m not going to dismiss the possibility because the masses want blood for a bad season. Honestly, I don’t think the masses cared who it was as long as someone paid for their frustrations. Let’s face it, everyone knew this was coming and yet it’s such a surprise to them even with plenty of advanced warning with that “one condition” they themselves laid out. It was called PROOF. And that’s what they swore they would go with before judgement, However with ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF, he to them is guilty no matter why or what! Why is he guilty? There is NO PROOF either way. Like I said, the guy is and was an easy target.

    (To One of the Joe’s)

    And lied? Are you SO sure of that yourself? Got any proof?

  11. Pete I Says:

    the Bucs could easily start the season 0-3 WITH him too. America’s Choir Boy what a stain on the franchise. Stain of the Franchise! more accurate than Face of the Franchise.

  12. Buddy Says:

    I haven’t seen what I just took the time to write yet but are or were you implying that Jameis lied because he didn’t report the incident? Besides that which isn’t a lie, negligent maybe but not proof of a lie. And I’m sure I missed it but who said he didn’t mention it to the team? I was never clear on that. Who said that and when?

    It matters to me because I’m trying to get the known facts straight

  13. onetrickpony Says:

    Topcoach78, SteelStudBuc……..BINGO !

  14. Pete I Says:

    America’s Choir Boy LIED that the “hassle” happened at all, said the driver was mistaken, that it didn’t happen etc…etc…etc… Oh and so did Ronald Darby but that’s for an Eagle Board.

  15. onetrickpony Says:

    The part about Smith discussing Jameis’ responsibilities is what has Joe angered. By not being honest with his own teammates, coaches and fellow employees of the Bucs, by not reporting this incident and hoping it would just disappear like a little child who spilled a milk shake on the living room rug, and being suspended, the Bucs could easily start the season 0-3 without him. That just might get a lot of coaches fired, careers ruined and families uprooted.

    And that is why this talk of Jameis being a leader is just hot air. Leaders don’t do that.

    Exactly,well said Joe.

  16. GhostofSchiano Says:

    love the website but really hate the Americas quarterback nickname.

    He is not Americas quarterback, that title is more for someone like Prescott or Brees.

  17. Nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Buddy, I feel the same way
    “implying that Jameis lied because he didn’t report the incident? “Besides that which isn’t a lie, negligent maybe but not proof of a lie”

    No one have the facts so they just impose their beliefs, their truths…

    Steve Smith manned up too bad this moral militia can’t do the same and if they haven’t done anything similar, they were with a friend that did…however WE STILL DON’t KNOW JW DID ANYTHING WRONG, he apologized for putting her in this position, because he made her uncomfortable…all conjecture…and a can statement!

  18. Nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    You don’t know Prescott, Brees or Jameis so I never liked the name America’s QB but now I am digging it…because his life is mirroring the America of the past, present and future.!

  19. Crack3rK Says:

    Nice one! My guess is that Joe uses AQB somewhat tongue in cheek, but I don’t like it either. I think it’s time for Jameis to go dark for a while. I’d be happy if he didn’t have any pressers this year other to day “Im truly sorry to the Driver, my teammates and my fans.” Period. No lawyerly crafted BS.

  20. 1sparkybuc Says:

    Has anyone stopped to consider that Jameis might have been so drunk that he does not remember what happened that night? It is possible that he just doesn’t know. An old white guy brags about it and gets elected president, and he doesn’t drink. A young drunk black guy is simply accused, and the same people that defend the white guy, want Jameis cut, jailed, or hung. For the last two years and three months Jameis has been a model citizen. He has a family and lives his life under a microscope. He’s not a danger to society, unlike the white guy, and the NFL and the courts have done what they’re going to do. We’re never going to know what really happened. Nothing left to do but move on and get ready for the season. I am an old white guy, but I can still remember some backseat wrestling matches at the drive-in movies where I might have crossed the line. Cut the kid some slack. If you find it in your heart to support him, at least stop attacking him. He might just be guilty of being young and stupid.

  21. 1sparkybuc Says:


  22. Buc believer Says:

    Going 0-3 will get coaches fired???? Really Joe?? How about throwing the touchdown to Godwin last year SAVING this inept coaching/scouting / GM??? No Jameis bought them a year to be saving some loot to move with. BTW since they make more in a year than the average person does in 20 plus years kinda hard for me to shed a tear for these people.

  23. Pete I Says:

    “Has anyone stopped to consider that Jameis might have been so drunk that he does not remember what happened that night? ” People are convicted all the time that “don’t remember” what happened. Not an excuse only perhaps a mitigator. And since the NFL already didn’t give the mandated 6 games they must have accepted some deal. Unfortunately for America’s Choir Boy his past is an aggravator and didn’t help his cause.

  24. Pete I Says:

    The NFL has decided America’s Choir Boy did something wrong. Period.

  25. Roy T. Buford Says:

    Only a few days and people are back saying there is no proof (when they don’t know). This isn’t in “wait and see” mode any more. The NFL concluded Winston inappropriately touched the driver in a sexual way without her consent…not that he maybe did, allegedly did, etc. The NFL said they used multiple phone records, verbal accounts, and electronic data to come to the conclusion. We don’t know what all the electronic means were–we may find out in due time. Winston’s stories were proven to be lies–so it comes down Winston did do it. I believe the NFL report before I believe thugs, including the guys in the car with him. Looks like Banks just happened to be telling the truth based on the other records. The only difference here is a court of law did not find him guilty as he was not charged, and so he is not paying for a crime. That means a lot, and is good for Winston, but it doesn’t have any basis to change the fact the NFL found that he did it. The cover up is much worse. Few players go to the extent this loser did to deny, conceal, cover up, and otherwise deceive all. Winston’s head has also not be in the sand….it’s been up his &$#% as this stuff is nothing new to him. Wonder what else he did, and will do. I just he does it while part of another team a long long time from now.

  26. Roy T. Buford Says:

    @1SparkyBuc….no, being drunk during the commission of a crime is not a mitigator for God’s sakes. People do dumb things when they are under the influence of alcohol and other drugs, but as you say, it is no excuse and THEREFORE it is not a mitigator. That defense has never held up, and while it may help understand the bizarre, no one gets a pass for drug and alcohol use. And good thing, because cases would be left and right about people not fit to stand trial…and cases would be tossed out. Of course, none of this with Winston is a court case, but the same principle applies…but it was legal counsel for the NFL involved.

  27. JA Says:

    @ 1sparky…

    Agreed. Seems to be a bevy of “holier than thou,” pristine do-gooders on this site that have never done anything to interrupt the flow of perfection that comes from their imaginary worlds.
    My problem lies with their hypocrisy. For all those Jameis critics that voted for the groper-in-chief, I have a piece of advice; get a brain transplant, preferably from somebody that had a fully developed one. Then stand in front of a mirror and say “hypocrite” a hundred times. When finished, find a dictionary, look up hypocrite, cut it out and paste it to your forehead.

    Yeah, Jameis was young and stupid. So far, that’s all we know and will probably ever know. Most all crimes are settled in court. This incident was never deemed serious enough by the accuser to get that far…

  28. 1sparkybuc Says:

    Being drunk is wrong. Being a drunk celebrity alone with a woman is stupid and shows a lack of experience. He was definitely wrong, but at the very worst, only his hands were involved, not his penis. Anyone here never guilty of copping a feel? I believe most guys could be found guilty of at least attempting to feel up a girl. It’s not polite or always appropriate, but it is natural.

  29. Pete I Says:

    “I believe most guys could be found guilty of at least attempting to feel up a girl. It’s not polite or always appropriate, but it is natural.” Equally irrelevant something “being natural” does not make it OK and not a crime. Also Roy, I have worked on many cases and sentencing hearings where some judges have very much mitigated the sentence do to some some factor including memory loss, blackouts even by drinking. They were still guilty but instead of 5 in 3 to 5 guidelines they got 3.

  30. Tval Says:

    There sure are some SAD LITTLE “men” in Florida….with TONS OF SPARE TIME…LOL!! Don’t try to change names, Pete…hehehehehe and they didn’t lie…and it’s America’s Qb, Jameis Winston, and Super BOWL CHAMPION Ronald Darby! Get it right next time

  31. 1sparkybuc Says:

    An accusation is not proof of a crime. There was no arrest. There was no trial. There was no conviction. There was no sentencing. The league acted on the incident and the lack of reporting it. A three game suspension is his punishment. It’s done. No sense in pilling on. Let it go. Move on. He’s a Buc and I want him to succeed along with the team. Too much invested in him to start over from scratch. He’s been a model citizen for over two years. Time to focus on New Orleans.

  32. Pete I Says:

    “An accusation is not proof of a crime. There was no arrest. There was no trial. There was no conviction. There was no sentencing.” Again irrelevant – the NFL doesn’t need those things, neither would anyone else’s employer. America’s Choir Boy is very lucky she didn’t call the police.

  33. Pete I Says:

    “He’s been a model citizen for over two years” You don’t know that, talk about having no facts, and of course he has been lying for 2 years. Or at least omitting the truth. He’s a buc but not a very good one and a stain of the franchise.

  34. Tval Says:

    Pete the liar… ”do to some factor”????? LOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!! Do NOT hire this man…hehehe

  35. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I don’t know about the possibility of a nasty lawsuit…the civil statute has definitely run in Arizona…..the Arizona cops (prosecutor)could pinch him because the statute for this (Sexual Abuse) is a class 5 felony and is 7 years…..but I think it is highly unlikely without Kate’s help and she hasn’t seemed interested in pursuing criminal charges.

    Everyone wants Jameis to explain further…..I don’t think that is going to happen.

  36. FairMinded Says:

    Pretty sure if the site does a poll right now it’s going to be 90% Stop calling Jameis America’s QB. It’s just a sarcastic compliment at this point. And this is from someone (like many here) not clamoring to get rid of the guy, but it seems in pretty poor taste

  37. FairMinded Says:

    @sparky don’t defend the indefensible. It’s not a good look. It’s also the reason the team will have nothing further to say on the topic. Wrong is wrong. Let the guy rehabilitate and prove himself a changed man because he needs to mature on and off the field and fast

  38. Tval Says:

    Because Kate would have to “disclose”……hehehehehe!! She has NADA AND MOST LIKELY MADE IT ALL UP!! stop being led by nose by morons like Pete..lol!! He just gobbles Stephen A and regurgitates

  39. JMan5 Says:

    Model Citizens don’t lie when caught red handed.

  40. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Are they still calling Bill Cosby “America’s Dad”?

  41. Pete I Says:

    “Model Citizens don’t lie when caught red handed.” Yep! And really model citizens don’t lie even when they haven’t been caught red handed.

  42. Onetrickpony Says:

    I have hashed this over again to myself and now belive JW is a victim of public perception.
    Mr Winston, I am wrong in the awful things I’ve said concerning you.
    I hope you seriously consider quitting this trash can team, now, and going elsewhere, where your talents can shine.
    Do it to the Bucs organization, before they do it to you.
    Go play baseball or something.

    ps: no, I dont have a sister…..sorry

  43. Pete I Says:

    Onetrickpony hahaha

  44. The Buc Realist Says:

    Joe and the “so-called fans” talked all off-season about “accountability and no excuses” Until it came to Jameis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  45. meh Says:

    Cut him.

  46. JameisNOT Says:

    News flash Joe: The Bucs would have started 0-3 with him in the lineup. AND by all means, please stop calling him “America’s QB”. Or at least dont do it around the Independence Day holiday

  47. JameisNOT Says:

    On another note: he is also lying about being sober for over a year. We saw him right befor the holiday season hammered as usual.

  48. Pete I Says:

    Jameis America’s Choir Boy, who touches women inappropriately, drinks to much and lies about it Winston has been found guilty by his employer the NFL. He is guilty. And his team who have him as the stain of the franchise has not said he is not, if anything their unsigned note shows they know the truth.

  49. Roy T. Buford Says:

    It is amusing to see some on this site somehow equate demanding the face of your NFL franchise he a law abiding citizen, with even basic traits for honesty. That’s not too much to ask at all. You’d hope your neighbor, friend, preacher, teacher, boss, fellow employer doesn’t grab your wife or daughter by their genitals and then try to make it look like they are doing something wrong. Oh yeah, it happens…RARELY. That isn’t “holier than thou” at all. Lots of people get drunk and do stupid things. But it is neither normal nor acceptable to commit crimes under the influence, use that for a defense, or display other behavior. No, calling that out is not being “holier than thou.” There are lot of QBs who abide by basic common decency and the law and can be great at playing football. Winston is neither. Calling that out is only truthful.

  50. German Buc Says:

    A lot of nervous quick trigger fingers here and a lot of names I have never seen before…

  51. 1sparkybuc Says:

    Wrong is wrong, but it’s not necessarily criminal. Wrong is also trying to make something criminal when there is no factual evidence to support that. I suspect many here who continue to convict Jameis without that evidence, voted for an old white guy who bragged about it. I don’t worry about Jameis harming anyone ever again. I wish I could say that about the old white guy.

  52. Moebuc Says:

    If you’re not a buccaneers fan or don’t support us get the f.ck off our site. Big Ben locked a chick in the f..n bathroom and had lookouts police were called Lions head coach accused also they both have jobs. Stop bashing our Qb like he did anything compared to them police weren’t even in the picture in Winston situation..

  53. JameisNOT Says:

    @moebuc: will he still be “your QB” when he plays in the CFL or the newly reshaped WFL? Cincy May also be willing to gamble on him.

  54. Roy T. Buford Says:

    @TBBF…no, Bill Cosby is called something else now. That said, no one calls Winston America’s QB but JBF. So at least it’s not a major movement. I get it; call him what he wants—his site. Most of us refer to Winston s something else now anyway–maybe Bill Cosby was his role model. Great, I just let on to yet another excuse Winston will use. He’s wearing all of them out.

  55. Not there yet Says:

    I wish you could see how pathetic some of you look with this early morning hate. He won’t be cut for this no one cares about your opinion except Joe and how he handled this situation doesn’t change the fact that he is a leader that’s stupid to. The president unfortunately is a leader and he doesn’t have an honest bone in his body. Probably are a bunch of bigoted Trump supporters talking nonsense.

    Your on the wrong site haters go back to pro football talk, your wasting your time and energy for nothing.

  56. AlteredEgo Says:

    America’s Liar Quarterback

  57. Moebuc Says:

    You all will be cheering Winston this season and cheering for our defense go bucs

  58. AlteredEgo Says:

    Onetrickpony Says:
    July 2nd, 2018 at 6:44 am
    I have hashed this over again to myself and now belive JW is a victim of public perception.

    Actually….Jameis is a victim of his perception of himself…..he needs to come clean with a real apology !…not
    ” I disagree with the NFL’s decision but understand the process”….he’ll screw up again because he has not learned his lesson…just got away like he always has…

  59. Pete I Says:

    I will be cheering the Buc’s but not America’s Choir Boy as he continues to stain the franchise. Being a blind zealot does not make one more of a Buc’s fan, not by a long shot.

  60. Buc4L Says:

    Enough with the Winston BS, yes he is suspended for 3 games for some stupid idiotic descisons he made after his rookie year. There has been much worse things done, not only in this league, but in the world we live in, let’s not get caught up, let’s move on. This sucks and Jameis is an fool for his actions but let’s get real, be is not going anywhere. If the bucs were to cut him, he would be on another team within hours. NLF teams want the bucs to cut him. Long story short, we have a stacked team and Fitz can handle the 1st three games even with the tough sched, TIME MOVE ON TO FOOTBALL!!

    Go BUCS

  61. Long dong silver Says:

    Feed him to the fishes!

  62. Long dong silver Says:

    Feed him to the fishes.

  63. I’m a Tandyman Bucs Fan Says:

    Buddy, Buddy, Buddy!!! Man I sure hope you can convince yourself with all that hopeful BS. Why in the hell do you think he’s suspended 3 games. Also here you go . Kate got no money!!! You think she lied for the publicity?? Come on man. GET REAL!!!

  64. 813bucboi Says:

    i for one aint making excuses for Winston nor this staff…..Winston let the entire bucs nation down……he put himself in this position…..I don’t feel sorry for him….he did this to himself…..

    dirk needs to win without Winston…..Winston needs to win when he comes back…..smitty needs to produce a defense worth watching…..simple as that….


  65. T REX Says:

    July 2nd and JW is still a POS!

    DB55 is still a troll!

  66. ndog Says:

    So my only question is if and when Jamies plays this year, are all of you guys that want him gone just going to stop watching and cheering for the Bucs? Cause you know the odds of them cutting him are very slim and he will play if he is on the team, so are you going to root against the Bucs, stop watching football? I am serious about this question what are you going to do, cause you are very likely not going to get your wish.

  67. AlteredEgo Says:

    ndog…I want Jameis to own up and make a complete apology…until then I don’t have the time of day for him….if he does I am willing to accept his apology and have him as the Bucs QB….

  68. Joe Says:

    I want Jameis to own up and make a complete apology.

    That’s not going to happen, nor should it.

  69. AlteredEgo Says:

    Joe Says:
    July 2nd, 2018 at 9:49 am
    I want Jameis to own up and make a complete apology.

    That’s not going to happen, nor should it.

    Jameis has not apologized

    When he does it needs to be with the same force and clarity of his denial…….until then he is in denial and flaunting all his character flaws in the face of decent humanity

  70. ndog Says:

    Altered if he doesn’t believe that he did what he is being accused of then why would he apologize for that in particular? He clearly apologized for making the driver uncomfortable and putting her in the national spotlight, but he also clearly did not admit to doing anything that he was accused of. Also I take a bit of an issue with everyone saying that the NFL is saying he did what he was accused of, when in reality they just said they believed her story more than his but that is still not proof of anything. I mean I am pissed just like everybody else and think he is a idiot for putting himself in this situation, but since when is it ok to just make stuff up?

    I guess bottom line Altered, would you apologize for something you believe you didn’t do? Regardless of anything else being said or reporter or thought, would you apologize for something you did not believe you did?

  71. T REX Says:

    I heard JW and his agents parted ways. Did he touch them too?

  72. Bucsfanman Says:

    The NFL has made its ruling and it didn’t favor Jameis. Therefore, he will be punished 3 games. Those are the only “facts” that matter at this point. There’s not much more to discuss, REGARDLESS of what side of the fence you’re on.
    We WON’T be given proof that he did do it, and we WON”T be given proof that he didn’t do it.
    He WILL receive punishment. He WILL play this season. Move on.
    Trying to dissect this is pointless because nobody here can say unequivocally one way or the other.
    The Bucs are bigger than one player.

  73. AlteredEgo Says:

    T REX Says:
    July 2nd, 2018 at 10:28 am
    I heard JW and his agents parted ways

    William “Tank” Black….has time on his hands….

  74. Joe Says:

    Well, well, well.


  75. Buddy Says:

    Did I say publicity? I’m pretty sure I said MONEY. Seems you know something the rest don’t. I made it clear where I stand and why. Perhaps you should go back and read what I wrote.

    What’s a laugh to me is how ironic it will be if ANY of you find yourself in any kind of a situation like this and you get convicted of a crime in court and of course in your favorite place the “court of public opinion”.

    I have a strong feeling that plenty of people that are piling in do in fact get drunk and or high in one way or another. You should be Very careful because the Universe does indeed work in strange ways.

    Perhaps you’ll need the services of the law firms listed in the advertising above. And you better “hope for ALL of your sakes” that PROOF is actually required and that the “court of public opinion” and the ACTUAL law and not the power NFL law is in charge if you aren’t guilty.

    Can you see yourself slapped on TV now in the court of public opinion? Did you do it or were you to drunk to remember? Will your friends and family believe you in that court of public opinion? More importantly, THE LAW! The one I’m standing with by the way.

    In reality, your opinions matter. Why don’t you guys try to put yourselves in his shoes for just a bit because some of you party animals might find yourselves there in bizzaro world. And if you do, may society be as fair to you as you have been to him, AND OTHERS I’m sure.

    A cautionary tell for YOU

    A couple of people tried to answer some of my critique’s on this but again what they believe is the truth and presented above was again hearsay and not facts. I’m gonna stick with the facts and I’m not going to join your little lynching party because NONE are presented.

    I asked the Joe’s who and when someone said he didn’t report this to the team.
    You know what the response was???? CRICKETS!!!! NO FACTS!! Why make things up. Joe wrote about this extensively. Archives are here. Joe doesn’t answer most comments. –Joe

    So now I’m calling BS on the lot of you. NONE OF YOU HAVE NOTHING but your opinions! And I’m calling BS!

    “NOT GOOD ENOUGH” You all FAIL to sway me or MANY other FACTUAL MINDS…

    Good luck with your crappy crusade. I gotta funny feeling some of you will look back on this and realize you made a mistake and you hurt someone or a lot of someone’s and their families over garbage HEARSAY!
    The thing is though, you will probably be behind bars. Again please refer to the Lawyers advertised above. Oh and, good luck with YOUR innocence

  76. BUDDY Says:

    Ok, fair enough. Which archive was it. Because like I said I must have missed it and I’m willing to do my due diligence. Just point me to it so that I can get the facts. Who said that he didn’t report this to the team and when? That was the question

  77. BUDDY Says:

    In fact, I’m willing to take the directions to that write up from ANYBODY who knows where it is. Lie? I didn’t say Joe’s lied. I said there is NO response and plenty of JUNK mail. JUst anybody tell me which DATE the facts were presented via an article written by Joe Buc Fan and I will do the right thing and go read it. Anybody? Date? I’m willing

  78. BUDDY Says:

    Or for that matter, anywhere that states from the BUCs organization that he in fact didn’t report this incident to them.

  79. Bucsfanman Says:

    BUDDY- Not for nothing, but what facts do YOU have? Let me take a crack, NONE.
    So, why bother getting all puffed up over something that is MOSTLY all opinion anyways. You know no more than anyone else.
    You have your opinion and they have theirs. You’re throwing stones at people throwing stones dude!
    I dare say that nobody here gives a flying F’ about trying to “sway” your “factual mind!” Which, if you’re here, is a funny statement unto its own!

  80. BUDDY Says:

    Hey, that’s right. I got NOTHING. And you’re right they don’t either.

    BUT, when I see write ups stating that he lied I get very interested. Who and When did the BUCS ORGANIZATION state that Jameis Winston in fact did not report this matter to his team? Can ANYBODY show me that?

    Because I keep hearing CRICKETS

  81. Oneilbucs Says:

    Man who cares about being American quarter back. Just be a quarter back and work hard and do your part on a team. That’s all play football.

  82. Bucsfanman Says:

    BUDDY- You don’t know that. Not unless your place of employment is One Buc.
    I don’t understand what difference it makes anyway. He’s suspended and did not appeal AND, could have gotten MORE games. What point are you trying to make? Jameis seems to be making the point of accepting his punishment as are the Bucs. Early on, it was reported that the suspension was also based on not reporting the incident to the NFL (and the Bucs assumingly!).
    Do some research on your own and let us know what you find out.

  83. BUDDY Says:

    Oneil, you said it brother. But I for one I am tired of losing for one reason or another. In the end I don’t give the flip of a hamburger who the quarterback is. I just want to win! And ALL of these fools KEEP BLOWING OUR CHANCES! Including the the ones walking on water! I wish they would shut the hell up so we can focus on the win! And now I’m invested so they will SHUT UP!!! Tired of their distractions! How about they start by GETTING OFF THE HYPE WAGON!


    In my view they want us to stay in loser h*ll and I’m tired of them and I’m tired of last place! So show me some facts! And if you can’t, SHUT THE H*LL UP!

  84. BUDDY Says:

    Hey Bucfan, did some research. CAN’T FIND IT! Do you know where it is?

  85. Neal Says:

    It’s crazy to me that any gives a crap about what Jameis did when over half of the country voted for a guy that bragged about doing the EXACT SAME THING.

  86. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Of course I’ll root for the Bucs. They’re still our team. I’ll be rooting for Fitz to play so well that it creates a controversy when it’s time to make the move.

    IF we make it anyway of course I’ll root for the Bucs.

    BTW I’m not rooting against Jameis. I honestly hope that the Bucs can work a deal to get Jameis to a team with an aging star QB that he can back up a year or two until all of this dies down. Jameis has talent but he’s FAR from the only QB in the league and if you go down most of the PROFESSIONAL rating services ahead of this year…Jameis is considered a 3rd tier QB. I think he eventually will prove himself better but he’s FAR from irreplaceable. We will not be set back five years.

    Did Philly get set back five years? They pick a QB #1…he works out and then gets hurt before the playoffs and yet another QB…somebody’s castoff…gets them an SB.

    Losing Jameis is a bad return on investment…I get that…but it’s not bankruptcy and it saves us from throwing good money after bad. It’s called cutting your losses.

  87. I’m a Tandyman Bucs Fan Says:

    Buddy, Buddy, Buddy!!!! Cmon man!!! You need to add Winston to your screen name and be Buddy Winston and tell everyone he’s your Bruh!!! Then all your silly post will make some sense… Maybe Fitz will win 3 games and your boy JW3 will be what he is a great Back Up that won a Heisman in college but went 17 & 28 as an NFL starter!!!

  88. Bucsfanman Says:

    BUDDY- I wasn’t being rhetorical. Frankly, that’s why I don’t see the point in your pursuit. The NFL investigation and the Bucs investigation are not necessarily privy to the public.
    Besides, how is showing YOU the facts going to change anything? According to the report it was a “violation of the NFL personal conduct policy” and that, “through testimony and evidence, the driver’s story was found credible and consistent.” 3 games. What else needs to be said?

  89. Bucsfanman Says:

    Tandyman, my man! Lot of jumping up and down over a guy who was in a make or break year anyway, don’t you think? And that was BEFORE the suspension!

  90. I’m a Tandyman Bucs Fan Says:

    Bucsfanman…Again my favorite poster that absolutely makes sense again!!! Think your fighting a losing battle trying to make sense of it to Buddy!!! He’s kinda like my Ex Wife. She was always great about convincing herself that she was right regardless and that is what she went with and that’s why she’s my Ex Wife !!!! LOL real loud!!

  91. D1 Says:


    Calling some one Hypocritical is such an old and tired tactic circa 1960’s. The target audience for using it is 18-24yrs old. Basically it appeals to children and adults w child like thinking. If you’re a child ok. But over 25yrs old and spouting off about hypocrisy…then something is seriously wrong.

    But if you think it means something….here’s a simple dismissal of your ideological perfectly aligned thought process. If you voted for the truth telling , denounced of crimes against women, 2 time loser….you’re supporters of all the activities of the husband and uncle Harvey and the creepy ice cream truck driver.. MJ and …

  92. D1 Says:


    Dirk K when asked about the incident the day the story broke he said…No. Joe posted stories about it and it ain’t hidden. If that’s why you don’t believe…..verify and believe.

  93. Bucsfanman Says:

    Tandyman, your “ex” sound a lot like my current, LOL!
    Yea, I’m giving up on that conversation. Some people just want to hear what they want to hear.

    BTW, I love me some Steve Smith (despite being a Buc killah!)! One of the baddest, undersized SOB’s to lace ’em up!

  94. Jjones Says:

    Ummm, what apology? He didn’t really apologize he just danced around an apology with a hazmat suit on.

  95. Joe Says:

    Ummm, what apology? He didn’t really apologize he just danced around an apology with a hazmat suit on.

    As he should have. As in dance around.

  96. Destinjohnny Says:

    Does anyone wanna bet that this isn’t the first time ole Jameis has done something like this?

  97. I’m a Tandyman Bucs Fan Says:

    Yep Bucsfanman my man!!! Let er go. Yeah I’m a big Steve Smith guy myself. Watched a great show on him on the NFL channel the other nitnight. He is a bad man and a flipping winner! LETS GO BUCS! Your my man. Keep spitting them words of wisdom Buddy!

  98. Oneilbucs Says:

    Look man we know who you are the ones that hate Winston ok we get it no one is trying to change y’all mind . And I stand with Winston so what y’all want him gone I want him to stay cause he is a good but not great quarter back . I think in time he will be great for our team . People compare with guys that’s been playing 10 to 18 years and you say he suck cause of them I get it . Right now he’s a buc and my quarter back till then I will back him . Now let’s get pass this you ain’t gonna change my mind and I’m not going to change yours. So let’s talk about something else….. Go bucs……

  99. Oneilbucs Says:

    Man can we just move on to Football.

  100. Skipper Says:

    @ Joe, I certainly hope and believe you to NOT be one to continue to pile on Winston with childish name calling as many here. The young man made a mistake, he will pay the price with his suspension, lost revenue and probably will lose millions in his future contract negotiations. I for one am hopeful that Winston gets whatever help he needs and will support him to acieve his and the Bucs franchise goals.

  101. BushidoEvans Says:

    For all the people angry about “America’s QB” like it’s some diss to America is laughable and literally don’t understand why Joe says it. He is America’s QB because of everything…he represents everything about America lol and I don’t believe that is 100% bad or good. Joe, I get it if nobody else does.

  102. Joe Says:

    You are not wrong Bushido.

  103. LongSeason Says:

    I am going to say something about how athletes are not served well by the coaches that only think of themselves. It is any one of the following things that create the problem. Coach wants to get the wife that new sewing machine, set of golf clubs, diamond or a new car and a house. A coach wants to win so he can move up the coaching ranks. My kids are going to get the best education because I will be the best football coach.

    These type of coaches ruin the kids. Sometimes it’s the parents, too.

    Little Johnny can run faster, hit harder, score more TDs hit more and longer HR than the other kids. At age 7 the kid has a wicked jump shot. A parent of a coach that has a prodigy makes sure that kid develops his game. The question is this. Is the parent or the coach developing the best person? Developing the best person may not translate to wins as much as raw talent, but it is even more important.

    Not every parent or coach forgets about this. Some do a great job coaching, raising and developing both a great athlete and a great person. Derrick Brooks, Reggie White, Roger Staubach, Walter Payton are great examples of great coaches and parents.

    OJ Simpson, Ray Carruth, Adam Jones, Lawrence Taylor and Jameis Winston are examples of kids who were developed as athletes but not as people. Bill Parcells had a meeting with Marcellus Wiley in Dallas. Parcell’s asked Marcellus what kind of person he wanted to be. Marcellus answer something like a great player. Parcells clarified by saying that he wanted Marcellus to be the best person that he could be. Illustrating the point, Parcells lamented that one regret he had in his coaching career was making LT into a HOF player but not making him a good person.

    Always remember that as an adult, our first and foremost responsibility isn’t to win games, it is to make the kids around us into the best people.

    Jameis is wrong, but so was the staff at FSU and maybe his coaches before that. The kid needs punishment, counseling and correcting. It worked with Ray Lewis and Michael Vick. It may be the real punishment Jameis needs is to be released by the Bucs or at perhaps suspended by them for 3 to 13 additional games this season and half his contract next year to be given help abused women and children.