The Bucs, The NFL And Racist Shots At Players

April 10th, 2018

“Racism is still prevalent today. I don’t want to get into it too much, but yeah, [Jameis] deals with stuff [in rival stadiums]. Everybody deals with stuff. Racism is still alive. It’s real.” Wide receiver Louis Murphy, April 2016.

The above quote appeared in Sporting News before making higher profile national news. And how was it addressed by the Bucs and the NFL?

To the best of Joe’s knowledge, it was cast aside. Certainly, nothing was addressed publicly.

A Pro Bowl quarterback coming off his rookie season, Jameis Winston, enduring racist shots in NFL stadiums, according to a teammate, and that didn’t prompt a public league or team investigation.

As Joe wrote at the time, Murphy essentially was reporting that Jameis and other players deal with racist garbage on the road. “Will the NFL address it? Is the NFL addressing it? How are they addressing it? How much will Jameis be forced to endure? Is Team Glazer demanding action at the league level? That’s the stuff Joe wants to know,” Joe wrote.

Silence was the apparent response from the Bucs and the NFL.

Anyone who follows European soccer knows what many black players have endured in the 21st century. And Team Glazer is well aware of the problems this decade surrounding the English Premier League, where they own Manchester United.

Fast-forward to the present, and Bucs starting left tackle Donovan Smith is claiming the hosts/hostesses at Shephard’s on Clearwater Beach kept him out of their beachside party scene recently because he is black — and was wearing a basketball jersey. This is one of his Tweets and a link to the Tampa Bay Times story.

Joe wasn’t there, and Joe has no idea whether Smith was the victim of selected dress code enforcement, and general rudeness to him and his family based on the color of his skin. It could be as simple as Smith ended up with the wrong person at the host stand, or it could be sinister.

Shephard’s, per the Times story, is standing behind its dress code enforcement.

Joe’s bigger question is whether the Bucs will use their vast resources to invest any time or energy into figuring out what happened, with a goal of ensuring local public life for their players is the very best it can be.

It seems like Bucs officials passed on that opportunity in the case of Jameis two years ago. Perhaps looking into how Smith was treated is a great place to start.

126 Responses to “The Bucs, The NFL And Racist Shots At Players”

  1. BetterBuccinBelieveIt Says:

    I agree @Joe, Joe’s. Some good hard-hitting journalism here. I don’t like the “stink of it”, so to speak. Would be worthy to at least investigate it fully by the Bucs anyway.

    Go Bucs!

  2. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    They won’t do anything. No NFL team would. They choose to ignore it and pretend it doesn’t happen. Most people either don’t believe it happens, or don’t care. Now if you don’t stand for the anthem, that’s when these same people become American patriots.

  3. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    Not being there and not knowing the circumstances it would be silly for anyone to pass judgment on either Shepards or on Smith

    That being said, the Bucs organization should stand behind its player 100%….what that means, I don’t know

  4. Jeffbuc Says:

    Everyone try’s to play the victim. I wasnt allowed in because I was black. Had nothing to do that your clothes were not allowed to be worn inside club according to there rules and dress code. How about checking the dress code before you go somewhere like I always do. It’s not there fault you wore something that wasn’t up to the dress code. Get over yourself.

  5. Diesel Says:

    @Jeffbuc the issue isn’t about him not following dress code, it’s about him being denied entry while others of a different race/skin tone were allowed entry in spite of those same dress code violations. I’ve been to that location on many an occasion and I must say they do pick and choose when to enforce the dress code. I can’t count how many times I’ve seen someone there not in dress code but allowed entry

  6. Tim Says:

    They do not allow any team jersey’s in and it has nothing to do with skin tone.
    This is to keep out gang bangers (sadly these a$$hats have ruined many team uniforms for the regular fan)

    They also restrict other types of clothing in different parts of the resort.
    D Smith is a good guy, but put your big boy pants on and accept that certain places have certain rules.

  7. LargoBuc Says:

    So it would seem that Smith saw a white person that was also wearing a basketball jersey and that white person was allowed entry to the event.
    If that’s true then that would seem to be racism, which is wrong and evil and has no place in todays culture.
    If that’s not true then I don’t get how this would be an instance of racism.

  8. Jeffbuc Says:

    As for the other racism it is a shame that that still happens. People are mean and will attack you with whatever way they feel you are vulnerable. I grew up with a very racist father. I wasn’t allowed to have black friends. But I would invite my black friends over on purpose to piss my dad off. He would make us stay out side and we were not allowed inside. And this was the 90s. But he eventually became good friends with one of my black friends dad. So I know first hand how racism is taught and pushed on a lot of southern families. It could have been easy for me to follow my dads teachings and continue the hate. But I opened his eyes and showed him all the stereotypes he had been raised on were vastly exaggerated. It’s just a lot of these people were raised into these believes. That all blacks are lazy and are criminals. But I know first hand how hard of workers they are. 2 of my best employees are black and they bust there buts off all day and never complain. And they would be the first people i call when I need help. So everyone needs to open these racists eyes. And show them there learned behavior is actually the problem.

  9. Pepsi Says:

    Maybe others got in unnoticed, maybe they didnt. but if they did, perhaps Donavan Smith wasnt noticed and stopped because hes black, but maybe….just maybe its because hes a 6’6″ 330lb man. Not many people in the entire zip code would stand out apon entry as much as a man the size of D.Smith would. but nah it was probably because hes black..sure.

  10. Diesel Says:

    If you haven’t had the pleasure of meeting D.Smith, he is a very humble and polite human being; very well spoken and never presents himself as a thug or better than anyone else. I’m almost certain D.Smith would not make an issue of this had the dress code been enforced universally.

  11. bigblock690 Says:

    @Jeffbuc Smith said 2 other patrons were wearing basketball jerseys so he thought it was cool to wear a jersey. Instead was turned away for wearing a jersey, how the F can you explain that. Get over yourself.

  12. I know Cody Says:

    Entitled much??? I know the manager there shes not racist she was doing HER JOB enforcing the rules. If she doesn’t do her JOB she gets FIRED…unfortunately you can’t say the same for the Bucs players who can’t sniff the playoffs yet they still get paid. I’m getting sick of these entitled NFL players who seem to be able to set their own rules in life.

  13. Jeffbuc Says:

    @diesel did t see where others were allowed in in same attire. If that is true then that is bs and that place should be boycotted.

  14. Jeffbuc Says:

    I see an 8 on your side investigation coming. And hopefully they catch them red handed on tape doing this. And they get blasted by the media and local patrons.

  15. Jjones Says:

    CreamsicleBananaHammock has the greatest name of all time but, also has the most sensible view point here.

    Racism isn’t dead by any means but we’ve come very very far. That’s no excuse whatsoever, please don’t get me wrong. Also, I don’t know Smith and I don’t know any staff at Shephards, it’s his word vs theirs right now.

    I can say one thing, Smith should’ve taken pictures or at the very least videoed what was happening on his phone, and that’s not a knock on him it just would have cleared alot of this up.

  16. Diesel Says:

    Sure, at his size I could understand D.Smith is most definitely an easy target, that still doesn’t change the fact that others got in in spite of violation of the dress code. If the others weren’t removed, there’s no reason to deny D.Smith and his family entry. And even if D.Smith was denied entry after offering to change clothes, you’ve gotta admit……optics are what they are, and they don’t look good.

  17. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Pablo thinks Donovan Smith wearing the basketball jersey was kept out of the party because his tatas were bigger than the girls…so it was jealousy…not racism”

  18. Kirk Says:

    I wasn’t there so I have dog in the fight. I will say this, racism is rampant in this country. Those whom find players kneeling while the anthem was played to bring attention to a lousy justice system were systematically destroyed on social media and by he who must not be named. These players endured terrible insults, but they continued and I hope they continue to demonstrate. Those waving the flag in one hand and holding the bible in the other somehow have forgotten the part where it says judge not! Practice impersonal goodwill. You don’t have to like someone’s words or actions, just wish them well and move along.

  19. Diesel Says:

    @I know Cody just because that specific manager was not/is not racist doesn’t rule out the establishment having a racial bias altogether. It happens rather you want to accept it or not. I’m curious to know how you gather he’s entitled. Have you spent time with him? Have you taken part in any of his charitable efforts? To speak on a man as if you know his inner desires is not only asinine, it’s flat out wrong –no matter the circumstance.

  20. Diesel Says:

    Well said Kirk.

  21. SCBucsFan Says:

    Racism is improving but expecting it to go away in a generation isn’t going to happen. You cannot ignore the strides made any more then the episodes that still happens.

  22. Hargreaves4President Says:

    Racism is horrible. That said, what is an NFL team or the NFL supposed to do about this? Is the NFL supposed to call up the club and start asking questions and demanding answers? The club would probably tell the NFL to buzz off.

    As for fans yelling horrible things from the stands, what is the NFL supposed to do? Should they have a camera on every section of fans that are within earshot of the players?

    I wish there was an answer I was aware of, but I don’t understand how we can expect the NFL or a team to fix this. I’m open to suggestions if anyone has a solution that would have real results.

  23. AlteredEgo Says:

    Racism is a large scale institutional form of racial dominance …we don’t have that…we legislated that away…it is GONE !
    Racist is an individual act by a person of one race against one of another race….that will never go away…that door swings both ways get over it and avoid those people in your life…get over it

  24. 813bucboi Says:

    smith is a smart person….well educated…..I doubt the dress code was a 3piece suit at a beach party…..and im willing to bet he saw “others” dressed the same way he was……but we’ll never know…..

    @Hawaiian is absolutely right!!!!!!!

    nothing will change because the owners don’t care…..and they don’t care because they aren’t black…..simple as that…..they’ll only take action once they’re pockets get lighter……

    and racism aint in just pro ball….its in little league….high school and definitely college…..

    i went to an HBCU…..we had 1 Spanish kid and 1 white boy…..when we played fsu I remember Jessie being so mad because the fsu fan(white group) were yelling n word…monkey…bubba…during warm ups….he kept saying why are they doing this?…..he yelled back at some a coach let him have it for not being focused…..before kick off he asked why weren’t we mad?….we all said we were livid but we’re all black and we explained that it wasn’t the first time we’ve been called out our name and it wont be the last…..

    I wish I could’ve taken a picture of his face….he was so ashamed and embarrassed that people that looked like him showed so much ignorance and hatred…..

    thanks for letting me know about shephards…..wont go there and I’ll spread the word…..

    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!

  25. Mike Johnson Says:

    WE whites are quick to say something is/was not racist. But we..don’t have to walk around in black skin 24-7 and have no idea what its like. To go into enviroments where you are stared at, made to feel uncomfortable, the looks,,hell, even the words. I can even remember my HS days at Tampa Catholic When I brought my HS wide receiver who was black to our Thankgiving Dinner and some of my relatives turned….a different color! Racism is alive and well and its still sad.
    I won’t go all the way to the White House..That would start an all together different conversation…..

  26. BigHogHaynes Says:

    Its ok we will survive!!

  27. Destinjohnny Says:

    Funny I haven’t been around someone I’ve viewed to be a racist in 10 years
    When I used to see it all the times
    But I hear the word now more then I have at anytime in my life.
    And I know the country isn’t as racist as it used to be. Hell we elected a black pres.
    Just a thought.

  28. Buc4life Says:

    How exactly are we supposed to address racist idiots more than we are? There will always be racism thinking you can regulate it out of existence is almost as idiotic as the racists themselves. At some point the minorities who are college educated millionaires need to turn the other cheek at these morons who are probably of low intellectual capacity, low wage and have some inbreeding in their family tree.

  29. BetterBuccinBelieveIt Says:

    It’s super unfortunate….but @813BucBoi…makes a lot of sense here.

    “nothing will change because the owners don’t care…..and they don’t care because they aren’t black…..simple as that…..they’ll only take action once they’re pockets get lighter……”

    “thanks for letting me know about shephards…..wont go there and I’ll spread the word…..

    I grew up on Indian Rocks Beach, and although Clearwater Beach is just a hop, skip, and a jump down Gulf Blvd., it’s a major shame that a joint like that even maybe acts like that. Salt Rock Grill on Indian Rocks Beach does not.

    Go Bucs!

  30. Diesel Says:

    Come try my shoes on for size @Destinjohnny and we’ll see if you still feel the same way. Just cause you haven’t witnessed it firsthand doesn’t mean it’s not out there, it’s alive and well especially now.

  31. webster Says:

    @ altered

    We legislated racism away? Obviously you have never read up on for profit prisons.

    @ destin

    Electing a black president just means the demographics of this country is different than it used to be. There are not a lot of muslim conservatives seeing how most conservatives want to block them from this country. More people are openly gay and they tend to lean democratic etc. Did you not see all of the people and online post that call michelle obama animal names. Thats as racist as you can get. And lets not get into the names and what was said about obama. I remember many white people saying obama was the lazy typical black man due to the amount of times he played golf. Those same white people have said nothing about the current potus who has already played more golf in his first year than obama played in 8 years. I disagree, electing a black president just showed how racist this country still is.

  32. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    It would be great if racism was eradicated and also, domestic violence, murder, rape, terrorism, sexism, homophobia, hate speech, and all other forms of bigotry were gone……

    It is not a problem solved by Government or the NFL… is only solved in the hearts of individuals…..and that, my friends will take a long, long time.

  33. AlteredEgo Says:

    webster…your mind is poisoned

  34. BushidoEvans Says:

    @Tim come on man, how many “gangbangers” do you think try to get into a place that has a dress code like that? Stop it lol.

  35. webster Says:

    @ altered

    Your mind is closed

  36. DB55 Says:

    If you read their dress code it might as well say no blacks allowed as everything that is restricted is common attire for 1 demographic.

    Same thing happened to me a few years back. We took some friends to Shepard’s but weren’t allowed in bc one of our friends (40yo female) didn’t have her ID. Needless to say another group walked right in with no ID.

    The fact that some people are able to immediately dismiss their actions as non-racist is the essence of white privileged.

    Welcome to the south D. Smith

  37. DB55 Says:

    Racism is a large scale institutional form of racial dominance …we don’t have that…we legislated that away…it is GONE !
    Again white privileged. What do you call the prison industrial complex if not a racist institution? 80% if convicted criminals are black and Hispanic and they get longer sentences than their white counterparts for the same offenses.

    Must be nice living in this post-racism bubble you guys get to live in.

    Look at Puerto Rico vs Houston and the assistance received after the hurricanes. That not racism either right? Smh

  38. Alanbucsfan Says:

    You are right- racism is rampant, and some of the objections to players kneeling during National Anthem was due to racism.
    But there are also those who respect the National Anthem as a show of respect to Veterans. Media showed video of Vietnam War injured or killed, same with Korean War and WWII- but since showing Veteran casualties in media has been outlawed- public, especially younger generation, is less sensitive to meaning of playing National Anthem

  39. Bucnjim Says:

    There will always be pockets of racism from every race color and religion! Having grown up in the restaurant industry though I can assure you 90% of the population in the U.S. could give two Sh!ts what you look like. Now how you act is something completely different but that is not what we are talking about. If you go sit on the patio at Bahama Breeze (or anywhere for that matter) and look around. There is NO ONE who has a problem with ANYONE!

  40. DB55 Says:

    That fact that some of you want Jameis Winston investigated more than you want trump investigated speaks volumes.

    The fact that you’re concerned about Winston being accused of misconduct but at the same time dismiss the grab them by the p****y tape and the other 20-25 allegations against trump speaks volumes.

    Winston’s account is of the upmost importance while trump’s is simply a witch hunt. Think about that.

  41. bucs_365 Says:

    @DB55… right on…

    And yeah, anyone who thinks institutionalized racism has been “legislated” away has been huffing airplane glue.

  42. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    I thought the country had made real progress when a black man was elected president. Now we have an ass clown in office and it seems racism is thriving once again.

  43. Bucnjim Says:


    You are looking at the two extremes far left and far right! Like I said 90% of us are in the middle just trying to make a living and have a little fun while we are at it. Hate consumes the 10% which includes all sides. These people will find someone or something to hate no matter what. Usually the insecurity or dislike that a person has for himself turns into pure hate for everything and everyone.

  44. MadMax Says:

    Jesus….here we go again..smh

  45. Lamarcus Says:

    We just don’t have time to worry about racial discrimination. We are all immigrates. All of us. But if your a basement team player u shall be treated as such.

  46. Diesel Says:

    I wouldn’t say less sensitive @Alanbucsfan; I mean we’re talking about a national anthem that celebrates the death of Af.American slaves fighting for freedom in it’s third stanza. I will say that maybe they aren’t as enthused as in times passed which sucks, but given the world we live in you can’t really be shocked by it.

  47. Dewey Selmon Says:

    gotta ask you 813bucboi, you refer to a Spanish person as a kid and a white person as a boy. Do you think you might be part of the problem also?

  48. Bucnjim Says:

    TD Tampa Bay,

    Please point me to the neighborhood you are referring to so I can see it for myself. Look for yourself and stop with the drama. My friends from every walk of life disagree.

  49. Clodhopper Says:


    I’m happy to report, according to your test, I am NOT racist. I think investigating both of them is a waste of time. I think they are both hero’s. #Woke

  50. BetterBuccinBelieveIt Says:

    Wow, the stupidity of the JBF supposed followers, and bluntness of their ya know, worth…. certainly come out and are (unfortunately) completely present on topics like this, regardless of where anyone lands on the freedom or political stance on this subject. Good lord, all of a sudden, in these responses, football doesn’t mean so much, all of a sudden.

    Good luck y’all.

    Go Bucs! Go Bold! Go Barkley! Go Primetime!

  51. DB55 Says:

    What up Iowa. Missed you bro where you been?

  52. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Tmax was the bouncer. He thought Donovan was GMC.

  53. lambchop Says:


    Must be nice living in that bubble of yours.

    Did anyone else notice Smith said that they would deny him entry even if he changed into “appropriate” attire because he was already seen in the jersey? That gives it away right there what the priority for admission really is. Again, we don’t know things for a fact but if what he says actually happened, then it’s definitely racism.

  54. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    “The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence.”

    And the idiot who said this…Robert E. Lee is still honored across the South for his heroism for in HIS OWN words trying to SUBJUGATE another race. Hell we even have a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest in Memphis the slime who founded the KKK.

    I’m an old white dude who has seen racism my entire life. It went underground…that is to say people were reticent to just let it fly…but in our current environment people have found new permission to march as Nazi’s etc.

    Here is what shocked me about what all of our cultural influences have produced…even in me. So I went to opening night of Black Panther. I enjoyed it except today’s movies…white and black…have interminable fights and long car chases…that bores me…but the rest of the movie let me see a bit of myself.

    I had NEVER been exposed to any art, movies or popular culture where blacks are portrayed as superior…gifted intellectually…the leaders..etc. That movie should not have hit me like that if I hadn’t been raised with such white privilege that I only saw blacks from a certain perspective.

    Most racism, sexism, prejudices of all types are taught. If daddy spews N bombs all day it’s a hard habit to break for some. Others wish to use the fact that just like white folks blacks have their own group of racists who hate whites.

    Both sides like to justify their racism….but there really is NO justification.

    As for the NFL and what they can do about it…TBBF makes a good point that there is evil in the world and the NFL can’t cure it all…no but they can kick out the bad actors! We’ve seen what has happened in places like Oakland when fan violence gets out of hand. I’ve had two horrible experiences at RayJay. Nothing related to fans cheering but young punks….virtually all white…drunk..fueled on testosterone and threatening people simply because they can. Just scum bags. The NFL could start enforcing some minimums of civility. Groups of drunks yelling MFer in front of young kids is not really an enjoyable part of the game.

  55. Clodhopper Says:

    Ive gotten pretty busy lately. I only have time for social politics right now. 😄

    Hope you’re well too!

  56. Couch Fan Says:

    The truth is always somewhere in the middle. You have your head in the sand if you think racism doesnt exist any more. However, every color and race are racist these days. But only whites are being singled out. The rest is being ignored. Most of the race baiting going on today is just racists pointing the finger at other people to validate their own racist views.

  57. donuts Says:

    I am white and I have been denied entry into Shepard’s too. I was denied entry for wearing jeans to special event. It was about 10 years ago so this dress code policy is not new. I am not sure this is racial as much as he didn’t know there was a dress code and was denied much like me.

  58. NOSBOS Says:

    Yo D. Smith,if you haven’t heard it before YouTube Trick Daddy song “Amerikkka”.

  59. Blake_Bucsfan Says:


    When do you plan on sending me that additional 100 dollars you owe me?

  60. SB Says:

    Racism goes both ways and Everyone in the world knows it. Get over it.

  61. Walter Seidel Says:

    Almost like you can’t say anything, unless you’re in line.

  62. webster Says:

    Some white people do not know what racism is. For example, many whites viewed the players kneeling as them hating white america. So excuse me if i dont listen to too many whites when they say racist on both sides. Is that the same thing as there being good people on both sides nazis and those who opposed the nazis? There is a difference.

  63. DB55 Says:


    But did you see others inside with Jeans on? That’s the entire point. Smith said there were others inside with jerseys on and even if he changed to conform to the code the bouncer still wouldn’t let him in.

  64. SB Says:

    Webster, if it was me you were referring to I can tell you that I have been denied access to clubs when I was younger with them telling me Literally ” We don’t allow crackers in here” Anyone that tells me that black people aren’t racist too I stop listening to them immediately!

  65. BigHogHaynes Says:

    SB : they were trying to save your life !!

  66. Destinjohnny Says:

    i have a dream that this country will elect a black president.

  67. SB Says:

    Not to mention that I spent almost 5 years in prison. Talk about racial inequality. I’ve been in the minority.

  68. webster Says:

    @ destin

    We have had 45 presidents!!!! Only one of them was black but yea sure all is well because there was 1 black president. Gtfooh

  69. webster Says:

    Like i said sb many whites do not know what racist means. They think because blacks stomps for equality and social justice that means they hate white people. There are white people who called obama racist and his mother is white and was raised by white grandparents ie the very definition of not knowing what racist means. And im calling bs on your club story. Whats the name of the club and location and what year?

  70. webster Says:

    @ sb

    And that 5 year prison stint you had would have been 15 if you were black so be thankful.

  71. Destinjohnny Says:

    He was actually malodo.
    Not saying it has been perfect, it hasn’t
    But even Stevie wonder can see it’s getting and gotten better through years.
    There are some groups with agendas to make people think it’s still as bad as it was. And, it is nothing close to what it once was. We can all agree it’s not and its getting better.

  72. Architek Says:

    You know it’s hard being a minority in a racist society but there’s no time to have a pity party!

    I think if many people had to face the institutional prejudice miniroties face daily they would cave in and or resort to drastic measures.

    Not all people are racists but the same accountability should be there for fans like that. And people just choose when they want to be patriots. Like a president that gropes and disrespect women, pay off porn stars, and people again are critical of others……

  73. Destinjohnny Says:

    I think racism clearly needs to be addressed but the bigger problem for my black brothers are the fbi stats on
    killings between the ages of 18-24
    Since 2002
    White on white 82
    Hispanic 512
    Black on black 68,229

  74. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    I notice you left out how many of us get killed by law enforcement. That’s what is being protested by BLM.

    White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. That means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

    Wait for it…somebody to blame those stats on black people.

  75. SB Says:

    Webster, I have enjoyed most of your football comments over the years. Let’s just keep our future comments to football. Cool? This isn’t the forum tor the clickbait that Joe threw out here today.

  76. Rod Munch Says:


  77. Destinjohnny Says:

    All I know is I’m horrified by those numbers and it makes me sick to my stomach as an American that so many Americans are dying regardless of color.
    In think it’s sad that it doesn’t faze u even in the slightest

  78. Rod Munch Says:

    StPeteBucsFan – You actually left out a huge factor, whites commit crime at dramatically lower rates than blacks, thus they have dramatically less encounters with police officers and as such the rate at which whites are shot by cops is higher than that of blacks. Also blacks commit 52% of all murder, 56% of all murder, despite being less than 13% of the population and they are at least 3x more likely to commit crime in nearly every category except for drunk driving, it’s literally the only category of crime in which blacks commit crime at a lower rate than their population percentage, so they got that going for them (thanks to the drunken Irish). So then it’s all about poverty, you know because it’s poor people that commit crime… well no, because rural whites are just as poor as inner city blacks yet they don’t commit crime at anywhere close to the same rate. Of course in trailer parks when someone is commiting crime, breaking into peoples cars and making life miserable for everyone the people there cheer when the cops shoot the white trash meth head, so there is very much a cultural difference.

    Also I’ve done DNA testing and it says I’m 2% black so I’m allowed to say all this, I don’t need old white people like you preaching to me about race.

  79. MadMax Says:

    Well alls i knows is when all those viral vids of knockout games was going around, and whites getting jumped by groups of black people, even getting dragged out of their cars and beaten….i didnt see whites doing it to blacks, no viral vids of that so if it happened it wasnt recorded or reported. But that one arsse in charleston did shoot up a black church which was messed up, he needs the same treatment.
    So yeah, its on both sides, dont act like it isnt.

  80. webster Says:

    @ johnny

    You sir are clueless. 89% of black people are killed by other blacks. 84% of whites are killed by whites. That is why when someone is killed, the first people law enforcement look at is family and those who know them. But there is a legal system for citizens who kill other citizens. As a poster already stated, there is a problem when blacks are killed by cops ie those who are sworn to protect and serve and there is no accountability. Oh and i am calling bs on your stat that only 82 white people have been killed since 2002 by a white that was 18-24 years of age. Between all the mass shooting at schools all the way to the guy who was just killed himself after killing his mother and friend shows you its more than 82. Stop with the briebart stats

  81. MadMax Says:

    You bought that test Rod? Shoot, i dont trust those people lol…but good for you.

  82. Buccaneer scotty Says:

    JESUS IS THE ANSWER! Love thy neighbor as thyself

  83. Destinjohnny Says:

    Look em up bro
    Knowledge is power in 2018 when everyone is trying to roll out agendas.
    Be factually informed so u can make honest assessments.
    Hey if the Don was denied entry at shepherds cause he was a brother..
    I won’t go there again. Ever
    I’ll I’m saying is don’t bury your head in sand about what’s really going on.

  84. Capt.Tim Says:

    When your defense is
    “ I wanted to break the rules, because other people were breaking the rules”
    Then your complaint is Bullsh*t.
    Sheperds asked me to change. So I did.
    Because its the rules.

    There is racism in this country.
    There is also alot of whining and crying , by people trying to use their skin color and white guilt, to recieve preferential treatment.

    Big Fan and supporter of Donovan Smith.
    But when the rules, listed on the wall, state” No jerseys”
    Then go change your damn shirt, instead of trying to whine your way in.

    Its really that simple. Accountability instead of entitlement

  85. Capt.Tim Says:

    Sheperds dress code. Posted on wall and website

    No baggy clothes- pants must stay up unassisted
    No undergarments showing including no men’s under-shirts
    No basketball/gym shorts/ jerseys (during Beach Party Sundays or certain special events) No denim on men (during Beach Party Sundays or certain special events)
    No thongs
    No medallion necklaces
    No offensive, drug, or gang related tattoos or clothing

    This is copied off their website.
    I didnt look up their dress code, before arriving. They showed me the rules, do I went and changed.
    What kind if person is shown the posted rules, still tries to argue their way in- then claims its racism when hes not allowed in?

    A person who thinks the rules dont apply to him. Thats who.

  86. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Yes I’m old enough to know I wouldn’t waste a second of energy “preaching” to you. You know it all so why would I bother.

  87. webster Says:

    @ rod

    If you think whites commit crimes at a far lower rates than blacks then i have swamp land to sell you. Blacks go to prison for acts that whites dont even get arrested for. I hang around a lot of whites as well and they do drugs/pills i have never heard of. Blacks are in prison for weed. Stop with the alternative facts.

  88. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I almost avoided this thread because I feared what I would find.

    But I was proud and pleased by the majority of comments. The others were the usual suspects.

  89. JabooBuc Says:

    Capt. Tim again for the win. I don’t anything about Sheperds but have seen their rules clearly stated and read many a tweet from white people tonight that have been refused entry or have been asked to change due to having a jersey on.

    Seems to me if they were really racist then they would deny entry no matter what he was wearing. Had he changed his shirt it sounds like he would have been able to enter and then maybe could have pointed out the others that were inside wearing jerseys.

  90. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    So Capt Tim if you went to Shepherds or wherever and you saw three black folks wearing “unauthorized” gear and you tried to enter with the same gear but were refused you wouldn’t at least question…hey what’s the deal?

  91. Rod Munch Says:

    MadMax – DNA testing is interesting, as more and more people get tested the results become more defined, plus it shows you people you’re related to, etc. I bought it early on and it’s pretty remarkable how far it’s come in a short period of time.

  92. gotbbucs Says:

    Blabbing on social media won’t help a damn bit.

    Is there still racism? Duh.

    Nothing in this generation will stop that. The generation Z kids might stand a chance at working on it, but that’s only if the world quits posting sh!t like this on social media.

    Everyone needs to grow up. That goes for all nationalities.

  93. webster Says:

    @ capt tim

    If smith saw white people with team jerseys on then the dress code you posted is BS. The dress code should read you can wear a team jersey unless you are black which means the dress code is racist.

  94. TampaTown Says:

    I’m not trying to be a wise guy here but I honestly feel that at least alittle bit of the problem is that no one at Shepard’s recognized the starting left tackle for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And yes I feel he should have been admitted for that reason alone regardless of what he was wearing. It’s good for business! It drives me nuts and why no one considers this a sports town.

  95. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    I’m more optimistic than you about how much longer this lasts. Seeing Black Panther was pretty amazing for me. I’m the old guy here..70..and I’ve never seen anything like it.

    But here is what is moving all of these isms….too many families have now experienced intermarriage in all combos…black/white/hispanic/asian/gays in the family. My sister adopted three kids…the last was black…I have a black niece.
    My wife’s brother also adopted two kids one of whom was black.

    The more people live with each other they begin to see reality. And the reasons for racism are not real. We have a person here who just claimed because they had 2% AA blood they understood the black experience. Yeah I used to get really tan and…..LMAO

  96. Drew aka q Says:

    Google shephards beach resort … click on images and you will see white people with jerseys on smdh

  97. webster Says:

    @ capt tim

    Btw….when an establishment says no baggy clothes, who do you think they are talking to? When they say no medallion necklaces, who do you think they are talking to? Because white people think all black people in baggy clothes (which was so late 90’s/mid 2000’s) and medallions are “thugs”. That was just a fashion style for that era. What if they said no suits or sweaters? You know because bernie madoff wore suits. He was a criminal. All men that wear suits are criminals? Jared from subway wore sweaters. All men in sweaters are pedophilles? He was a criminal. Some in white america try to exclude blacks from the start and thats why alteredego post about racism was done away with legislatively was crazy talk. Blacks were banned from establishment because the fashion at that time was baggy clothes as if baggy clothes or medallion meant “thug”. A suit? Come right on in eventhough you just stole $500,000 from an 75 year old lady. Gtfooh

  98. webster Says:

    And i meant because some white people see blacks in baggy clothes and medallion necklases

  99. Eric Says:

    i find it very hard to believe there are not a ton of people at shepherds that violate that dress code.

    And Webster has a good point the baggy pants thing is an affront to some black folks who wear their pants below their underwear.

    Admittedly, I don’t get that, and personally think it looks atrocious. But I’m a 56 year old white guy. Of course there are a lot of white folks that wear their pants way too high, and shorts with silk socks. Fashion is in the eye of the beholder.

    I’m troubled by the implications of that dress code. It seems racially oriented to me. I suspect Smith is correct.

  100. passthebuc Says:

    you cannot legislate against hate.

    They’re rioting in Africa
    They’re starving in Spain
    There’s hurricanes in Florida
    And Texas needs rain
    The whole world is festering with unhappy souls
    The french hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles
    Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch
    And I don’t like anybody very much!!
    But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud
    For man’s been endowed with a mushroom-shaped cloud
    And we know for certain that some lovely day
    Someone will set the spark off
    And we will all be blown away!!
    They’re rioting in Africa
    There’s strife in Iran
    What nature doesn’t so to us
    Will be done by our fellow man

    Kingston Trop 1959
    60 years ago and nothing has changed

  101. webster Says:

    @ eric

    When i say baggy clothes, i dont mean clothes below the underwear. In the the late 90’s/early 2000’s, baggy clothes was just baggy without underwear showing. The underway faze showing happenend much later and i found that crazy and im black. My dad wears his pants way too high but he is almost 70. That was the era/fashion in the 60’s/70’s. I grew up in the era where my pants were not as high as yours or my dads but baggy. Some white people just assumed that meant people like me were up to no good which is crazy. I knew white people that wore runover sperrys and faded kackyies with holes that were the biggest criminials but they were never turned away from a club. Thats the definition of racism.

  102. Eric Says:

    Back in the day when I made the rounds I used to frequent shepherds quite often.

    Frankly, I am shocked they have a dress code. It’s a dang beach bar.

    I’ve got half a mind to go over there with some super baggy pants, a basketball jersey, and some medalions.

    Your undershirt can’t show? WTF.

    I’d wager a huge amount of money nobody would say a word.

  103. Capt.Tim Says:

    If Donavan Smith saw people wearing jerseys, on the day he was denied entry, he would have done what every Fu*king human being in this country does- in a New York Minute.

    He would of taken out his phone- and taken Pictures. Then posted them on utube.

    Drew. Try reading the rules more S-L-O-W-L-Y. Jerseys are banned on Sundays.
    Not being able to read means you are being discriminated against because youbare dumb. Not your skin color. Sooo, not Racism

    I look very much the part of a White guy. Showed up in a Magic Jersey, expensive watch, ring etc.
    normal wealthy white guy on a Sunday. Sherperds told me to change( politely), Due to their dress code.
    My Wife was a young, dark skinned Spanish woman. They waved her right in.

    Again, as is usually the case- I think Donovans case is more entitlement than Racism- based on how I was treated.

    Again- As any regular here knows, I am a fan of Donavans. And if Im wrong, I apologize

  104. Mike Johnson Says:

    Racism is alive and strong in this america. And it entends all the way up to our..current President of the United States.

  105. BucTrooper Says:

    Shut up, Mike. The President of BET came out and said black people have never had it better.

  106. webster Says:

    @ buc tropper

    The ceo of bet is a white man. And just because “black people” have never had it better does not mean they have equal opportunity or they are treated the same. Thats like your captor feeding you once a week and then started feeding you 3 times a week and saying you never had it better. Is still not right. Gtfooh

  107. Greecosuave Says:

    I believe in fan responsibility. Just because you buy a game ticket doesn’t mean you now have the right to act like an animal.

  108. Jonny 2.2 Says:

    His word vs theirs. I will believe in the negative (racism did not happen) until presented with evidence.

  109. BucTrooper Says:


    I stand corrected. “bet’s FOUNDER.” Wrong title. And he thanked Trump for getting black people back to work. So tell your mythical stories of the racist president elsewhere because they’re not true.

  110. I Bleed Pewter and Red Says:

    A friend of mine is a part financial investor in Shephard’s and when I saw this article about Smith I asked him if he had direct knowledge of the incident. Not only does he have direct knowledge but has video footage of the encounter with Smith and family. It all stemmed from a dress code violation where it clearly states on a board when you walk in. Smith got belligerent about it and demanded of because who he is, it should be over looked and he be given special treatment. But keeping with the rules, he was still denied entry, and from there it escalated into racist accusations. Not true. He said if Buc officials want to review the tape that he has no problem with that and still stands by his company’s dress code policy.

  111. Walter Seidel Says:

    Well Joe…………thanks (not) for transforming a sports blog into a political Facebook.

  112. Clodhopper Says:

    I’m old enough to remember the Joes and Ira mentioning at least a dozen times last year how Smith was a disrespectful arsehole to his fellow teammates and the media and the organization by leaving his radio loud after being told to turn it down multiple time. Sounds like the kinda guy who thinks he’s above everyone else and has his own rules. I’m sure he was just as charming as Jameis that night tho. No way that’s it though cuz, you know, whitey or something.

  113. 813bucboi Says:

    Dewey Selmon Says:
    April 10th, 2018 at 6:39 pm
    gotta ask you 813bucboi, you refer to a Spanish person as a kid and a white person as a boy. Do you think you might be part of the problem also?

    nawl breh…..a boy and a kid are basically the same thing….young adults….we were all 18,19 years old boys or kids…..

    what you are referring to is when a grown man 30+years old calls another grown man 30+years old a boy….that’s a problem…..

    nice try tho…….

    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!!

  114. Pickgrin Says:

    So Donovan is claiming once again that he is “physically incapable of playing on the right side” (of the Shepards dress code)….

  115. webster Says:

    @ buc trooper

    I wont even get into this president. If you believe he is great then cool for you. I will let that be your and the 35% who support him be you guys little secret. Good luck with that.

  116. Dewey Selmon Says:

    hey bucboi, what years did you play ball at your HBCU ( i’ve never heard a person say this) normally they say what school they went to. i’m smelling horse sheet.

  117. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I used to live in what could be considered a bad neighborhood of Tampa. I got pulled over all the time when driving around there. Was it racial profiling? No. I’m White.

    But if a person of color was pulled over, he cried racism.

    It was not his race, it was the high crime rate in that area. The cops made their presence known to everyone.

    In this case, Smith was not dressed according to the rules of entry. Period. It had nothing to do with race, unless there is more to the story.

    If I try walking into a store that has a sign posted no shoes, no shirt, no service and they throw me out because I am not wearing shoes or a shirt, that’s not racism. The same goes for a black man dressed the same way.

    Being a person of color is not a justification to break the rules. Period. Crying wolf is part of the problem. If so many people did not cry wolf these days, things would not be so convoluted.

    As to the Murphy comments and the NFL not addressing the fans at other stadiums, what exactly can the NFL do? The speakers are mixed in with a group of other fans. How do you single them out? And even if they did, what could they do? Toss them out? Guess what? Those same people will still be racists.

    There was nothing the NFL could do…other than release a public statement…and they have spoken against racism multiple times. Heck…they even added the Rooney Rule.

  118. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    BucTrooper Says
    “Shut up, Mike. The President of BET came out and said black people have never had it better.”

    Now I’ll address the other side of things.

    After living so long in Tampa, I figured racism was mostly dead. Then I moved to Virginia…and shortly after getting a house there, a mixed couple move into another house down the street.

    You would not believe the racist comments made by the other people on the street. This was 20 years ago, but my wife and I were shocked.

    Just because you do not see racism, that does not mean it doesn’t exist. That;s why it is important to not cry wolf in these situations. You cannot address the real problems if you are chasing ghosts.

  119. Mike Johnson Says:

    I knew somebody would be drawn out. Up from the sewer cometh BucTrooper completely outfitted in Nazi attire defending racism. The sooner is bigoted administration is ousted, the quicker the far right extreme racist can go back to the bowels of the sewers.

  120. grafikdetail Says:

    that place is known for having selective dress code enforcement… heard too many complaints & seen a few videos floating around of certain people being denied & them panning to others with the same attire allowed in… and not talking about “gang banger” attire either… normal preppy looking shoes, shorts & plain t-shirts

  121. unbelievable Says:

    Anyone who thinks racism is no longer an issue is this country is either an idiot or a liar.

    Now I’m not saying that’s what happened in this particular situation w/ D. Smith, because i wasn’t there so I have no idea. Just like none of you do either.

  122. BucTrooper Says:

    Never defended racism, Mike Johnson. Never defended it at all. And learn your history. Nazi were leftists. They were the national socialist workers party. But you have the FOUNDER of the largest minority-entertainment television network praising the president. I’m sorry, I’m taking his word of yours considering you’ve got NOTHING backing up anything you say… which is typical of the Left. Backed into a corner? Scream racism.

  123. 813bucboi Says:

    Bethune cookman college……now Bethune cookman university…..
    you want to know my address and social too?….a$$hole!!!!!

    why would be make up a story about a sensitive topic like racism……obviously, if your not part of the solution, your part of the problem…..

    I know what side of the fence your on…..

    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!

  124. since1976GoBucs Says:

    the POTUS is a racist. When you say FINE PEOPLE on BOTH SIDES after the murder in Charlottesville-that is textbook racism at it’s ugliest and it’s worst , just happened to come out of the mouth of POTUS. If you defend POTUS you are also a racist. Period.

  125. DB55 Says:

    Capt Tim

    You really are stupid aren’t you? You’re talking about reading comprehension and obvious you can’t read for chit. Donovan clearly says in the tweet that he would be denied entry even if he changed. So you the self-described “rich white man” can change and gain entry but the actually rich black man can not. What do you call that you dumb country bumpkin?

  126. Pruritus Ani Says:

    This is all a bunch of nonsense. I don’t know what else the league can do or say to show inclusiveness. If one believes the league and the owners are all racist, quit and boycott the league. Give back every dime you have earned and find another profession. Otherwise if you knowingly support and work for such a racist organization, that makes you a hypocrite.