Develop And Ditch?

March 13th, 2018

Fat new deal

Count this in the Jason Licht loss column.

The mighty Bucs defense in the second half of the 2016 season had one consistent starter at safety.

Now that guy has been shown a fortune by Pete Carroll, after earning it last year.

Joe’s talking about 27-year-old Bradley McDougald, who was a 2013 Mark Dominik signing before becoming a favorite son of Lovie Smith. Then McDougald was a solid 16-game starter for the Bucs in 2016, before he was allowed to walk in free agency.

The Seahawks bit on a one-year deal and now McDougald has a new three-year contract worth more than $4 million per season, aka T.J. Ward money.

Here’s a quote from Carroll talking about what he saw on McDougald’s Bucs film.

“It was exactly what we had hoped for,” Carroll said of McDougald last season as he transitioned from starting at free safety to strong safety. “We had seen great versatility in him and playmaking and leadership and all that kind of cool stuff that you hope to see, and when he got here, he just proved it. So he has been able to play nickel, he has played the big nickel, and he has just been able to do everything on special teams and be a leader and all of that. So he has been a fantastic addition and a little bit of an unsung hero at this time for this season, that he has been able to be so versatile and be so successful at what he is doing.”

Last season, iconic Seahawks safeties Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor had their share of injuries and McDougald shined in their absence. Seattle finished with the NFL’s 11th-ranked defense, while the Bucs were ranked last.

80 Responses to “Develop And Ditch?”

  1. Lamarcus Says:


  2. Lamarcus Says:

    Proven theory. Players get better after they leave here. It’s a guarantee bet

  3. Bculaw Says:

    Eh. Pete has a super bowl ring and multiple SB appearances. What does he know?

    Around here, we like to create holes where none exist and ignore the glaring holes that have existed for a decade. I like Evans, but Lord knows that 2nd round pick could’ve filled a hole at D-line, or even landed a game changer at RB.

  4. TVD head ball coach Says:

    Big mistake letting this man walk.
    Third leading tackler on the team in 2016.
    Nobody beat Mcdougald over the top!

  5. ndog Says:

    Star L. just agreed to terms with the Bills so there he goes. Man what is this team doing, it is getting late really quick for this regime.

  6. mike10 Says:

    Licht sucks. His W-L as Bucs GM feels like 5-11

  7. rrsrq Says:

    yep, Yep – a day in the life of Bucs fan, couldn’t figure out how we let him walk last year when the defense was on the upswing for a brief stint in 2016 he was a big part of that working with Tandy, but…

  8. darin Says:

    Coaching issue. These guys cant develop in these systems. Reminding me of the Lovie era when no matter who he had they were never good enough for his system. So do we keep funneling players in and out or make the easy fix and replace the staff? I know which one I’d go with.

  9. R.O. Says:

    Seriously Crying over Bradley McDougle? A whopping 50 solo Tackles and zero interceptions last year. That’s what you are whining about?

  10. No_Bucs_Given Says:

    Maybe he started looking amazing playing behind an actual DLINE

  11. Nick2 Says:

    I am concerned about development too. Hargreaves had too good of a college career to be a bust. The man played press corner and we have him 20 yards off the line saying he cant cover and will be relegated to nickle.

  12. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I hated that they let Bradley McDougald go. While we don’t know the real reason he was let go, it just seemed wrong to me.

    Certainly a mistake in my book without having more knowledge of the situation.

    Congrats to Bradley McDougald, who never stopped working hard to prove himself.

    However, using this as a condemnation of the teams ability to develop players is sort of out of wack, since they’ve just resigned Brate, who they developed as a tight end.

    And so far as Safety goes, Justin Evans had a better rookie year than Bradley McDougald’s first three years combined. So far, he’s proven to be better than Bradley McDougald…even though the impatient fans want to replace him.

  13. Bama Rich Says:

    I agree with No_Bucs_Given, no DB in the league can cover WRs without some hint of a pass rush

  14. ndog Says:

    Also on Bradley he was a good young player who was not a all pro but was a good role player that again was young. Why you let him walk out the door and replace him with TJ Ward that is beyond stupid.

  15. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    ndog Says
    “Star L. just agreed to terms with the Bills so there he goes. Man what is this team doing, it is getting late really quick for this regime.”

    Free agency has not even started yet. Giving up picks in trades is a horrible idea, and 7 out of 10 times in only benefits the teams that receives the picks.

    Seeing activity does mean you are seeing success.

  16. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Also, TJ Ward was not Bradley’s replacement. Justin Evans was.

  17. I'm a Tandyman Bucs Fan Says:

    Yep the Einstein’s of the Buc Organization are going to let another one walk (Tandy) and he will do the same thing. Maybe all these people that get better when they leave the Bucs were actually as good and talented before they left but the Coaching staff just didn’t know talent and how to Coach Em Up like the people that go to do???????? I may be wrong but I may not!!! Going to be an interesting next couple days. Hell Licht might get fired before the season even starts!!!

  18. doolnutts Says:

    We always do this… And there is no excuse… We had how many millions in cap last year? We could currently have him starting next to Evans and S would be a none issue. But here we are again filling holes due to our own faults….

  19. webster Says:

    Wow. We are crying over bradley mcdougal? Ofcourse pete carroll said all this great stuff. Kam chancellor may not ever play again, they cut sherman, traded bennett, trying to trade earl thomas so ofcourse you are going to pay mcdougal rotational salary. 4 mil a year? Conte makes 2.5. Ward actually made 5 mil. You know your fan base is clueless when they cry over losing mcdougal but bash licht for resigning the qbs security blanket. Smdh. We did not resign the future hall of fa…i mean the perennial all pro…… i mean we did not resign the pro bo…..i mean we did not resign the potential special teams player of the week for week 7 in bradley mcdougal. Licht should be ashamed. You guys are funny.

  20. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:


    Didn’t mean to single your comments out. Not a personal attack against you. I just read your comments and offered my opinion on the topics.

    So please don’t hunt me down and beat me up…. 😉

  21. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I bet the Seahawks trade up in the first round to get a DE.

  22. ndog Says:

    No worries Bonzai, but Star did sign as a free agent so no picks were given up and regardless of who Evans was meant to replace would you rather have Bradley playing and bringing a positive influence to this team or the late hit bad attitude Ward playing and complaining non stop? Our safeties are pretty much interchangeable so we could have easily played with Evans and Bradley.

  23. webster Says:

    Let me know when an offense scheme for bradley mcdougal. This stupid fan base doesnt even know who to whine about. These goodie two shoes idiots loved to see talib and blount leave. Idiots, these are the type of players that actually help win superbowls and keep opposing coordinators up at nights but you cheered when they were traded. Yet you silly fools cry for mcdougal who you dont even scheme for? This fan base. No one outside of tampa and seattle knows who bradley mcdougal is .

  24. 813bucboi Says:

    I thought he was developing nicely…..will always remember that pick vs dallas…..

    we went to that game with a couple of dallas fans and I fully enjoyed talking trash during and after the game….lol….

    imagine him and j.evans… problem solved…..

    good luck Bradley…..

    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!

  25. ndog Says:

    Webster teams don’t scheme for all 11 players on defense you need good role players who are good teammates and do their job. Bradley was just that. If you want 11 players on defense that teams have to scheme for them go back to playing Madden.

  26. Lamarcus Says:

    Yeah I’m crying over mcdougald. I got to watch the TRUCK STICK absorbing Conte for another year.

  27. B Coburn Says:

    So yeah. .. we talk about saving all this money every year and signing giys to 2nd contracts. Sure we sign big no brainders like evans and brate but then we let young promising role players like this go. He didn’t just get better under new coaching, you could see when hr wax here he had talent. We then bring in both ward and Wilcox. ..noy ad bad as Bennett or Blount but we seem to love letting talent out the door that wouldn’t even break thr bank. Not everyone needs to be a pro bowler to resign..I hear we are likely letting McDonald go now too…

  28. LA Bucs Fan Says:

    McDougald was our best safety when we let him go. Just like Bennett was our best d lineman and Blount our best back. When all these players were let go for nothing, fans cried foul. It’s a sad situation when those that make millions supposedly trying to field the best team possible can’t make the most obvious of decisions.

  29. tmaxcon Says:

    same people pissed off and the same low standard fans trying to justify another glazer mistake…. it must get tiring defending an organization that is the definition of pure failure. keep it up guys keep lowering the bar

  30. GhostofSchiano Says:


    Title should read…”Ever growing loss column”

  31. Pickgrin Says:

    Bucs had seen enough and felt UDFA McDougald had pretty much reached his ceiling and it wasn’t good enough. We already had 2 good back-up level safeties in Conte and Tandy and didn’t need to pay a 3rd back-up level safety who was not deemed as good as the other two and who also likely felt he was worth a big raise for some reason. So they let Bradley go… to crickets.

    It wasn’t just the Bucs that took a pass – every other team in the NFL looked at his 3 years of tape and said – “No Thanks”.

    McDougald was on the open market for 5 weeks last spring before Seattle offered him a 1 year $1.5M “prove it” deal.

  32. Mike Johson Says:

    One caveat missing here..Pete Carroll is light yrs ahead of Koetter in his thinking and player coaching.. He’s another one of those coaches who gets the maximum out of average/slightly above average players. His teams are full of low rd draft choices. and they plug right in and get her done. Congrats to McDougald. Make your paper son. Cheap Bucs were not gonna pay you stay or go. Now Buc fans..Kick back and watch this kid Shine in Seattle. BucLife baby!

  33. BrianBucs Says:


  34. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Running back Peyton Barber has re-signed with the Bucs.

  35. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Charles Sims is a free agent. Will we see a deal with him too, or will Licht upgrade his spot with someone better at what he does, such as Jerick McKinnon?

  36. DoSomething Says:

    Licht would be a hell of a head scout but needs to give up being a GM with full personnel choice

  37. ndog Says:

    Pickgrin your missing the point. We have tons of holes why create another one by letting Bradley walk? We went out and got JJ Wilcox who we trade for nothing then sign a locker room pot head in Ward who made us worse at the position. See this is the problem good teams don’t create holes for no reason. This is the same as letting Donald Penn or Mason Foster go. There is no good reason to create holes on a team that is FULL OF HOLES ALREADY!!!!!! Now we have twice the amount of holes and complain that we cant fix them all at once. Sound familiar?

  38. I'm a Tandyman Bucs Fan Says:

    Allright Mike Johnson. I totally agree with you on the Carrol/ Koetter Coaching comparison. Carrol is a mega motivator and Koetter is lost in the dark. I have said it now for 2 years Koetter is not the Coach that needs to be leading this Bucs Team. Hopefully his consistency of not being consistent (Other than his Lame Play Calling) will finally get his ass canned!!!! Hope Licht and Smith are on the Boat with him when it leaves harbor!!!!!!

  39. tmaxcon Says:


    you are wasting your breathe sir…. bonzi, webster and a few others are 100% convinced the bucs and glazers are perfect and that all these players that we have been losing with are keepers and anyone that leaves is hot garbage. They are incapable of accepting reality

  40. tmaxcon Says:


  41. Easy Denman Says:

    LOL McDougald was an average at best safety.

  42. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Contrary to what the ignorant, under-educated trolls might claim, we do not feel the Bucs are perfect. We do not feel the staff is perfect. And we do not feel any player on the team is perfect.

    We just understand how development works.

    And how trolls and haters behave. They like to attack others so that eyes of readers don’t actually focus on their comments too long, or they might be exposed.

    I mean, take TMax and his hillbilly self. While he’s not giving the swines living in his front yard unwanted attention, he is posting here. And if you pull up 50 of his comments…well…he’s exposed…which is something he only likes to do to his pigs.

  43. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Meh I don’t miss him. He’s not a full time starter really still more of a specialist there and we don’t run a “big nickle” formation or whatever it is Seattle uses him in.

    He also got to play on a team with a top 5 type pass rush vs bottom 5 pass rush. Pretty sure that makes a difference. He was still a huge liability in coverage here imo and not reliable going forward

  44. tmaxcon Says:

    Buccaneer Bonzai

    nice try. I appreciate the assumptions of my life they are about as accurate as your bucs takes so keep the entertainment coming…

    your understanding of development is SPOT ON…. 16 years still trying to develop and 16 years of you still making excuses for failures.

  45. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    tmaxcon Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
    “I like pigs, They feel soft. and they squeal loudly.”

  46. tmaxcon Says:


    again love it… keep it coming

    if you get a chance and can stop deflecting from the real issue at hand which is your non stop attempts to justify failures please explain how a team that has not won a single meaningful game in 16 years has hope when they have not made a single move to improve roster or organization.

  47. webster Says:

    @ ndog

    Wow. I didnt know all 11 players wasnt schhemed for. You dont say? Only idiot fan bases cry over replaceable role players is my point. Jj wilcox, mcdougal equals potatoe potatow. You cant just replace a talib. I will let you idiots cry for potatow

  48. johnnybuc Says:

    i remember when he signed with seattle last season many sites this one included went on about how mcdougald was a replacement level starter and the fact that he didn’t generate any real attention on the open market proved that. that all may be true but every single site i saw report about it failed to mention that the bucs resigned the worst safety of the two and yet the younger more talented player walk. (conte/mcdougald) this staff and front office has a serious problem finding and developing talent and a lot of spots but safety has to be close to the top of that list. i mean there’s no other way to explain the idiotic rotation they had going on last season & letting mcdougald walk for chump change when we have basically no starting level talent on the roster at the position. mind boggling really. i really hope for some of the players on this team that this staff can get it together and figure it out because unfortunately for them the overall success of the team is directly tied to how they are viewed around the league and the pay day they will eventually get (jameis)

  49. JonBuc Says:

    With Buccaneer Browneye/Bonzeye declaring insider status while calling any disgruntled fans who aren’t happy with a .333 winning/losing percentage teolls/haters/losers etc.-take a peak at his “resumè”:
    -recently declared L.David a 2nd round bust but not Agua-Oh-No!
    -thinks the current roster is on the cusp of greatness
    -is kissing Buc media berries in hopes of being hired for ANYTHING ( janitorial)
    – comes from an EMO/Elf Erotica “writer” background…with a fossil/Golden Girl jumping on a trampoline featured there…it’s crazy/creepy

  50. The Buc Realist Says:

    If Bradley McDougald was with the Bucs, they still would be looking for an upgrade!!!!! glad he got a chance to start over many injured players, But no fan should be crying over the lose of B McDougald!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!

  51. tmaxcon Says:

    The Buc Realist

    i agree with your take if it was just bradley mcdougal but it’s the pattern the glazers have demonstrated allowing regime after regime to run off talented players for whatever BS reason. there is a reason this team has not competed in 16 years and has the worst winning percentage in nfl history.

  52. uckinator Says:

    Wow – 16 years without playing a significant game. I’m the moron watching every game either at RayJ, home, or the local watering hole expecting a different result. As Lenin said about the liberals in the US helping him in Russia at the turn of the century, we’re all a bunch of useful idiots ! The Glazers are laughing up a storm looking up in the sky saying “See Daddy, we can make money too.”

  53. webster Says:


    Its official . You are an idiot. You get mad at licht and the glazers for signing pro bowlers and all pros and you say they dont want to win. Then you bash them for letting go a role player no other fan base knows but the bucs and half of seattle’s base? Did the bucs cry for getting rid of dexter jackson the safety? No, his and mcdougal’s talent can be duplicated in the 6th round of the draft. You are so clueless that you are arguing out both sides of your mouth and you dont even know it. Classic idiot buc fan

  54. tmaxcon Says:


    i am not arguing both sides of my mouth. the point you miss is the results. i only care about resutls everything else is meaningless BULLSH!T…. the point you miss the talented pro bowlers you mentioned FAILED miserably in tampa.. everyone fails miserably in tampa caches, players and front office. THE RESULTS PROVE IT…. it does not matter if they sign talent or let talent go the consistent is the talent they sign regresses the and the talent they release flourish. this organization is joke and complete failure no matter how you twist. the results are all the matter and the results are f**king pathetic.

  55. Rod Munch Says:

    Wait until the same thing happens with Tandy…

    Meanwhile the Bucs will still play Conte and he’ll still be the worst starting safety in football.

  56. Pickgrin Says:

    LC says:
    “He was still a huge liability in coverage here imo and not reliable going forward”

    There’s the bottom line. Anyone crying that we don’t have McDougald anymore is just looking for things to whine about. Conte was/is better than McDougald. And you don’t want either starting if you can help it.

    Justin Evans is the future and we need to find a stud SS somewhere and retain Conte and Tandy as solid to excellent back-ups.

    Derwin James has to be a consideration if we were to move down a few spots in the 1st and possibly even at 7 if Chubb, Nelson and Barkley are off the board with no trade down offers. I would take James over Minkah if you want a bad ass safety. Would take Ward over Minkah if you want a stud CB.

  57. jmarkbuc Says:

    Bottom line is… it doesn’t matter what free agents we sign or how many “great” players we draft. This organization has not shown the aptitude to develop and/or coach them. Until we have a coaching staff, it doesn’t matter who you bring in (or lose)

  58. webster Says:

    Let me get this straight. So the bucs signing vjax, goldson, nicks, djax, verner who was a previous pro bowler, trading for Revis, signing michael johnson ie rated the best pass rusher on the market is called 2nd tier to the idiot tmax but he bashes for bucs for losing mcdougal? You cant make this stuff up. Its official, tmax is an idiot. We would be 10-6 with mcdougal. You are clueless

  59. webster Says:

    @ tmax

    If you only care about results then how can you bash the bucs getting rid of mcdougal? Did i miss the mcdougal led bucs where they were constantly in the playoffs? He was on the same losing squad and brought even less things to the table to talk about. Yes, you are talking out of both sides of your clueless mouth

  60. 813bucboi Says:

    some of you fans are clueless……this situation is Bennett 2.0……letting a good player walk for no good reason……then we struggle for years to find his replacement……

    now we’re in the offseason still needing a DE and safety……when will this staff learn…..hopefully when they get canned!!!!!!!!!

    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!

  61. Owlykat Says:

    McDougal was a very good tackler and it was another stupid Licht error in letting him walk. No wonder we were so inept stopping the run last year. But don’t forget Licht’s statement before the draft acknowledging that the fans wanted him to pick FSU’s RB Cook but his job is to pick the players to get us to the playoffs and that was what he was going to do. Remember. The Glazers should have evaluated his failure to do so and fired him last year. I said right after the last draft that every GM in our Division did better than Licht. His failure doomed us to to the basement of our division. He was no proven GM when he was hired, and he was a NOMAD as a scout. First and foremost we must get a proven GM. Look how the Jaguars turned around after they got an expert in picking talent who knew it starts with the trenches.

  62. TeddyTB Says:

    Listen Dog & tmaxx are right! There was no reason to let him go & keep trash Chris conte, gigantic mistake

  63. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Man we’ve become such whiners about talent hits and misses…and EVERY team has them. Remember Tom Brady didn’t go until the 6 round.

    And so we whine when one of our former players turn out better somewhere else.
    So the day after Cam Brate signs a big deal we’re whining over McDougal?

    Are New Orleans fans griping over having Brate and then letting him go?

    Our draft picks have been excellent…our UDFA discoveries have also been terrific…our NFL FA pickups…not so much. This is why I’m having trouble getting jacked over FA….we simply do not come up with difference makers like Brate. Although I concede Grimes has been a good deal and I like McDonald but out draft pick have overwhelmed our FA picks which is why I’m more excited about the draft and call me weird but I’m also excited by UDFA’s…Licht seems to have a pretty good skill set there.

  64. Tony from Los Angeles Says:

    Face it everyone…

    We do not have a good GM.

    Look at how quickly the Rams, Jags, and Eagles got their acts together. Let’s all marvel as the Browns leap past thenBucs due to all of the assets they’ve put together.

    He had opportunities this offseason to trade or sign stud All-Pro talents in their primes and came up empty. They also haven’t seemed to be the lead franchise going after any of the big names thus far.

    But remember… this 5-11 team is “so close” to greatness, they don’t need to make splash moves.

    Meanwhile – all the 11-5 and better teams (Jags, Rams, Eagles) are making splash move after splash move after splash move.

    I would say the Licht has blown out, but then, was it ever really lit to begin with?

    Bad GM = Bad team


  65. Rod Munch Says:

    Pickgrin – Conte is/was better? You also probably think OJ is innocent. LOL!

  66. 813bucboi Says:


    N.O. isn’t crying about brate because A.) their winning and B.) that isn’t a position of need…..

    in regards to licht, settling for his inabilities to hit on FA’s is an losers mentality…..we expect players to get better each year…..we expect coaches to coach better each year…..why cant we expect the GM to draft better or obtain good FA’s each year?…..

    just because you fail at something once or even twice doesn’t mean you give up…..instead of running from FA or going into FA with thinking about the FA’s that failed you in the past, you figure out what went wrong, form a plan on how to get better and execute it……

    licht runs, falls down and never wants to run again…..he completely fine walking…..

    it is what it is tho…..walk around this offseason and he along with dirk and smitty will get run out of town…..

    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!

  67. JimmyJack Says:

    Well let’s all remember one thing. Seattle really seems to be in a downward trend. Their defense is nowhere near where there once were. They have released many of their biggest players and missed the playoffs last year. While Seattle was a team to be jealous of a few years ago their run very well may be over.

    I did like McDougal here but whenever I watched Seattle last year I didn’t see him doing anything special. Of course I only saw a sample size. My wager is if we can’t find another Safety to pair with Evans nobody’s going to give a crap about not having McDougal.

  68. Rod Munch Says:

    Rod Munch Says:
    March 22nd, 2017 at 8:04 pm
    So the Bucs traded in the better of their two starters for a backup in Dallas. Ugh. Wow. I must say I’m pretty disappointed with this offseason – and no a 6th round comp pick next year isn’t going to make me feel any better.


    From last years thread when he left and (a few) people were celebrating saying now the Bucs would get a 3rd round comp pick this year. Also wow, my negative post overvalued things, I thought the Bucs would get a 6th round comp pick and we got a 7th.

  69. Rod Munch Says:

    JimmyJack – No one is saying he’s special, he was just a solid starter that filled a need. You need those guys to build a roster, and the Bucs could have kept him for fairly cheap, but instead they kept Chris Conte, who is terrible. The Conte-Ryan Smith stack has to be the worst S-CB in the history of the game – I wish someone had access to the passer rating when throwing against those two, I’d bet my house that for starters they’d be the worst combo in recorded history.

  70. pick6 Says:

    the depth would be nice but his contracts say he wants to be paid as a presumptive starter and the team opted to make that commitment to conte instead. unfortunate, but i think chris conte would\could have earned a similar deal in seattle if he had been the one the bucs let go. can’t always get mad at licht for not caving to the demands of mid-range players. mcdougald went all in on demanding a multi year deal and when tampa didn’t budge he had to follow through on his agent’s ultimatum and take his skills elsewhere

  71. JimmyJack Says:

    Munch…..You don’t seem to understand the difference between backups and starters. It’s kinda irrevelant to compare McDougald to Conte because Bradley is a starter and Conte a backup. Ryan Smith is another backup.

    You bang way to hard on R.Smith who was learning CB as a fourth rounder for the first time in the NFL and started the season as our #3-4CB. The plan for him was to never have to use him for much more then a handful of snaps.

    Same with Conte. The guy is a reliable backup with good hands and awareness. The plan is not to have him starting, how many 10?, games for you.

    Personally If I’m going to be upset with our CB and S positions the first thing I get upset about is how bad Ward was and how bad VHIII was.

    I’ll also get upset that Tandy was much worse then Conte and that when McClain saw his first action he was far less prepared then Smith.

  72. webster Says:

    Idiots!!!! Lets be mad we let mason foster go. Lets be mad we let kalin clay go. Lets be mad we let roy miller go. Lets be mad we let hakeem spence go. Lets be mad we let patrick omamgme go. All were solid “role players” the bucs should have broke the bank for. No, these and mcdougal are the types you replace late in the draft because these are cheap labor production. Mcdougal is the type of player that dumb teams overspend for and pay 6mil a year because he is a free agent and they are desperate. Smart teams replace mcdougal’s average talent and production late in the draft for 180,000 a year. While buc fans cry over role players. He is no talib or bennett or blount. Mcdougal is no where near their catagory!!! Lets be mad and cry over jonathan casillias smdh

  73. JimmyJack Says:

    Fact is Munch if Ward had come here and played well nobody would give a crap about McDougal. And you wouldn’t be crying about Conte because he would have seen very little snaps.

    Same about VHIII. Had he played as expected you would not of had to see Smith……And Yeah Smith is a poor backup, I’ll give you that. But remember he wasn’t to first backup on the pecking order. You give me a team using a rookie 4th round #4 CB to start for them and they are going to get tested picked on and exposed badly most of the time.

  74. Bucko40 Says:

    And somehow Conte is still on the team.

  75. LOL Says:

    lmao McDougle was McGarbage!! they are only resigning him because they need someone in that secondary!! there is a fire sale in SEA so him staying isn’t saying much

  76. JimmyJack Says:

    LOL….I agree. Whatever they are doing in Seattle lately seems very odd to me. For that team not to be able to hold that defense together is pretty sorry.

    Maybe they will prove me wrong but my money wouldn’t be betting on them.

  77. Rod Munch Says:

    JimmyJack – A Conte truther – I didn’t know you people actually existed, this is like finding a flat earther, like a real one. Then you add to that by saying Ryan Smith isn’t a walking breathing abortion, double wow! To hitch your wagon to those guys, who literally grade out to be the worst 2 starters at their position in all of the NFL… LOL!

  78. I'm a Tandyman Bucs Fan Says:

    If Lycht don’t get off his ass and get some work done. Conte and Smith both will be starters in Buc Town. Then TMax will certainly be a legend in his own mind because he called it 4 & 12!!!!!

  79. BucTrooper Says:

    Basically the Bucs are running the team like the Rays.

  80. Buc4life Says:

    Yep McDougald would have been the difference…definite game changer…gtfo