Wasting Weapons

December 10th, 2017

Four catches for Mike Evans over the past two games is nearly as inexcusable as Doug Martin getting the start today.

Spin it however you wish, but DeSean Jackson and Evans are not having good seasons. It wasn’t supposed to be this way.

Throw in Cameron Brate going invisible today (one ball thrown to him), as he’s done for other chunks of this season, and there’s a real problem.

Simply stated, the Bucs appear to have too many weapons for Dirk Koetter’s offense/playcalling. He just can’t figure it out. It’s 13 games in. Yeah, there’s only one football, but it’s not like the Bucs are putting up a lot of points. Yardage is nice, but the game is about scoring touchdowns and maximizing talent.

It’s great to see Chris Godwin start to break out. Hopefully that continues, but Joe wants to see points and wins, like any other fan.

Dirk Koetter isn’t going to have much to sell about himself if he can’t figure out how to craft a humming offense for a full game. Every weapon on the Bucs is healthy, every last one, and they just lost to two marginal football teams.

63 Responses to “Wasting Weapons”

  1. BucThis Says:

    2 words, FXC* Keotter
    Here’s two more , FIRE KEOTTER

  2. Lakeland Says:

    Just as I said before the season

    The Bucs are paper champions

  3. BucfaninMi Says:

    Mark Dantonio
    P.J Fleck

  4. Pryda...sec 147 Says:

    Need someone to call the plays not Koetter need a better o line replace Chris conte need pass rush

  5. Youngbucs Says:

    Yawning jameis wasting weapons

  6. orlbucfan Says:

    THANK YOU JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I HAVE BEEN RAISING HOLY H3LL ABOUT THIS ALL SEASON!!!!! Get rid of Smith. Do we keep Koetter or do we put these players through yet another round of musical chairs/coaches? I say we keep him but put him on notice. Keep Licht, he is not the problem! Do the Glazers pick the coaches? Who does?

  7. What in the buc Says:

    Glazers need to drop the hammer on ALL the trash ALL OF IT!

  8. orlbucfan Says:

    AND PLEASE NO MORE CHUCKY GRUDEN!!!!!! We’ve already done that one.

  9. Bob in Valrico Says:

    What DK can’t figure out is how to stop Jameis from turning the ball over.
    When is jameis best offensive play is a badly underthrown ball to Evans that creates a PI call,Koetter is struggling to run an offense that Jameis struggles to run without big turnovers.

  10. What in the buc Says:

    Orlbucfan true that’s simply a pipe dream and a bad one at that

  11. not there yet Says:

    We don’t have time to wait for a coach to learn how to motivate players or himself learn how to close out games and improve his own decision making, there are guys out there while already got that part figured out….#another wasted to years on a guy unqualified to coach any team. How many more guys will the glazers hire that can’t get a sniff at head coach in the NFL

  12. Zwak Says:

    Does Koetter read the field and choose where to throw the ball?

  13. crazy Says:

    Warts and all the plays are there. The ball is often somewhere else.

  14. AceofAerospace Says:

    Too late for dirk. Unemployed Coach Walking.

  15. D-Rome Says:

    I honestly can’t recall if Godwin has dropped a pass this year.

  16. Waterboy Says:

    Although he did get Howard involved today but he fumbled away another one.

  17. What in the buc Says:

    D-Rome He is a stud in the making

  18. What in the buc Says:

    Offense and special teams

  19. Rrsrq Says:

    When is Black Monday?

  20. Bucs14 Says:

    Everybody who defends Magoo says other teams would be on fire if they had Magoo. Do yall not see that America’s Turnover Machine is one of the most inaccurate passers in the game? His passes either float, sail high, go into the ground, or are behind the receiver. He was overrated coming out of FSU. He should never have been a first rounder. He does not have the mechanics of throwing mastered

  21. EA Says:

    I saw this coming after New England’s game, Gave a pass to the Vikings game, than Arizonas game was a disaster and the list goes on.
    Grudens football knowledge and creativity > Dirks play book. Lets not even talk about the defense.

  22. Gt40bear Says:

    I’ve really been trying not to go there because I think it is not a good thing to change coaches/administrations every two years but Bucs are regressing rapidly. It’s time. Maybe the Glazer boys should hire an outside consultant who knows football to do the search but something’s gotta give!

  23. Season Is Over Says:

    Loved seeing the media finally throwing some hardballs at Dirk “We were done by Halloween” Koetter. Haha. Classic.

  24. mark2001 Says:

    Orl..so what does putting Koetter “on notice” accomplish? I mean…come on…he isn’t some lower level worker that forgot to turn off his cell phone or something of the sort. You either believe in him and ride that horse, or pick another. And unless you think we played way over our heads the last part of last season, there is no good reason for the way we played this season.

  25. AlteredEgo Says:

    This is how you have to evaluate players…if #3 was a 3rd round pick and played like he plays….what would you do ?

  26. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I’ve been down on Koetter’s playcalling all year…..but I actually think he called a good game today…….5 turnovers weren’t his fault……without those, we score 41 pts.

  27. JimmyJack Says:

    Winston just seems to get worse and worse under this HC and the rest of the team does not play at a professional level for the most part.

  28. What in the buc Says:

    @Alteredego then Cut or trade him

  29. What in the buc Says:


  30. What in the buc Says:

    But before anything can the freaking coach he IS OUR DEMISE

  31. orlbucfan Says:

    mark2001 Says:
    December 10th, 2017 at 4:50 pm
    How many times are the players supposed to endure HC firing every 2 years. Would YOU like to work under that kind of uncertainty? Give Koetter one more year. He blows it, yank him. The players are going to continue to improve. Licht is beginning to focus on the defense.

  32. Warrenfb12 Says:

    Snap count has to be way down for Brate in this game. Wasn’t on the field much.

  33. Ryan K Says:

    This team is a disgrace. Many of us are struggling with problems in life. I WISH FOR ONCE, FOR ONCE, I COULD GET JUST ONE ENTERTAINING SEASON. I LITERALLY CAN NOT WATCH THIS TEAM ANYMORE. I HAVE BEEN A DIEHARD FAN SINCE I WAS 7 YEARS OLD, POSTING ON THE OLD BUCCANEERS.COM MESSAGE BOARDS every day. I can’t get excited for this team anymore. I rarley even go to JoeBucsFan anymore (one of my favorite sites) because what’s the point? I can only watch this team if i record the game and have fast forward available because its so damn miserable. For the first time in my life, i watch other games while the bucs game is on (i still click back to bucs game every few plays because i am still a Bucs fiend at heart). I just wish i could enjoy the NFL and the Bucs more. Shame on the Glazers. We only have one life, and sadly i chose to be a Bucs fan. Shame on me.

  34. Rrsrq Says:

    Hire Kurt Warner to coach JW, Hire Jim Schwartz to coach the team and the defense and find and interview like h3ll to find the right OC who knows how to use all the weapons we have, who’s Oklahoma’s OC, I know it’s college, but they have had two players considered for the Heisman trophy, used Joe Mixon, Sam Perine, Dede Westbrook and Baker Mayfield (yeah, I am grasping for straws) because this is so frustrating

  35. I'm a Tandyman Bucs Fan Says:

    Barber doesn’t play the entire first half. Plays the entire 2nd half and almost pulls off the win. Koetter and Da Hamester must be hitting that pipe together. Tandy doesn’t see the field again today as the STRONG SECONDARY of Conte and Evans gets blistered by Stafford and Crew!! Somebody tell me how in Gods name Winston can turn the damn ball over like he did and still be in the game until the end???? What a Cluster Screw of a Season for us Buc Fans to endure!!!! Just wish we could have played the Browns. Then Koetter and Smith would for sure be fired because they would have beaten us also!!!!

  36. tmaxcon Says:

    it does not matter what they do. as long as glazer clowns are in charge there is absolutely no hope. over a decade of bad decisions have proven they simply don’t get it and are not concerned with winning. results matter

  37. AlteredEgo Says:

    RyanK…I walked into the first preseason game in 1976….patience grasshopper

  38. tmaxcon Says:


    people preaching and being patient are exactly why the glazer clowns have ZERO motivation to fix it.

  39. Howard Cosell Says:

    Well said Ryan….well said

  40. tmaxcon Says:

    over a decade without a single meaningful win is plenty of patience.

  41. Lakeland Says:

    The Glazers need to hire a President, and let him make all of the football decisions.

  42. lightningbuc Says:

    Another offseason of Joe polishing the turd that is Jaboo.

  43. Season Is Over Says:

    Haha. Mr. Magoo’s face in the post-game. The Gruden pieces are falling into place.

  44. tmaxcon Says:


    i agree with you they need a FRESH New President and NOT some has been ex coach or player… Just because the bucs play like an arena league team does not make brooks qualified to be the GM…

  45. Ed Kerber Says:

    Tmaxcon. 93 was out of the game and the defense was worse. It is time to get a real Pro coach in Tampa. Haven’t had one since Gruden left.

  46. tmaxcon Says:

    Ed Kerber

    the defense was hardly worse… they have been blowing leads and games for 8 years with her so you argument carries ZERO weight. I hope he gets well soon. I would hate for his wife to have to pack all his dolls by herself on the way to dallas for next season.

  47. AlteredEgo Says:

    Other than the final score and the play of #3….I saw so hope…

  48. Wombat Says:

    Evans would have had over a 100yds if we had a QB who isn’t the black version of Trent Dilfer!!!

  49. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    ORLBUC… you want to give licht and koetter a lame duck year why? and how is licht building the defense? he has not done jack squat to build this defense, passed on stud safeties in round 2 for a kicker? drafting corners who cant do their job or not addressing the worst DL in football that kept stafford clean today….. its time to let koettrr and licht go… and might be time to look for a new QB

  50. darin Says:

    Cmon glazers the giants never do it either but they did last week. Fire the guy tonight! If u cant figure out if we are talking about dirk or smith, fire them both! Let monk run the team for a few weeks. These clowns are embarrassing. What are we waiting for a 2 game win streak so the team is ascending? That means nothing for next year as we saw this year. Those clown coaches dont use camp to practice tackle football. So next year would be a repeat and so on. Cut the cord now!

  51. Bird Says:


    Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Koetter has a problem. It’s cause he has to many weapons You guys are officially delusional. Any qb would love to have our problem

    uhhhmm. Maybe the qb is the problem?

  52. Sbucs Says:

    clean house the coaching staff. What do they do adjusting during games and game planning during the week? Oh… and dump Licht too. None have shown capability or commitment to winning.

  53. ElioT Says:


    Guess they should have figured out if their “franchise QB” was able to get to a 3rd read or hit a deep ball before stocking the armory…

    What a waste.

  54. orlbucfan Says:

    Dusthty Rhothdes Says:
    December 10th, 2017 at 5:16 pm
    How long have you been following this team? The quality of players has improved over the 4 years Licht has been here. You followed this team since 1976-79? You an educated fan? Let me know. Licht has had a few busts like the kicker, but that has been fixed. How do we fix the other non-player problems? Hmm?

  55. MadMax Says:

    Sign Kirk Cousins.

  56. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I like #3 and hope he is able to get rid of his demons…both on and off the field.

    He’s had an injury this year to his throwing shoulder which is usually enough to mess up any QB’s season. But he does have some flaws to correct thats for sure.

    For those who insist there is some coaching guru out there to fix his throwing motion or his footwork…are you serious. He’s had the very best coaching money can buy since grade school. Camps with NFL QB’s like Trent Dilfer…all kinds of prep camps and eventually “throwing specialists” to help with EVERY DETAIL of his throwing motion and footwork.

    Good Jameis throws the ball fine….bad Jameis lets his head get in the way. I’m growing increasingly nervous that this will not be as easy to coach out of him as I originally thought. I thought at some point in his rookie year Koetter would just read him the riot act and Jameis would finally get it. But that’s not happening!!!

    I’m getting a little nervous about our QB situation next year. I’m not down on #3 as much as I just don’t totally feel that he’s dependable…on or off the field.
    Questions keep mounting….it’s time for some answers!!! He had time to throw today…he had a pretty good day…but as always..it’s the TURNOVERS!!!

    Bottom line…I can’t put my finger on it but something is making me nervous about #3.

  57. satchseven Says:

    jw3 needs a real in game qb coach who will cuss him out for the dumb crap.but at the same time he looked great on a lot of plays.

  58. satchseven Says:

    not worried about the off-field crap, men need to understand there are lots of broke chicks out here looking for a payday.i am always amazed at the stupidity of some men about women and what they will do when big money is aroud.you ever see drug dealers with ugly chicks?,they are there for the money

  59. Oxycondoms Says:

    Isn’t it a contract year for Evans bucs are stifling his stats to get him at a cheaper price

  60. EA Says:

    Oxy, the league knows what mike is worth, he will get paid.

  61. I'm a Tandyman Bucs Fan Says:

    Oh sorry guys we did play the Browns in Pre Season!!! And yep we did lose. Bet they wished they could have played us Regular Season cause as Winston Said We would eat that Dub and would have won one game and at least wouldn’t have gone 0 fee!!! Yep Browns 13….. Bucs 9!!! Damn Boyyyy

  62. Pierce Says:

    Maybe next year Dirk will give play calling duties to someone’s else.

  63. El_Buc941 Says:

    How in the world do you have last year’s leading TE in TDs,the stud of O.J.,a deep threat in Desean,and a top 3 WR in Mike Evans and you can’t get them open(routes) or score more than 3 TDs.I understand we don’t have a RB that strikes fear in defenses but you put in Martin over Barber?!this offense should look like a college team with the ball flying down field every 3 plays and points scored to make it look like a basketball game!I say fire koetter!keep Smith,get gruden,cut Conte and Tandy,keep Evans at safety,draft Chubbs,get the best center available and move marpet back