Tony Gonzalez: Jameis Was Benched

November 7th, 2017

FS1 talking head called Bucs QB “Gomer Pyle.”

A future Hall of Fame player who played for Dirk Koetter isn’t buying that America’s Quarterback was pulled from Sunday’s game over an injury.

Tony Gonzalez, an Atlanta tight end when Koetter was offensive coordinator of the Dixie Chicks, is convinced Koetter had his fill of Jameis’ immature stunts and inconsistency Sunday. Gonzalez says Koetter benched Jameis to teach him a lesson more than to rest his ailing shoulder.

Appearing yesterday on “Speak for Yourself” seen on FS1 with co-hosts Colin Cowturd, Jason Whitlock and Eric Davis, Gonzalez was unnerved by what he saw Jameis do, from the finger-eating before the game to the hassle he had on the sidelines with Marshon Lattimore.

Gonzalez doesn’t believe for a second Jameis’ shoulder was so bad he had to sit the second half. Instead, Gonzalez is confident it was Koetter applying tough love to the young Bucs quarterback.

“That’s little kid stuff,” Gonzalez said of Jameis’ antics on Sunday. “That would tick me off too. I know Dirk Koetter. I had him. He was my coordinator. I absolutely believe — yeah, [Jameis] might be a little banged up — but Dirk Koetter is sending him a message.”

Whitlock mocked Jameis calling him “Gomer Pyle” and believes the marriage between Jameis and the Bucs will end sooner than later and it will not be a pretty separation.

“He has always reminded me of Gomer Pyle,” Whitlock said, referring to the backwoods dullard 1960s sitcom character. “He’s well-intentioned, but he is a goofball. That is not a guy that is going to lead your team. After a guy eats his fingers, you are not following him through a brick wall.”

Cowturd believes in Jameis and suggests Bucs fans just need to be patient until he grows up. Cowturd noted Joe Namath was wild when he was young as well. Davis also is a believer in Jameis and stated Jameis’ problem is that he was drafted by a bad team.

If what Gonzalez said, and Jameis hinted at, is true, then Joe will take the next logical step and suggest left tackle Donovan Smith was yanked from the game under the guise of an injury as well.

Joe talked to Smith as he exited the Bucs’ locker room Sunday. Smith said he was OK — he was pulled, per a team announcement during the game, due to a knee injury (Joe knows better than to fully swallow claims about a medical issue). Joe didn’t see any noticeable limp from Smith and he was walking with crutches or a boot.

You can view the full segment below. If it wasn’t obvious before, it should be now: it is open-season on Jameis around the country.

97 Responses to “Tony Gonzalez: Jameis Was Benched”

  1. Bird Says:

    If my qb did that before a game I would have a hard time keeping a straight face You could see the players around him just watching like are you serious right now ?

    Embarrassing moment for him . Me personally I Would probably run to the bathroom and take a filthy ASJ

  2. ATrain Says:

    Really Winston just did the fake arm hang to save face

    Shut Up Tony

  3. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    If that is true, why 2 more weeks? Also, didn’t the sideline stunt happen after Jameis was pulled from the game?

    Just not buying that theory……cheap shot at Jameis with no evidence.

  4. Rando Says:

    I believe in Jameis. We can right this wreck! But I also defended Josh Freeman until the bitter end….Im not very bright….but I am loyal!….

  5. WyomingBucsFan Says:

    What a bunch of classless pukes the media is. Build him up with hype and tear him down in the most dramatic way you can. A case study in what our society is. I moved back here from Wyoming a few months ago after leaving in 2005. I was completely sheltered from what our country has become. Now everyday I see it, from shootings car jacking and totally trashed city. I guess I need to go back before lower myself to the low standards of major metropolitan life.

  6. Clodhopper Says:

    Am I the only one that wasn’t bothered by Jameis doing that? To me it looked like harmless banter. He was smiling and looked happy at the time.

  7. Bucsmon Says:

    Only shot this team has in the future is to build a Lights out defense. JW is not a Franchise QB. We will never win most shootouts whether he keeps throwing 45 times a game or 55 times a game. Too many Turnovers and he cant hit a brick wall 30+ yards downfield.

    Turn the offense into run and dunk pass plays under 20 yards with a rare deep ball and build a defense or just get a better QB. He’s ranked near the bottom of the 1st 20 QBs, not a playoff QB.

  8. DoNUTS Says:

    JW stinks. what u see now is what u will see 3-5 years from now; its the same type of play we saw in his last year at FSU…things don’t change unless u change. I am no longer sure this can be corrected.

    Koetter has lost this team but more importantly so has #3. They don’t believe in him and will never again. This is not something you can get back.

  9. AlteredEgo Says:

    Comparing Jameis’s behavior to Joe Namath is absurd !!!!!!

  10. Clodhopper Says:

    Personally speaking as a hillbilly myself, I find Jameis’ “Gomer Pyle” style to be quite becoming. It’s part of his magnetic charisma. He would fit in perfectly around these parts.

    I think Goimer Pyle is a stretch, but I kinda get the comparison. But its still an insult to Jameis’ intelligence.

    I get ticked at his play A LOT, but I’ll never say anything bad about his intelligence or his personality!!

  11. Not there yet Says:

    It was embarrassing but hilarious except that hater Whitlock the never had been I don’t know where that clown came from. Lol Winston you earned this criticism what the hell were you thinking wow I hope he watches the news, that’s a teaching moment for the young guy. Waiting for him to realize the difference between leading boys and men

  12. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    I was a jameis supporter but how can anyone want to follow him after trying to eat his fingers, that was ridiculous and totally goes hand in hand with this crappy season, a leader has to lead and that is not by going off the rails in a crazy way and jameis did that 2x in that game

  13. Bculaw Says:

    Clodhopper – I thought he was trying to lighten the mood as well. It wasn’t intended as a “pump up” speech; more of a joking “let’s have some fun” speech. It was stupid, but let’s cut the kid some slack. You ask a 23 year old to be “the leader” of grown men, and there will be moments of disconnect. Too much too soon.

    Fact is Jameis has net been given a good environment in which TO GROW. He came in after only 2 years of college football and was immediately announced starter. He was given no protection and no weapons to speak of, and was immediately thrust into a leadership role despite limited experience and no real on-field success. Now, after two years of that, he’s given a shiny new WR and TE and expected to conquer the world. Not a recipe for success.

    The team has not overestimated JW’s potential, but it has overestimated his current state of readiness. Like all the other young QBs having success at this stage of their career, JW needs protection and a running game. His protection has been spotty and his run game non-existent.

    The fact that Jameis and Kwon have been thrust into leadership roles tells you all you need to know about the utter void of leadership in the locker room. I certainly couldn’t lead at 23, and would have a hard time following a 23 year old now.

  14. AlteredEgo Says:

    All this was pointed out pre drafting Jameis……but oh NO…..racist …haters…shouted down…. we see a tiny bit of Jamesi….who knows what goes on behind the scenes….I’ll give that his can mature and learn that he can change his behavior and act like a grown up human….however is Accuracy is something that is in his DNA….remember Jameis got run out of FSU after 2 years….

  15. Bob in Valrico Says:

    I have no doubt that Jameis was hurting after the hit. Senseless to let him keep playing with injury and getting knocked out of games. I also think Jameis needs some time to reflect on his game,recover and watch how defenses attack us.
    Koetter has little choice ,but to change things up . We have stood pat and hoped for our DE’s to come back from injury without success. Same for Doug Martin.
    everbody needs to be evaluated.

  16. Hodad Says:

    This wasn’t Jameis’s first pre game speech.If Koetter doesn’t like his pep talks before games then why does he let him do them? Koetter a long time ago could’ve told Jameis, listen kid your job before the game is to be with me to get our first 15 plays down. Your speeches get you to wired before games, so I want you to cool it, and focus on the game plan, let Kwon fire up the troops. Let’s blame the 23 year old instead of the H.C. who actually has the power to end the nonsense.

  17. Bob in Valrico Says:

    The notion that Jameis was thrust into a leadership is wrong in my view. Jameis is the one who felt he was ready to lead the team because his college success.
    I have felt that he should have focused more on his game and grow intop the leadership role.

  18. B Coburn Says:

    I kind of wondered myself if he really made the injury that much worse or not. Two weeks just seemed like a nice little break, but if it were really that serious it would be more. Could be something to it

  19. B Coburn Says:

    Also seems like a bit of a coincidence it happens once the season is truly done

  20. JabooBuc Says:

    AlteredEgo- Not sure where you are getting this idea of being “run out of FSU”. He was projected to go 1 o2 in the draft and was dealing with the rape charges. Pretty sure he knew he had to go.

  21. tmaxcon Says:

    Yet again jameis receives all the blame while the career loser defensive captains who lead a heartless soft defense get a free pass. Hard for jameis to grow when he has to overcome the losing culture and a poorly run franchise that has not won a meaningful game in over a decade…. talk about being an awkward goomer pyle what about the doll playing underoos wrestling captain blowout who has led more flat uninspired performances than any captain in bucs pathetic history… and while we are at it lets not forget about cancer93 pre game speech that is now being used worldwide to cure viagra overdoses

    Franchise and fanbase is a total joke

  22. C eh N eh D eh Says:

    You need to wake up Joe and face reality…”South Americas QB” is not cutting it…Despite the highlights this year you talk about, he still makes the same mistakes…and always will. No problem adjusting to the NFL for Goff and Wentz (true Franchise QBs), who don’t have a Evans or D.Jackson to work with either…Thought this team had turned a corner last year and now it’s rock bottom again…It’s a F**kin Bucs Life alright…

  23. gotbbucs Says:

    The clowning around needs to stop. All these stupid pre-game speeches were cute when he was a rookie, but it’s time to grow up now.
    This is a grown man game now, the hy jinx need to stop.

    Study film, practice, show up on game day and throw the damn ball.

  24. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    #3 is trying waaaay to hard…both on the field and off. Koetter has a very tough job ahead. Too bad he can’t run down to the pharmacy and pick up some chill pills.

    Because a LOT of #3’s problems still seem to revolve around immaturity I’m certainly not giving up on him. I figure I didn’t mature until I reach 50! #3 obviously doesn’t have that much time.

    So how Koetter accelerates this maturity is anybody’s guess. I get and understand Joe’s point that #3 is the investment not Koetter. But at the moment all the Glazers have invested is a top draft pick! They haven’t signed that second contract that will take the Brinks truck. The Glazers must be rethinking their position…not cutting #3 or firing Koetter.

    It might be time for the Glazers themselves to call in #3 and point out his behavior is simply unnacceptable!!!! If he wants to be a Buc he’s going to have to follow Coach K’s instructions. As long as #3 remains larger than the coaches and the team he’s going to be a load to handle….somebody needs to jerk a knot in his tail to help accelerate his growth.

    I’m still a Jameis fan but I honestly believe at this point it’s time for some really really TOUGH LOVE for #3.

  25. Kobe Faker Says:


    Koetter the klueless klown

    Sean peyton was 50 yards away fuming rantng with passion and emotion and…

    Bifoculed benny franklin didnt even know what happenef 10 yards away

    Looking at the playsheet like a emotionless pyscho

    Teams are the personality of the headcoach

    Its time for a wild grudog

  26. mike n Says:

    Its the on the field stuff that bothers me with Jameis.

  27. tmaxcon Says:

    The bottom line from top to bottom the bucs are the only organization thar makes Cleveland look competent… until glazers get a real leader in the football operations roll nothing will change. They need a pro not has retread one dimensional loser like dungy or some has been underachieving player from the glory year.. its time for a real winner. not some wannabe ex player that has not accomplished anything… glazers are incapable of fixing franchise or simply do not care.

  28. feelthepewterpower Says:

    Winston is ONLY 23 and not even three full seasons into his career……If he’s still doing this type of stuff next year and beyond, then OK, you have a point.

  29. Destinjohnny Says:

    It goes back to drafting.
    Look nick Saban has 10’number 1 recruiting classes.
    He is a good coach but he doesn’t win 4 out of 8 titles if he doesn’t have those players.Now if he had a qb would have won 6.’
    It’s talent and we don’t have it at most positions.
    Jason is a average scout who has done a below average job. He doesn’t get the big pic of building a team.

  30. wewantgruden Says:

    Only supports what I have been saying all along…..DUMB AS A BAG OF HAMMERS=JW=AKA GOMER PYLE. He could not lead a cub scout troop through Busch Gardens. Dumb Alabama Redneck.

  31. Memberberries Says:

    We need new owners… these are the kind of crapfests they build year after year because they have no idea how to build a quality football team with character.

    The Bucs are an embarrassment, and it will never change so long as the dufus Glazers are always making the final decisions.

    I’ve stopped being a fan until someone else calls the shots. Jeffrey Vinik? One can dream.

  32. Chris Says:

    Unfortunately, he is being laughrd at as a buffoon. Might be best to let him rest awhile. His team can’t possibly be taking him seriously right now.

  33. Mike Johnson Says:

    Man..its HARD bring a Bucs fan. All the finger pointing. All the misery. All the losses. And nothing to look forward to but the next upcoming loss to the New York Jets. Why its enough to make one reach…for the Bottle!!!

  34. wewantgruden Says:

    Where you are Lord, Corn, NFL Nut??? You were calling me out for the past two weeks about my assessment of JameisNOT, in which I was spot on. Gomer Pyle is so spot on for this clown.

  35. MTM Says:

    Winston will change once he is no longer a Buccaneer. Hell, he will probably win a Superbowl like Steve Young, Doug Williams and Trent Dilfer. The QB curse is alive and well.

  36. C eh N eh D eh Says:

    …and cutting the cord early on Jameis will be the right move in the long run…been down this road before > Testaverde and Freeman, etc….High pick this year will be in range to get a top QB…New Franchise QB option and trade the fraud….

  37. AlteredEgo Says:

    Jameis is as Jameis does….I don’t think he’ll learn from this other than superficial modifications….my guess he his still blaming others for his bum shoulder and getting mocked for eating W’s….I hope I am wrong but not counting on it….pretty much what we have seen is what we will continue to see…headcase that does not know appropriate behavior except when he is putting on an act

  38. 911bucs Says:

    This game isn’t about having fun ( well maybe for some players) it’s avout going out and kicking the other team in the teeth.

  39. BrianBucs Says:

    Jameis is now a third year starter in the NFL so these “he’s still a young QB” don’t fly anymore.

  40. BucTrooper Says:

    Well i respect Tony’s opinion…. you know, on account of all the Super Bowl rings……..

  41. DB55 Says:

    If you actually listen the the fat tub of lard you should eat a few bull its.

  42. James Craig Marlow Says:

    I don’t think these announcers are too far off the mark.

  43. Supersam Says:

    Winston is a total embarrassment to this team, trade him immediately.

  44. D-Rome Says:

    I’d love to meet the producer that fed this nonsense to Tony Gonzalez.

  45. AlteredEgo Says:

    Take a seat next to your Buc QB peers Jameis
    Ryan Leaf
    Rick Mirer
    Akili Smith
    Trent Dilfer

  46. Not there yet Says:

    Everyone needs to stop with the nonsense. Not given a good environment to grow? You gotta be joking lol This is football people, if your drafted first overall 95% of the time it’s a bad team.

    Think Matthew Stafford was was drafted to a bad team? going 0-16 the year before drafting a quarterback first overall meant that team sucked. Two years of shoulder surgeries and then they’ve been stable ever since and even they aren’t more talented, Winston has no excuse, This team has no excuse for the crap they dump on the field every week .

    This pressure comes with being a first overall pick there are too many examples of young guys handling the pressure. Jared Goff is another example.

  47. passthebuc Says:

    This is football, its serious stuff. When you are making 5 million a year, it’s serious. These players are not serious.

  48. IsrBuc Says:

    I didn’t watch the pre game speech but I did watch the game and jw was garbage, throwing deep/into double coverage when he had open recievers underneath. Defense was holding on but jw was doing his best to get the 3 and out.
    My (big) knock on Koetter is him sticking with doug martin when he has better options on the bench. It cost us playoffs last year and killed this year as well.

  49. ElioT Says:

    That was literally the worst pregame sh*t I have ever seen.

    “Never go full ret*rd Jameis, everybody know that”


    Go Sucks!!!


  50. AlteredEgo Says:

    IsrBuc……WARNING… do NOT search for the pre game “speech” video….it will permanently scar you…

  51. C eh N eh D eh Says:

    Winston in last year of contract next year with 5th year option….Duh, replace in the draft and trade him for picks….

  52. Blake_Bucsfan Says:

    Ignore all this stupid petty BS. Agree that the pregame speech was a little whack, but to call the guy a bust after his first 2 years? Cmon now you’re making yourself look stupid when you stupid crap like that.

    No wonder Espn is hemorrhaging money.

    But… Were I the Glazer’s, I would 100 percent shut Jameis down for the year. Absolutely no point what so ever in further risking his health in a lost season.

    Especially when Donovan Smith and Demar Dotson have nearly gotten the killed for 3 straight games.

  53. Blake_Bucsfan Says:

    “… nearly gotten the *guy* killed…”

  54. AlteredEgo Says:

    @ Blake….”but to call the guy a bust after his first 2 years?”…I am not calling him a bust “yet”…but I have always had issues with his accuracy …something that IMO will always be a problem….depending on where the Bucs pick in 2018….I’d seriously consider taking a QB with the 1st pick ….then letting Jameis play out his last 2 years and go forward with the better of the 2 ….the coaching staff and GM know all the dirty little secrets in Jameis’s Buccaneer file….in reality with a high pick in 2018 I’d trade down for additional picks

  55. Blake_Bucsfan Says:

    ^Based on your comment history, that comment may as well have come from a certain women who’s last name starts with K.

    Your opinion is 1000 percent biased.

  56. ShutTheBucUp Says:

    Back to being the laughingstock of the NFL. Sell the team to someone who wants to win, not just rip off the fans with a garbage product.

  57. Espo Says:

    I thought eating the W was funny and original. What I’d like to know is how the hell are people high fiving him afterwards.

  58. AlteredEgo Says:

    @Blake “^Based on your comment history, that comment may as well have come from a certain women who’s last name starts with K.”
    I have no idea who K is….if it is some TV sports talking head I don’t watch any…any…none…zippo….I watch the Bucs and comment on what I see…

  59. Ramon Sanchez Says:

    I think it’s all the fans how are you able to play when you got all these m************ talking s*** all the time .there’s no loyalty James will be fine he just need to rest that shoulder i know it suck I’m a bucs fan life and I think it really sucks we don’t have to buy to fix this I think our coaches need to let James play the way he knows how to play . trying to make him somebody’s not our coaches are not doing their job it starts at top but you can bring coahes in here that know how to use these players prime example why did we go get somebody before free agent the trading deadline stop ,because these coaches are stuck in their old ways why do you think they couldn’t win a Superbowl for Atlanta

  60. Bucsfanman Says:

    I don’t know if it’s Jameis or what, but I’m tired of the whole charade. Lip-service from the coaches, no accountability from the players, non-existent ownership, we are Cleveland South at this point!

  61. Bobby M. Says:

    One thing i’ve noticed with Jameis…..the Bucs keep him pretty guarded when it comes to public speaking. I think what you see is a pattern of communication that lacks simple awareness….He’s had outburst at FSU….right after the sexual assault claims…..He made bizarre comments about girls at the grade school session he did…Now you see his pregame pep talk…..Go back and watch Hard Knocks….There’s clip where he’s pointing out a cock roach is giving birth or mating…The dude is odd to say the least.

    That being said….put Jameis on Denver’s roster….Denver is in the playoffs. Same with Houston. Put Jameis on Cleveland, Washingtons, or Indianapolis’s rosters….you’ll get the same results we are getting. He needs a lot to be effective…..for the #1 pick in the entire draft….we reached.

  62. LargoBuc Says:

    Calling our qb goner pile? Im sorry but those sre fighting words.

  63. NCBucsfan15 Says:

    Yes his stats are a bit better then Freeman’s but through roughly 40 games they have the same amount of career Ws. And that’s all that matters. 3yrs in the same offense he sound know what to do by now. We all believed the hype this off season. Koetter is a good coach last year we were 9-7 praising him as “Th Godfather “. Now we want to throw him out the door that’s crazy. Yes it’s a lost season but maybe this is what we needed, a good reality check. Now let’s work on seeing who will and won’t be here next year. Get our draft picks next yr and go to work. Saying all that Smith should go and at this point I could care less about Jameis, keep or trade away. Sorry for the ramble.

  64. Greg Says:

    Time to hit the refresh button on the franchise

  65. Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:

    I just saw it announced that Jameis is out several weeks with injury.

  66. Patrick in VA Says:

    Hard to argue with it. You tolerate antics when the play is such that you can’t do without it. Kind of like what Raheem used to say, “I’ll tolerate you until I can replace you”. Jameis play was no better than what Fitz can do. Neither are great, but Fitz comes without the histrionics and drama. His leadership style is great when coupled with solid play. It will get people to run through walls for him, if it goes along with him practicing what he preaches. Right now, he looks like a kid that’s bought in to his own hype too much and he’s trying too hard. He needs to get back to the basics and figure out why he can’t complete a pass to a receiver, heal his body, and let his play win over the team rather than letting his mouth push them further away.

  67. BUC MAN Says:


  68. 813bucboi Says:

    GTFOH TONY!!!!

    did you not see Winston 1 hop the ball and turn in pain on the throw right after he got hit?….so why is he out for the next 2-3 weeks….GO BUCS!!!!

  69. derrickbrooksforGM Says:

    @Rashad @Joe You let racists statements stand on this site? I’m out man. Good riddance Joe Bucs fan.
    Sir, Joe has many anti-racist moderation filters in place. Many. If they don’t work, Joe deletes a lot manually. Perfect science? Unfortunately not. Joe is not awake and reading comments 24/7–Joe

  70. Tampa Bay Tailgater Says:

    From a logical perspective…The criticism is completely fair in my opinion and valid concerns.

    Eating his hand and pointing the helmet of a rookie was pure embarrassment and I was embarrassed to be a Bucs fan. I’m a season ticket holder and will not be wearing my Winston jersey until this dude grows up.

    Is this all an act on Jameis’s part and the true Jameis surfaced Sunday? Don’t forget, after the game when asked about it, he thought everything he did was justified! Unreal.

  71. BucsDan Says:

    Let me start by saying that I am a fan of cool, calm and collected (see: Rivera, Ron), but it irked me to no end to not see Coach Koetter go Nick Saban Scorched Earth out there on the team, assistants and everyone else involved with the BS that went down. Jimbo would have dropped dead if he watched the replay of injured Winston lighting the match and setting the fuse to the whole situation.

    I need to see an improvement.

    And to think, I was a fan that was excited to purchase season tickets for the first time.

    Oh how far this team has come.

  72. Joeypoppems Says:

    Yes, he absolutely needs to mature still. I agree with Eric Davis in the video. He has the skill set. He just needs to grow up.

    However, if there is a house cleaning at the end of the year, the 2018 season could make or break Jameis. If he is still doing immature things and not progressing as a player and a leader, maybe the new regime doesnt pick up his 5th year option and they opt to bring in their own guy. Anything is possible.

  73. Lamarcus Says:

    I love Jw. Is is everything BUC. But this fan base? Oh my. This fan base of the Buccaneers are so dumb, act like they know what nfl football is about.

    To the ungrateful: all the losers on this team and have been here awhile it was JW who restore hope of this crappy team. Yall be watching Wentz, goff, etc and wish u had that qb. Well I tell u they couldn’t walk JW shoes. It’s a losing culture franchise and eating Ws what should be happening but no fans laughed at him and winning is ackward.His team came to lose. Jw doesn’t suck. Jw team is sorry. Every facet of football sucks. The team just is just allergic to eating Ws but taking L is the life

  74. R.O. Says:

    I don’t care about any of that $hit. Only think I care about is JW3 missing wide open throws. Reminds me of Trent Dilfer.

  75. Broy34WantsGruden+Jameis Says:

    Alteredego___run out of FSU!??!! ROTFLMAOOOOO HE WON A TITLE AS A FRESHMAN. The first to win a title since chris weinke who was 27 at the time. After three years in the nfl jameis is 23

  76. Buc1987 Says:

    Clodhopper Says:

    “Am I the only one that wasn’t bothered by Jameis doing that?”

    Of course you’re not and DJax didn’t make any face out of the ordinary towards it either. I saw the video in slow mo online. The look on Jackson’s face wasn’t fired up by it, but more like a veteran who’s heard all this before. Not a look of wtf is this?

    I’ll admit it was odd…but I’m sure players that have been around JW for awhile didn’t think it was odd at all. Is humping a palm tree odd?

  77. 813bucboi Says:

    @stpete says: The Glazers must be rethinking their position…not cutting #3 or firing Koetter.

    NO WAY their cutting or trading Winston…..but dirk is as good as gone….maybe if we were a little competitive but all the blows and the team quitting on him has sealed his fate…..combined with him bringing in his DC to improve the defense which has gotten worst….we have an offense that cant struggles to score and a defense that’s worse than ever….

    lovie was fired because he was a defensive coach and his defense was horrible….even tho we didn’t have the talent we currently have….dirk has more talent on both sides of the ball and his offense is underachieving(to put it nicely) and defense has historically bad….

    please explain to me why he deserves to keep his job with Winston regressing…the offense regressing….defense regressing and now it looks like ST is regressing….combined with the fact that he has lost control of the locker room and no one is listening to him or smitty….GO BUCS!!!!

  78. Defense Rules Says:

    Seeing an awful lot of whining on JBF lately, about Jameis, about Koetter, about Smitty, about Licht, about the water boy (hey, he’s probably charging these players too much per drink). But Jameis right now seems to be getting the brunt of the beating (strange, but that seems to happen more for some reason when the team isn’t winning). So wondered about he stacks up to some winning QBs, then decided to focus on one: Tom Brady.

    In his 1st 5 years of starting (2001-2005), Brady only topped 4,000 yds in a season once … in his 5th year starting (Jameis has done it twice, in his 1st 2 years). Brady averaged 61.9% in those 5 seasons (Jameis is averaging 60.0% through 2.5 seasons; not hugely different). Brady averaged throwing for 25 TDs/year in his 1st 5 years (exactly the same as Jameis in his 1st 2 yrs). Brady averaged 13 INTs/year (Jameis is averaging a tad higher … 15 INTs/year).

    Stats for the two of them aren’t radically different … UNTIL you look at average record per season. Brady’s Patriots won 58 and lost 20 in his 1st 5 years (about a 12-4 average record). Winston’s Bucs have won 17 and lost 23 in his first 2.5 years (which would be 34 wins and 46 losses over 5 years if projected out). Ouch!

    So what’s the big difference? IMO, it gets back to the team around them & the way they were used. Obviously Brady had a stronger T-E-A-M around him (he did win 2 SBs in those 5 years … performing roughly the same as Jameis has). And perhaps Belicheck & the Pats’ coaching staff knew how to use Brady’s strengths a bit better (and how to downplay his weaknesses?). Just sayin’ …

  79. Destinjohnny Says:

    Jameis isn’t a bust he just isn’t elite.
    He is a poor mans Matt ryan on the high side of his ceiling.
    But More like the a alex smith, trevor Simean.
    Accuracy and anticipation are his weak spots

  80. bkbuc Says:

    Jameis will be alright.

  81. Destinjohnny Says:

    Defense rules good stuff but Tom was born with more God given talent to be accurate.
    3 is a baseball pitcher and a fast ball pitcher at that.

  82. IsrBuc Says:

    Doesn’t matter if he’s a bust or not. Obviously no one can tell. It’s about the chances and the chance he succeeds here vs. the other options on the table.
    Sayng that someone who wants to trade Winston is labeling him as a bust is stupid. It only means he thinks that it is MORE LIKELY Winston isn’t what we thought he was and we better make a move to improve our situation.

  83. derrickbrooksforGM Says:

    @Joe Thanks! You’re not up 24/7 monitoring the site? Why not? LMAO

  84. Bucsfan951 Says:

    JW may or may not suck but his pregame speech this last game was a definite boner killer. I cringe every time I see that video of him eating his fingers. It’s no wonder why they came out flat.

  85. Gio Says:

    This dumbass didn’t even know his age.

    Do your research coonlock

  86. FortMyersDave Says:

    Some posters think Mariotta would have been a savior for the Bucs? That guy has been hurt a lot more than Winston has been and he has a much better coaching staff to work with up in Nashville as well as a better OL. I doubt if Mariotta would be playing much better than Winston if he went to Tampa if the Buc went with him or somehow won that Saint game and let the Titans take Winston. Mariotta would be on the IR if he played behind that Buc OL…. Either way the Bucs went in the 2015 draft would not have changed the fact that the Bucs are poorly coached and poorly managed. The 9-7 of 2016 was a mirage much like Rah’s 2010 10 win season which considering the talent level back then should have got him a Sam Wyche “smoke and mirrors award”….

  87. 813bucboi Says:

    @defense rules….

    you said all that to say what?….the BIGGEST difference is TB12 had competent coaches….coaches that had an identity and knew the strength of their players….

    as Winston has mentioned, we have no identity and dirk obviously doesn’t know the strength of his players or personnel for that matter….not playing barber?…c’mon man!!!….DIRK IS OUTTA HERE…simple as that….GO BUCS!!!!

  88. Eric Says:

    I say two rows up from his parents at the game and his dad said that jameis was hurt as he was leaving to go down at half time. I believe him over tony

  89. Eric Says:

    I sat two rows….

  90. NFLNut Says:


    Jameis played 4 healthy games this year, the first 4 games … Bucs were 2-2 and if not for getting Folked, would have been 3-1 … and Jameis was on pace for 4,792 yards, 28 TDs and 12 INTs and had a higher completion percentage and lower INT percentage than Wentz and Dak … then he got injured and the season went to crap.

    ALSO, people who have been around Brady like Logan Mankins and Jason Licht and others have raved about Jameis’ leadership abilities … the kid is a natural born leader and had the Bucs played well and won, people would have credited the “Eat a W” speech …

    Lazy media narratives drive me nuts!

  91. DBS Says:

    We don’t care about Winston’s stats. He can put up 5000 yards. But if he can’t get the scores and W’s they are useless. My car will go up and down the street if I drive it. But run out of gas unless I drive it thru the stop sign into the gas station!!

  92. Wewantgruden Says:

    NFLNUTJOB: you sir are dillusional. You are either the Real JameisNOT or a relative or possibly shared some crab legs with him while degrading women on the cafeteria table.

  93. unbelievable Says:

    Did Gonzalez actually watch the game? You could clearly see the pain Jameis was in. He couldn’t even throw the ball.

    @wewantgruden- what name did you used to post under?

  94. Kansas95Buc Says:

    I seriously cant believe we have ‘fans’ that want to get rid of JW lmao. And side note, F*** Tony G. #ThatsMyQB

  95. bucsnorth Says:

    NFLNut Says:
    November 7th, 2017 at 11:56 am

    Jameis played 4 healthy games this year, the first 4 games … Bucs were 2-2 and if not for getting Folked, would have been 3-1 … and Jameis was on pace for 4,792 yards, 28 TDs and 12 INTs and had a higher completion percentage and lower INT percentage than Wentz and Dak … then he got injured and the season went to crap.

    ALSO, people who have been around Brady like Logan Mankins and Jason Licht and others have raved about Jameis’ leadership abilities … the kid is a natural born leader and had the Bucs played well and won, people would have credited the “Eat a W” speech …

    Lazy media narratives drive me nuts!

    I wouldnt put too much stock in Jason LIcht raving about him. It wasnt long ago he raved about a kicker and traded UP to get him. That kicker is no longer on team and been signed and cut by other team. Everyone is half right and half wrong. Jameis is a leader =CHEER LEADER. He’s mr. rah rah look at me pre-game but dont see it on the field where it counts. I was on board to draft him and let him mature and his ability will overshadow everything else but I think I was wrong. Im so sick of watching his long ball go 5 yards out of bounds or 10 yrds over head. Receiver very rarely has chance on any deep throw.

  96. Herbiebuc Says:

    So jameis is such bad player now?? Just two weeks ago it wasn’t him it was the defense. Now he is the most disappointing player in the nfl it’s crazy!! We are truly the underdogs this is the perfect time to rise up! Fans,coaches,players,everybody this should be used as motivation. We might be 2-6 but we not the browns every week the media gotta spotlight the best and worst each week it’s up to us to capitalize on the Hate

  97. Shane Says:

    know what i saw. I saw a big DL land on top of his shoulder and then watched Jameis grimace and then he couldn’t even throw the ball the next two plays. I’m sure they had a bounty on him.