Jameis, Not Folk, Beat Giants

October 2nd, 2017

Jameis Winston gets off a pass despite pressure. (Photo courtesy of Buccaneers.com.)

A lot of folks, Joe included, have written or will jabber about how Nick Folk beat the Giants yesterday.

Yes, it was Folk, who did his best to puke the game away by missing two field goals and an extra point earlier in the game, booting a 34-yard field goal as time expired to give the Bucs a needed win over Big Blue.

Nonsense, typed Andy Benoit of SI.com. It wasn’t Folk who beat the Giants, it was America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.

Let’s not overlook that the Giants also faced a quality opponent. Winston completed some tight-window passes down the stretch (something he’s done all season). On that game-winning field goal drive, Winston slung a 14-yarder to a double-teamed Mike Evans. On the play that set up the field goal, he recognized that tight end Cameron Brate, split out alone on the right, had gotten a step on Collins, a much-improved pass defender. Winston promptly made the throw, Brate the catch and, after a few kneel downs, Nick Folk the field goal. Good defense was beaten by slightly better offense.

As Joe wrote earlier today, it was two plays Joe noticed that won’t be on any highlight reel that made big impressions. One was Jameis sidestepping traffic and throwing the ball away rather than trying to force a pass. The other was taking a sack in the fourth quarter rather than some dumb stunt like he pulled in Jacksonville and in Minnesota.

Growth, maturity, a step forward. That’s what impressed Joe about Jameis last night.

46 Responses to “Jameis, Not Folk, Beat Giants”

  1. KJ Says:

    Here here! So happy we have #3 as our QB of the present and the future. There will still be growing pains but the arrow is pointing straight up. Now let’s refocus and pull off this W against the defending champs.

  2. The Buc Realist Says:


    The “real” fans now have two demands!!!!!! We still have our demand from last year, that when the Bucs make the Playoffs, there will be a “round table of Joe’s” !!!!! All Joebucfan contributors do a round table playoff podcast at a designated drinking hole!!!!!!!!

    The second is a new demand!!!!! The “real” fans demand a new segement from Joe!!!!! Since Joe on the Ira podcast stated that he was “On the Ledge”!!!! That a new segment should be added from the “master of panic”!!!!!!! You can call it “ The View from the Ledge”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anytime something goes wrong for the Bucs Joe can post it to rile up the Sheep!!!!!!!!!

    Keep up the great work!!!!!!!!!!!

    And as always!!!!!

    GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. AlteredEgo Says:

    WTF..”real fan”….so tired of people saying that which translates to….if you don’t see things like me…you are not a “real fan”……

  4. The Buc Realist Says:


    I clearly never called or told anyone “You are not a “real fan””!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    But I will call them “sheep” everyday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!

  5. martinii Says:

    I think Jameis was trying to lift Folk’s spirit’s a little when Jameis deservingly so was given a game ball. Jameis is an all in team player. P.S. Dalvin Cook out for season with ACL injury. Its all a crap shoot.

  6. Buc1987 Says:

    I think some fans expect the second coming of Tom Brady in Jameis. It’s as if they don’t watch other QB’s around the NFL….solid QB’s overthrow solid WR’s. I saw Big Ben overthrow Brown by a mile yesterday. If that was Jameis…you’d have fans on here blasting him and saying he just doesn’t have it. So damn fickle. I was on here too after the Minny game. Not happy with Jameis. All I said was he has to learn to walk the walk or just shut up. YES it’s his 3rd year and after 2 games the usual suspects and a few new ones were bashing him as if we need to start looking for his replacement. TWO games into his 3rd year. Then again you have some fans that expect failure from jameis and I’m sure we STILL have some rooting for it. I see one of them on this thread right now. Those fans can’t be helped.

  7. JameisDungy Says:

    Jameis is going to need to better against the Patriots. I fear Brady is going to put up 34 on us.

    Its going to be on Jameis to win a shootout. However, DIRK has to do a much better job calling plays in the red zone. Jameis IS MOBILE. His mobility should threaten the defense so much so that we can get some tds. Where are the rollouts, the play action passes, etc.

    Next game is the “Dirk the guy?” game. We know the issues defensively. We’re not facing the Vikings defense. His offense needs to score points.

    Look at Jared Goff and the Rams. They were abysmal last year. Now all of a sudden he looks like a good QB now that he’s got a great play caller (who can also be a HC)

  8. BucFanFromOH Says:


    Nah man you’re not a “real fan” unless you end every sentence with 10 exclamation points. Apparently you must shout every word you post to be a “real fan.”

  9. Joel Says:

    The Rams don’t have much of a head coach. Have you watched that guy? He’s not even paying attention to the game when the Rams are on defense. He’s sitting on a cooler.

  10. Buc1987 Says:

    Guzzie Says:
    September 28th, 2017 at 5:29 pm

    “All talk, no action, it’s year 3 JW, talking family isn’t going to stop you from turning the ball over, the only great games is either versus a far inferior opponent or your defense carries you, you haven’t done anything in this league and if you don’t start playing smart, you are going to start the Blake Bortles comparisons, maybe you should start worrying about playing smart instead of racing everyone to work each morning, take a breath before the game, jacking everyone up and using all that energy before kickoff can be done by other players, get with your coaches and play smart, we are sick of excuses”

    This is a “real fan”.

    This is how bad some of you get…..others are worse.

  11. '74 Bucs Fan Says:

    Ego – there is a difference between a “real fan” with an educated opinion, and a troll who complains to complain and has nothing but garbage spewing from their over used pie holes.

  12. Rod Munch Says:

    Jameis played a great game yesterday, if not Folk the Bucs win it easily going away. Jameis still has to work on his timing wit D-Dax, but as I heard it takes about 4 weeks to adjust to a new WR like D-Jax, I heard that again and again after he was signed, that there would be a bunch of missed passes before they figure out. If true then my goodness, the offense could really be something special.

  13. johnnybuc Says:

    so no monday morning joe podcast ?

  14. Lord Cornelius Says:

    That was one of Winston’s best games.

    The offense would have put up over 30+ points without getting any short field turnovers by the D if not for the missed kicks and a bad sequence in the red zone at the end of the half. And that isn’t a scrub defense at all even when banged up. They still had multiple high level players on the D-line and across their secondary.

  15. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “Jameis is going to need to better against the Patriots.”

    the Pats D is terrible compared to the Giants.

    The Giants had given up an average of just 189 passing yards per game for 3 weeks before WInston shredded them for 332 and 3 TDs.

  16. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Jameis always bounces back from bad games. It’s one of the things that makes him special. And he’s only gonna keep on getting better as continues to grow towards his physical prime.

    And shoot, having a non-criminal maniac version of Gronk and Hernandez doesn’t hurt. Nearly half of Jameis’ passing yards yesterday were to TE’s, and 2 outta 3 of his TD passes.

    Once Jameis fully gels with Djax, OJ, and Godwin this offense will become prolific. Like scary good.

    Yet some are still blind to the young mans greatness. Jameis, while far from a perfect QB at the present, has all the talent it takes to go down as a top 5 all-time Signal caller.

  17. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I hate to be a wet blanket on this…but that 3rd down throw (had to be perfect) and great catch from Cameron Brate was a low percentage 3rd down pass…..I’ve seen this many times…..that call should have been made on a 1st or 2nd down…….if the pass isn’t completed, we are at 4th down an have the game on the line.
    Fortunately things worked out.

  18. Baz Says:

    Folk didn’t beat the Giants. Jameis didn’t beat the Giants.
    The Tampa Bay Buccaneers beat the New York Giants.

    It was a total team effort, from blocking to passing to kicking. Each week is its own entity, and this week the Bucs did enough to beat the Giants. ‘Nuff said.

    In 4 days, they need to do enough to beat the reigning champions, regardless of how the Patriots are playing they are STILL the reigning champs until they’re dethroned. That’s how the Bucs need to view and play them Thursday night. Dare I say this is a trap game?

  19. Guzzie Says:

    Buc1987….looks like Jameis listened to my advice, but you realize an 0-4 Giants doesn’t exactly scream quality opponent, beat the Patriots and I’ll be dancing in the street, get blown out with 3 turnovers then….

  20. Buc1987 Says:

    lol Guzzie…I’m not calling you out. You were one of many!

    It’s the burden this kid has to carry when other QB’s that are considered very good do not when they have a bad game. No one calls for their benching or replacement.

    lol I wasn’t singling you out.

  21. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Jameis throw to Brate how he dropped in right where brate could get it and it was over arguably one of the top 5 defensive players in the league was an ELITE throw…and how good is brate, which having OJ which I am for seems like a luxury that the bucs could have spent on another area of need which seems like the bucs have a lots of areas of need esp the DL

  22. Guzzie Says:

    I really hope DK designs some hot reads, when the Gmen all out blitzed, one of the Barbers said DKs offense doesn’t have hit reads, which sounds crazy

  23. Lord Cornelius Says:

    For anyone who hates on Winston go watch his highlights from this game.

    So many throws were in heavy traffic due to tight coverage. He hit his wide open WRs. In 38 pass attempts the worst thing he did was slightly under throwing or over throwing Djax like 2-3 times; and throwing a bit high to ME on one pass in the red zone. But he made up for those 4-5 off throws with like 10-15 amazing throws.

    Janoris Jenkins / Dominique Rodgers Cromartie / Eli Apple / Landon Collins – there won’t be many secondaries Winston faces this year that talented. Not to mention the Giants D-line is no slouch even when Vernon was out. They still had JPP/snacks and others.

    Guzzie – the fact that you think the Giants are some soft a4s defense; when they’ve statistically been one of the best pass defenses in the league coming into this week 4 game; just shows the hater lenses you and others put on.

    It’s also funny you’re basically admitting you are just going to have a huge hyperbolic reaction based on what happens week to week. Have a bad game and you’re going to freak out. Have a good game and you’re going to simly say “im waiting till we beat X or Y” or “he does it against a good D”

    He just outplayed Prescott / Stafford / Wentz when it comes to playing the Giants if you want a comparison. He’s currently on pace for 4600 yards and 32 TD passes. But if he has a single bad game it’s time to talk about benching him. Seams reasonable.

  24. Buc1987 Says:

    lol LC and that’s my mantra for today. Thanks for elaborating. Fans are expecting a perfect Jameis each and every week and if he slips up one week it means he sucks or regressed. It’s craziness I tell ya.

  25. Nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    None of the QBs I’ve been watching is even near perfect, none of the teams either…the difference is the BUCS is a great team in the MAKING…
    AND with more playing time together JW3 and DJAX will synchronize…it’s not magic it takes time and game ACTION which is different than PRACTICE…
    GO BUCS☠

  26. DBS Says:

    Yes Jameis had a very good day. A credit to him. But also let’s not forget that the Giants helped beat the Giants. They did themselves no favors either.

  27. webster Says:

    @ dbs

    Do you mean like 2 missed field goals and 1 extra point? Some of you are real pieces of work.

  28. Buc1987 Says:

    webster….gets it.

  29. DBS Says:

    How about a busted play and leaving a receiver wide open? Them missing a field goal. And not going for a field goal? Plus a penalty with Evans out of bounds giving them 2nd down again. Do I need to spell out more?

  30. Wausa Says:

    I said this before the Bucs drafted Jameis.

    Jameis will become the best QB in the NFL

  31. Bucsfanman Says:

    I’d like to see a little more in-game adjustments to the play-calling. While the game had no business being as close as it was, Koetter took too long to adjust to the Giants blitz.
    Jameis is getting better and he still has room to grow. He has met and exceeded my expectations for a 3rd year QB. A little timing with D-jax and watch the F out!

  32. The Buc Realist Says:


    There are too many snakes in the grass around here!!!!! And they were not just beyond insulting to JW3, But to NFL GM Licht, Head Coach Koetter and Defensive Coordinator Coach Smitty!!!!!!

    In fact, the most insulting, deplorable thing I heard was from “bighogheinous” who said, even though most starters were out of the game, that he still said “Mike Smith” defense looks almost as bad as lovie’s”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I can not think of a more cruel insult than that!!!!!! I almost dropped my cappuccino at MaZzaro’s and driven over to straighten that sob out!!!!!!!!!!!!

    But many have slid back underneath the rock that they came from!!!! some of the rats have drowned since they jump ship!!!!!!!!! The most important thing, is for the Bucs stay on track, and we will not see these “so called fans” much in these parts!!!! Because I take Kobe Liar’s post more seriously then that lots!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  33. darin Says:

    He played well. Cant wait until he gets a bit more accurate and sees the field better tho. The pass to brate should have been an easy 6, little off. Of course the deep one to djax too, although way off. He still doesnt throw open receivers often. When evans is one on one and covered he is open. N no idea why the bucs never run the slants, especially to djax. Get him an easy one with a chance to break it. Finally called a draw play did dirk. Atta boy. 36 yards later he is probably thinking about calling more. Play calling has been a bit off to me. A wins a win, this week we cant be settling for FG…..attempts! Bad bad defense comin to town, lets not give em any confidence. Go for the jugular early and often. Go Bucs

  34. webster Says:

    @ dbs

    Do you mean a toss sweep on the one inch line? Do you mean the same penalty when evans himself got a penalty on that same play? Again, you are a piece of work.

  35. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “How about a busted play and leaving a receiver wide open? Them missing a field goal. And not going for a field goal? Plus a penalty with Evans out of bounds giving them 2nd down again. Do I need to spell out more?”

    Do you even have any more? Those are all the miscues I recall. They missed 1 kick to the 3 we missed . Them deciding to go for it on 4th and short isn’t a miscue as much as it was a situational decision in which our team out played their team. We left 7-11 points on the board if you think not scoring with the ball at first and goal on the 1 counts. They arguably left 3-6 via that missed FG and if you want to count going for it on 4th as a miscue. So yeah ours were worse and more obvious.

    But what you’re really ignoring is that we dominated the game early without needing Giants miscues. We had no gift turnovers by the Giants. If Folk hits his early kicks and we convert a TD from the 1 yard line the game is probably over instead of it dragging out the way it did.

  36. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Oh and shank punt*

  37. TALLEYBAN Buc Says:

    Finally got some guys on the thread defending my guy jameis one of the best young qbs in the league when he has a bad game y’all are all over him I’m sick of it y’all Bucs fans are so ungrateful man we are crazy blessed to have Jameis he is not going to be perfect but the leadership intangibles the arm strength accuracy are all there Jameis will be a HOFer so to all u Jameis haters especially you shameful so called Bucs fan screw u!!

  38. webster Says:

    Btw…the bucs were penalized more than the giants. It was 4-1 so the only penalty you can bring up is a penalty when again evans was penalized on the same play. Gtfoh

  39. Chris Says:

    Buc1987, my wife’s from Ohio. Watching Jameis and team play is like light years from the dumster fire there. Went to a bar, watched her Browns play, git home, turned on my tv, told her, now I’m going to watch some real football. The faithful here have to remrmber, could be worse, cpuld be Cleveland, rebuilding since 1966.

  40. Jeagan1999 Says:

    Jameis is getting better, being more consistent (I think he’s at 64% so far this season) and there is room to get even better. He did throw a few balls that were off target yesterday, but by and far, he is proving he can be a franchise QB!

  41. DoNUTS Says:

    #3 looked like a savvy veteran taking that sack in the pressure packed 4th quarter. He grew a little in this game.

    The Real exam is on Thursday night. The last time the Pats lost 2 in a row was 2015. They had won 10 in a row and then lost 2 (injuries) to be 10-2.

  42. firethecannons Says:

    Jameis was makin plays even after gettin down to get the ali marpet ground ball specials

  43. lambchop Says:

    How the heck do the Chiefs find a serviceable K on the Panthers practice squad and we can’t find a K to save our life? Can we please scour the practice squads and find some competition for Folk? Let them compete in practice and activate the best one. Folk and Aguayo – the bane of our playoff chances.

    What happened to Marpet and his snaps? I didn’t see or hear this problem in the first 2 games. I’m guessing the nose guard was causing some concern for him.

  44. lambchop Says:

    @Lord Cornelius,

    I don’t understand all these Winston heroes on here pointing fingers and calling out fans who question his decision making in previous bad games. Lord Cornelius, where the F were you on the comments when the Jameis criticism was goin around against the Vikings? I didn’t see you coming to his defense then.

    Truth be told, Jameis regresses during games if he’s not on the hot seat. He gets careless. Period. Fans don’t always have to be homers to call a spade for a spade. He played well against the Giants. But, that doesn’t mean he won’t make crazy passes out of duress in the coming games.

    Don’t be so smug thinking you’re a better fan. People can and will critique bad plays. We expect him to not make ass passes and throws into triple and quadruple coverage in his 3rd year. And if people critique him it’s because we’ve had players like Freeman who shined and fizzled. And we also see his potential and we don’t want him to fail.

    So, don’t tell anyone how to be a fan.

  45. Weebs Says:

    Thank you FTC no one else mentioned all the bad snaps and Jameis still balled out. This kid is the truth. I live in Atlanta. All my falcon friends are terrified of Jameis. So many haters. We’re gonna drop 45 on the Pats Thursday, Djax scores twice. You heard it hear first.

  46. Weebs Says:

    Hey @lambchop the reigning MVP has thrown more picks than Jameis this year. Chilllllll