Not There Yet

September 24th, 2017

Not yet great.

When the Bucs needed him the most, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, couldn’t answer the bell.

Joe was afraid if the Bucs needed to put the game on Jameis’ shoulders all game long, this may not be good. Last year Jameis was 1-3 when he threw over 35 times in a game.

The run game, as Joe also feared, was virtually invisible. But hey, Chucky Sims caught a pass. Oh, good! Shots for everyone, Joe’s buying!

So with no running game – who could have guessed that? – Jameis needed to be elite. He was not.

Jameis drove the Bucs late in the third quarter on two scoring drives, and into the fourth quarter and two other drives looked like scoring drives. Until the picks happened.

Yes, on a target that was picked (could have been a penalty, Joe thought), Adam Humphries was open underneath. Did Jameis get too greedy?

Simply put, and much sooner than anyone honestly anticipated, the Bucs needed Jameis to be great today. He wasn’t.

23 Responses to “Not There Yet”

  1. Say What? Says:

    Agreed. I thought the drive when we were down 14 was really a key moment in figuring out who Jameis is going to be as a quarterback. Is he the guy who can single-handedly win a game by throwing or not. I think that pick kind of said it all. Don’t get me wrong, I think Jackson hung him out to dry on that pick by not continuing across the middle. Nevertheless, you don’t see Tom Brady throwing an interception like that in those types of moments… ever. A touchdown drive there and we would have been rolling. The pick really ended up being the final nail.

  2. BrianBucs Says:

    Wow Joe, I can’t believe that you actually admitted and acknowledged that. Now go have an adult beverage

  3. orlbucfan Says:

    Say What? Says:
    September 24th, 2017 at 5:56 pm
    You another troll? Plenty of unknown usernames on here today; worse than a plague. Offense huge disappointment today. Who is Case Keenum? DK has a week to get himself and the offense on the same page. We’ll know next week.

  4. firethecannons Says:

    honestly–kid cannot be relied on. Koetter needs to stop play calling. none of this matters we will lose every game with vh3 and ryan smith
    Jameis is not progressing he has never had a game like backup Case Keenum had today forget playoff talk–so ridiculous as this team is so bad in so many ways I hope we have seen the last of vh3 for the season–kid cannot ball

  5. NFLNut Says:

    The kid completed 70% with two drops and D-Jax running the wrong route.

    Had those drops and the wrong route not happened, Jameis would have been 31-40 (77.5%) for around 380 yards, 3 TDs and 1 pick … that is elite … yet the Bucs still would have lost by 10 points or so.

    The problem was not Jameis, Jameis was very good … the problem was the pass defense, period.

  6. NFLNut Says:

    BTW, just as in the SuperBowl … Tom Brady threw a bad pickable ball right before the play where the Patriots won the game today … the defender for the Texans just dropped it … people don’t seem to understand that ALL 11 players on the field impact every single play.

  7. Broy34 Says:

    Fire the cannons – he threw for 400 yards and 5 touchdowns year one with no weapons against Philly. I’m down on Winston after today despite being his biggest fan but get it right. Don’t be foolish

  8. Rrsrq Says:

    I think Jameis was trying to feed ME’s ego forcing that throw.

  9. NFLNut Says:

    I’m telling ya’ll … if you’re hating on Jameis, you’re a nutjob.

    Peyton Manning threw ONE HUNDRED picks in his first 5 years and their were fans calling him a bust and hoping he’d be traded … idiots, every one of them.

    You Jameis-haters don’t realize how good you have it and are going to piss away a ton of great memories this kid will otherwise bring you … keep treating him the way Orlando treated Shaq and maybe you’ll get to watch him win 4 rings in another city the way Magic fans watched Shaq do so …

  10. BigPoppaBuc Says:

    Jameis has to step up. He played ok but made crucial mistakes the poorly thrown deep ball to Jackson, when Evans TOASTED Rhodes and was wide open for a TD. His ball placement is going to send our WRs to the ER one day. His game is far from polished, but he has cemented himself as the team leader and face of the franchise. He MUST step up. I’m not totally faithless but I’m definitely skeptical.

  11. Issic Haggins Says:

    This staff hasn’t improved his accuracy at all and perhaps has made it worse .

    He himself stopped several drives and he is not checking down for 5 yard gains , Winston is a big problem right now , he has more seed 4 tds on the year and at least that many first downs

  12. NFLNut Says:

    ^ Jameis completed 70% today even with having two drops and the Jackson mistake … otherwise he’s at 77.5% and you’re whining about his accuracy … get out of here!

  13. old man says Says:

    Jamies is not the answer. I have said this before. For all of his great qualities, his desire to make plays when no play is available or to make very very bad decisions that result in turnovers is and will kill our team. I will blame the DC, Mike Smith for our 4 quarters of miserable pass defense. Lord knows what he was trying to do today. Mike Smith and Jamies lost this game today.

  14. SteelStudBuc Says:

    Yeah that’s all fine and dandy but how many interceptions did he throw today? Stop barking and talking so much. He needs to focus and take the check down guy if nobody is open. A lot of ppl think he’s better than he actually is.

    If he keeps hanging receivers out to dry with huge hits too… they’ll be really struggling.

  15. SteelStudBuc Says:

    How bout Cecil Shorts last yr…
    Catches pass then BAM career over

  16. Big Stinky Says:

    That’s probably the most sarcastic (but true) thing I have heard you say about #3 Joe. Does he even have any 4th quarter comebacks in his 16 wins? That’s 3 times he has lost to Keenum in 3 years and Case had less experience EVERY time. It looked like Keenum didn’t miss a single pass he threw over 20 yards, I like that. He showed Jameis just how easy it is to hit a moving target downfield. Has Winston even hit one deep pass besides the 22 yarder to DJax against the Bears? JW needs to be more consistent and make better decisions. Will he EVER be able to win a shootout when we need him to? Will he EVER be able to lead a comeback like Shawn King could? I know he has talent but knew we would lose if we had to depend on Winston. He looked like hot garbage throwing into double and then triple coverage after already throwing one pick. Should”ve thought protect the football after the first one. Stop with the excuses! Playoffs or Bust! Go BUCS!

  17. NewTampaChris Says:

    The accuracy of Case Keenum was a sharp contrast to what we saw with Jameis. And Dalvin Cook was awesome, while OJ Howard was very quiet and the safety from TA&M was invisible.

    Only one game but the decisiveness of the beatdown, the lack of performance by Jameis and stockpile of injuries was deeply, deeply depressing.

    And by the way, Doug Martin still has a place on this team.

  18. lambchop Says:

    They didn’t run the ball start to finish. Horrible coaching! One dimensional game plan. Maybe Koetter needs to be “Lovied” and Mike Smith can get his HC job that he really wants right here. Horrible play calling. And if the HC can’t get his starting QB to stop forcing the ball, then you either bench him for a quarter or you better let someone else run the team who can get Jameis’ attention. Case Keenum 3-0! Wow, I was lobbying for the Bucs to get him too while watching the game. He was poised, fleet of foot, managed the pocket effortlessly, and was deadly accurate on short, medium, and long balls. This guy is for real and is a starter on many teams including the Bucs. Jameis is good, but so far he talks a better game than he plays. I’m not ready to make him walk the plank, but he needs to understand he’s no Brett Favre.

  19. Pickgrin Says:

    “could have been a penalty”

    I couldn’t believe the # of penalties that were not called on Minnesota. It almost seemed like every other play was another obvious Viking hold or spearing or interference that wasn’t called. Refs were letting the purple men get away with murder out there.

    Cam Brate took a hell of a defenseless shot to the head on his TD catch with no flag just as just one example.

  20. NFLNut Says:


    What game were you nutjobs watching as it sure wasn’t Bucs v. Vikings if you’re complaining about Jameis’ accuracy? The dude completed 70% of his passes which would have been 75% without the two drops?

    His first pick was bad.

    The next two picks had NOTHING to do with us getting waxed … the 2nd one was on D-Jax and the 3rd one was when the game was out of reach and Jameis was just trying to do all he could and didn’t care about his stats unlike many QBs.

    Hey JOE … is reigning NFL MVP Matt Ryan “Not There Yet” as he had almost identical stats to Jameis while playing at home and against a worse defense than Minny and with a ton of help from his running game? Your narrative here is lazy and dumb!

    It’s as if a bunch of you Bucs fans literally think Sam Bradford and Chad Pennington were better QBs than Brett Favre and John Elway … I don’t get it but as a wise man once said, “you can’t argue with stupid” so I guess I should just let ya’ll act like idiots …

    I would take Jameis over every other QB on earth “going forward” … I’m not taking a 23 year old kid over everyone right now for “one game” though which is what all of you are demanding, that the kid be perfect every single game … dumb.

    Aaron Rodgers has thrown two pick-6s in 3 games … Matt Ryan threw 3 picks today … Rivers threw 3 in one quarter today … Mariota has just 3 TD’s in 3 games and two were on 1 yard screen passes that were basically running plays … Cam is straight garbage after winning an MVP just 2 years ago … and ya’ll have a budding 23 year old superstar on your hands that you whine and complain about … just stupid.


  21. Jeffbuc Says:

    Winston has 9 games in his career with a qb rating over 100 out of 34. So about a 1/4 of his games. Since he has came into the league not including this year 11 qbs have finished there entire season with an above 100 qb rating. To think he is worth locking and making the highest paid player is just foolish. He is an average qb at best. He hasn’t thrown a pick in 13 games out of 34. Not great either not even average.

  22. Nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Oh my gosh…I can’t take this unrealistic sideline, reviews. I’ll be back when the Bucs start back winning.

    Can’t deal with all of this blame Jameis, crap!!!

    So glad I watch the game for myself and know the difference in bad plays and unfortunate errors.

    TEAMS PLAY TO WIN…but some Team loses EVERY Sunday! Talking about the Bucs being too hyped, what about you fair-weathered FANS!

    GO BUCS!☠

  23. NFLNut Says:


    Nole4JabooANDBucs … I know, right? I just don’t get it … you’d think Florida sports fans would have learned there lesson after they ran Shaquille O’Neal out of Orlando with all their constant griping and complaining about his free throws and off-court activities and the like … and then had to watch him turn into the most dominant force the league had ever seen and win FOUR rings including three straight Finals MVP’s … and later enter the HOF not in an Orlando jersey but a Los Angeles jersey.

    I have no real doubt Jameis is going to be a HOF’er when all is said and done AND win at least one MVP and at least one ring … but he may do all of that while wearing another jersey if these “so-called Bucs fans” keep up their ridiculous antics.