Safety Not Biggest Need
April 10th, 2017
Not feeling it.
Even flat on his back in bed staring into the pitch black darkness, Joe can clearly see the biggest need for the Bucs.
It is running back. Easy. Second on the list is an edge rusher (still).
An upgrade at safety? Perhaps, but not a pressing concern (this admission will simultaneously unnerve both the ConteHate types and the Jabril Peppers fan club).
Andy Benoit doesn’t see it that way. The noted NFL analyst for theMMQB.com is of the mind the biggest need for the Bucs is safety.
@Andy_Benoit: Safety is Bucs No. 1 position of concern. Wilcox a plug-in solution, not THE solution.
Look, Joe isn’t saying safety is a strength, but Joe gets little sense from Bucs types that securing a safety is anywhere close to a priority at No. 19, not when the team needs a running back, an edge rusher and perhaps another receiver to groom to replace DeSean Jackson down the road (think Chris Godwin).
Could the Bucs upgrade at safety? Sure. But it’s not a pressing concern.
April 10th, 2017 at 4:08 pm
Budda Baker – 2nd Round
April 10th, 2017 at 4:09 pm
We will not draft a DE with our 1st pick nor will there be a WR there worth taking… it will be TE, RB or S. if we walked away with McCaffery, or Njouki and Budha Baker somehow with our 1st 2 selections that would be 2 major Rookie contributors.
April 10th, 2017 at 4:11 pm
I believe in the first round we will get the best player available at RB, WR, TE or DE.
As for everyone that are saying not to take a RB in the first round…..well lets just look at the first round of last years draft. Who would you rather have between CB VHIII or RB Ezekiel Elliot? I rest my case. sometimes there are for sure RB’s worth a 1st round pick.
April 10th, 2017 at 4:11 pm
I’m fully on board with weapons for winston in the 1st whether it be rb, te, or wr, and drafting budda baker in the 2nd even if we need to trade up for him. That would be my ideal scenario. Then draft dl,dB or another offensive skill postion in the 3rd.
April 10th, 2017 at 4:12 pm
Protech Winston
Give Winston Weapons
Give Winston WINNERS!
Give Winston a mid pack defense and he will win multiple championships. Not a single defensive team has won back to back superbowls or even multiple super bowls with the same core since the steelers and they had baldy, rocky, swann, stallworth, harris etc. etc.. hardly defense only team. hell their offense may have more hall of famer than their legendary defense I need to look that up. at that is back when the hall of fame still mattered
so I ask the defense wins championship crowd this do you want one championship by focusing on defense versus giving winston legit weapons and a legit shot at multiple championships. you either win the championship or are the first failure. again why waste a once in a lifetime franchise quarterback by wasting money on a top 3 defense that will get you one championship and a lot of close losses. we have been there already and suffered through it with that clown dungy. thankfully gruden cleaned the mess up quick and won the damn thing. Offense wins multiple championships history proves defenses win one.
April 10th, 2017 at 4:12 pm
Joe, it’s about time we’re in a position to do what the best draft teams do…take the #1 player on your board at the time! If need and best player available coincide, so be it. Let’s hope Jason and Co. do a fantastic job all through this draft….it is very deep in RB, WR, TE especially. Rds 1 thru 5 can be very good for us this year
April 10th, 2017 at 4:13 pm
RB may be their biggest need… but we can get a RB later… Our early round priorities should be S, DE, TE, WR.
I can see why someone would say safety is our biggest need – we have ZERO proven playmakers back there. A half season is not enough proof for Tandy. Conte has proven to have some big plays and a bunch of average to below average play… Wilcox may be a nice depth player and ok starter. Safety is a need, a top 3 need.
I don’t like to see the picture of Peppers though. It’s questionable that he’s what they need back there. Great athlete, but doubts about his ability to be a coverage safety.
April 10th, 2017 at 4:13 pm
I ‘m all in one peppers! I could see T.E. also so let the crying begin when we pass on cook lmao
April 10th, 2017 at 4:17 pm
S: Wilcox, Conte, Tandy. I see this as 2.0 starters, where Conte and Tandy add up to 1!
RB: Rodgers, Sims, Barber. Rodgers maybe carry the load for a while, and Sims no way. Barger is depth. I can see the logic to argue RB is greater need than safety. But I’m still counting on Doug Martin in there. Take him away and I would agree.
DE? Ayers and Spence. Then Gholston and Johnson. I can see the point here too, even to make it a greater than RB. But I’m counting on J. Smith coming back too.
WR: You’ve got starters the Bucs like at each. Yeah, Jackson may not hold. Not saying we don’t need RB and DE IF some guys aren’t in the mix, but assuming Martin (RB) and Smith (DE) are there, I still see S as bigger need.
April 10th, 2017 at 4:24 pm
1A and 1B take your pick between safety and runningback. Whichever position has the best player available at 19 to for it. I’d say safety or defense would come before offense unless one of the top 3 backs are there
April 10th, 2017 at 4:26 pm
@rayjay…..even you can get 100 yards behind that oline….GO BUCS!!!
I think we trade down and draft BPA defensive player…GO BUCS!!!
April 10th, 2017 at 4:27 pm
19 is bad value for a safety pick. Adams and Hooker will be gone. Obi would be a reach. Don’t want Peppers with a high draft pick. Trade back get an extra pick and then draft Budda Baker!
April 10th, 2017 at 4:31 pm
Obi, Obi, Obi!!!! Tandy at SS Obi at FS Conte and Wilcox backup respectively and will be ST standouts to go along with Robinson and Ryan Smith. Best WR in 2nd possible trade up into early third or late second for a RB. Rest of the way, highest rated player at your pick no matter the position.
April 10th, 2017 at 4:38 pm
20 years ago the Bucs selected an FSU RB and that was Warrick Dunn. That seemed to work out pretty well for us. On the 20th anniversary of that draft, I could realistically see us drafting another FSU RB in the first round that being Dalvin Cook of course. If he is not available when we pick then I think we get the BPA at one of the following positions. WR or TE and hope like hell we could at least score Mixon as our RB in the 2nd round which may need to be a trade up in the 2nd round to pull that off. Safety in the 3rd and BPA regardless of position from the 4th through 7th rounds.
April 10th, 2017 at 4:42 pm
Anybody that doesn’t see safety as a need is kidding themselves. Wilcox, Tandy, and Conte. How high does one have to be to feel comfortable with that group?
It’s an absolute no brainer that they are going to use a somewhat high pick on a safety, maybe not a 1st, but I would all but guarantee a 2, 3, or 4 will be used on one. It really depends how the draft starts falling. The will look to find a starting caliber, rotational at the very least, in this draft. Fish Smithson or the kid from Colorado(name slips my mind right now) would be good 4th round targets.
April 10th, 2017 at 4:48 pm
Peppers has star written all over him
April 10th, 2017 at 4:49 pm
Weapons.
April 10th, 2017 at 4:52 pm
Great DEFENSES…Win Championships!!
April 10th, 2017 at 4:54 pm
Our three biggest needs are CB, LB, and TE. Right now if the Bucs had an injury at any of those positions, they would be screwed? At corner, we have Hargreaves and Grimes is 34 and in the last year of his deal. After that? Not much. At LB, right now, we don’t have a starting SAM, and if Kwon or David get hurt the Bucs are really in trouble. At TE, Brate is good, but Stocker is always injured. Cross is listed as a TE, but is really more of a FB. Bucs have guys on the roster who have played effectively at RB and S and there is a ton of depth (and money) tied up on the Dline. CB, LB, and TE is where the team needs to invest its high draft picks.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:03 pm
Johnson
History proves otherwise…. Tom Brady has almost as more super bow rings than than bucs have modern play off wins. Franchise quarterbacks win championships defenses win a championship
April 10th, 2017 at 5:04 pm
rayjay1122 Says:
I would agree, unless that big OT from ‘Bama happens to fall.
I like drafting big uglies high.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:08 pm
Tom Brady has 5 career Super Bowls bucs franchise has a total of six total franchise playoff victories…. Defense does not win championships
April 10th, 2017 at 5:17 pm
“Offense wins multiple championships history proves defenses win one.”
I want weapons for Winston this year to be a focus – because he’s our first real franchise QB and we need to make his development the #1 priority of the team – but again I will fully put my hat in the “Defense wins championship”
crowd because that’s simply the facts.
History shows that pretty much every team who has won a SB recently has had one of the top defenses in the league (i laid out the last like 10 super bowls in a post about this a while ago.. I think the worst PPG defensive ranking for a winner was still top 12.. and most were top 6).
There is no data to support the idea that a top offense + average defense wins multiple championships.
Pats always field a top 10 defense. They typically prioritize defensive players in the draft over skill positions. Same with Seattle in terms of how they built their core philosophically.
The Steelers have been a much more offensive team the 2nd half of Ben’s career and they haven’t been to any super bowls recently. The last super bowl they won was the 08-09 season when their defense ranked #1 in yards / points per game. The last super bowl appearance they had was the 10-11 season when they also ranked #1 in PPG/yards. Their defense deteriorated and we have seen the results now for 5 years. The team they lost to was the Packers so it must have been because of their elite Rodgers lead offense right? Well their D was ranked #2 in the league that year in addition to them being a great scoring team.
Pretty much every piece of data on this shows defense is king still despite the “modern day” argument. THe Falcons would have been the first team in a long long time to have won a SB without a top 10 defense. Even then – their D was performing like a top 10 unit down the stretch – similar to how the Giants defense carried Eli to a SB over the Pats the year Brady threw 50 TDs
April 10th, 2017 at 5:19 pm
Sorry, Joe, but you are 100 percent wrong this time. Wilcox is a horrible safety. An undrafted free agent would be equal or better than Wilcox!
Not only that, he’ll be a penalty machine this year.
You are only saying this because you want a running back. I get it, but you are still wrong. 😛
April 10th, 2017 at 5:19 pm
Weapons wins championships!
Get Jameis some more.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:21 pm
R.O. Says
“We will not draft a DE with our 1st pick nor will there be a WR there worth taking… it will be TE, RB or S. if we walked away with McCaffery, or Njouki and Budha Baker somehow with our 1st 2 selections that would be 2 major Rookie contributors.”
We COULD draft DE…if the impossible happens and one of the top guys falls to us, Licht would be insane to not take him. And one of those guys would contribute THIS YEAR.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:22 pm
@Tmaxcon I agree. Get everything Winston needs and we’ll win more than one championship
April 10th, 2017 at 5:25 pm
It’s a great offseason. The Bucs are finally in a solid position where we could get by with what we have if need be. The Bucs are unpredictable right now which is good because it means nobody knows who we really want to pick in the first. I’m just hoping one of the sure thing types falls to us if not then we trade back and hopefully pick up early round picks in the second, third and fourth. Sidney Jones in the third sounds like a great addition.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:25 pm
For those claiming a defensive end would not contribute this year, consider this.
Noah Spence was a part time player last year and yet…only Robert Ayers had more sacks at DE. I would say Spence contributed.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:28 pm
tmaxcon Says
“Tom Brady has 5 career Super Bowls bucs franchise has a total of six total franchise playoff victories…. Defense does not win championships”
WRONG! The Patriots have had one of the top defenses for each of those super bowls. That’s why Brady pulls it off each year with such a bug turnover of talent. Their defense covers for them when and if needed.
The truth is this: the Pats have had a top defense AND a top offense most of the past decade.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:30 pm
“Franchise quarterbacks win championships defenses win a championship”
Franchise QBs + great defenses win championships:
2002 Super bowl – 6th ranked defense, 6th ranked offense
2004 Super Bowl – 1st ranked defense, 12 ranked offense
2005 Super bowl – 2nd ranked defense, 4th ranked offense
2008 loss in SB – 4th ranked defense, one of best offenses of all time – loss
2012 loss in SB – 15th ranked defense, 3rd best offense – loss
2015 Super bowl – 8th ranked defense, 4th ranked offense
2017 Super bowl – 1st ranked defense, 3rd ranked offense
So Brady has never won a SB without a top 8 defense; and had the #6, #1, #2, #8, & #1 defenses in all of their SB wins. There was only 1 super bowl win in which the defense was not statistically better than the offense relative to the rest of the league.
In 2007; when they had one of the best offenses of all time; they lost because the Giants D was the best NFL defense in the league during that post season. In 2012 when their defense was average; they lost the SB.
Franchise QBs + top tier defense = shot at a championship every year.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:30 pm
USFBUC,
I don’t thin we can get by with what we have, because we lost some good talent this off season. Hopefully, the draft will replace it.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:33 pm
Well said, Lord Cornelius.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:40 pm
@LORD CORNELIUS
Thanks . you just saved me a lot of typing.
I was also going to ask how Many multiple Super Bowls does the GREATEST SHOW ON TURF HAVE and the 1998 VIKINGS HAVE… and the 2016 FALCONS I believe the Broncos had a top ranked offense when the Seahawks beat them with the number 1 defense. I think the Panthers had the number 1 offense, lost to the number 1 defense.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:41 pm
Lord C
great research sir…
bottom line is the bucs had a great defense and won a whopping 2 playoff games in 5 years. Gruden in one year matched the franchise record in playoff wins. If you have a franchise qb you must give him weapons first and foremost. patriots have always had a good defense no doubt that being said if winston wants to be brady and montana like he professes and win multiple super bowls he deserves the weapons. couple that with today’s rule changes a top 15 defense and a loaded offense is a winning combination. The rules have changed and yes I understand the patriots have won under the new rules and had a good defense I would much rather bet on Winston with Weapons than a top 5 defense if my skin was in the game.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:45 pm
REGINALD GRAY
since reading comprehension has always been an issue here let put it another way… I acknowledged that a great defense can win ONE championship the examples you gave did exactly what I was saying they one WON championship. I want multiple championships or Winston’s tenure will be a complete failure. raise your standards. brady, Montana won consistently those Seattle and Denver both have been inconsistent although playoff teams since then so it just proves my point. spend your money on Winston and weapons build an decent defense and schedule the damn parade.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:52 pm
you defense first guys kill me. first you call the great defenses of the past glory years and act like dungy saved the damn world. They WON 2 damn playoff games. Let me say that again TWO in 6 years that is not even GOOD much less great…. It was a GREAT defense on a BAD team with a one dimensional stubborn head coach who coached scared and could not win the big game period. he cost both the bucs and colts championships. second, the rules have changed and not providing winston weapons would be a total failure on the part of the organization. bucs are not getting good value on both lvd and gmc until that is fixed the bucs need to give winston everything he needs. Cook in the first, Goodwin in the Second and the best available TE in 3rd. 4th tackle then you can get your damn defenders.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:54 pm
I absolutely believe in Lord C’s post. Football is a team sport and to win championships you need to be a great team which factors in all phases of the team. Offense, Defense and Special teams. If a franchise is sub par in any of those areas, then winning a championship is very unlikely.
Great post Lord!!
April 10th, 2017 at 5:56 pm
I’m forced to agree with Joe on this one. Everytime I think of taking a safety in the first round, I think Mark Baron. How did that work out?
Draft a S later. WR/TE should be top priority.
April 10th, 2017 at 5:58 pm
Everybody thinks they got it figured out. We’re all a bunch of mind numbing typing robots. You all don’t know what the Bucs will do and there is no way this team should be drafting a TE at that 19th pick. I could see the argument to a certain extent at safety, but TE. Haha…. I just don’t get it. With the issues at Rb, de, wr depth, even safety, and we’re out here touting the second TE or the eventual Cam Brate backup? Haha… unbelievable?!?!?
April 10th, 2017 at 6:02 pm
Jabril Peppers has the potential to be just as good if not better than Landon Collins. I’ll take that risk @ pick 19 only if all the offensive weapons (Cook, McCaffrey, Davis) remaining are gone. I’m taking Peppers over Njoku or any DE available.
April 10th, 2017 at 6:14 pm
I lose faith in the way Joe assesses football. If Joe believes RB is the biggest need, he has no idea what he’s talking about.
April 10th, 2017 at 6:15 pm
“couple that with today’s rule changes a top 15 defense and a loaded offense is a winning combination”
Not yet my liege. That combo hasn’t won anyone anything recently. Worst defense of the last 10 winners was still top 12 I believe when looking it up. Most were top 6.
I still want weapons for winston though lol – so we are in agreement there
April 10th, 2017 at 6:19 pm
@Lord C … “Franchise QBs + top tier defense = shot at a championship every year.” Lord C, your earlier post was right on in terms of the Pats’ production, but your assumption is off base … you’re assuming that Tom Brady (franchise QB) = the Pats’ offense. Kind of a BIG leap right there. Brady is certainly a franchise QB, but don’t discount that the Pats have surrounded him with an excellent OLine, some quality weapons to work with, and some very creative play-calling. In short, getting the Pats offense to produce at the 6th, 12th, 4th, 4th & 3rd rankings was a TEAM effort. Brady was certainly a key leader & producer on that TEAM, but in no way could he have accomplished what he did without the cast he had around him. I’d reference Dan Marino as another franchise QB … who didn’t get nearly the results that Tom Brady has.
April 10th, 2017 at 6:21 pm
@Tmax If the Championship teams had Jameis as a QB, they woulda won a minimum of 3 SuperBowls.
April 10th, 2017 at 6:21 pm
Tmax you’re just wrong here. Lord C just illustrated it for you. Plus you can look at all the other recent winners and almost all had a better defense than offense.
You’re stuck in the late 90s and still can’t get over Dungy not winning the super bowl with those great defenses. You know why? Because they had NO offense. ZERO. You still need an average to above average offense. But without a doubt, defense wins championship.
No one around here is suggesting we don’t need more weapons for Jameis. But to act like we should only worry about skills positions is asinine.
Get a couple more weapons for Winston, but more importantly, build up the line in front of him and get some damn pass rush and playmakers in the backfield on D
April 10th, 2017 at 6:22 pm
Lamp
April 10th, 2017 at 6:22 pm
One could argue..our 1st superbowl championship was because of a great Defense. Brad Johnson was no Tom Brady..not even close!
April 10th, 2017 at 6:24 pm
Yes Mike Johnson and the point is if you want to win multiple SB’s you need a franchise QB and a few weapons.
Defense doesn’t win multiple SB’s is the point.
April 10th, 2017 at 6:28 pm
And Tmax if all you needed was a Franchise QB and weapons, the Packers would win every year. But they always lose in the postseason because they’ve had middle of the pack defenses.
April 10th, 2017 at 6:29 pm
The Giants and Patriots are both Perfect examples that you can win multiple rings with top level Defensive units.
April 10th, 2017 at 6:30 pm
@Defense
Agree – you can’t do it with a terrible line / no weapons. But you can do it with average ones and an elite defense. Whereas no one lately has won a SB with a mediocre defense.
Chris HOgan / Julian Edelman aren’t elite guys. Early in Brady’s career during their first 3 super bowls they didn’t have much in terms of elite weapons. He did have a great O-line though and Billicheck is a great playcaller/schemer.
Seattle was a contendor last year with one of the worst O-lines in the league and guys like Doug Baldwin as the #1 WR.
Marino had some weapons but not an elite defense. They only had a top 10 defense 4 times in his 17 years playing. Similar to Peyton Manning and the Colts. Same with Andrew Luck right now (probably a perfect example of what a team looks like when you built it with QB + Skill players and ignore the rest). Teams that emphasize skill positions over defense & the lines seem to typically go that route. Fun high scores but always early playoff exits.
April 10th, 2017 at 6:32 pm
Since the 2000 SuperBowl:
10 winners had a better ranked defense vs. offense
6 winners had a better ranked offense vs. defense
1 team was equally ranked in both (Pats – 2001 (#6 of.f and def.)
I think the real point here is: We still need some better players on both sides of the ball.
April 10th, 2017 at 6:37 pm
maybe I’m missing something, what great offense has won multiple championships with out a top 10 defense. Since I can’t seem to comprehend reading. Even the elite qb’s have a had a top defense on the other end of the ball. I loved Air Coryell, No championships, Those 70;s Steelers, you need to do more research those were defensive teams. especially the 1st 2 super bowls. The early 80s Niners had Montanna and a dominate defense. The 90s cowboys. the Triplets, but a dominate defense.
April 10th, 2017 at 6:49 pm
let’s just be the #1 offense and #1 defense for the next 15 years ok?
April 10th, 2017 at 7:06 pm
Obi Melifonwu. They’ve brought him in, spoke w him at the combine…dude is a freak of humanity. And it’s a value position at 19 instead of Running back which will expire in 4-5 years. Or even more hilariously, a 5th (!!!!!!!!!) defensive end to NOT start or play starter minutes this year or next. (If they were a great DE they wouldn’t be available at 19…come on.)
Safety, WR, TE. Longevity on the team, position of need. DE while a need down the line isn’t good value in the first for us. Think DeMarcus Walker in rd 2 or 3 for better value.
April 10th, 2017 at 7:11 pm
RB is not the biggest position of need. You gotta chill with that Joe!
My rank:
1. OLINE
2. Secondary
3. RB
4. WR
Let’s see how that defense (you swear didn’t keep us from the playoffs after looking like a turn-style the first half of the yr) looks once people realize the Bucs are a real force on Sundays
April 10th, 2017 at 7:17 pm
Mike10… O line isn’t even in the top 5 bro.
Safety, RB, WR, TE, DE, LB, CB, then….then we can address depth on the line. We boast 7(!) starters. Seven!!! Seven! (Someone link the George Costanza clip)
April 10th, 2017 at 7:18 pm
Secondary is not a pressing concern??? You do realize we play in the NFC South, correct? What happens if either grimes or Hargreaves get hurt? You are saying you are comfortable with our depth in the secondary? Oh, I forgot, we have JJ Wilcox who got benched and Chris Conte who got benched. lets not forget about Ryan Smith Island. This team has holes folks – OT, CB, S, DE and yes, QB2. Reciever and Running back are low priorities although they make for great blog discussions
April 10th, 2017 at 7:20 pm
Well stated at 4:12 Tmax.
April 10th, 2017 at 7:20 pm
^^^^A-MEN brother ^^^^
April 10th, 2017 at 7:20 pm
Mike10 you and I agree except I would take another corner and rotational end before an offensive skill player. Those guys are easy to pick up around training camp time
April 10th, 2017 at 7:21 pm
That was for Jeremy
April 10th, 2017 at 7:25 pm
@Lord C … “you can’t do it with a terrible line / no weapons. But you can do it with average ones and an elite defense. ” Obviously with a handle like ‘Defense Rules’ I believe in defense. IMO, Chucky wouldn’t have won the Super Bowl in 2002 if not for having the #1 defense … Bucs offense that year ranked 18th in pts for & 24th in yds produced. Of the 19 games we played that season (15 wins – 4 losses) Bucs won the time-of-possession battle (usually handily) in 13 of the 15 wins (the other 2 were close to neutral). But in the losses we lost the TOP battle in 3 of 4 games. I suspect that’s fairly typical though … a great defense keeps the other team off-the-field enough so that even an average offense can win the TOP battle AND win more times than not.
That said, I’m in favor of continuing to build BOTH the offense & the defense, pretty much in some type of a balance. This year is fairly typical. Offensively we could use a RB, WR & TE (plus an OLineman, but we might yet get that through FA). Defensively we could use a Safety & DE (plus a LB, CB & DT to ‘build for the future’ & provide some depth in case of injury to our starters). I’m convinced that Jason Licht ‘gets it’ and we’ll see a balanced draft, focusing on BPA’s in each rnd who fill the needs above.
April 10th, 2017 at 7:37 pm
Anybody that’s using the Patriots as an example for this team to use high draft picks on specialty players has paid no attention to where they get their specialty players. Belichick very rarely uses high picks on anything other than core players, not Rb’s and Wr’s. They build their core through the draft and use late picks and veteran FA’s as their specialties.
So much hot air in these threads.
April 10th, 2017 at 7:53 pm
Malik McDowell, Chris Godwin, Marlon Mack, Budda Baker, Evan Engrem, Zay Jones, Tim Williams, Josh Jones, Mixon, Dontae Foreman, Marcus Maye, Kareem Hunt are just a few names that are probably going to be on the board after the first round. This is a loaded draft.
April 10th, 2017 at 8:05 pm
Love this thread!
We have talked about this before and I linked some research done by a guy. To end the argument, historically it is a coin flip as to who wins. Ranking the offense and defensive teams historically the Super Bowl champion has a defensive average rank of 7.7 best in the league and an offensive average rank of 8.8. Since 2009 there has been a shift, Super Bowl champions offensive average rank has been 8.5 and the defense average has dropped to 18.5th.
The guy does some deeper analysis and looked at only top ranked offenses and defenses and in those senarios the top ranked defense fairs better so long as they have at least a league average offense.
April 10th, 2017 at 8:06 pm
Joe, the value on peppers is huge. He can play offense and be the team’s kick/punt returner. The guy fill two needs on defense as well (slot corner AND safety)….. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW4HK4HXEi0
April 10th, 2017 at 8:10 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc3R49RinNw
Hey lets lighten the mood and enjoy watching the worst QB in Bucs history take L after L.
April 10th, 2017 at 8:10 pm
Y’all kill me with the “what if someone gets hurt”.
April 10th, 2017 at 8:17 pm
Blake…awesome link. I like Josh as a person but so glad he’s gone. Thay against the Jets just sums it all up…all the effort, but no execution.
April 10th, 2017 at 8:33 pm
Would love to drop back in 1st and still grab Budda Baker and get another 3rd rounder. With a second and 2 third rounders we would have many options for receivers, TE, OT, and Joe’s RB (albeit not Cook). Budda has great instincts, will play center field but can also stick! Watch the tape and tell me he wouldn’t make the team better.
April 10th, 2017 at 8:48 pm
Hickory dickory dock
This chick was sucking my mock
The clock struck two
I dropped my goo
And drop the chick off on the next block… OOOOH!
April 10th, 2017 at 9:29 pm
We have arguably the worst running back group in all of the NFL. How in the world is that not our number one need.
We need to get one of the top three elite running back’s in this draft.
April 10th, 2017 at 9:49 pm
Sensible teams don’t invest premium resources on running backs, especially in drafts deep at the position. You’re killing me with this ish, Joe. Sims has shown the ability to put up 1000 all purpose yards, Quizz came in off the street and ran circles around Doug. Repeat after me: Running backs are not worth 1st round picks!
April 11th, 2017 at 1:31 am
I see a lot of people calling for Obi, but I’m sure they haven’t read the scouting reports on him or seen his tape. Yes, he’s a freak of nature, and no one at the combine came close to matching his collective numbers. But, he’s more of an athlete rather than a football player. Of course, he could develop into a very good player, and his ceiling is high because of his physical assets. But he lacks instincts and doesn’t play to his size a lot of the time. If we’re going safety I wouldn’t pick one in the first, and I definitely wouldn’t take Obi. I would take more proven safeties like Budda Baker or Justin Evans in the second before I take Obi in the first.
April 11th, 2017 at 2:43 am
I have more faith in Rodgers, Sims and Barber than I do in Tandy, Conte and Wilcox.
We could pick a RB in the first, but if Cook is gone, it’s anyone’s guess. Given the depth of talent at the positions we need most, we could get immediate contributors at receiver, RB and safety in this draft anyway.
More weapons on offense and providing young talent to a position that’s been a liability for close to a decade would be a good draft.
April 11th, 2017 at 6:37 am
What?? I think im not hearing right. How could you possibly think safety isnt the biggest need by far. Sure I want a RB, but at least we have runningbacks that have proven they can consistently gain yards. WR would be nice, sure, but to think that this is anything but a depth signing to put behind what we already have in place is ludicrous. But just picture this: our starting safetys are a rotation of chris conte (worst safety in the nfl), j.j. wilcox (who?) And keith tandy, who admittedly flashed potential on a couple plays last year but is far from a safe bet. I say pick the top available safety in rd 1, marlon mack in the second and then draft a speedy receiver to develop behind jackson. Oh, and why the hell would we go TE in rd 1?? Picking for the luxury of a two-TE set with so many holes in the roster would just be unresponsible.
April 11th, 2017 at 8:37 am
You have to have both offense AND defense!!!
Drops mic, walks away…….
April 11th, 2017 at 8:56 am
cover deuce….there’s more than a possibility that THREE will be taken in the 1st round this draft and everyone you named is garbage.
April 11th, 2017 at 1:08 pm
I love this time of year.
100 posters, all making absolute assumptions.
When none of us has any idea what the team will actually do.
Brees, Ryan, Newton
Ayers. Good guy, but 32. In decline
Spence. 250 pounds. To small for anything but situational rusher
Gholsten- good against Run. No pass rush skills
Jac Smith. – missed 22 of last 32 games. More Tub time than game time.
Anyone who doesnt see a desperate need for De, needs to review that list again. Its true. Its damn True.
We need a full sized DE, with some pass rush skills.
As much as we’d hate it- even if we have to trade up to get him
And in this draft- I’d much rather trade down!!
The best talent values are rounds 2-4
April 11th, 2017 at 4:53 pm
Tmax should be banned from this site for felonious, untimely, rhetoric calling Tony Dungy an idiot was very disrespectful to every Bucs fan that suffered through the 80’s up through the mid 90’s Mr Dungy brought stability to our team every REAL Buc fan knows that this site is for Buccaneers fans walk the plank !!!