“Very Polished Pass Rusher”

April 10th, 2017


Just the thought of a dominant, young edge rusher on the Buccaneers is enough to get Joe into deep fantasy mode.

And Joe’s not talking fantasy football.

“Simeon Rice” is nothing more than a spicy menu item at a Thai restaurant for a whole generation of Bucs fans. It’s been that long since Rice busted out double-digit sacks in 2005.

The more Joe studies the draft, the more Joe realizes everyone everywhere has great admiration and respect for Charles Harris, the defensive end out of Misssouri who led the SEC in tackles for loss two seasons ago and had nine sacks last year.

Former scout and current NFL Network full-time draft guru Daniel Jeremiah has Harris as his No. 21 overall talent in the draft. The Bucs select at No. 19 overall.

Jeremiah says Harris already is a “polished pass rusher.”

No. 21 — Charles Harris – DE, Missouri 

Harris has average bulk and length for the position. He lined up in both a two- and three-point stance at Missouri. As a pass rusher, he has a quick first step and a variety of ways to generate pressure. He incorporates a rip move, tight inside spin move, and a slap-swim move. He is sudden at the top of his rush and he’s an excellent finisher. I’d like to see a little more push on his bull rush but he gets by without it. As a run defender, he is better on the backside than the frontside. He plays too high at times and gets uprooted. Overall, Harris is a very polished pass rusher who should be able to harass quarterbacks as soon as he hits an NFL field.

The “polished” analysis, which Joe has heard about Harris from others, gets Joe’s attention. Bucs defensive end Noah Spence is a lot of good things, but he’s nowhere near “polished” in various aspects of his game.

Harris could be considered a “safe” pick for the Bucs. You can never have too many pass rushers and, right now, the Bucs don’t have enough. And Robert Ayers turns 32 before opening day.

The Bucs put up strong sack totals last season but the pass rush was very inconsistent — and rather invisible in December.

Joe suspects general manager Jason Licht would prefer to build a feared pass rush in four years, versus showing up in Team Glazer’s office next February explaining why he needs a fifth year to do so.

Joe’s not banging the drum for Harris in the first round, but Joe certainly would applaud and understand the move.

42 Responses to ““Very Polished Pass Rusher””

  1. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    I’d be ok with Harris or Barnett. Can’t have enough pass rushers.

  2. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    NO thanks………pass

  3. BoJim Says:

    I like it. Seems the bull rush would be fairly easy to improve on. Depending on who’s available at 19……

  4. MarcBucs88 Says:

    Don’t know much about Harris, but didn’t Jeremiah try to say that Goff & Wentz were on the same level as Winston & Mariota around this time last year?

  5. Jack Says:

    I would prefer an offensive player with the 19th pick. John Ross would cause so trouble for the opposing defense but the truth of the matter, we do not run the 3 receiver set as much as the 2 receiver, 1 back and 2 tight end set, therefore, a tight end such as David Njoku would make the greatest sense.

  6. meh Says:

    I’d be happy with this pick. I don’t think we need to be targeting a DE, but we could always use another great pass rusher. If he’s BPA at the positions we’re considering, take him.

  7. The Buc Realist Says:

    It all depends on what is the BPA that falls!!! And Wr is now a position that we can draft and develop as a later round because of the 1st round ME13 and DJ11 big free agent, that now they can take a chance for a wr in later rounds and take a year or 2 for him to become a big time #2 Wr!!!! I do not see a “huge need” at any position, rather a upgrade to a position to make it an elite strength of the team!!!!!

  8. Pit Says:

    If we get this guy then we have two players on the line with that same quick first step “issue” vs the run. Last year the RB would get right into the gap that the first quick step of GMC would create

  9. ZZBucs!!! Says:

    This 2 first rounds picks is about OFFENSE!!! We need more weapons and depth….Defense is fine!!!!

  10. Mark Says:

    Defence wins championships!

  11. Pickgrin Says:

    Harris is unlikely to be BPA at 19 based on most mocks. Barnett probably would be if he drops to 19. I doubt they go DE in the 1st unless they love Barnett and he makes it to 19.

    IMO Fournett, Cook, Howard, Williams, Davis are all likely off the board. Any of those available and I think its an easy choice.

    McCaffrey has a reasonable chance of being there at 19 and may well be the choice. Njoku is probably the alternate choice they are expecting to be there and seriously considering. I’d rather trade down if the above scenario is the case and Licht could find a trade partner. Either of the above might be available in the late 20s and if not – then Budda Baker should be and his value is just fine late in the 1st round. Dude is gonna be a hell of a safety in the NFL I bet.

  12. MAIL MAN Says:

    trade back he might be there later if not fs obi 6 4 and fast over 5 9 3/8 Baker

  13. Pickgrin Says:

    Baker is the better prospect despite what the tape measure reads Mail Man. Good instincts are hard to teach. Budda is a hell of a football player right now. An instant impact starter from day one. Obi is a combine riser and everybody is enamored with his “measurables”. Screw that – you draft the football player. And Baker is just as fast. Faster on the field when it comes to making plays if you ask me. Baker is better in coverage as well.

  14. SOEbuc Says:

    I would love to get Harris. Dude is so fast off the lines and maneuvers his hands like a blender.

  15. 813bucboi Says:

    the latest mock I seen on nflnetwork has us taking OL cam robinson…they had cook going #24 and jarred davis the very next pick at #25…I wouldn’t be mad if we took cam robinson but bama olineman make me a little nervous….

    I think all the player we want are gone by #19….cook, fournette, oj Howard, mike Williams, Corey Davis, the UM TE, Mccaffrey, Barnett, and maybe even c.harris….

    I honestly think we do the same thing we did last year….I think we trade a down a few spots, collect an extra pick or 2 and draft BPA on defense….at that point I think it will be Jarrad Davis…a versatile player that can provide depth at all 3 linebacker position, defend the run between the tackles and sideline to sideline and also rush the passer….he can play all 3 downs no matter if we are playing out of a 34 front or 43 front….

    with the extra pick(s) we could move up to take mixon in the second or stand pack and select player(s) with the pick(s)….GO BUCS!!!!

  16. R.O. Says:

    Although we want a 1st rd DE.. Really doesn’t make sense to draft one in the 1st rd. Sorry to dissapoint. It should be TE, RB, or S. A player that will see the field. I’m in the trade down camp. But that’s just me…

  17. Casual Observer Says:

    What about Willis from K State? Highly rated pass rusher in some mocks.

  18. Bald Head Says:


  19. Pickgrin Says:

    813 – we are not drafting a LB with our 1st round pick. No chance.

  20. tnew Says:

    I like Charles Harris. I disagree calling him whole heartedly as a “very polished” pass rusher. I’ve watched a good deal of film on him. I’m gonna disagree on his rip move. He uses it by accident. Noah Spence showed a much better rip in college for instance. His slap swim is not bad, he uses it to offset his speed edge rush. He doesn’t have the bend of Barnett or Spence so that is not as good. He has a very good spin. Maybe the best in the draft. Does a very good and consistent job of using his left hand to unsettle the lineman. Very good job. That is what sets his spin move apart. If Barnett had that move, he would be a top 10 pick.. or if Harris had the bend and speed. I like his size and he does bull players from time to time unless they are very long armed or strong. (Donavan Smith would handle this guy). Really good get off, not as good as some but it is very consistent. Rarely seems to be asleep at the snap. Sometimes he has problems shedding his blocks. Ayers could be a very good influence on him. Nice motor, not Hasaan Reddick or Leonard Floyd from last year but motor isn’t an issue.

    He’s my reason number 55 why we should trade down and acquire more picks. This draft is LOADED from 25 to 100 or so with starters. LOADED.

  21. Bucsfanman Says:

    Oh my gosh!!!! Is it freakin’ football season yet. The season of “what ifs?” is starting to wear on me!!!

  22. Eric Denman Says:

    We need another pass rushing DE on this roster whether its first round or later..

  23. uckinator Says:

    Trade back with who ? From what I researched, pick 16 thought 60 are pretty much interchangable. Trading back would be great.

  24. 813bucboi Says:

    @pickgrin…..what makes you so sure?…..who are our LB’s besides kwon and David?….hasn’t smitty stated he wants to play more 34 fronts?….

    over the years we’ve added talent at the wr position, te position, oline position, d line position, secondary, qb and even rb….we have neglected the LB position for quite some time….we have a 1st rounder along the dline and in the secondary….time to upgrade the talent at the LB position…..we would get a stud at LB and extra picks to come with it….GO BUCS!!!!

  25. 813bucboi Says:

    we could trade down with the Texans, dolphins, raiders and a few other teams….GOBUCS!!!!

  26. Tnew Says:

    Any team will fall in love with a player or two, the player slips and litterally every team behind you is a candidate to trade down with. Not rocket science All boils down to how much intel you can gather, how much you know a certain person’s tendencies and how well you can read someone. It’s really just all business negotiations at that point. I would broaden the spectrum some too. I think there are day 1 impact starters that will go all the into the late 3 early 4th. This is a crazy good draft on paper There are so many day 1 and 2 prospects it’s scary.

  27. Joeypoppems Says:

    I agree with DJ that Harris is a polished pass rusher, but that is why I don’t like him at #19. Imo he is already at his ceiling or pretty close to it. I would rather see us draft someone who is a little bit more raw and athletic that can develop behind Ayers.

    Jordan Willis and Derek Rivers in round 2 would be ideal imo.

  28. Bobby M. Says:

    I think there’s going to be some very good choices and the Bucs will ultimately let it all play out. Best available is how winners draft…..hopefully we avoid getting locked in on a target like we did with the kicker last year.

  29. Kelvin Says:

    The only way I see it is if the Bucs have already gave up on Jaquis Smith as a key rotational pass rusher. If he’s still in the plan to have a role then don’t see this happening

  30. Capt.Tim Says:

    Noah Spence- 6’2″, 252#
    Charles Harris-6’3″, 253#

    I think our biggest need is a Pass rusher.
    But you can only keep so many “Pass rush” specialist. At #250, too little to play the run

    Robert Ayers-6’3″, 275#
    Simeon Rice-6’5″, 270#- 15 years ago.

    Would be nice to get a full sized DE, that can rush the passer.
    Otherwise, they are just gonna run on our Small DEs, every 3rd down

  31. Capt.Tim Says:

    They havent given up on Jac Smith.
    He missed last season, half of season before.

    Unless we start playing football in the Ice tub- Jac aint on the field.
    “Availability” is even more important than “ability”, at the NFL level.

  32. stu Says:

    Welcome to Tampa Bay Mr Harris!

  33. tnew Says:

    good catch on the size aspect Capt. I missed that!! Daeshon Hall is another guy I’ve been trying to find film on. He’s gonna be a late 2 early 3 guy that could fill our needs. Just another reason to have draft flexibility this year.

  34. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    God, this guys with this 2nd round Florida lber.
    We can bet a hat on it if u would like

  35. CarolinaBucFan Says:

    Capt. Tim, I wouldn’t be all too upset if the other team runs it on every third down. Seems like that’s how you lose games

  36. tnew Says:

    Ok.. everyone, go check out Malik McDowell.. I am very, very late to this guy. Someone help me on his “character issues” but this guy looks flat out special to me. Its been awhile since I’ve seen a motor like his. I’ve just been through the Wisconsin and the Notre Dame games.. Wow. Ball get off, size speed, motor, disruption. The only thing that scares me is that his stats are not really good, but someone tell me he isn’t one of the most disruptive guys that you have seen. He may be undisciplined in his responsibilities.. I don’t know that but he looks really good. He just seems upset that he was on a bad team to me.

  37. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    His coaches said behind closed doors that he doesn’t love football. Other GMs said that they hope a team in their division drafts him cuz he’s a ” locker room cancer”

  38. Joeypoppems Says:

    McDowell will most likely bust because of that

  39. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    McDowell is the anti-Winston. He doesn’t give a $hit about family. He would be the worst guy we could pick. I wouldn’t take him in the 7th round.

  40. Tnew Says:

    Watch his effort on game tape and tell me what you see regarding effort I heard the same thing and crossed him off until a guy on YouTube started saying that McDowell was better than Solomon Thomas. I was ready to really explain how he took plays off and didn’t work etc. it’s not on tape. There are way more loafs from Thomas. Way more. I’m ready to fall out of love with the guy but this looks like gm speak causing the player to fall His tape doesn’t match the dialogue

  41. Fsuking Says:

    We could get a better player in Demarcus Walker in the 3rd. Why risk burning a 1st rounder? Let’s take a running back, Receiver or OLineman. You know, smart picks

  42. tnew Says:

    I wish I would have had the time to do this earlier as this is probably a dead thread, but Ive dug deeper on McDowell. Here’s what I see. Regarding the family issue. This has to do with the fact he wanted to go to Michigan State, his Mom wanted him to go elsewhere and refused to sign the LOI until the 11th hour. Similar thing happened with Alex Collins from Miami when he went to Arkansas. The Mom actually stole the LOI. I’m going to say at this point, when your kids decide they want to go to college, they need to go where they want, not where you want, if the options are within the economic means for the family. That wasn’t the option here.

    Ive heard his interviews. He’s not blaming any one directly at MSU, at least I haven’t heard that yet. But he is begging to go somewhere to be coached. I have seen multiple times that he has stated that he needs coaching. If I’m an MSU coach, that will rub me wrong, but they did a disservice for the kid. Rather than teaching him how to play a position, they moved him all over the line. From 0 to 9 technique. I’ve heard he played some stand up linebacker but I never saw that. I get it that they felt like they had to because no one else on the line could do it but his development was really stunted in all of these areas. He had to make up his lack of technique with work rate. On a 3-9 team, that would be hard for anyone.

    Bigger question. How is the guy a “cancer” if he plays that many positions along the defensive front because the coaches ask that of him? He gave up a ton of money for the team there. If he would have stayed at end and worked to develop a secondary move, or stayed at a 3 technique he would be a top 3 pick.