Draft-Day Trade Watch: Doug Martin

April 27th, 2017

Prepare yourself

Maybe it’s tonight, far more likely on Saturday, Day 3 of the NFL Draft.

Yes, there’s a reasonable chance Doug Martin gets traded.

Joe realizes this is an uncomfortable thought for many Bucs fans. “But Joe, but Joe, it’s Doug Martin. He’s good insurance. We can sit on him until after the draft or after training camp. We love Doug. He’s painted on the northeast side of the stadium. “

That’s very nice, and Joe gets the sentiment. But keep it real.

Once the Bucs draft a running back in this draft, Doug Martin is just about useless to Tampa Bay. Think about it, the Bucs would have a stud rookie they love, plus Jacquizz Rodgers and Charles Sims, both of whom Dirk Koetter absolutely adores. Peyton Barber as a second-year, inexpensive running back in Koetter’s system is a fine choice as a No. 4 running back on the bubble.

Martin? He becomes a guy unavailable for the first three games, and a guy due $5 million+, after the lost pay for his suspension. And there’s the drug and injury history.

You think Team Glazer wants Martin risking injury in the second half of preseason games at that salary? That’s probably not “insurance” to Team Glazer.

Maybe Martin renegotiates his contract to peanuts plus incentives soon, maybe even today. But that’s unlikely.

More likely is Jason Licht dealing Martin for a seventh-round pick Saturday to a good team looking to take a flyer on Martin. It would be so Bill Belicheat to make that deal.

101 Responses to “Draft-Day Trade Watch: Doug Martin”

  1. Supersam Says:

    He’s not going anywhere, sorry Joe. Lol. As bad as U wanna see Martin gone. He’s staying.

  2. Eric Says:

    I wouldn’t say that. They may love the rookie, but there is a chance he could bust. Quiz won’t last 16 games. Sims is a role player.

    Doug is solid depth and with his presence, our backs would have a higher chance of success. Plus if we keep him and he does ball out, having two or three backs to cycle through is not a bad problem to have. Then his value would increase and we could potentially trade him next year for a higher pick. Maybe a 4th(?)

    I don’t think he’s going anywhere and I certainly wouldn’t trade him for a seventh. He still has the potential to be a top 5 back and in my opinion I think he rebounds big time.


    What are the odds of a team trading for a RB that had 2 1,300 plus seasons and 3 seasons under 500, injured 50% of his caree4r and a drug violation and suspension??

    Tell me the team??

  4. AfroBuc Says:

    Yeah, and that team inherits his $5 million salary.

  5. briandorry55 Says:

    You are quick to forget what happened at running back in 2016.

  6. DB55 Says:

    Carolina – Stewart and Mccaffrey(?)

    NO – Ingraham and Peterson

    Atl – Freeman and ???

    Tampa – Rodgers and Simms

    One of these things is not like the other. Yea we are definitely in win-now mode!!!

    Funny thing is Joe could replace Martin’s name with McCoy and the article would read the same. Rather than 3 game suspension it would be 3 game injury but all the same ish.

  7. Buccaneer scotty Says:

    Who the he’ll would do that?

  8. al121976 Says:

    if he gets traded for anything less than a 4th, I will be pi$$ed. he is still a good RB and we know what he is capable of doing, no 7th rounder has his potential.

  9. Etzel Says:

    I’d take Peyton Barber over Doug at this point.

  10. D-Rome Says:

    However it plays out the bottom line is that Doug Martin will not be a part of this team during the regular season. The Drug Martin apologists out there have to come to grips with that.

  11. Eric Says:

    D-Rome be prepared to be surprised.

  12. T in Orlando Says:

    Doug will not be traded during the draft. His salary prevents it. Any team willing to give up even a 7th rounder for him will want to renegotiate his salary and the 5 minutes between picks is not enough time to do so.

    There’s a better chance he’s traded in the next 8 hours before the draft, so the team getting him can cross RB of their draft list (or at least not a need) and negotiate a salary they would want to pay him.

  13. A-Train Says:

    When a player is trying to earn a spot and get paid they come out at their BEST….

    Martin is in this position, He needs to prove himself again, and get his pay back..

    BUCS need to negotiate a small salary with bonuses and run him …

    WE know what Martin will do when he has to proven himself.

  14. A-Train Says:

    For a 7th rounder I bet New England would jump all over Martin..

    Remember Blount….HE was a BUC with issues.. What did he do for them…

    Bucs are in the perfect spot with Martin why would they give him up?

  15. Joeypoppems Says:

    I guess a 7th round pick is better than potentially just cutting him… I still say a decision wont be made on him until week 3

  16. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Even Martin’s best years had a few huge games that inflated his stats; and he has always struggled in the red zone. At best he’s been a top 10ish type back maybe – at best; and at his worst he’s been as bad as anyone.

    2 bad years in 5 = please move on. Stability at the position would be nice

  17. Lunchbox Says:

    Anyone who thinks that Martin is worth more than some used jock straps on the trade market is smoking something. We’d be LUCKY to get a 7th round pick for him.

  18. DBS Says:

    Yes it would be so Belicheat. Then watch him ride Martin in his heathy season to yet another Super Bowl. And the Bucs? Yup go 5-11. That would be just about typical around here.

    Not saying keep him. Just the Bucs luck.

  19. unbelievable Says:

    Trading Martin to New England for a 7th rounder would be so Bucs of us…

    I’d like to think Jason Licht is not as pathetic as Dom was in that regard.

  20. Lunchbox Says:

    Think about it. Only two good years stat-wise. Not good in short yardage. Not good on the goal line. Suspended first three games. AND a $5 million salary? AND on the wrong side of 30. People have a saying about RB’s like that. It has to do with 10 foot poles.

  21. unbelievable Says:

    Keep Martin, let him play his ass off on a prove-it, incentive type deal. And then let some other team overpay him next year.

    We get a good season out of Doug, and then he’s someone else’s problem. Kind of seems like a win-win.

  22. Dreambig Says:

    Doug is done. Out of 5 seasons, Doug has played in 16 games only twice. Both times he ran for 1400+ yards. In the other three, he has played in 11 games or less and in each of those three seasons he ran for less than 500 yards. The max he could play this year is 13 games, odds are he will be less than 500 yards again. Time to move on. Tell me what team is going to throw away anything more than a 6th or 7th rounder on a gamble like that. He is inconsistant at best. Only 2.9 ypc last year. Why should anyone expect more?

  23. Lunchbox Says:

    The New England Brady’s will probably go get Perine and Cooper Kupp. I doubt they’d want Martin.

  24. unbelievable Says:

    ^^ Is 28 on the wrong side of 30? Interesting math…

  25. TNOLES Says:

    Get rid off him you never know what you are gonna get with this guy. If he could of been the running back from two years ago we would have made the playoffs last year but……. we got the old Doug, hurt and not very productive

  26. tmaxcon Says:


    If I could ask you a small favor this fine NFL draft day… Can you please explain how you came to the rationale that Doug Martin who is often injured and one of the most unreliable backs in buccaneer history is solid depth. Solid Depth implies reliability. Doug Martin has never been reliable. I’ll give you that he has had a few good games over his career but dependable, reliable, consistent will never be attributes to describe the gerbil. I get it if you are butt hurt you dropped coin on a jersey if that’s the case just say so man. we are here to help. i’ll get a gofund me campaign going for you and get you that new Cook jersey.

  27. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Has Martin reworked his contract? If not, he’s not getting traded.

    I like him and think he deserves another chance, but he really needs to rework that contract or get released.

    I’m not opposed to him remaining in Tampa if we get a true short yardage back and Martin is cheap.

  28. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    tmaxcon, if Martin reworks his contract and becomes depth, he would absolutely become good depth. As a backup, he would more likely remain healthy because he would get less playing time.

    A hard hitting short yardage back could get the hard yards…so he could be used more effectively.

    But depending on what we get for him, I would not mind trading, because this draft is full of great RBs. And that, I’m afraid…is probably why we won’t get a trade off for him. Especially if the league sees the Bucs draft a RB…then they would know Martin will be released.

  29. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    TNOLES Says
    “Get rid off him you never know what you are gonna get with this guy. If he could of been the running back from two years ago we would have made the playoffs last year but……. we got the old Doug, hurt and not very productive”

    You are right, and most of it is Doug’s fault because he wasn’t clean.

    But we also had one of the worst offensive lines last year, so no…we would not have made the playoffs because of the run game…because the run game would not have produced either way.

  30. tmaxcon Says:

    do you martin fools realize that Blount scored 18 touchdowns last year and the gerbil only has like 21 or 22 for his ENTIRE unreliable below average career. don’t mistake a few good games for a career although some the same group has already labeled Tandy a hall of famer for half a good season in 5 years or so… results matter the fan boy BS is hilarious though

  31. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    Doug is solid depth

    Sorry to be blunt but I honestly do not understand this sentiment. If you only show up for work 40% of the time your employer does not consider that “solid”.

    But I do like that word in one sense to describe Doug. At his very best…just two of five years he was “solid”…not game changing…not frightening at all.

    I think Lord C nailed Doug’s Buc’s career

    Even Martin’s best years had a few huge games that inflated his stats; and he has always struggled in the red zone. At best he’s been a top 10ish type back maybe – at best; and at his worst he’s been as bad as anyone.

    And in the beginning Doug was not a threat to catch the ball out of the backfield…I give him credit for working hard on his hands but even at the end he only became an adequate pass catcher…seriously you couldn’t even mention him in the same breath as Dalvin or McCaffery in that part of the game.

  32. tmaxcon Says:


    martin is a POS just like the leader of the losing culture. get him out of the locker room he is garbage and does not care about winning nor his teammates or he would not of screwed them over last year. next gerbil up.

  33. DBS Says:

    And Exactly where did they get Blount from tmax? Remember the guy that was “to stupid” in Tampa.

  34. Lunchbox Says:

    Unbelievable-my mistake regarding the “wrong side of 30” comment. Good looking out.

  35. tmaxcon Says:


    oh I know… the bucs have let some of the best players in the nfl go over that BS choirboy / team captain philosophy. The team must learn how to manage talent to be consistently successful. Not all talented players are angels. the choir boy experiment was a complete and total failure.

  36. Eric Says:

    Tmax don’t ever condescend me like that bro. I will be sure to go in on you for every dumbass post you make from here on out, which is a lot. You are laughed at on this website bro. Don’t make it worse.

    If I have to explain to you how an already proven player on this roster(even if he has been injured) would be solid depth that already has proven to be a top 5 back in the NFL twice, then you already lost. Dependability is an issue but don’t act like everyone here hasn’t been debating his retention for months, half of which disagree with you.

    Fact is when the guy is on, he’s on. This is the exact same recipe for a monster doug season and if you don’t think that a rookie, doug, sims, quiz and barber is solid depth then this comment is just as irrational as most of yours are.

  37. Buc4Lyfe79 Says:

    Why are you even here supersam? Go back to gumming Mariotta’s crotch and STFU.

  38. Eric Says:

    stepetebucs fan

    Thank you for being intelligent with your response. Fact is Doug has never been labeled as depth before. He was a starter. Quiz is injury prone but wouldn’t you say he is solid depth? Doug may not be an elite starter but he could back up a player, no doubt. He hasn’t been given the opportunity to play a depth role and considering he hasn’t been healthy all season for the majority of his career, this may be his best spot.

    Fact is depth players are players that are considered to not be as efficient or cannot stay healthy in a workhorse role. Doug may be the latter.

  39. tmaxcon Says:


    you are funny tough guy. i was being polite not condescending but i guess your ignorant arse can’t tell the difference. all martin has proven is he is unreliable and a part time player at best. he has done nothing in his career but lose and pick up garbage yards. and dude if you take anyone serous in a comment section you are the one in need of serious help. it’s an opinion free for all… have a great day snowflake

  40. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Doug Martin isn’t the only Buc RB getting injured. Last season they had 5 RBs to miss time with injuries.

  41. Gencoimports Says:

    Using Joe’s logic, the Steelers should have dumped Le’Veon Bell EACH of the last two years due to his TWO PED suspensions, plus missing more time to an injured knee.

    The difference between Bell and Martin (as a runner) is Bell could take a nap behind his offensive line and still get 5 yards (notice how he typically waits and waits to pick a hole to run through after taking a handoff, something that would get him killed here if he tried here).

    That said, part of Doug’s 2016 campaign is on Doug. You can’t blame it all on the line, the predictable playcalling, or defenses staking the line because we had no vertical threats on the outside. It’s on him he didn’t report in the same shape he did the year before and it’s on him he got hooked on PED.

    Early indications are he is in as good of shape as 2015 if not better. It appears he has something to prove. If he keeps it up, he deserves a second chance.

    I’m all for drafting a RB in this draft but it’s not this “we’re going to die” priority if we don’t take Cook at 19. Martin, Rodgers, Sims and whoever we take would make for a potent stable of backs,

    And have others had said nobody is going to trade for Martin with his salary and considering what a deep draft of RBs we have out there. Joe’s idol AP can’t demand a salary half of Martin’s and Jamaal Charles is just sitting out there but Joe thinks a trade is a possibility. Please.

  42. martinii Says:

    Two Pro Bowlers who in no way deserve to be referred to as “garbage.” This kind of hate makes me sick to my stomach and totally undermines the efforts of two of our most high profile performers. Injuries have affected both these men and yes Martin took PED’s but it doesn’t make him garbage it makes him human. He deserves a chance to compete for a roster spot. If he doesn’t measure up than he should be let go, but he is not Garbage by any standard.

  43. Fred E. Buc Says:

    Sorry Joe, but this is laughable. I’m not wed to Martin, but I’m still betting he does his deal over…not for pennies as you say…but lower. And I think they draft Marlon Mack in Round 3, both for local draw and insurance on depth. If anyone goes, it will be Sims or Barber. Sims will draft a 5th or 6th round pick perhaps…

    Is Martin better than Sims when he’s healthy and right in the head? Yes. Can we expect Martin to be ready to go? Yes. Is Sims injured as much or more than Martin? Yes. Does Sims have any baggage to reduce the trade value (like suspensions)? No. Did Rodgers and Sims and Barber spell Martin okay last year? I think so. So plug in Mack, keep Martin, and there’s your duo.

  44. Fred E. Buc Says:

    Correction…Sims will bring a 5th or 6th round draft pick perhaps…

  45. USFBUC Says:

    I don’t think Martin is going anywhere. One, he is suspended. Two, his career has been up and down. Three, he is primed for another solid year based on his past performance. Four, it’s not like we have a solid collection of RBs that we can fall back on. Five, there is no way to know how which ever rookie we draft will make it in the NFL.

  46. DavidBigBucFan99 Says:

    We trade him to the Poohtriots and he will put up 250 yards and 3 scores on us bet you.

    Wow Tmax when you hate someone you really hate them don’t you? Even against people you’ve never known and probably never will. Martin a pos??? For real just because he took a rec drug??? Cause he let the team down???? I guess you’ve never made a mistake without even thinking without thinking of the consequences. You must be the only perfect person on earth today. Able to walk on water, heal the sick, blind and make wine out of water. You should stop casting so many stones cuz. You can’t even hold Douggernauts or GMac93s jockstrap

  47. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    I do not loathe Doug like some here. So I certainly take your point. If he cut the right deal and was happy sitting on the bench I would not be opposed.

    I think Joe has it correct though in that I do not believe Doug would be happy with that situation. Doug is going to take a hit in the pocketbook for the Molly no matter where he goes…but there are teams that will surely offer him more work than the Bucs will provide.

    But I do take your point…a backup is different than a starter.

    It’s not just Doug for me…it’s all the “other” backs in the draft “who will do”.
    I do not want another good or solid back….I want an RB who can change games like our two WR’s.

    I can see this working many way though. Dalvin seems like the easiest route but if we trade back and get a bunch of choices and got say…Foreman with Curtis Samuels…those would be two sure weapons for #3 with two wildly different games. Together though they could perhaps do some damage.

  48. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    T in Orlando thank you for stating the obvious. Joe, there is no way in hell Martin with that bloated salary will be negotiated for a late round pick during the draft. There are too many details that would need to be worked out so there is no chance and trade like that will just happen on the fly.
    What details? All the same reasons people think he should stay are the same reasons a team would toss a junk pick in his direction.–Joe

  49. Soflo Bucsfan Says:

    I agree with @Supersam on this one joe….u mad?

  50. lurker Says:

    Joes come up with garbage posts just to incite. There is no trade happening.

    Doug Martin had his plays but is not the back I want. I get tired of watching him break a big run just to get caught from behind. Receivers too.

  51. Eric Says:

    You’re even dumber than I thought if you think there wasn’t any form of condescension in your rebuttal.

    Lol we all take each other with a grain of salt in here. You just seem to post irrational analysis on a daily basis. It can get mind blowing at times. So when you state something as dumb as Doug couldn’t provide depth in a manner as you did, I’m about done with your ignorance.

    You must be 60+ using the term “snowflake”. Stop playing that term out, bro.

  52. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Fred, USF draws what, 20k or so, people to their games? Have you ever been to USF/FSU game? They fill the stands with FSU fans when that happens. Franchises do not make picks on local players to attract fans. They certainly would not do this for a middling back from a middling school that doesn’t have a rabid fan base locally.

  53. tmaxcon Says:


    i don’t hate martin… i could careless. he can not help the team win. i am not a fan boy married to players. I want the team to win and could careless who they let go to accomplish that. simple as that. second i could careless about recreational drug use. I myself partake frequently that being said he let his team down. he was not at his best and he likely cost the team a playoff birth. those are why i could careless what happens to him. he demonstrated he could careless what happen to his team with his performance 3 of the last 5 years. If I blow a bid or a deal that costs my guys cash I hear about and so should he. its their job and he failed if you fail at your job consistently 3 of the last 5 years do you think that check is going to be waiting for you regardless of what the excuses are.

  54. Eric Says:


    All good points. I know doug is proud enough to bounce if needed. I just think there is tremendous value in having him grow with a rookie, which is inevitable at this point. We would have killed to have more than one option after quiz went down with doug already out. Doug may not last a full season again, but I wouldn’t mind him waiting in the wings. I would laugh if we dropped him for a 7th. Might as well retain him.

    I agree though about a latter round rb you suggested. I think perine, mixon, or mack should all ball out. I’m just reluctant to put all the eggs in one basket. Doug could rebound and that’s my only point. We’ll see…

    Either way, we’re leaving the weekend with a new running back and we’ll see what happens with doug after then. If we go rb round 1, bye bye martin…

  55. Cobraboy Says:

    He gets cut before traded. No one wants his $7 million contract because it would count against their cap immediately.

    I suspect he’s going no where.

  56. Eric Says:

    Martin has at times been above average, but not a game changer.

    We need greatness.

    Ergo, draft Dalvin Cook.

  57. Eric Says:

    Eric can you change your name to evil eric and i’ll be angel eric?

    Philly’s taking DC.

  58. WESLEY Says:

    keep hating on Joe.

  59. Steven007 Says:

    Hi Maxi! Ha-ha – ‘tough guy’, ‘snowflake’, good to see you’re recycling your go to phrases. I even saw a ‘leader of the losing culture’ sprinkled in for good measure! You were clearly being patronizing to Eric with your keyboard warrior ways. I could see that, he could obviously see that. And it’s clearly the way you intended it to be interpreted. But maybe we’re wrong. Maybe you call Martin a ‘gerbil’ because you think he’s cute? If so I detect a pattern here. I’m sure you wish you could quit Dougy just like you wish you could quit GMC. You know what they say, when there’s so much hate and invective it points to closeted behavior. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Will you be at the draft party tonight? I’ll look for the rainbow pin.


  60. Eric Says:

    LOL Steven007

    See Tmax, there are many of us that share the same sentiment of the perception you give off. Consistent, irrational negativity.

    Rainbow pin…hahahahaha

  61. bucs_365 Says:

    I think a Charles Sims trade is much more likely than Doug Martin. Of course, neither of them are gonna get you more than a 5th rounder, so we’re talking about day 3. Of course, in an exchange of multiple picks, one of them could be thrown in to sweeten the deal a little bit… but I really don’t think they’re going to unload Martin. In fact, I think, if he’s mentally and physically healthy, they’re gonna keep him and he’ll be an effective player again.

  62. Gencoimports Says:

    Charles Sims shouldnt be traded either. He just needs to be used correctly – he needs to be in the slot more and behind the QB less.

  63. Tom S. Says:

    Exhibit YY of GM Joe doesn’t know player value.

    Doug Martin is worthless at his current deal with a 3 game suspension next year. He would have to have already agreed to a restructured deal before a team traded ANYTHING for him. And why would Martin agree to restructure so he could get traded somewhere he didn’t choose?

    Legarrate Blount (18 TD’s last year), free agent. Jamaal Charles, free agent. Adrian Peterson, signs for 3.5 million. Eddie Lacy signed for 1 year 4.25 million. BUUUUT some dumb team is going to give up something of value for a suspended running back with in his late 20’s with a drug problem and a contract that is currently the same as Eddie Lacy and Adrian Peterson’s COMBINED. LOL you’re worse than a message board poster when it comes to this stuff Joe.

  64. Gencoimports Says:

    Well put Tom S. I think Joe’s realized it has been a slow new days so far and he probably has a calendar or a countdown clock set up to remind him how many days it has been since he wrote an anti-Martin piece and decided it was time to hit it again to pick up web traffic.

  65. JonBuc Says:

    Time to move on from Martin…and no team will want his (now) ridiculous contract. I was a big supporter of his until the suspension came out. He screwed the Bucs big time last season with poor performance and should have been in year 2 of a very lucrative contract for him this seaon.Now…running back is a glaring need.

  66. SCBucsFan Says:

    I agree with Tom S; no one it trading for a player with his contract issues but I have to be fair, Joe is constant with his anti Martin pro Cook blurbs.

  67. Fred E. Buc Says:

    Touchdown TB….yes, good points. You are right, and I do know FSU fills the stands, and we’ve got two of the FSU stars here already. Well, one really in Jameis. I know USF doesn’t draw like FSU but the locals who do go are die hards…and they live HERE. Marlon Mack doesn’t have the same injury and character concerns either, though we’ve beat that dead horse!

    Gencoimports…I agree Sims needs to be use correctly, but is he an all-down back? Can he ever be effective anywhere but the short pass or outside? Been a few years now, and I’m not sure he’s any better than Barber, who is cheaper and isn’t in a contract year.

  68. BigHogHaynes Says:

    We will never have a reliable, dependent, sure fire , running back until we…BUILD THE DAMN WALL!

  69. Brett Says:

    Who is going to trade for him without a renegotiated contract?

  70. Issic Haggins Says:

    I would hope Licht has already approached his agent about a restructure that is acceptable, because if he’s cut he’s gonna be lucky to get 2 mil. This makes him much more tradable and is going to be a better salary for Doug . I think if he stays on the roster you can get at least a fourth after the suspension and injuries hit .Patience my friend , Patience !!


    The Bucs just traded a 4th rd pick for a RB that ran for 1300 yards twice in 5 years
    but he was injured 3 out of 5 years and didn’t crack 500 yards those years
    and he is coming off suspension for PED use. 4 game suspension

    if the Bucs made a trade for a RB with that history and resume, this fan base would be complaining and calling sports radio to find out what drugs the GM and HC are on??

  72. Gencoimports Says:

    Fred E. Buc,

    I never saw Sims as an every down back. I see him as someone you use the way the Patiots used Shane Vareen a few years back or Dion Lewis the last couple of years (even though there is a noticeable size difference) … Both got injured yet I never heard from their fan base about either of them being run out of town. Neither are effective at running between the tackles on running downs, only when the defense is focused against the pass. They are great weapons if used correctly. Same deal with Sims.

  73. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    BIG HOG HAYNES right on….the bucs and jamesi and ultimately the RBs need some hogs up front…all the playoff teams had a good to great QB and a stud OL

  74. America's Commenter Says:

    While $5M sounds like a lot of money to most of us, it’s practically peanuts for an NFL veteran. The 2017 salary cap is set at $167M, so Doug’s $5M is about 2.9% of the cap. The healthy and hungry 2015 version of Doug Martin is certainly worth more than $5M. He’s probably worth $5M if he simply gets 1,000 yards rushing.

  75. Gencoimports Says:

    Fred E. Buc,

    Remember the year Sims had in 2015? or the catch and run for a TD he made against the Falcons on opening day last year? I haven’t seen anything that resembles that out of Barber. Not yet anyway.

  76. ndog Says:

    For those of you that want to bash the oline it’s interesting that Quizz averaged more than 1 yard more a carry that Doug behind the same line. And I guess the entire oline was based upon Mankins cause just two years ago this same exact line besides Mankins had the number two rusher in the league when he decided he wanted to play football. Doug hosed this team, his teammates, and us as fans and there is no way any one of those groups should ever trust him again. In my eyes all he can be counted on is as a backup to another back that actually wants to play football and cares about his teammates.

  77. FloridaGirl Says:

    Bye Felicia

  78. Buc Fan South Tampa Says:

    Man, thats cold…..

  79. Gencoimports Says:

    ndog, you should read this, hopefully you can understand it.


  80. ndog Says:

    Blah, blah, blah. This doesn’t account for vision and certainly does not account for choosing drugs over your organization, teammates, and fans.

  81. ndog Says:

    For me good friend Blake yes McCaffrey and Sims have a similar body type and testing times. See below:

    Height: McCaffrey:5’11, Sims: 6’0
    Weight: McCaffrey: 202, Sims: 211
    Combine 40 time: McCaffrey: 4.48 Sims: 4.48

    So like I said the same size (actually McCaffrey is smaller which is not good) and the exact same speed. Now McCaffrey has better vision and cutting ability but my point was that he will get beat up if used as a every down back and that all he will ever be is a specialty back, just like Sims.

  82. Gencoimports Says:

    ndog, that article explains a lot but you have an agenda.

    I guess you would also have Kwon Alexander drawn and quartered as well after the 2015 season?

  83. ndog Says:

    Nope Kwon did not sign a big deal THEN mail it in. No agenda here I just want players on my team that put playing the game high on their list of priorities. Doug clearly does not do that plus even when at his best he does not have the breakaway speed to score, see Redskins game two years ago and about 20 other times his slow self got caught from behind.

  84. Gencoimports Says:

    Doug may have screwed up on drugs but he hardly mailed it it, not behind that OL. It must be so awesome to be so perfect and never had made a mistake.

  85. mike10 Says:

    Ya I’m with Supersam, up top. No way this happens.

    The way I see this Martin situation is would I rather have Doug, Rodgers, Sims, or Barber?

    Of course we’re drafting a RB to be their #1, but I’d take Doug to tote 12 carries as his backup over all those scrubs above.

    … and he will renegotiate. No one will pay him $5mil, and he loves Tampa.

    Let’s stop overthinking this.

  86. Not there yet Says:

    The picture you just painted about this guy why on earth would a team give up any compensation on a guy who is probably going too get cut. Is a 7th going to contribute more than Doug if we kept him? 4 more hours before we have to stop listening to non football people talk football. Ready to evaluate the roster after this weekend to know where we stack up with the rest of the league after the draft.

  87. Rod Munch Says:

    If Joe was in charge of the Steelers he would have cut Bell – because how can you gameplay for not having a player for 3 week? They would have cut Bell and probably signed Alfred Morris or something.

  88. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    Confusion abounds! Could we please have a poll. How many want Doug Martin to remain a Buc? How many want him to leave because of his drug use? How many simply don’t want him around because they feel we can do better talent wise?

  89. mike10 Says:

    And a 7th rd pick?! What good does that do us? Name me a 7th rd pick that made it out of training camp for the Bucs…

  90. ndog Says:

    Drugs are not a mistake they are a choice. Saying anything other than that is a cop out. When others are counting on you and you make a bad choice it is not a mistake it is a choice to put your pleasure over the ones counting on you.

  91. Buccfan37 Says:

    I’ll remain a fan of Martin even if he goes elsewhere. I think he stays right here.

  92. LakeLandBuc Says:

    If you take away the 49ers game and the first Carolina game. Quizz didn’t do nothing behind this garbage O-Line. 154 against 49ers, 101 against Carolina. The other 8 games 305 yards.

  93. buc15 Says:

    so much dumbness in one section. Martin will be a Buc and will be fine. Come on 8 o’clock!

  94. Gencoimports Says:

    ok, ndog, based on that statement the Bucs should have run Kwon out of town, and the Steelers should have run Bell out of town. Just like the many Buc players (like Talib) we did get rid of for one mistake or another and then go on to kick butt on other teams. I am so sick of that.

    And let’s draft a RB with way more character issues and fumbled 13 times in college, nearly twice as many as Martin has in 5 years. Boy that makes a lot of sense.

  95. darin Says:

    Belly-check gets another RB and theyre gona have to run the wishbone. I hope we get a rb tonight or tomorrow then do get a pick for doug. He had his chance n he blew it here. He is about to learn the consequences. Go bucs

  96. Tom S. Says:


    You must have forgotten that RB salaries are in themselves peanuts compared to most positions since the position was devalued. Martin’s full salary puts him at 4th in the league, even with suspension his adjusted 5.5+ million dollar salary would put him as the 8th highest paid running back in the league just under Ezekiel Elliot and above Giovanni Bernard, and those players are expected to play all 16 games, not 13 at absolute best.

    Now do you think the Bucs are dumb enough to keep Doug Martin as a top 10 paid back for 13 games when they can cut him and force him to sign for a 2-3 million dollar one year deal (still a top 32 RB contract) because absolutely no one will pay him more than that? I hope not.

  97. Gencoimports Says:

    LakelandBuc, you are exactly right, but they will never listen. They don’t want to. And they will be the same ones to bitch when Martin’s replacement (whoever that is, whenever that happens) gets stuffed behind the line.

  98. Tom S. Says:

    Fun fact: RB’s making between 2-3 million next year are ranked 27-30 in highest NFL salary. They are 27. Danny Woodhead 2.933 28 (tie). Isaiah Crowell, Chris Thompson 2.746 30. Melvin Gordon 2.667


  99. BFFL Says:

    Sell high buy low. Trade martin next year after he gains his rep back and you rework his contract

  100. Rod Munch Says:

    Le’Veon Bell had played 4 seasons, out of those 4 seasons he’s had 2 good years, which are basically on-par with Martin’s 2 good years in his first 4 seasons. Bell missed 3 games his rookie year, 10 games his 3rd year and 4 games last year – and he was suspended for 3 games to start last season. I guess Pittsburgh should have cut him and went with a new guy, because you know… you know? I mean you know.

    Anywho the team is being coy on Martin because he has proven when motived, like when he was in a contract year, he can perform and be on the top backs in football. When he gets comfortable he’s not as good. So what better way to make sure Martin is back to being an all-pro than telling everyone you have little faith in him. If the team has no faith in Martin then he’ll get cut. I can’t forsee anyone trading for Martin when they know he’ll get cut and he as a $7m/year contract.

    Personally I’m hoping the Bucs stay the course with Martin for at least this season – BUT that doesn’t mean you don’t create your backup plans. To me there is nothing about taking Cook that means you dump Martin. If Cook outplays Martin then the choice is easy – you can cut Martin or keep him as a high priced insurance policy for a team that is expecting a playoff run. However if Martin is motivated he’s the only all-pro running back in team history, and you literally can’t have too many good players at the position. Take Tennessee for example, you got Murray and Henry, what about having Murray makes Henry any less valuable or a choice for the future? If Cook is there and they think he’s a star, then draft him – but I’d keep Martin and see if he shows up on fire. Then again if you take Cook and he’s amazing during those opening three games, then you have Martin waiting, boiling, angry, ready to prove himself when he gets back. That’s a good thing – not a bad thing.

  101. First Down Tampa Bay Says:

    Good god did we all forget this man was the 2nd leading rusher just two seasons ago? We all know what he is capable of. Even if we were going to trade him, we would need much more than just a 6 or 7. What good does a fullback that will get cut by training camp do for us?