He’s The Franchise
February 3rd, 2017
Looking back at the 2016 season, a former Bucs quarterback believes it was a strong season for the current Bucs quarterback.
That’s what Trent Dilfer said about America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
Taking to the airwaves recently on WDAE-AM 620, Dilfer is of the mind the Bucs are in good hands.
“I thought it was very good,” Dilfer said of Jameis’ season. “I think the eyeball test of all the quarterbacks I talk to, guys that have played the position at the NFL level or guys that have coached at a high level, they will all tell you he has got it. He passes the eyeball test. He has all the things you are looking for in a big time guy, a guy who you can put the franchise on his shoulders. I think that is what you are looking for by the end of your third year and [Jameis] has done it by the end of his second year.”
Dilfer also dropped the word, “exceeded” in reference to Jameis.
Joe looks at teams so desperate for quarterbacks; they make moronic trades or grossly overpay for schlock talent and further put their teams in purgatory.
The Bucs were once that type of a team. No more!
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:06 am
I’m pulling for the Pats to win Sunday. Then, hopefully, we can add the pieces to make the Bucs the 3rd NFC South team to go to the Super Bowl, and maybe then we can do what the other teams couldn’t.
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:12 am
But Joe…the overthrows….
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:24 am
….and the interceptions ….and the sacks.
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:29 am
Trent Dilfer couldn’t quite get it done here in Tampa but what a difference a top defense and a running game could make for even a average QB. (not an average QB mind tho)
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:30 am
He is young he was and will be expected to make mistakes. Even with as ready as he was for the NFL it is a completely different game than college. These teams in the NFL are basically all star college teams.
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:31 am
…and the what the h3ll would we look like without him right now…
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:36 am
Manning averaged nearly 15 INT’s per season.
So far JW’s averaging 16 per.
Favre averaged 17 per.
Marino averaged 14 per.
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:37 am
We got our QB, we have our WR1, we need our RB, and secondary WRs and the offense is set for years.
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:38 am
I have been his biggest supporter but this year i am expecting the pointless throws and slight inaccurate passes to be corrected as by the 3rd year young no longer is an excuse.
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:44 am
And yet some moronic team will pay the giraffe for the same results you speak of. Jameis MUST improve his footwork. I wish he would seem out that QB guru Brady, Brees and others use… Ex pitcher turned QB that these guys swear by. I love what his current trainer did for him to get to in peak physical shape. But why not actually try a proven trainer in the mechanics to tweak some things… I’m not sold on him… So what, I know. He’s so close though… To go up or down.
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:46 am
I was just about to say 87 even when Fameis reaches his optimum level in this league he will always be around 12 or 13 ints a season why??? Because he’s a shooter and will never relinquish his shooter mentality. I personally love that ishh.
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:50 am
Very true NosBos Winston is like Favre
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:54 am
Look I love Jameis, he’s our QB man. Someone needs to calm him down before games too. When GMC gave that WWEEEEAAAKK pregame speech before the Cowboys game, the look on #3s face was both inspiring and sad… He wanted so bad for GMCs words to resonate and inspire the team… It didn’t. #3 trying to use HIS body language and expressions to show the team we’re ready…
FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING BUCS… PLEASE NEVER LET gmc DO PREGAME SPEECHES ANYMORE
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:55 am
Yep been comparing him to Favre since before he was drafted.
Correct NOS I expect INT’s just like I expected them from Favre.
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:56 am
Ben the Ga Buc Says
“I’m pulling for the Pats to win Sunday. Then, hopefully, we can add the pieces to make the Bucs the 3rd NFC South team to go to the Super Bowl…”
Wait…I was going to say we were the first…but were we NFC South in 2002?
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:59 am
Matt Ryan 11 ints/yr avg
Rodgers 6 ints/yr avg
Tom Brady 9 ints/yr avg
Joe Montana 9 ints/yr avg
What’s your point 87?
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:03 pm
OAR… YOU JUST BLEW MY MIND homie
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:03 pm
Pregame speech was the problem. If anyone other than GMC had done that damn pregame speech we would have beaten the Cowboys 50-0. LOL! Haters gonna hate!
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:04 pm
OAR…I can cherry pick too and I did.
So your point is what?
Marino,Favre and Manning all sucked compared to the list you looked up.
Manning also threw 28 INT’s in first season.
My point is. You seem to be worried about the INT’s and I’m not.
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:07 pm
Also to show you that he’s not on par with the Brady’s, Ryan’s, and Montana’s of the world. I guess that’s what you’re expecting. The next Montana or Brady. When you’re simply going to get the next Favre. Perhaps that’s not good enough for you, but it is for me.
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:10 pm
And Ryans more like 12 and 1/2 to 13 per.
Check your math.
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:11 pm
Glad your not worried about an important thing as turnovers.
BTW His 239 yards lost to sacks this year pull his yards per catch down from 11 yds to 6.8 yds.
He needs to make better decisions. (429 yards in two years in sacks)
He needs to hold onto the rock better with his 16 fumbles.
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:11 pm
Touchdown… Relax yo, I’m calling it how I say it… Hate, please… I NEVER HATE ON ANOTHER MAN
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:12 pm
Aww sorry I missed one on error…need a tissue
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:13 pm
Bonzai we sure were in the South. That season we lost to the Saints twice.
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:17 pm
Okay I already proved my point but dayum you’re cherrypicking Rodgers????
Averaging 6 INT’s per season?? Yet his first 3 years in the NFL he only played in 7 games in which he only threw one INT in mostly mop up duty. I guess all that counts.
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:21 pm
Well I got news for you all, and NOS can back me up if he likes.
Winston ain’t going to change nothing and we WILL win SB’s with the same mechanics and the same style of play. He won’t throw balls away. So get used to the sacks too.
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:23 pm
I think his point his our expectations are that he will always be a down field thrower of the football so some ints can expected bro. I was on a dallas site a month or so ago and unbenounced to many around the country they’re many in they’re fan base was calling Dak “check down Dak” and were aching for a return of Tony Romo. Give Fameis what USF stated and we’ll begin to see a diffrence in that area. Until then expect them because wit out the tools I’m sure the young man feels a great deal of pressure to live up to being the first overall selection thusly he’s going to pull the trigger.
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:23 pm
Rodgers adjusted is still only 8 int a year. WTF you need a box of tissues?
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:25 pm
He ain’t gone change bro. Ion care what another QB does. What you see is what you get wit Fameis. Hate it or love it. Like it or leave.
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:28 pm
And which is it??? INTs or sacks yards loss??? Would you rather he throw the ball in those sacks situations thusly creating more INTs.
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:30 pm
@Bonzai
I neglected to say third NFC South team in a row, and do what the other two could not. Didn’t quite come out the way I wanted.
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:31 pm
What 87 said. Same mechanics in all. Just give him the tools. And we’ll start competing for super Sunday’s. IT WILL NEVER BE PRETTY LIKE BRADY OR BREES. It will WIN.. Always has dude.
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:32 pm
Which is it? Really???……It’s all of that $h!t
Would you rather he throw the ball in those sacks situations thusly creating more INTs. Really???….Come on you never seen a QB throw a ball away? Give me a break. You sound like a news network putting words in my mouth.
February 3rd, 2017 at 12:51 pm
“he has got it. He passes the eyeball test”
Say n’more say n’more
tickrdr – this is the bottom line. I doubt anyone of any merit has ever said those words about MG8.
February 3rd, 2017 at 1:01 pm
Until Jameis gets the turnovers and accuracy under control he won’t pass the eyeball test. The reason the Bucs didn’t make the playoffs Winston’s 24 turnovers.
In the close losses his turnovers gave the opponents free points and extra possessions. If you don’t see this as a problem you need to stick to rooting for the Noles as you don’t understand the razor thin margin for error in the pro game. I like Jameis and I’m no hater I just expected more improvement than we saw. Hoping for big things from him in year 3
February 3rd, 2017 at 1:16 pm
Yes he is!!! If we get more weapons for him we could be unstoppable on offense. The biggest of which would be a running back or running back tandem the defenses have to account for.
February 3rd, 2017 at 1:20 pm
Joe Mixon is not invited to the combine
February 3rd, 2017 at 1:24 pm
So you telling me in every sack situation a QB has a chance to unload the football out of bounds??? Really dude??? You sound well I’ll just leave it…
February 3rd, 2017 at 1:27 pm
So when a QB is sacked from the blind side and never sees that DE coming you saying his “spidey sense” should always kick inn and tell him to chug it??? Really dude??? Again I’ll leave it..
February 3rd, 2017 at 1:32 pm
Brandan they don’t seem to get how impactful that in which you just stated can and will be for a young QB(see Dak Prescott). Many appear to wanna see him fling the ball all around the field all game. I don’t I want balance. Makes creating a defensive game plan all the more harder. I could careless about Fameis throwing for 5000 or leading the league in TD passes. A mean run coupled with a “Gamer” QB is recipe for frequenting the tournament.
February 3rd, 2017 at 1:34 pm
That’s too bad for that young man GOAT. And they feel I’m out of bounds for saying he’ll have trouble being drafted.
February 3rd, 2017 at 1:36 pm
You can’t argue the eyeball test. Sweet jeez, he’s less then average when it comes to accuracy. I’m not hating at all. I want him to conquer the world with the BUCS logo as his shield. But damn, he misses way too much. That being said…I DON’T want him to be the next whoever.. SCREW THAT…
HE will be the ONE who leads us… Jameis, Kwon as his #1… HELLO WORLD
February 3rd, 2017 at 1:58 pm
Yea if that is true about Mixon that reaaaaaally hurts him. Definitely wasnt expecting that.
February 3rd, 2017 at 2:12 pm
Some people are clueless and just simply do not like jameis regardless. You know……mariota lovers. How in the world can any one who claim to know football blame jameis for the bucs not making the playoffs. He uneducated fan, the defense that played like crap the first 9 weeks had something to do with the bucs not making the playoffs. This is a buc board, go take your mariota loving a$$ to the titans board
February 3rd, 2017 at 2:18 pm
Jameis Winston is coming along good. But he is far away from a finished product.
February 3rd, 2017 at 2:23 pm
Again Nole….. putting words in my mouth/post. Never said every time. Yea I guess all those QBs that throw a ball away to avoid a sack are dumb??? He holds onto the ball too long period….your man love for him is blinding. Please just really leave it…this time…..
February 3rd, 2017 at 2:29 pm
I hope that last Dallas drive doesn’t scar him. He won’t succeed until that line and WR corp get upgraded MAJOR!
February 3rd, 2017 at 2:29 pm
Yea I’m sure all of his sacks were from the blindside….too F’n funny!!!
February 3rd, 2017 at 2:34 pm
Well do us all a favor and clarify next time dude. Cause when you don’t and someone gives an example going the opposite way it makes you look stupid. Now continue slapping your knee until the cap unhinges.
February 3rd, 2017 at 2:46 pm
@Webster- why do you automatically assume just because someone is critical of #3 that they like another QB? You can like Jameis and the team, be a fan and be critical of him at the same time. When the draft was approaching everyone said Jameis had a high football IQ that hasn’t proven to be true just yet. You don’t see Jameis audible very much or learn from his mistakes (Turnovers in 13 of 16 games) and he consistently holds the ball way too long leading to fumbles and bad mechanics.
As a season ticket holder I want him to be good but after a certain point his play needs to improve. Being a cheerleader is good but after awhile that rah rah stuff gets ignored if you are the reason the team is losing close games with turnovers and bad decisions
February 3rd, 2017 at 2:54 pm
Don’t waste your time NOSBOS. Some people just want to be petty and piss peps off. Always will find something to whine about. Go Bucs!!!
February 3rd, 2017 at 2:55 pm
The mechanics man I love those mechanics. Same one’s that have thrown for how many touchdowns??? I mean since we talking INTs should we not make mention of those as well???
February 3rd, 2017 at 2:56 pm
My favorite quote from Trent Dilfer after the draft was;
Trent, “What was your major in college?”
Trent, “Eligibility.”
February 3rd, 2017 at 2:57 pm
I concur Bamabuc.
February 3rd, 2017 at 2:58 pm
Now that’s funny..
February 3rd, 2017 at 3:03 pm
And get what you getting at Dave. I was trying to stay away from going there. But its clear his draft day co-heart is having some issues.
February 3rd, 2017 at 3:03 pm
87, I like Jameis, but this is not the NFL of Favre and Marino. And this is not the 02 Bucs Defense. Accuracy and low interception rates are the skill of the successful playoff, Suler Bowl QBs. High turnovers are for the Ryan Fitzpatricks and Brock Osweilders of the world. Jameis will be the first to tell you that the ints are his weakness. If you want a gunslinger like Favre, go back to 1998 with Favre and enjoy it, or 86 with Dan Marino Theres a reason why Marino never won and only went to one Super Bowl and Favre won one. And without Reggie Whie, never made it back to a Super Bowl..
February 3rd, 2017 at 3:04 pm
Super
February 3rd, 2017 at 3:05 pm
Winston already came out and said his goal this offseason is to improve his footwork which if he does that will adjust his mechanics. So if Winston himself said that idk why the debate lol.
And since we are talking about Winston improving, weapons will obviously help. Curtis Samuel is crazy. I want him on this team lol.
February 3rd, 2017 at 3:09 pm
And I woukd be willing to do a big trade for Cook, but I dont think Licht wil. Unless he drops Nos, but I think he will go top 5, especially after combine and tape watching. That said, we need weapons for Jameis . He holds the ball too long sometimes because of lack of seperation from wr. Davis, John Ross , Samuels, Westbrook. We need one or more of those guys.
February 3rd, 2017 at 3:14 pm
We’ll see how it gose draft night bro.
February 3rd, 2017 at 3:22 pm
Posting opinions and stating facts about his turnovers and mechanics is now being petty? And if that pisses anybody off, they should go change their diapers.
February 3rd, 2017 at 3:29 pm
First QB in NFL history to throw for 4000+ yards in his first two years, he’s only played football year round for 1 1/2 years and he’s still the youngest starting QB in the NFL (yes he’s younger than Dak or Wentz). He reminds me so incredibly much of a young Brett Favre. Young Favre made a lot of plays and threw a lot of INTs – but he was a gunslinger, had confidence and swagger and it was real swagger in that his team mates bought in. Like a young Favre, Winston is best outside of the pocket (top passing QB in football outside of the pocket if I remember the numbers right) and while he isn’t a true runner, he can move. They both have big arms, they’re not afraid of throwing the ball into tight holes, they’ll make “dangerous” plays that other QBs can’t make. Obviously Winston has a very long time go to live up to any longterm Favre comparisons, but I think he’s on the right track, that’s for certain. Obviously Winston will be his person so – but so far I like the direction. To those worried about INTs, how many INTs this year were either end of half hail marries or passes near or at the end of the game where the Bucs had to make a play so Winston was trying to make plays (with 9th string WRs mind you). Take away those, take away the INTs like the one against Chicago where the ball hist Cecil Shorts directly on the hands and he knocks it into the air for an INT – if you look at the INTs that came from Winston making a bad throw or a bad read, there isn’t that many of them. The INTs will come down as he gets better and the talent around him gets better – and remember only just turned 23 years old, his brain isn’t even done developing yet.
February 3rd, 2017 at 3:55 pm
Exactly Rod.
February 3rd, 2017 at 4:10 pm
why does the common fan fail to realize that because our offense throws the ball down field (second furthest air yards per attempt) accuracy is not going to be that high. Also, does common fan know that JW has the highest QBR in the NFL by a MILE when under pressure? pls ppl understand what you are watching. yes, he could and should get better with accuracy and some decision making. but the good far outweighs the bad. we went from winning two games without him, to six then nine. go bucs!
February 3rd, 2017 at 4:16 pm
Great post Rod.
February 3rd, 2017 at 4:20 pm
im sure ill get a brady reference, so against blitz and under pressure are two different things =)
February 3rd, 2017 at 4:23 pm
Dilfer is one of my favorite NFL analyst too. He always knows what he’s talking about.
February 3rd, 2017 at 4:26 pm
Logic and reason will get you nowhere on this site, sir!
February 3rd, 2017 at 4:48 pm
He does SOEbuc.
February 3rd, 2017 at 5:27 pm
If anyone wants to nitpick Winston’s game that’s fine but it’s weird to me.
Jameis Winston has better numbers than Andrew Luck (and pretty much all other QBs) did their first 2 years… with less weapons than Luck had (Wayne/Hilton/Fleener/Allen)… … like wtf more could you want?
Here’s stats and facts OAR. Not sure what your problem is but if you expect him to be better already than what he has shown then your standards for a 2nd year QB are absolutely insane. It’d be like getting mad next year if Noah Spence doesn’t get at least 23 sacks lol.
Winston:
657/1102 (60%) for 8132 yards at 7.21 YPA for 50 TD & 33 interceptions
Luck:
682/1197 (57%) for 8196 yards at 6.84 YPA for 46 TD & 27 interceptions
February 3rd, 2017 at 5:50 pm
Let’s hope Jameis has the kind of year Andrew Luck had in his 3rd year.
Great points about the down the field throws effecting the accuracy numbers. Even with that factored in Jameis HAS to protect the ball better. No excuses for the same mistakes every week
February 3rd, 2017 at 8:29 pm
For anyone who hasn’t seen it, I would suggest looking up the 1 on 1 video with Trent dilfer and jameis when jameis was in high school. Trent dilfer is on the money when telling him how good he can be and all the things he does well. It’s a great watch.
February 3rd, 2017 at 9:30 pm
Fameis Jameis is a straight up baller! There is no fear in him and he makes players around him better. There are about half a dozen turnovers in each season that aren’t his fault. People pick apart his game but we all know his #1 problem is accuracy not holding onto the ball too long. Some of his biggest plays have come from holding onto the ball if you guys remember the Chicago game. He refuses to give up on a play because he wants to win so badly so get used to it never gonna change. You guys who nit pick about his intetceptions what about his tds? Do you know how many Bucs qbs that we drafted ever had more than 20 tds in a season let alone two in a row? In two years he will probably own every qb record on the team so stop complaining and enjoy the ride fairweather fans!
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:09 pm
Hey guys the bottom line is Jameis needs to get better because he can and we should all be rooting for the same thing for Jameis to maximize his ability. But Tampa Tony saying he is reason we are losing is just ridiculous and like always you are blinded for your desire for us to have drafted that other QB.
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:41 pm
Jameis Winston performed better in every category this year without any threat of a running game. Their is a graph another bucs website that we can’t post links too for some reason, that details exactly what I’m talking about.
In my perspective, the 2 major things that Jameis needs in order to have a championship offense, are a deep stable of Weapons that get open down the field. And time throw. A running game would just be gravy.
February 3rd, 2017 at 11:56 pm
I also believe that Dirk Koetters scheme is predicated upon the intermediate/ deep passing game. That’s what a 4 verticals scheme is all about. Google it if you don’t believe me.
Koetters offense operates at peak efficiency when there are 3+ legitimate targets on the field for defenses to consider. Its most basic concept is the 4 verts all go.
https://twitter.com/CoachKGrabowski/status/725853616456630272/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
The concept of this play, is having 4 wideouts, or 3 and one tight end, that all run either a Go route, a fade, or a Seam route, with the 2 outside targets having the option for a comeback route.
The goal behind this concept, is to force the safeties into an impossible decision. And if you only have 1 legit target downfield, the decision becomes an easy no brainer. Not gonna front as if I have a deep intimate understanding of an entire 4 verts scheme, but i do know that much. And I know that the majority of concepts in it require the horses to run it.
That’s why WR/TE is a more pressing need IMO than running back.
February 4th, 2017 at 4:32 am
@ndog, you have no idea how wrong you are. I was on this very site banging the drum for Jameis once it was clear the Bucs were in contention for the #1 pick. Look at the close losses and how his Turnovers resulted in points for the other team it’s a fact Jameis turnovers killed any chance for the playoffs
February 4th, 2017 at 8:45 am
@Tampa Tony, You are just as wrong dude. Jameis made Chicken Salad out of Chicken S(p)it.
Sure, Jameis had some turnovers against the Rams, But I was at that game, and he’s not the reason the Rams scored 30+ points.
I suppose that Jameis was also responsible for the Defensive holding penalty on 4th & 10 against the Raiders. A game we had won, if not for that bone headed mistake.
Jameis by no means played perfectly, But he played damned good for a 22 year old, considering the pieces he had to work with, especially since the Defense didn’t start playing well until over halfway through the season.
P.s. Jameis made so many incredible plays this year, both from a clean pocket, and on incredible Houdini escape artist plays that he is becoming known for.
Not a doubt in my mind, he’s the best young Qb in the League, and I wouldn’t take anyone else.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:42 am
@Blake-The Rams scored 17 points off of Jameis turnovers and lost by 5… so while yes the defense didn’t play well the Bucs still had a chance to win if Jameis knew how to protect the ball better or was accurate in clutch situations as he missed a open Jackson for a TD on the final drive. Those are throws a franchise type qb makes
Coincidentally the Raiders game was only one of THREE turnover free games for Jameis and even though he was inaccurate and off that day they still had a chance.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:58 am
Ok, Yes we lost by 5. Aguao missed 5 points worth of kicks. And I maintain til this day, that If not for the weather Delay which was 15 minutes premature any way, Because it didn’t even start raining until that point.
The Rams defense was even quoted saying that the Delay gave them a 2nd wind.
If you recall, Jameis started the game some what shaky, but had the Offense humming towards the end of the game.
As for the Jackson “over throw”, there is an argument to be made, that If Vincent Jackson had been a receiver only a step faster, that ball would have been on the money. Jameis put that ball in a perfect spot to run under for a TD. Jackson just didnt have the Juice to take advantage of it, which is why #WeaponsForWinston is so huge this offseason.
The transition from year 2 to year 3 is historically where Quarterbacks show the most Growth. I have all the faith in the world that Jameis is gonna come out raring to go next year. And if we acquire the Horses that can generate big plays in Dirks offense, Jameis will lead this Franchise to historic Levels of Greatness.
February 4th, 2017 at 10:16 am
Just went back and watched the rams game. Jameis first turnover, A ball caught by Chuck Sims, that gets Knocked into the Air by a Ram defenders Helmet, and subsequently picked. Can’t really blame that on Jameis.
His next turnover, Robert Quinn ( A terrific DE I might add who really only made that one play the entire game ) Swiftly beats Donny Smith with a Speed rush, Swipes the ball out of Jameis’ hand as he’s throwing. Rams scored a touchdown on this play to boot. Not really on Jameis.
Also Jameis only had 2 turnovers so I’m not really sure how the Rams score 17 points off of them…
My point is that while Jameis is not Perfect by any means, More often than not this year, The kid has us in position to win. And he Won more games than we lost this season. And he’s only gonna get better and better.
From 6-10, to 9-7, to Superbowl?
Actually, that strip sack was on James for dropping way, way too far back off the line of scrimmage, and he held it too long.–Joe
February 4th, 2017 at 10:16 am
Rams Game *Highlights* need to clarify that part.
February 4th, 2017 at 10:55 am
I apologize 14 points off 2 turnovers and the throw to Sims was Jameis fault as he had time yet hung his receiver out to dry with a throw he had no chance on. Both turnovers resulted in TD’s for the Rams.
The excuses for the inaccurate throws is getting long. Good QB’s adjust to their receivers and know them. They don’t need 3-4 pro bowlers to make their bad throws into routine catches.
Year 3 will tell us a lot about Jameis
February 4th, 2017 at 11:36 am
@Joe I’ll give you that he may have gone too far back in his drop, but by my count the time elapsed between Snap to strip, was only about 3.5-4 seconds. And he had just Started his release when Quinn made contact.