Kirwan: Bucs Need A RB
January 9th, 2017
Says Bucs need a rushing attack.
Bucs fans can see just like anyone else can see: The Bucs need a wide receiver terribly to help America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, and take heat off All-Pro wide receiver Mike Evans.
Pat Kirwan disagrees.
While the co-host of “Movin’ the Chains,” heard exclusively on SiriusXM NFL Radio, knows Evans and Jameis need help in the passing game, without a running attack, Kirwan said, it won’t matter. That’s what the head honcho of the Real Football Network, and a former Jets coach and personnel executive, said in a recent Facebook Live chat.
“Running games come before quality No. 2 receivers,” Kirwan said. “And, look, I’m not eliminating one. You need to get a second receiver. But if you can’t convince your opponent that you are running the ball, then they are doubling your wide receiver. So the running game counts.
“The way Doug Martin’s career has gone it is a shame. But I would say get a big time running back and then because of the quality of your quarterback and the nature of a true No. 1 receiver in Mike (Evans) on the other side, you can get away with a third- or fourth-round receiver that has got talent. Look at what Tyler Boyd has done for the Bengals.”
Believe it or not, but Boyd’s numbers weren’t a whole lot different than Adam Humphries’.
Kirwan’s point makes sense the more Joe thinks about it. Part of the reason the passing game went downhill in the final months of the season was defenses did not respect Martin in any way. So defenses were determined to take out Evans and, as a result, the offense got locked up.
Grab a “big time” back, as Kirwan said, and teams will have to put more guys in the box to stop the run, which should loosen things up in the secondary for Evans and Brate, and yes, Humphries and a new receiver.
Joe wonders who Kirwan is referring to as a “big time” back, Leonard Fournette or Dalvin Cook?
January 9th, 2017 at 8:17 am
This could be true as well, I believe McCown threw to two 1000 yard receivers in our 2-14 season, with a joke of a OC (not his fault), I don’t even remember who was our running back because DM was injured.
But I say this, if Corey Davis is available, which I doubt he will, that’s the guy you draft and get a RB in the later rounds, if we got some real scouts, they are out there, see Bears running back selected in the 5th round
January 9th, 2017 at 8:18 am
Unless we are willing to focus the draft on Cook and trade several picks to move up at this point in the draft process, we need to look at round 2 and 3 for a selection. I agree with Kiran that a strong running game trumps or is equal to a #2 receiver.There is no argument that Zeke has propelled Dallas to a great season, but I am not sure there is a Zeke Elliot in the 2017 draft. And remember An OL makes RB”s Especially Rookie RB’s to superstars.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:24 am
Sign a WR in Free Agency then find a way to get Dalvin Cook in Tampa…
January 9th, 2017 at 8:34 am
Draft has some interesting backs especially underclassmen. My first choice would be Cook but not at the expense of entire draft. Vet WR who is reliable and a wr draft pick to develop are a must also.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:37 am
No comment.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:38 am
Don’t pick Leonard Fournette. He’s to brittle as it seems he is always either dinged up or missing time due to injury. In addition he is a proven quitter.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:41 am
Cook is completely out of the question without trading into the top ten. And the Bucs aren’t stupid enough to give up two very high picks for the right to take a damn running back. Cook is no Adrian Peterson, and you can take that to the bank. End of story.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:43 am
I lied. G morning St.Pete. I don’t claim to know it all not by long a shot. But the team that wins this years Superbowl won’t be doing so wit some chump @$$ later round RB you can bet dat.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:44 am
Check out Marlon Mack from USF, kid can ball. Plus, he can be had in the middle rounds.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:45 am
You’re right Marshall Faulk is more of the comparison that comes to my mind.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:47 am
McCaffrey will be the only RB with a first round grade that the Bucs could hope to see still on the board at 19 overall. Cook and Fournette will be long gone by that point. Mixon has a second round grade. Get over it and stop living in a fantasy world.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:47 am
Take joe mixon in the 4th or 5th round.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:50 am
Joe Money had Craig,Elway had Davis,Big Ben the Bus and now Bell,Wilson Beast Mode,Brady a slew of runners that has comcluded with Blount,Bradshaw Harris, Young Rickey Waters,Rivers best years LT,Warner Faulk. I could go on and on. Check and see where some of those people were drafted. Kelly Thurman Thomas,Aikman Smith. They are of more importance than some of you seem to believe.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:52 am
And why exactly did the Falcons move 11 spots for Julio. Don’t recall alot fantasy being involved in they’re decision homeboy.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:52 am
Anyway I actually like McCaffrey and wouldn’t be disappointed at all if he somehow ended up in Tampa. He’s a home run threat every time he touches the ball. He’s not a bruiser but he held up well for Stanford as a feature back.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:54 am
For the millionth time Chris Johnson went 24th in the 1st Marshall Faulk went 28th in the 1st. So how is it or what is it some of you posses that can determine where a player will come off the board come draft night???
January 9th, 2017 at 8:55 am
Can’t give up your first three picks in the draft just to get a RB in the top ten. The Bucs are far more than a single player from a Super Bowl berth. Remember when Ditka gave up everything for the top RB in the draft? Crippled his team for years with that move.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:58 am
Marshall Faulk is a HOFr don’t recall the colts giving up anything to aquire him.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:03 am
Legarette Blount. Leads the Nfl in rushing touchdowns with 18. Undrafted Free Agent.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:05 am
Demarco Murray, 2 years removed from being the NFL’s Leading rusher. Runner up this year.
3rd Round Draft Pick.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:07 am
Le’veon Bell. Absolute beast of a player, one of the best backs in the League.
2nd Round Draft Pick.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:09 am
The reason our offense sucked was because we had no running game. Yeah it would be great to have 2 number 1 WRs but without a running game it would not matter.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:10 am
Lamar Miller. Solid starting running back for the wild card weekend winning Texans.
4th Round Draft Pick.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:11 am
I would look into drafting a running-back, center and a #2 WR.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:12 am
Devonta Freeman. Recognize the name Noles fans? Dude averages close to 5 ypc. on our division rivals no less.
4th round Draft Pick.
I could keep going all day long.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:14 am
The point I’m making here is the we can draft a Running back with the capabilities to start games and produce, well outside of the first round.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:14 am
Bucs need a RB?
Bucs need an oline that doesn’t get smashed off the ball on run downs. Those that choose to dismiss or gloss over the putrid run blocking of this 2016 oline are engaging in naked willful ignorance and are incidentally members of the blindly faithful JasonLichtMob.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:16 am
The reason why fans want to draft a RB high in the first is because deep down no one trusts Licht to find capable RB talent in later rounds. See Charles TwinkleToes Sims
January 9th, 2017 at 9:19 am
I trust Licht to find talented players. Just Last year Charles Sims had 1000 yards from scrimmage and few touchdowns in a back up role did he not? Don’t recall anyone complaining about him then.
Not to mention that sims was drafted to be a backup/3rd down receiving back.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:20 am
Blake for everyone you note that came out after the first I could name a gang of RBs that did. Why bother Scott Reynolds did a excellent on report on the subject I’m willing to bet you didn’t read after my daring you to do so. You clearly couldn’t handle that truth. Corey Davis fanboy.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:21 am
I dont read anything written by that chowderhead.
If I wanted to read a scott smith article, I’d just go to wikipedia.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:23 am
All you Nole fans that want Cook that is just fine and dandy………..AS LONG AS HE IS STILL ON THE BOARD AT 19.
We have FAR too many needs to be trading Up for ANYone.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:24 am
Get Murray from the Raiders.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:24 am
And Nole have I not stated Numerous Players and Options I’d be happy with in the First Round.
Also Nole I’d wager that for every 1st round Running back that was successful, I could name you one that was a bust. Such is the nature of the draft.
But the evidence is clear, that there is talent to be had at the Running back position in the later rounds. Especially in a deep running back year. Where a Player like Joe Mixon has the chance to go Undrafted.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:25 am
*Scott Reynolds* w/e Thats how much I care about the dude.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:27 am
And I PRAAAAY we don’t draft Mixon. I HATE women beaters. Can’t root for them. I’d rather shoot ’em
January 9th, 2017 at 9:28 am
Same dude, Just making my point that there are a lot of talented Running backs in this draft. The majority of which will fall well outside the First.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:29 am
don’t forget we also need some help on the D-line, maybe go there in the 1st round, then go either RB or WR in 2nd and 3rd round…
January 9th, 2017 at 9:29 am
Well I don’t know him personally to be aware of him being a coward. All I know is he wrote facts pertaining to a slew of RBs that have been drafted in the first. A round that many here seem to believe an RB shouldn’t be taken. SB what up Big bro. Help me understand exactly position is of greater need for is than RB right now???
January 9th, 2017 at 9:33 am
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a stupid person.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:35 am
St.Pete wrote a post about everyone taken after first 10 picks. If you can get one you take what appears to be as close to a sure thing as possible. This we can just find something in a later round is trivial to Me especially considering our current RB situation.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:36 am
‘Morning bro. Good to c ya.
“Help me understand exactly position is of greater need for is than RB right now???”
OL, DL, WR OL
January 9th, 2017 at 9:36 am
I am on the other side of the fence. I DO NOT think they need a RB.
Until they announce that Doug Martin is released, we have a RB…and a prtty darn good depth too.
But I do agree that WR is a secondary priority.
First comes the two lines.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:37 am
And like I said. I am fine with Cook. As long as we don’t have to trade picks to get him.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:37 am
You sound stupid. I stated I don’t him personally to know if he’s in fact what you say a coward. Nothing about not knowing the defintion bright guy.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:38 am
If they take a RB in the first… they better shore up that o-line.
Sall I’m sayin’.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:40 am
Never said we don’t need to address the RB position.
Merely stated that I am of the opinion that its not worth trading up for one in the first. When I’m POSITIVE that one can be found in the later rounds.
There are a lot of solid RB prospects this year. However, There aren’t a lot of Wide Receivers with Corey Davis’ combination of Size, speed, hands, precise route running, and open field play-making ability. There also aren’t a lot of Tight ends that are 6’6 255 with the Catching and Seem busting ability of a Jimmy Graham, while also being a freaking Dog who will block all day long, Like OJ Howard.
The Mindset I have when it comes to 1st picks is this, Unless you desperately need a QB, you take the BPA that also fits a need. RB is a need, no doubt about it, But Fournette and Cook will not be available.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:40 am
they need a complementary threat, i’d prefer WR because they also need speed but we saw in 2015 what dangerous\productive RBs do for the playaction game that Dirk thrives on. Brate and Humphries are great posession guys and chain movers, but they do not meet the NFL definition of “offensive threat” IMO
January 9th, 2017 at 9:40 am
SB we are not taking a defensive player with our first pick that’s out bro. O line inn my opinion is debatable. Benenoch is develoing,Gat shikk will return and who knows Sweezy may be healthy. I agree with the article RB is of more importance than a #2 WR as of now.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:41 am
I never called him a coward. I called him a ChowderHead. Which I assumed you were confused about, so I gave you the definition.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:42 am
@Nole
You are allowing your college bias to interfere with the reality of the teams situation. RB is not a priority until some sort of move is made with the current roster. That may change before the draft, but for now it has not.
Offensive Line and defensive line are the top priorities. Fix the offensive line, and most RBs would be good enough, just like they were for the Broncos for years. You may wish to debate that, but you cannot effectively deny it. Not realistically.
And not unless the team situation changes.
Getting your guy is important to you, but it is not going to happen in all likelihood.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:43 am
I’m with Blake. I’m not down for trading up in the first. Not from 19 to like 10 which is where Cook might land.
Now if he falls to around 15. Maybe.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:45 am
Okay Blake so your are not against Cook because he played for FSU you mainly are of the mindset”why waste your time thinking about a guy that won’t be there when we pick”??? Right or wrong???
January 9th, 2017 at 9:45 am
I’m also not with Bonzai.
I think Martin is toast.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:47 am
Bonzai Big bro you are wrong. We averaged 2.9 yards a carry this year as you already know. He is one of the most dynamic players entering the draft at a position we currently lack at. This is not bias, to me its common sense.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:48 am
I’m not against Cook because he played for the Noles. I like the Seminoles.
But I’m not head over heels impressed with the Film I’ve seen on cook for one, Everyone else seems to be but I saw some god awful tackling while watching Dalvin Cook highlights. And I don’t like his size.
I could be 100 percent wrong about him, but yes mainly I don’t think he’ll be there when we pick.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:48 am
The top 10 rushing leaders in the nfl all but one (elliot) was selected in the second round or later. Murray led the league in rushing as a 3rd round back running behind dallas offensive line. Its obvious you draft receiver, tackle, or defensive player before you draft running back with that 1st round pick.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:50 am
I bet you all teams that are allegedly thinking of RBs are not saying we need and o linemen. If a talent is there you go him and build around him. The Colts p line sucks, if they really are thinking RB do you really believe Irsay is going to pass on them for a linemen??? Really.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:51 am
Okay I can respect that Blake. I also can respect you prefer bigger backs.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:53 am
Webster 2.9 yards a carry.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:54 am
“And I don’t like his size.”
There ya go Blake…we’re pretty much on the same page.
Sorry Nole. Ya know I love FSU, but there’s something about his size and frame that scares me too. I know the Druggernaught is small too, but he’s ripped.
I don’t know man.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:55 am
Blake- what did TwinkleToes do when given the opportunity to start this year after DM got injured? Please remind me how he looked as the guy? Having a tough time remembering what Jason Licht’s 3rd round RB looked like when given the opportunity to be featured?
January 9th, 2017 at 9:55 am
I get what you’re trying to say Nole, But you used a bad Example. The Colts not taking O-line man these past few years is why they wen’t from being 11-5 for three years in a row, to being near the bottom of their division.
Andrew Luck has no time to throw, and catches a beating in every game he plays in, because his O-line is Trash.
A good O-line, opens up holes for a RB, and they Keep your Franchise safe by keeping bad Hombres away from your signal caller.
If I thought there was an O-lineman worth taking with our 1st rounder, I would be lobbying for them day in a day out.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:56 am
You don’t like Shaddy McCoy,LT,Marshall Faulk,Chris Johnson,Emmit Smith,Walter Payton so on so on and so on..
January 9th, 2017 at 9:58 am
Nole…that’s essentially what I was saying earlier about the o-line. Cept I left out they better address it in FA. You’re not worried about the line and I am. Cowboys game exposed a lot for me. All the time Dak had to throw and all the gaping holes Elliot had to run through. That’s what I took from that game.
January 9th, 2017 at 9:59 am
@DB yeah Chuck showed everyone that he’s not a starting Caliber Back. Still think he can be a good roleplayer once we get a number 1 back.
Also everyone forgets about that Incredible TD Catch and Run Sims had against ATL in week 1 before he got injured.
He pissed me off as much as the next guy for not just sticking his damn foot in the ground and hitting a hole, but I don’t think he’s a terrible overall player.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:00 am
If they want to trade up in the first to get Dalvin. They better address the o-line in FA. If they do that. Then I’m cherry.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:00 am
I get that Blake but are we to just take an o linemen just cause people feel it would be best and not take an RB that is rated higher who cares the name if available??? You can’t do that.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:01 am
He alright in the open field but between the tackles he sucks. Guy be tipping Everytime.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:03 am
Buc1987 Says:
January 9th, 2017 at 10:00 am
If they want to trade up in the first to get Dalvin. They better address the o-line in FA. If they do that. Then I’m cherry.
Amen
January 9th, 2017 at 10:04 am
I don’t think there are any worth taking in the 1st round this year. Thats why I haven’t been talking about any.
And It all comes down to how badly you need lineman. If your QB cant throw the ball down field cause he gets hit on every play, but you also need a RB, you probably take the Lineman. Because the Quarterback is the most Important Position in football.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:07 am
In fact if you want to get really crazy. I say go hog wild then. Load up on ALL the decent o-line in FA, some for depth, some to replace. Be able to rotate talent along the line consistently. Build a rotating wall.
Then draft Dalvin and watch out.
Does that sound crazy? I mean I’m forgetting every other position of need and putting the primary focus on the o-line and Dalvin.
Cause I’m with Kirwan. Want to see an even better Evans, Brate, and Hump? Build a wall and draft Dalvin.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:10 am
@87 There’s one O-line Man in FA thats worth going after IMO. And that G Ronald Leary. And the Only way it makes sense to go and get another guard, would be moving Ali to Center, or moving Pamphile to Right Tackle.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:12 am
Don’t we have a big rookie RB already? Payton Barber? What’s the skinny on him? We need OL and a WR who will compliment ME13. V-Jax mentored/player coached ME13, and I hope the same thing happens again.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:13 am
And Ethan Pocic C is the only O-line Draft prospect I’ve been mildly impressed with, and that would only be as a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:14 am
Oline is overrated and the few clear-eyed Bucs fans can see it. Oline is not sexy but offense can’t be successful without it. Overall talent level across the line in 2016 is mediocre and they played up to mediocre at best and far below most of the season. Rushing game was horrid and Winston’s magic on his feet salvaged the pass pro stats. Fix the oline and this can be a playoff offense.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:15 am
Blake…you’re telling me there’s no other o-linemen in FA that’s better than what we’ve got. I’m talking seriously dude. You mean they all suck worse than ours?
That’s where were at. We’re stuck with what we got?
I’ll tell everyone right now. I’m a big Marpet fan, after that you can keep all the rest.
Find some o-line.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:18 am
@Bonzai … “Offensive Line and defensive line are the top priorities.” Agree with ya Bonzai, but think folks need to broaden their thinking about how to accomplish that. Rookie OLinemen usually take a year (or more) to break into the starting lineup, unless they’re a high-round draft pick. Bucs need to fill 2 positions on the OLine I think next year … Center & Tackle … and I much prefer that we fill them with top FAs (we’ve got the $$$ to do that) or via trades. Agree with Pat Kirwan that the Bucs need a bruiser RB, but a number of those should be available in rounds 2-4 of the draft (personally don’t think Doug Martin will be on the Bucs roster next year, but Jaquizz Rodgers and Antone Smith will … both are serviceable RBs, but neither strikes me as being the cow bell RB who can survive the whole season).
Personally wouldn’t be surprised if the Bucs had as many as 5 new starters (C, T, TE, RB, WR) on offense and 3 new starters (S, DE/DT, Nickel CB) on defense next year. We’d be really fortunate to fill 3 of those in the draft.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:18 am
Okay well Pamphile is a maybe.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:19 am
@DallasBuc I agree with you man. In a perfect world I would go out and try to get the pieces to put together a dominant O-line. Because its a unit that can have a positive effect on your entire team. But their aren’t many Pieces available to build that O-line. Thats why I think we gotta get the best players we can get at other positions.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:20 am
@87 http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/offensive-line/
Look at the guys available and you tell me.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:21 am
The only guys on that list I’d sign are Leary and Byron Bell.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:26 am
Blake…what about that Cherilus guy he might be decent..
Oh wait. 🙂
January 9th, 2017 at 10:29 am
Exactly dude xD and the Top FA C available is Joe Hawley. I’d Love to transform our Line into a Dominant unit. Just don’t see us being able to do it this year.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:34 am
@ nole,
Shaddy mccoy is a second round pick, just like levon bell. Elliot is the only top 10 running back in the nfl selected in the first round and he plays behind the best line. You know how a 3rd running back ran for 1900 yards behind that same line.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:37 am
If oline is a priority and your GM is worth a sht then it can be fixed if not dominant.
Always comes back to the GM who would rather waste valuable talent acquiring resources on high risk boutique positional needs to show everyone what a wizard he is and we end up with gaping holes in our roster because of it. Holes that he is fine with because he cannot admit his mistakes no matter what he says publicly.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:38 am
Dayum Blake now I’m a lil depressed. lol
Webster…you’ve got a point.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:39 am
3rd round running back ala murray
January 9th, 2017 at 10:45 am
Look at last year 1st round running backs. Neither Gordon or Gurley topped 1000 yards. Bucs please be smart about this.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:52 am
@DallasBuc
I guess the difference between me and you is that I admire Jason Licht as a Gm. And Have all the faith in the world that he will make all the moves necessary to improve every aspect of this roster. Much in the same way that he’s built a team from 2-14 to 9-7.
I also disagree with your premise that he is unwilling to admit his mistakes. If that were the case, Michael Johnson, Anthony Collins, Henry Melton, Bruce Carter, ASJ, Kenny Bell, Kaelin Clay, Robert Herron, and Kadeem Edwards would still be on the team regardless of how stupid/bad they were.
No Gm Bats .1000
Hindsight is always 20 20.
And Jason Licht has made many more good signings and Picks than he has made Knuckle-headed ones.
I don’t say this to change your mind. Because I doubt it will.
January 9th, 2017 at 10:55 am
The best way to help the running game is to help the passing game. Davis, Ross, Howard, Ramcyzk. All these guys can help our passing game.
January 9th, 2017 at 11:02 am
Blake- All those names you mentioned were when Lovie Smith was here wrecking shop and Licht has been getting a huge pass by just about everyone around here for all those eff ups and more. Can’t have it both ways. For the record, those names were all in part responsible for us barely winning two games en route to #1 overall pick. Ugh
All I want is for people to stop sugar-coating this man’s record which is not good.
January 9th, 2017 at 11:07 am
Webster I could give you ahand full of RBs in the Hall that went in the first round.
January 9th, 2017 at 11:08 am
Again 2015 we lead the league in rushing same cast of characters. 2016 2.9 yards. Has to be more than just o line when it comes to a fall off that drastic.
January 9th, 2017 at 11:10 am
@DallasBuc
Its basically been all but confirmed that while Lovie was here, He was in control of the final say for who got onto the 53 man roster, and that Licht was given almost free reign presiding over the Draft.
And I say to you, anytime A GM can Draft 4 starters, in 4 rounds, in 1 draft. That’s a damned good Gm.
Jason Licht is by no means perfect, but he can evaluate talent. And we’re 10x better off with him at the helm than we were with the PopStar Gm Mark Dominick.
January 9th, 2017 at 11:15 am
So which is it, he admitting his mistakes or was he just admitting Uncle Lovie’s mistakes? That’s big of him!
So what was Licht doing those first two years in the offseason since he apparently was General Managing? Stop with the excuses and double standards
January 9th, 2017 at 11:16 am
…apparently was NOT General Managing…
January 9th, 2017 at 11:18 am
I listed multiple Draft Picks of his that are no longer on the roster because he couldnt get it done. My main point is that he is willing to move on from a player that isnt doing their job up to his standards. And I assume that he was doing his Job, being in charge of the scouts. Scouting Future prospects and current Nfl Players.
January 9th, 2017 at 11:19 am
You find me a Gm that is right 100 percent of the time. And I’ll squat down and lay an egg.
January 9th, 2017 at 11:20 am
@nole….if cook is there at #19 take him…..he reminds me of Jamaal Charles….but teams that have multiple 1st round picks on the oline are dominating the playoffs….cowboys, packers, chiefs, pats, falcons, seattle…..besides the cowboys, no one has a first round rb….the packers have no rb….their using a wr at rb….
the offseason priority should be oline dline…..protect jameis, run the ball, stop the run, get after the qb….next should be finding jameis weapons with speed on the outside and slot position and providing/creating depth…..GO BUCS!!!!
January 9th, 2017 at 11:20 am
SB with Jameis Says:
January 9th, 2017 at 9:27 am
And I PRAAAAY we don’t draft Mixon. I HATE women beaters. Can’t root for them. I’d rather shoot ’em
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What if she falsely accused you of violating her and cost you millions in endorsements?
January 9th, 2017 at 11:22 am
@DB55 completely different situation. Because allegations are allegations. But Video evidence of you laying out a female with a mean right cross, is indisputable.
January 9th, 2017 at 11:24 am
Blake
Yea I know I’m just being a jerk as usual.
January 9th, 2017 at 11:24 am
We Want Coooooook!!!
January 9th, 2017 at 11:25 am
DB55 Says:
December 31st, 2016 at 3:16 pm
Cincinnati picks #8. Send the greatest DT to ever lace up to them for their scrub 3tech, Tyler Boyd and their #8 pick. Throw in 10mil if necessary. That solves all our problems. Then we can draft Cook and then Dline and Oline the rest of the draft.
Welp so much for speedy Ross who just got caught from behind. Not even sure where some of youz learned football. Have we not learned to leave those huskies alone?
January 9th, 2017 at 11:28 am
Blake- not complaining because he isn’t 100% right, just asking fans not to dismiss the multitude of absolute failures and overrate the impact of a few good choices. Try to remember that his job is to acquire quality talent so when it actually occurs let’s not overly praise someone for doing their job!
January 9th, 2017 at 11:35 am
Dallas Buc spot on the bucs need OL, period, and then hopefully licht doesnt rebound to jason gump…go get joe mixon in round 3-4, shore up the OL through FA as well, hopefully this will be licht’s 4th chance to get it right with the OL that he has screwed up since day 1….go get a WR in round 2, and address the back end through FA, like licht should have last year when there were safeties that were of the NFL caliber to help the bucs out ie reggie nelson
January 9th, 2017 at 11:37 am
@DallasBuc I understand that sentiment, but after years and years of watching Mark Dominant struggle and fail miserably to even acquire 1-2 good players in a draft, It’s hard for me not to fall in love with a GM who seemingly picks 2-3 Ballers in every Draft.
January 9th, 2017 at 11:48 am
Also haven’t even mentioned how successful Licht has been with his Undrafted Free Agents and Mid Season Acquistions. That’s another reason why I have so much faith in him. Because he can pluck guys off the street that come in and produce. Again he’s not Right all the time with these signings, But when you’re #2 and #3 most productive receiving options are Both UDFA’s, Thats damn impressive to me.
January 9th, 2017 at 11:49 am
813 that’s a good comparison and its not stretching it to make that comparison. I agree if he’s there I would flabbergasted to see Licht pass on him. We’ll see at that time.
January 9th, 2017 at 11:58 am
@NosBos I too have made that comparison. But not in the way you would like. Is it 3 years in a row now that Charles has gone down with a season ending injury? or 4?
January 9th, 2017 at 11:59 am
@ blake
There are actually a few lineman that I like in FA
Ronald Leary
Kevin Zeitler G Bengals
Larry Wardford
Riley Reief T Lions
? Hubbard (back up RT Steelers )
January 9th, 2017 at 12:19 pm
I’ve mentioned Leary and Lang. But they both play guard. I can’t really speak on Riley Reif or the rest tho dude.
January 9th, 2017 at 12:23 pm
I’ve been saying it since forever,”Passing league my a$$!!!”
If you don’t have a legit threat at RB, forget it.
January 9th, 2017 at 12:30 pm
Am I wrong or did the Packers just Blow out the Giants last night with a WR playing RB?
January 9th, 2017 at 12:42 pm
FLUCK the FUDGE PACKERS
January 9th, 2017 at 12:50 pm
@Mike the GOAT Lol don’t get me wrong dude. I’m not a packers fan. Just making a point that Production at the RB position can be found all over.
January 9th, 2017 at 12:56 pm
Get mixon simple
January 9th, 2017 at 1:05 pm
@Ray Is that the Infamous Ray Rice? Back to troll the comment section of Joebucsfan?
January 9th, 2017 at 1:18 pm
A 2nd round investment should be enough to grab a guy who can keep the ground game going. Fournette and Cook will be gone before we pick in round 1 and trading up makes no sense. We still have other needs to fill.
January 9th, 2017 at 1:22 pm
The best late 1st early 2nd option @ rb is D Onte Forman. Now I’m NOT ok taking him @ 19, there is only 2 1st round rbs. Cook and fournette. If we take a wr @ 20 and then trade up in the 2nd I’d be ok with that. If there is no1 of value @ 19 then I’m ok with trading back and picking up some ammo. Licht needs some extra 4th and 5th rounders so he can wheel and deal up and down the draft board
January 9th, 2017 at 1:46 pm
believe it or not, 80% of Hump’s “production” comes from that one screen route play they run all the time
January 9th, 2017 at 2:16 pm
The ends justify the means do they not?
January 9th, 2017 at 2:53 pm
Chubb in the 2nd.
January 9th, 2017 at 3:16 pm
Thing is Blake Dalvin not injury prone so what exactly are you saying??? And yea they did win that in the back field you just happen to leave out the part about the best QB in the league under center. And fanman you’re right, nothing without RB. Show me the list of QBs that won superbowls with pout them.
January 9th, 2017 at 3:23 pm
@ nole
You are talking about hall of fame. I ask you to name me one stud running back in the last 10 -12 years who have won a super bowl. Beast mode is all i can think of. The others were just competent. In this day and age, you need competent running backs and not HOFs. It would be nice to have a HOF at every position, but not possible. The position that it is least important in “today’s” nfl is running back.
January 9th, 2017 at 3:24 pm
Thats because you can find a competent one all over the draft outside the first round.
January 9th, 2017 at 3:34 pm
Got bucs
Chubb went back to school
January 9th, 2017 at 3:42 pm
Who were Eli manning and Tom Brady’s running backs when they won their superbowls? I can’t think of them. Hell, the Bucs won a superbowl with Mike Pittman as a starting Running Back. The Ravens won a superbowl with no Quarterback and No superstar running back. It’s not that uncommon.
And what I was saying about Dalvin Cook/Jamal Charles is that they have Eerily similar frames. And Jamal Charles body doesn’t hold up to the NFL beating that running backs endure.
January 9th, 2017 at 3:53 pm
Jags just hired doug marone
January 9th, 2017 at 4:48 pm
@ blake
Who was arron rodgers running back or brees? Please dont say reggie bush. He was a #2 overall 3rd down back. Yea that was great value. Undrafted fast willie parker was the rb for pittsburgh in 2008 when he had a whopping 800 yrds rushing. The second best running back to beast mode during this time was probably joseph addai who was a 1st round pick, but he barely broke 1000 yards the year they won the super bowl and it was all down hill from there for him. Rbs can be had all over the place. You cant predict HOFs prior to the draft. HOFs show themselves as their career goes on.
January 9th, 2017 at 4:56 pm
@Webster, you’re preaching to the choir dude. I’ve been on the running back in the 2nd round or later tip all week.
January 10th, 2017 at 4:13 am
RB is available outside of the first Rd. Good research Blake. Short lifespan being hit down after down let alone the knee wear and tear, NFL is now a passing league. The play action offense definitely needs a good RB threat. Ja-cuzzi Rodgers looked real good, and I still think Martin may have a 30% chance. Let’s grab a RB in the middle rounds and go WR 1st RD BLUE CHIP