Zebras Explain (Non) Out-Of-Bounds Call

November 27th, 2016
Referee Ed Hochuli signals a pass interference penalty during a preseason NFL football game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Philadelphia Eagles, Thursday, August 21, 2014 in Philadelphia. The Eagles won the game 31-21. (AP Photo/Paul Jasienski)

Last play of first half broken down.

Joe sure as hell thought the Bucs got jobbed at the end of the first half.

The Bucs, without timeouts, looked to be setting up for a field goal when Americas’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, connected with Cameron Brate along the right sideline. He was drilled out of bounds by Neiko Thorpe.

But no! The zebras never killed the clock. Instead of kicking a field goal, time ran out. Not even the referee high above in the booth called for a review. A challenge flag cannot be thrown by a coach within two minutes of a half; it must come from a replay official.

Bucs coach Dirk Koetter went wild, and hounded the referees all the way into the tunnel at halftime.

After the game, referee Bill Vinovich explained why Brate getting knocked out of bounds was not an out of bounds play.

“If your forward progress is stopped in the field of play and [the ballcarrier] is driven backwards out of bounds, the clock will continue to run.”

Vinovich added that not only is the play not reviewable he couldn’t figure out why the Bucs were arguing the call.

That’s a BS explanation if you ask Joe. At the time of the call, Joe thought that would cost the Bucs dearly. Thankfully, it did not.

38 Responses to “Zebras Explain (Non) Out-Of-Bounds Call”

  1. cmurda Says:

    Forward progress was never stopped. If a guy hits a guy as he is going out of bounds obviously he will go backwards. The fact of the matter is that the holding in the endzone for a safety was BS, this out of bounds call was BS, and the illegal hands to the face (second one of the game I might add) was also BS>

  2. Jack Burton Mercer Says:

    That injects too much judgement into the call. Either you are out or not. Bad rule.

  3. SB with Jameis Says:

    Anyone that has a DVR doesn’t want to hear this. Non-calls shape games more than ‘calls’ do

  4. wesley Says:

    They screw this up all the time, back in the day when a guy went out of bounds the clock stopped.

  5. THETRUTH Says:

    They should get fined for the hands in face call.

  6. Waterboy Says:

    That was BS along with several other calls today. The zebras kept Seattle in this one. I also wanted to see the Dotson hands to the face call that took the TD off the board but the TV cameras missed it.

  7. R.O. Says:

    Not sure the confusion… all you have to do is know the rules. This rule came in to play during the Dallas Washington game I believe. You should try watching other games..

  8. Waterboy Says:

    Even the holding call that gave Seattle a safety was one that I didn’t think needed to be called and they had a 1st down on that play.

  9. The Buc Realist Says:

    I too would love to see the “evidence” of the hands to the face call By Dot!!!

    That was a touchdown and iced the game!!!!!!!!!!

  10. Kevin Says:

    Bad call

  11. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    One of several bad calls. Unlike Buccaneer teams of the recent past, it didn’t matter. We just kept playing football, beating both the Seahawks and their biggest fans in zebra stripes.

  12. DallasBuc Says:

    BS through and through. But make no mistake, if it came down to a field goal it would be on the miss of our lousy AguaOh,no 2nd round disaster that can’t keep his head above water out of the kiddie pool.
    Totally affects how the game is called when you can’t count on your keeker to boot anything out of extra point range.
    Cue the excuses

  13. Buccfan37 Says:

    Outstanding effort by the Bucs overall. They made the Seahawks look overrated.

  14. Chucklehead Says:


    Had a nightmare that we were down 2 in the 4th with 2 seconds left on the clock and all we gotta do is hit a 34 yarder and we are in the playoffs. I keep waking up as Aguayno hits toe to leather. Dude makes me nervous.

  15. FoamBucFan Says:

    Man, oh, man there were some nasty calls today… The score doesn’t tell just how much we dominated Seattle today. What. A. Game!!!

  16. TampaBay AllDay Says:

    It’s all good it saved Roberto from missing the the field goal…Go Bucs!!!

  17. Dislocatedbucsfan Says:

    Even if that call was valid the official took a day and a half moving like pond water to set the freaking ball! We could have had it spiked with 1 or 2 on the clock.

  18. Patrickbucs Says:

    If we had confidence in our fg kicker over 40 yards it would of never been a play call..

  19. Stu Laake Says:

    Correct call…move on. SMH

    Celebrate the win!

  20. Trubucfan22 Says:

    Berate lost forward progress while in bounds. Therefore the play ends at the point he stopped forward progress. Him getting knocked out of bounds AFTER forward progress had stopped is irrelevant. It was the right call.

    The holding in the end zone by stocker was also rightfully called. Stocker on his way down pulled down the pass rusher by his chest plate. It was impossible to see from the angles they showed initially but the reverse angle showed it obviously happening.

    The illegal hands to the face by Dotson that took the 3rd TD off the board, looked like a phantom call. There was no video replay showed that had his hands anywhere near a face mask. Maybe they called it on the wrong number, but it didn’t look like Dotson was the culprit.

  21. JackJack Says:

    The way to start getting calls is to win and not to whine. This should have been an easy win today, but the refs, JW’s dumb throw and a really bad fumble made it too exciting.

    But, if you can win against Seattle with your B- offensive game, that’s pretty dang good.

  22. DallasBuc Says:

    TruFraudfan22- you are not the authority and are a hot air expert.

  23. Espo Says:

    Translation: we will find any way we can to screw the Bucs. Just like phantom PI call and phantom hands to the face. Just like they tried their best to do on that fumble recovery but couldn’t.

    That’s encouraging. In the past, we couldn’t beat our opponents and the refs. Now we can.

  24. Pit Says:

    I can’t beilive we have morons here that go against the team even if they are right but damage our team it means they are wrong.
    Where the F*ck do you guys come from????? Is it smthng not working in ur bRain????

  25. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    In TruBucfan’s defense, there were many people that are in the know that said the exact same thing as him. It seems like a bad call, but maybe it was the right call. You know what though – I don’t give a damn! Drive home safely Hawk fans!!!

  26. DallasBuc Says:

    …people in the know

  27. DallasBuc Says:

    I’m guessing Hawaiian is also in the know now too

  28. DallasBuc Says:

    I mean what the sht was our idiot HC carrying on about through halftime and into the third quarter if he had only listened to the horsesht from the people in the know. That’s right isn’t it Hawaiian?

  29. Buc2015 Says:

    it was the right call … or at least that is how this play is being called now across the NFL. If you’re hit and going backwards out of bounds, clock will roll.

  30. DallasBuc Says:

    Dude was knocked out of bounds. Had a collision not occurred he would have stayed inbounds. Absurdity.

  31. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    You apparently don’t comprehend too well, do you? I said “it seems like a bad call”, did I not? However, I immediately went on Twitter, and there were several NFL guys saying it was the right call. I’m sorry you’re so upset we won, but learn to read better next time.

  32. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I don’t like the rule, I don’t like the call, but if it’s the rule, it’s the rule. There’s several stupid rules that just don’t feel right. This one, if true, certainly falls in that category. But we won, so who cares?

  33. Hizzie Says:

    It was the right call. You have to be going forward as you’re going out. Period. That’s what defensive players are hustling to push you out in those situations. They know if they push you out sideways or backwards the clock doesn’t stop. I don’t like the call either. But that doesn’t make it a bad call.

  34. gracelivin Says:

    I am a high school official and sorry but that was the right call on the Brate out of bounds, the play ends the moment a defensive player stops forward momentum, and in this case the momentum was stopped before he went out of bounds. Both the other calls seemed phantom to me, it looked as though Stocker’s hand went up to the chest plate but did not grab it, his falling caused the defensive player to fall. On the Evan’s TD it should have been a holding call against Sherman, as he had ahold of Evan’s Jersey for 10 yds and cried when ME slapped his hand off of him….Great win BUCS

  35. Patrick in VA Says:

    I’m not worried so much about the clock not being stopped on Brate not getting out of bounds. What had me screaming at the TV was the slow trot of the referee who was placing the ball. We were lined up to spike the ball and this guy is jogging over like he’s feigning an attempt at getting across a cross walk quickly. That was were it looked to me like we were getting jobbed. There’s no way this guy didn’t understand the situation and he was tanking us from scoring.

  36. Pickgrin Says:

    It was the correct call. I think its a stupid (newer) rule and gives too much judgement to the refs in crucial moments – but that’s how they are calling that play now. Saw the same scenario and call in a game last week. Offensive players are going to have to adjust and try to make sure they lean forward and don’t get knocked backwards when it’s imperative to get out of bounds to stop the clock.

    Hands to the face was BS (both on Dotson AND Marpet).

  37. orlbucfan Says:

    Dislocatedbucsfan Says:
    November 27th, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    Even if that call was valid the official took a day and a half moving like pond water to set the freaking ball! We could have had it spiked with 1 or 2 on the clock.
    Gene/Dave/TJ Reeves were going ballistic over the zebs on the radio. I said–come on Bucs, don’t get mad, get EVEN!!! That’s how the SB team played. That’s what Tampa Bay did yesterday. It worked, too. 🙂

  38. celly Says:

    DallasBuc Says:
    November 27th, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    TruFraudfan22- you are not the authority and are a hot air expert.

    Whether you agree with him or not, he’s correct.

    That was the correct no call on the out-of-bounds play. And in the reverse angle of the Stocker hold, you can clearly see him pull the defender down by the chest plate.

    The only thing I was mad about with that play was that I didn’t know that penalties were reviewable. The announcers brought up the fact that holding is reviewable in the event that it produces a score (I’m guessing only in the case of a safety).