“You Are Ignorant!”
November 29th, 2016
Pointed words for the GMC haters.
“The Big Dog” is fed up.
While basking in the warm glow of a glorious Bucs win, Joe’s good friend, the Dean of Tampa Bay sports radio, Steve Duemig, has had enough. He’s had his fill of the Gerald McCoy haters and he is calling them out.
In no uncertain terms, Duemig lashed out at the GMC haters who constantly fill his Twitter feed. Yesterday, in his monologue to open his show on WDAE-AM 620, Duemig said the GMC haters are not just loud-mouthed fools with a smartphone, they have no clue about the game of football or what they are watching.
“Isn’t it amazing what Gerald McCoy can do with help?” Duemig said. “And, oh by the way, for those of you – and I got these on my Twitter feed yesterday, ‘Oh, look, McCoy showed up.’ – bull-spit! You. Are. Ignorant! – Those people who sent those Twitters to me.
“[GMC’s] job is to be disruptive and he was very disruptive, yesterday. And he had a sack-and-a-half. And guess who is leading the National Football League with defensive tackles in sacks? Oh, that would be Gerald McCoy! So, you just confirmed – particularly what I thought – you don’t know what you are watching. You really don’t.
“All you want is sacks, sacks, sacks. It is not his job to get sacks. It is his job to be disruptive, but he is getting sacks on top of that and he leads the league [for sacks] in defensive tackles. Yes, that means [more than] Aaron Donald. Yes, that means Ndamukong Suh and some of the best defensive tackles in the business – he leads them all.
“So, I think we can do away with the complaints [about GMC]. The season has five more games to go. And it wouldn’t surprise me if [GMC] goes and gets maybe a couple of more [or] goes to double-figures [in sacks]. Does it make you feel good to criticize a guy who is very important to this team?”
Joe can only guess the GMC haters get some modicum of satisfaction from the complaining.
The irrational hatred leveled upon GMC has always puzzled Joe. OK, so he doesn’t get 10 tackles a game. Damon Harrison of the Giants leads the NFL in tackles for a defensive tackle with 63, which averages to just over five a game. The way the defensive line was struggling for the Bucs, what offensive coordinator in his right mind would actually run at GMC? Think about it.
It just never made sense to Joe why Bucs fans despise one of the better players in the game. Joe can only guess the folks who want GMC run also want Akeem Spence to start at defensive tackle. Joe remembers in the Raiders game in the third quarter when Bucs defensive coordinator Mike Smith gave GMC a series off, the Raiders exposed the Bucs interior by running up the middle at will. That quickly stopped when GMC went back in the game.
To listen to Duemig’s full monologue, click the button below. Audio courtesy of Joe’s friends at WDAE-AM 620.
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November 29th, 2016 at 1:00 pm
“Does it make you feel good to criticize a guy who is very important to this team?”
That wraps it up pretty well.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:05 pm
I think steve is talking to you Gilhealy.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:11 pm
How about them Bucs!
November 29th, 2016 at 1:17 pm
[Warned people not to test Joe. Goodbye. — Joe]
November 29th, 2016 at 1:23 pm
I don’t understand the hatred either. He’s not a loud, boisterous self promoter, he just goes out and plays and makes pro bowls. With the continued development of of Noah Spence and a healthy Robert Ayers, we should all be very optimistic bout the d-line.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:23 pm
I like that article but it’s funny this warning always appears with a big dog article. That’s cuz joe knows everyone dislikes the big dog in the Tampa Bay Area.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:24 pm
I enjoy Duemig’s show and listen to him everyday. But if it was up to him, Josh Freeman would still be our starting QB. His opinion is on par with the people who post about GMC on this website, that none of us have ever coached an NFL game. So I don’t agree with him calling out the GMC haters.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:27 pm
Yes it does make them feel good, which is sad.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:31 pm
There are so many holes in this it’s not even funny!!!!
Yes, that means [more than] Aaron Donald. Yes, that means Ndamukong Suh and some of the best defensive tackles in the business – he leads them all.
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Not true!
Donald has 11games 35 comb tackles 29 solo and 6 sacks
Suh has 11 games 51 comb tackles 29 solo and 5 sacks
McCoy has 10 games (more like 9.5 den left hurt always hurt) 23 comb tackles 17 solo and 6 sacks although should really be like 5.
So both suh and Donald have more solo tackles than McCoy has combined. Sad.
These are facts my friends. The “hate” is more so towards these people who obviously have no clue what they are talking about than at McCoy himself. He’s extremely talented but soft soft soft. He got a little too much freeman in him if you know what I mean.
As for Steve I just find it funny that a guy that calls everyone a moron, idiot and stupid is consistently wrong and doesn’t know what he is talking about.
I hope this falls within the rules. Thank you.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:33 pm
Until this guy actually starts following the team, I give very little credibility to anything that he says. Especially when he starts calling other people ignorant. Dude rarely knows who is on the team, struggles to recall things that happen in the game, offers no insight or valuable takes on what’s happening with the team.
I’ll pass on acknowledging any takes he has on the team, thanks. He checked out after Josh Freeman left. Listening to him talk, it sounds like he’d still prefer that JF be the QB rather than Jameis. Gives you a taste of where this dude’s football acumen is.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:33 pm
@Tony,
Or maybe it’s because Joe does work at WDAE. I can definitely tell by your posts that you have a problem understanding the way business works. First you get upset that Joe is trying to make money off this website (why don’t you work at your job for free?), and now you don’t understand why he wouldn’t allow people to criticize the station he appears on weekly. Damn, it amazes me how some people can get through life with such a small amount of common sense.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:33 pm
For the JBF posters who constantly berate GMC:
I don’t call posters names but their comments are:
Ignorant, uninformed, baseless, absurd, silly, stupid, mindless, unintelligent, imbecilic, dull-witted, foolish, slow, simple-minded, preposterous, ridiculous, farcical, hair-brained, moronic, cockamamie, ludicrous,
AND LAUGHINGLY OBTUSE!!!
November 29th, 2016 at 1:37 pm
DB55 is so obsessed with tackles, and it just keeps on showing how he really doesn’t understand anything being told to him. Tackles don’t mean jack sh!t for a 3 technique. But keep on being an idiot.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:42 pm
Only Hawaii and Steve want to pay a DT 16m a year and don’t expect tackles or sacks, only disruption. And I’m the stupid one? Come on!
More importantly I’m simply pointing out that GMC DOES NOT LEAD ALL DT IN SACKS. He might be tied with Donald in sacks but look at how much more disruptive suh and Donald are at bringing down the ball carrier.
Which part of that do you not understand Hawaii?
November 29th, 2016 at 1:43 pm
Patrick
Perfect post bro. Perfect!
November 29th, 2016 at 1:45 pm
Look at our run defense versus the likes of Miami and LA (because that’s were a D-lineman is going to get his tackles from). We have a better run defense than Miami, and about the same as LA. Last I checked, football is a team game. How do you think Kwon gets all those tackles? Do you ever see guards and centers get to the second level against us? How many times have we stopped teams trying to run up the middle on third and short against us this year? You don’t think McCoy has anything to do with that? He does exactly what he is supposed to do in the run game. And yes, I know I’m wasting my time. I’ve had better luck teaching my 5 year old about a zone blocking scheme that I can teach DB55 anything about football beyond how to read a stat sheet.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:46 pm
“Only Hawaii and Steve want to pay a DT 16m a year and don’t expect tackles or sacks, only disruption.”
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ONLY disruption, lol. Listen to how stupid you sound!!!!
November 29th, 2016 at 1:48 pm
@TBBF- You just HAD to throw “LAUGHINGLY OBTUSE” in there!!!!!
@DB55- I get your point DB. The only thing I can say is, everything in perspective. By comparing those statistics you give credence to the talent level of all 3 of them. I know he won’t win your heart, but he still IS one of the elite DTs today.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:50 pm
Aren’t the lineman supposed to disrupt and get in the way keeping the offensive lineman off the linebackers so they can make the tackle? Isn’t that why LB’s usually lead the league in tackles, but I’m just a fan so what do I know…
November 29th, 2016 at 1:53 pm
You cannot compare all stats equally amongst players on different teams. Kirk Cousins is killing Jameis statistically. Anybody think he’s a better QB than Jameis? Jameis doesn’t have the same weapons, doesn’t have the same offense, and has different responsibilities. Is the CB with the most INT’s the best CB in the league? Is the best RB the one with the most yards? What about the OL around him? This isn’t baseball. McCoy isn’t on the same defense as Donald or Suh. You can’t compare the two. He has a different coordinator, different responsibilities, and different guys around him.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:54 pm
This is really getting redundant… and I’m starting to think that at this point, people are just blatantly ignoring basic football principle and interjecting their own opinion on what a player should do.
I’m sure this is probably just a waste of time, cause the people that NEED to read this will probably just skip over it, but here goes anyway.
As per Bleacher Report, the purpose of the 3-technique in a 4-3 defensive front:
If you don’t understand what that means, then there really is no helping you, at which point, the rest of your posts should technically be rendered invalid in the eyes of most users.
As a matter of fact, I think at this point, I’m finished trying to explain Football 101 to those that are unwilling to receive the information.
I’m already on high blood pressure medication so there’s no need to be raising it due to the likes of you people.
Yes, I said, YOU PEOPLE. LOL…
#GoBucs
November 29th, 2016 at 1:59 pm
Yes. Yes you are the stupid one because you CLEARLY don’t understand how football works at the FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL.
News flash. If you’re tied for the lead, you still have the lead. Secondly, yes, it is a big deal that McCoy is tied for the lead for a doing a job that he’s not paid to do. Whether you like it or not, his job is not to get sacks, but to be a disruptive force in the middle of the line of scrimmage.
And the fact that you equate being disruptive to getting tackles proves your lack of knowledge.
Which part of Football 101 don’t YOU understand.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:59 pm
Big Dog blocked me on twitter because I pointed out that the anti-Trump protesters paled in comparison to the anti-Obama protesters of the last 8 years
Guess Big Dog needs his safe space
November 29th, 2016 at 1:59 pm
All you want is sacks, sacks, sacks. It is not his job to get sacks. It is his job to be disruptive,
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Hawaii said that I sound stupid. He must not know how to read.
but he is getting sacks on top of that and he leads the league [for sacks] in defensive tackles.
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Wrong! He’s tied for the lead. Plus you saw Spence’s first sack. He tackled Wilson into McCoy and that gave McCoy a half a sack. Hmm ok.
Yes, that means [more than] Aaron Donald. Yes, that means Ndamukong Suh and some of the best defensive tackles in the business – he leads them all.
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Wrong but whatever. Facts don’t matter. Last I checked 6 is not more than 6 but I’m stupid so what do I know?!?!?!?
November 29th, 2016 at 2:04 pm
I find it funny that everytime McCoy has a good game, we get one of these articles painting the “haters” as not knowing of anything about football. The Funny part is, McCoy’s good games usually only come within about every 5 or 6 games. The last 3 games McCoy has been on fire and absolutely has been earning his money, no doubt, but to suggest he’s always this good is nieve and ignorant as you are calling all the “haters”.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:05 pm
Celly
You really think he holds his gap? You should watch more film. You assume he does but I can show you a list of plays where he doesn’t. I’m all about facts if I’m wrong I’m happy to admit it but you guys just spew opinions not facts. And no need for name calling between us. I do it to Hawaii cuz he calls everyone names.
You guys love GMC, I get it! But you give him more credit than he earns.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:06 pm
@ DB55…exactly. I hope McCoy is buying Spence a steak dinner cause that half sack credited to McCoy was all Spence’s doing.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:08 pm
@Couch Fan,
You are incorrect. How do you judge a good game by McCoy? Are you watching coach’s film? Do you know his responsibilities on a particular play? Do you know when he’s supposed to hold the blocks while the NT or end is on a stunt? No, you don’t. All you know how to judge a guy by is how many tackles and/or sacks he gets. Like Celly said, we can’t explain football 101 to someone like you.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:12 pm
Old bill
Typically yes but mike smiths def is different somehow. It almost looks like the lbs eat the blocks for the dl. It’s weird.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:12 pm
@DB55- you are 1,000% correct. Big Dog needs to fact check himself
November 29th, 2016 at 2:13 pm
“Typically yes but mike smiths def is different somehow. It almost looks like the lbs eat the blocks for the dl. It’s weird.”
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LMAO. This is pure comedy at this point.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:13 pm
How exactly does a LB eat up blocks for a D-Lineman? Thats’ the funniest thing I’ve ever read in my entire life.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:15 pm
Jmn
No jmn you stupid (sarcasm) that would mean he doesn’t lead the league in sacks or tackles or games played or anything.
He would only lead the league in tears shed and hugs given out to other players on other teams. And we all know that is definitely not the case (sarcasm).
November 29th, 2016 at 2:15 pm
By that same logic Hawaiian, you wouldnt have any idea how McCoy is playing either so who are you to tell me I am wrong?.. I have eyes. I use them. I watch McCoy and I use my own brain to come up with my own opinions. I dont apologize for having a different opinion than yours.
Btw I dont care about tackles or sacks. Stats can be skewed to mean whatever you want them to mean.
Now you can continue your rant about how much smarter you are and how much more knowledgeable about “football 101” you are than me.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:16 pm
You should drop the bottom and watch the film.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:17 pm
Bottom line is he doesn’t lead the league in sacks, he’s tied and only by luck.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:19 pm
Couch fan also thinks that Chlamydia is a soup. It’s his opinion. He can have that if he’d like.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:20 pm
JOE I have one QUESTION?
If McCoy is this all time great DT and the Leader of the Defense, Worth of all the JOE praise and no criticism ever…..WHY DID JAMIES CALL HIM OUT IN THE END OF LAST SEASON AND THE BEGINNING OF THIS SEASON.
I know this is a hot topic and IF we say anything bad about McCoy we are dumb but stop and answer some questions?
McCoy is hurt more than the other two DT talked about
McCoy takes plays off
McCoy does not show any spirit on the field unless he makes a tackle or he is picking up an opponent from the ground to show how NICE he is…
McCoy is the Highest paid BUC he should put perform everyone else
November 29th, 2016 at 2:22 pm
Also, it seems like people are confused/upset at how sacks are tallied. If both players touch the player, it’s a half sack. You don’t think McCoy has ever gotten a half sack when he did the majority of the work? Get over it. Call it 5.5 sacks if you want to split hairs. I don’t care, and neither does anyone else. He’s a half game back of your love interest. Congratulations.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:23 pm
A-Train – The opening to your one question discredited the rest of your question. You can do better than that. Go back to the locker room, cry in the shower a little, and come log back on and try again.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:24 pm
He isn’t worth what he is being paid to have a half season take up a double team? I think that there are many player who can do that, he needs to get the sacks, remeber when sapp said he is going to set the record for sacks on a QB, ya, i have not heard that firer and desire EVER from 93….one of my favorite players on the lousy bucs squads was broderick thomas, but that dude went, i know they played different spots but the teams were basically the same…GMC just aint got that nasty dog in him like the last play of the dolphins game where suh knocked the communism out of kapernik
November 29th, 2016 at 2:25 pm
Couch fan also thinks that Chlamydia is a soup. It’s his opinion. He can have that if he’d like.
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Ahh I love it when a poster clearly jumps to insults. It shows you have nothing constructive to add other than you just dont like my opinion but you cant prove me wrong. Another point for the Couch Fan.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:25 pm
Funny. Big dog defends mccoy but rags on winston. Do you remember him roasting winston after the raiders game eventhough the offense put up 24 pts and the defense allowed 700 yards of offense? The lost was winston’s fault. Didnt he say something to the affect of not wanting to see winston as the franchise qb for the next 10 years? I dont think he has any room to call anyone ignorant. He is still pissed the bucs didnt pick his man crush mariota.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:27 pm
If McCoy keeps up the play from the last 3 weeks. The ‘haters’ wont have a leg to stand on. But lets not be silly. History shows us he will take the next few games off. Prove me wrong McCoy.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:28 pm
It was a quote from the Ladies Man. Just trying to add a little levity to a thread where a bunch of people are getting their feelings hurt way too easily. Clearly, judging by your reaction, it’s warranted.
Lighten up, Francis (just to save us some time, that’s another movie quote which shouldn’t be taken personally. Unless your name really is Francis, which would explain your hyper-sensitivity)
November 29th, 2016 at 2:30 pm
@Couch Fan,
If you want to say Donald or Suh is a little better, I’m fine with that. All 3 are really good players. All 3 will end up making about the same amount of money (Donald will probably make more because of the market). But it’s dumb to say McCoy isn’t in their category. I can see arguments why the others could be better, but I can also see it the other way around to. You’ll notice I’ve never said anything bad about Donald or Suh. My problem is when ignorant people criticize a 3 technique for not getting tackles. It’s stupid, and I guarantee you anyone with any real football experience would say the same.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:32 pm
Ahh so now you are trying to skew this as me being sensitive LMAO. Nice try, Fan boy. Dont worry, I dont take anything personal. All in good fan man. Just happy to see this team turn the corner and hope the D keeps this thing going.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:35 pm
Yet all 3 play 3tech and the other 2 have more solo tackles than he has COMBINED.
I bet if Jameis was being outplayed by his peers in the same fashion you people would scream from the rooftops. And big dawg has critized Jameis plenty so again the hypocrisy is thick.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:35 pm
I actually agree with that Hawaiian. Thats why I said I dont care about sacks or tackles. Not everything on the field can be wrote down on paper. I know McCoy is talented, we’ve seen how great he can play in tiny spurts. If he could just be more consistant, I’d have no doubt he’d be the best in the league. These last 3 games is the first time Ive seen consistency from him. Thats a great sign. Hope it continues.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:36 pm
One issue that the GMC haters consistently raise is how much GMC gets paid. Why does this matter? Is the concern about the salary cap? If so, the Bucs salary cap situation is just fine, especially since VJax is most likely out the door next year. Is it production or specific statistics, like sacks or tackles? How much should GMC be paid, then? What salary level would satisfy them? The haters will definitely have a collective heart attack next year when his salary goes up from $6 million this year to $13.5 million, but we’ll save that discussion for next year. He is a vested veteran and that was his market value (as a three technique DT) when he signed the contract. Most importantly, he wants to be in Tampa when a lot of players around the league do not (because of all the losing seasons). Paying players involve risks, and we have seen our fair share over the years. Players rarely see the full value of their deals anyway, and I am almost certain that his deal will be renegotiated. I like the spirit of the GMC haters because they want what is best for the team and want to see a great product on the field. I hope that we can all agree on this. The players voted for GMC to be a team captain and that is good enough for me. Generally, I wonder if the players ever get motivated by their haters?
November 29th, 2016 at 2:37 pm
Patrick the Great Football mind comes up with a DUMB Statement
Go back to the sand box and let the adults talk
One day you can sit at the Adult table when you have something intelligent to ad to the conversation
Typical … You said something bad about McCoy you dummy
November 29th, 2016 at 2:43 pm
@Hawaiian…
That’s what I always find hilarious.
The people on here that support McCoy have never once said that Donald or Suh weren’t great talents…
But the people that bash him state that he’s so far removed from one conversation of one of the best 3-tech DTs in the league….
No McCoy supporter has denied the talents of Donald or Suh, but guess what? Neither of those 2 players are on the Bucs and, to be honest, for what he does for THIS defense, I wouldn’t trade him for either one of those 2. (well, maybe except for Donald, but ONLY because of salary, which we all know will sky rocket as soon as he’s eligible for negotiation).
November 29th, 2016 at 2:43 pm
Well played A-train, you pulled out the “nuh-uh, I’m not dumb, you are” tactic. You’re a formidable competitor.
While I’m at the kiddy table, maybe you can teach me a thing or two by actually showing me where anyone has ever claimed that McCoy is an “all time great DT”. What you’re doing is fabricating an argument so you can then tear it down. Nobody, anywhere, ever even alluded to what you claim is some sort of widely held sentiment. That’s what I meant when I said that the beginning of your comment rendered the rest of it irrelevant.
Again, the hurt feelings and vitriol on this site, when we’re in the middle of a very positive and hopeful point in our Bucs fandom, is astounding. It doesn’t get much better than this, buddy. Try to lighten up a little bit.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:48 pm
@DB55….right lol, you take away that half sack and that ammo is gone for the McCoy apologists.
And to all the apologists, if McCoy keeps the momentum he has built up the past few weeks, the hatters and skeptics will shut up and we can all revel in a dominant Bucs D and come together as fans!
November 29th, 2016 at 2:48 pm
@CouchFan,
I don’t think we are too far off. I would just argue that I don’t think he’s played bad in the games you are discussing. Do you think Russell Wilson played terrible against us? I don’t think so. I just think he was swarmed, and had very little help. He’s a great player, and great players rarely play poorly due to their own fault. It’s almost always a result of not having help. Do you think it’s a coincidence that McCoy has been more dominant lately, at the exact same time that we are starting to get healthy? I don’t. If he is surrounded by backups and marginal players, the defense is going to focus on him and eliminate him from the game. It wouldn’t matter if he was Warren Sapp or Reggie White. But when you give him help, he is going to destroy the other team, or the guys around him will. Spence looks like a baller. McDonald is a pretty good NT. Ayers is a legit NFL pass rusher. Those guys are contributing, and the result is all of them applying pressure and balling out. They are working as a team. That’s the way it’s supposed to work. I can promise you if those guys keep playing the way they are, McCoy will continue being dominant.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:51 pm
I’m not saying it’s silly, I just don’t understand it! GMC is a BUC, right?
I think the vitriol is misguided. We have been victim to some horrific defense for the last ‘few’ years and GMC happened to be on those teams. I would argue that the defense was terrible regardless of GMC, meaning insert Donald in there, or Suh. What would be different? I don’t think it would’ve moved the needle one bit. That’s how bad we’ve been. McCoy is who he is which happens to be one of the top of his position AND he’s a Buc.
WTF is the problem?!
November 29th, 2016 at 2:51 pm
Also, at no point did I say something bad about McCoy. I made a reference to something that happened with him. It was neither good nor bad. Merely something that happened. If you think that it’s bad for a man to cry, then that would probably explain your quickness to lash out. Maybe it’s something that we should talk about. How does it make you feel when you here about GMC being so vulnerable like that?
November 29th, 2016 at 2:53 pm
Getting hated on a daily by your fanbase?
Call the Law Firm of Hawaiian Buc LLP.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:58 pm
87 wins the thread
November 29th, 2016 at 2:58 pm
You must be new here. I can guarantee you that won’t happen. They’ll find something new to complain about or claim it was done is spite of him…
November 29th, 2016 at 2:59 pm
@1987,
Lol. I just don’t understand the hate for McCoy. He’s a really good player, he’s outstanding in the community, and most importantly he chose to stay here. Why wouldn’t the fans embrace that? I don’t get it, and the reasoning of a few misguided souls doesn’t hold water. It’s an eternal debate that will never go away. We could win the Super Bowl, and these same people will talk about how McCoy got lucky with a half sack, or talk about how he didn’t make a huge play, or how he didn’t have enough tackles. It’s stupid, and everyone knows it. He’s a Buc, he will continue to be a Buc, and we are damn lucky to have him. I feel the exact same way about Jameis, Evans, and a few other guys. I really like the guys on this team. We just need a few holes filled and some depth, and we are going to be hell to deal with over the next few years.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:01 pm
Doesn’t the dude buy everyone ice creams after practice? Who in their right F’n mind who have a problem with a guy that buys everyone ice cream?
November 29th, 2016 at 3:03 pm
Reasonable Bucs Fan: “Gerald McCoy is a great DT and one of our better players”
Anti-GMC trolls: “OMG WHY THE F*CK ARE YOU GIVING THIS GUY PRAISE?!?!?!?! HE IS GARBAGE!!”
For some reason the anti-GMC people keep saying that the non-haters are all over his nuts and think he’s the greatest DT ever or something. You guys are arguing against something that doesn’t exist. No fans are in here just blatantly praising him all the time for no reason. No fans I’ve ever seen are saying he’s better than Sap or even better than Donald.
I don’t get why it’s a big deal to be happy we have a solid DT that gets paid less than his contemporaries. There is way more sh1t to worry or nitpick about on this team lol
November 29th, 2016 at 3:04 pm
Dude if you knew any other adj besides stupid, ignorant and moron you would have better conversations.
Look at the headline yet everything he said is wrong. That’s not something I can ignore.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:05 pm
I wouldn’t say he’s ever played bad. Just not consistent enough with his talent level. He’s took 3 steps in the right direction though. I want to see this same type of passion for the rest of the season. If they do, playoffs are a certainty in my mind. And im excited to see how a better safety will improve this defense. And I’d like to see LVD stop missing tackles please.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:05 pm
“Lol. I just don’t understand the hate for McCoy. He’s a really good player, he’s outstanding in the community, and most importantly he chose to stay here. ”
When the haters read your post they are reading
“MCCOY IS THE BEST DT OF ALL TIME PERIOD AND I LOVE HIM SO MUCH”
People don’t read anymore. People are responding to ideas that aren’t even suggested as if they were typed here.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:08 pm
Drop the mic ’87!!!
Drop the mic Lord Cornelius!!!
“I don’t get why it’s a big deal to be happy we have a solid DT that gets paid less than his contemporaries. There is way more sh1t to worry or nitpick about on this team lol”
Amen brother, amen!
November 29th, 2016 at 3:16 pm
What’s good for the goose is NOT good for the gander. That’s all I’m saying ….
“Here’s a disconnect. First, so much of David’s giant contract, $10 million per year, was based on numbers, aka stats. So Koetter has to understand that fans — and the league — are dialed into David’s lost production.
He used to be a guy leading the NFL in tackles and sacking quarterbacks and intercepting passes. He’s not that guy this year. David has zero picks and 44 solo tackles this season. David had over 100 solo tackles in each of his first three seasons, 85 last year, and 44 this year. David has 13 assists on tackles this year. He had 62 last season.
Second, Joe could go to the film and point out times this season when David wasn’t exactly giving maximum effort.
David isn’t having a great year. Joe respects Koetter immensely, but David hasn’t been the player the Bucs are paying for.”
But if you say this about McCoy you’re a hater that is stupid and doesn’t know anything about football. Come on man.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:21 pm
Good point DB55
November 29th, 2016 at 3:26 pm
@DB 55
Mic drop!!!!! Calling out joe for doing the same thing he gets on McCoy “haters” for doing. Well played sir, well played.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:30 pm
@ Celly…nah, been reading and posting on this site for half a decade now, maybe even longer, can’t remember. I guess I am feeling optimistic today with the Bucs winning 2 big games these past few weeks. Sadly, you are probably correct.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:34 pm
gmc is a good player who is injury prone and unreliable. nothing more nothing less. he is not elite nor is he a leader. his cap space could be used much more wisely. he is NO where near worth what he is being paid. he finally did his job on Sunday and all the nut huggers are out slinging haters shut up…. its hilarious..
November 29th, 2016 at 3:34 pm
Look, the redundancy of this “conversation” is mind-numbing!
OK, everybody hold hands and repeat after me:
YO-HO-HO WE’RE THE BUCCANEERS………..
November 29th, 2016 at 3:35 pm
………MAKE THE CHARGERS WALK THE PLANK, THROW THEM IN TAMPA BAY…………….
November 29th, 2016 at 3:36 pm
DON’T YOU GUYS FEEL BETTER NOW?!!!
Go Bucs!
November 29th, 2016 at 3:37 pm
DB55, they are not parallel situations or critiques as far as i can see. the point both Joe and Duemig are making is that not only is GMC clearly influencing other teams’ gameplans, he is also showing up on the stat sheet in a league – leading manner at his position. In prior years, this has been consistently true when he is healthy – he’s the main player defenses try to neutralize and yet is a statistical leader in sacks\game since his first full season. LVD (prior to Sunday) is way down the stat sheet for his position and arguably exploited by opponents this year, in stark contrast to prior years. 180 degrees.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:38 pm
In full disclosure, I would’ve sited the whole song but I forgot all the words!
November 29th, 2016 at 3:38 pm
cited*
November 29th, 2016 at 3:41 pm
sorry but my ignorant self thinks DB is the only one using logic in this argument.
You can’t say that he leads for sacks in the league and then 5 min later you say stats are not important for a DT.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:42 pm
he finally did his job on Sunday
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Against 3 rookie first time starters and a gifted half sack, but that’s none of my business though. Lol
November 29th, 2016 at 3:42 pm
And my DB I means DB55
November 29th, 2016 at 3:42 pm
Can’t take little dog seriously due to his unfounded anti-Jameis bias and hatred; he is right on GMC getting unfairly critiqued but pretty much wrong on all his other Bucs “hot takes”. Just check out his twitter on a Bucs game day, any great Jameis play…silence. Any over throw, INT, or misstep he gets itchy twitter fingers to blast him. I’m really glad we live in the internet era where local radio isn’t our only sports coverage option for our team.
Go Bucs.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:44 pm
I can garuntee you he’ll be out injured against Dallas. He don’t want none of that oline, it will expose him.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:46 pm
I listen to 620WDAE everyday…..it’s on everyday in my office.
“Big Dog” is by far the worst talk show host for this station……..and yes he is a GMC fanboy……………so it would be pointless to say otherwise.
Whenever the media talks about GMC, he always gets a pass for when he is invisible in games or is not playing well…….it’s always the excuses of:
– He’s playing hurt
– He’s getting double teamed
– He has no other help on the line
But yet when his subs comes in and plays in his absence, they make plays regardless who is lined up next to them??????
I just don’t simply understand people’s logic about hailing GMC as an Elite DT.
I watch games with my own eyes and I don’t look at the stats……that mainly consists of garbage time sacks/plays that all these GMC fanboys always refer to as well.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:47 pm
tampa bay couldn’t care less what he thinks.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:47 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo thinks the hate for GMC could actually be “peni$ envy” While GMC doesn’t have an elongated arc like Pablo & Haboo, Pablo is quite sure that GMC is more than adequate down there. (87 told me)”
November 29th, 2016 at 3:48 pm
I thought I’d change the subject.
Does anyone miss Josh Freeman?
November 29th, 2016 at 3:50 pm
Tampabaybucfan
It’s completely impossible for it to be penis envy. 93 had labia reconstruction surgery.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:51 pm
Does his hair count, Tbbf?!
November 29th, 2016 at 3:53 pm
Matthew, maybe Bigdog is Bucnut2. I haven’t seen them together… Wired. Lol
November 29th, 2016 at 3:55 pm
Weird
November 29th, 2016 at 3:55 pm
The longer this thread goes the more entertaining it becomes! How do we keep it going? Is there a record for # of comments?
GMC>Milk Carton? Discuss.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:57 pm
Didn’t even listen, but Bid Dog is a jackass. But I still listen in the evenings due to lack of options….
November 29th, 2016 at 3:58 pm
@ Tmaxcon
I’m sure you were there at his bedside during his recovery.
November 29th, 2016 at 4:00 pm
“tmaxcon Says:
November 29th, 2016 at 3:50 pm
Tampabaybucfan
It’s completely impossible for it to be penis envy. 93 had labia reconstruction surgery.”
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
OMG…….this is dog gum funny!
November 29th, 2016 at 4:01 pm
I have a question for the GMC haters that I really hope gets answered. Well, actually 2 questions:
1) If GMC is as bad as you say he is, why have the players and coaches constantly voted him in the top 100 players in the NFL since 2013
2) If GMC was an unrestricted free agent and was released tomorrow, do you really believe that there aren’t 20+ teams that would make a run at him?
And the only reason I put that number at 20+ and not 25+ is the bevy of teams running a 34 scheme.. And even in that sense, I strongly believe that they would put him at 34 DE.
November 29th, 2016 at 4:02 pm
“But if you say this about McCoy you’re a hater that is stupid and doesn’t know anything about football. Come on man.”
Difference is David’s stats are like 1/2 of his norm…
McCoy’s are right in line with another productive season of pushing for 10 sacks…
But o no $13 million could be used so WISELY elsewhere. We’d surely be better off with a marginal #2 WR and mediocre to bad Safety and getting rid of our best D-lineman.
November 29th, 2016 at 4:02 pm
Burglife is gone in 3…2…1…
November 29th, 2016 at 4:04 pm
It’d be one thing if we got offered 3 first rounders for McCoy; or even 2. Or if he was paid like the other top DTs at $15-19 mill per year.
But he isn’t. I don’t get why you guys hate on the salary. It isn’t your money.
Sweezy almost made the same to not do anything.
I have yet to see a McCoy hater explain the magic we could work with just $13 mill in cap space freed up. I just don’t get any of this lol
November 29th, 2016 at 4:06 pm
Also – more than half of FA signings are busts. So even if we signed 2 decent guys for his salary there is a good chance one is a waste of a signing. Not to mention we’d be over-paying in FA versus under-paying like we did by signing McCoy early and saving ourselves $5-6 mill per year based on what happened with Suh later
November 29th, 2016 at 4:06 pm
@ Tmaxipad
FYI…..it was Pablo that suggested peni$ envy, not TBBF
November 29th, 2016 at 4:16 pm
It’s not about the money. It’s about production compared to his status as an elite DT.
November 29th, 2016 at 4:17 pm
Bucsfanman Says:
November 29th, 2016 at 3:38 pm
In full disclosure, I would’ve sited the whole song but I forgot all the words!
———————————————————-
“Hey, hey, hey, we’re the Buccaneers
Ho, ho, ho, we’re the Buccaneers
Offense, Defense, Special Teams, Hoo-ray!!
Make the Chargers walk the plank!
Throw ’em in Tampa Bay!”
FWIW, I remember singing that song in Tampa Stadium in 1979. 🙂 GO MIGHTY BUCS!!
November 29th, 2016 at 4:25 pm
GMC is our best player..he get a lot of hate…remember when didnt have #3,#54,#58, or #13 we had GMC salute
November 29th, 2016 at 4:28 pm
@ lordcorneliues
When mccoy signed his contract 4 years ago (offseason after his 4th year), it was the highest contract for a 4-3 dt at 7 yrs 98 mil. Obviously suh signed a larger one two years ago but thats how it goes. Just like normans contract is larger than lets say patrick peterson because the year he signed but they are expected to bring the same level of pay. Btw… he is paid 14 mil a year. The only reason other guys are paid more is because they signed in years after mccoy’s deal. Its called inflation.
November 29th, 2016 at 4:36 pm
So…did McCoy not bullrush two lineman and spring Russell for one of his sacks in the Seahawks game? By some of the logic being thrown around here about being gifted a half-sack, shouldn’t he also be credited for that? See, it works both ways, but in neither case is it reality.
November 29th, 2016 at 4:37 pm
Joe regularly lands it right on the mark regarding GMac: he’s not a hall of famer, but he’s still pretty damn good and that’s A-okay. He’s the fastest tackle off the snap this side of Aaron Donald and he’s on an incredibly reasonable contract. It’s like crying and trying to get rid of mike Evans because Julio jones is better. McCoy is not a particularly vocal leader and he never will be, but we don’t need him to be anymore now that we have Jameis, we just need him to be the second best 4-3 DT in the NFL like he’s been for the past several years.
November 29th, 2016 at 4:46 pm
Wish we had another sports radio station in Tampa area.
November 29th, 2016 at 4:49 pm
Tony Says
“I like that article but it’s funny this warning always appears with a big dog article. That’s cuz joe knows everyone dislikes the big dog in the Tampa Bay Area.”
Not everyone. I accept Stave for who he is. I don’t always agree with his takes, but in this I agree with him 1000%.
I DO wish certain commenters would test the rules here though. Just for the peace and quite.
November 29th, 2016 at 5:30 pm
[Goodbye — Joe]
November 29th, 2016 at 5:32 pm
Celly
1) If GMC is as bad as you say he is, why have the players and coaches constantly voted him in the top 100 players in the NFL since 2013
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Very true but if you noticed he’s dropped to the 60s now from the 30s and teens prior to, whatever that means.
If GMC was an unrestricted free agent and was released tomorrow, do you really believe that there aren’t 20+ teams that would make a run at him?
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This kinda reminds me of Revis. 2 years ago I was called stupid bc I said Revis was washed up but the experts said otherwise. Then he started getting burnt by everyone, today they talking about retirement. I’m just convinced that the experts don’t know jack and are not going to commit professional suicide by going against popular opinion.
November 29th, 2016 at 5:40 pm
Never had a bad thought or word about McCoy. Just want to point out that calling people “haters” counts as name-calling, in my book.
November 29th, 2016 at 5:44 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says:
November 29th, 2016 at 1:33 pm
For the JBF posters who constantly berate GMC:
I don’t call posters names but their comments are:
Ignorant, uninformed, baseless, absurd, silly, stupid, mindless, unintelligent, imbecilic, dull-witted, foolish, slow, simple-minded, preposterous, ridiculous, farcical, hair-brained, moronic, cockamamie, ludicrous,
AND LAUGHINGLY OBTUSE!!!
………………………
POST OF THE DECADE and it came from my man TBBF!!
Awesome and true at the same time bro
November 29th, 2016 at 6:37 pm
Patrick I believe I wrote a post and you used the name call…
NO ONE has stated McCoy is great? Really There are Three articles on him just this week, He is PAID 100 Million Dollars (highest paid Buc, possibility highest paid DT in league.)
Joe continues to talk about McCoy and never calls him out for his BAD GAMES..
MY POINT: McCoy is a Good DT ….NOT worth 100 million… He takes plays off, he is injury prone, He does not play as well every game..
LAST Sunday the Man was lights out…The Dline was better,, McCoy needs to play at that level every game and LEAD>..
November 29th, 2016 at 6:39 pm
ALSO if you say McCoy SUCKS then You do not know football..
If you can not criticize McCoy and Then you are BLIND
Every other play catches it from Joe at times BUT NOT MCCOY..
DONE>>>>
GOING WITH THE BONZAI THEORY —- FAN SUPPORT
GOOOOOO BUCSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 29th, 2016 at 6:40 pm
This might be the silliest thread I have ever read on this site.
McCoy might not be the best DT in the league but he is in the top 5. When other teams game plan for a player, that means they are an impact player.
Detractors keep bringing up his pay. Why does that matter to anyone other than the Glazers? Is it just pure jealousy? The Bucs aren’t hurting for cap room, so it doesn’t impact the building of the team.
November 29th, 2016 at 6:43 pm
“@ lordcorneliues
When mccoy signed his contract 4 years ago (offseason after his 4th year), it was the highest contract for a 4-3 dt at 7 yrs 98 mil. Obviously suh signed a larger one two years ago but thats how it goes. Just like normans contract is larger than lets say patrick peterson because the year he signed but they are expected to bring the same level of pay. Btw… he is paid 14 mil a year. The only reason other guys are paid more is because they signed in years after mccoy’s deal. Its called inflation.”
I understand inflation. But the debate we’re having is in 2016. And right now his cap hit is $13 million. No one has made anything close to a decent argument about what we could accomplish with $13 million; and they likely will never make a good argument because great FA players cost a lot more than that.
And even if we want to talk the last few years; his contract has been great. The most comparable signing which is apples to apples is Suh. Same draft class, similar production; but Suh got at least $5 mill more per year.
And my point about Malik Jackson & Cox is to show how much it’d cost to try and replace McCoy if we got rid of him. Good DTs are hard to find. Look at the recent drafts of DTs and there are tons of mediocre guys who went in round 1. I just think people are being a bit naive / ignorant / or just weird
November 29th, 2016 at 6:59 pm
So says the guy who just 4 weeks ago stated he was done with 22 year old second year qb that has all the makings of a superstar. He his proclamation means a lot.
November 29th, 2016 at 7:35 pm
And yet he refuses to give Jameis ANY credit for the team’s recent success. Hypocrite.
November 29th, 2016 at 8:28 pm
Hey @HawaiianBuc…
There are multiple Tony’s on this site. I know that’s a lot for YOU to handle with your myopic view towards, well… most things. I am the one who tends to criticize Joe when he resorts to sensationalistic click-bait fodder to drive up revenue streams rather than hold true to the previous great standards he had set for himself when I first started reading this site years ago. Ludicrous! –Joe
I value this website and will call it out when I feel like it’s a half step away from TMZ fodder which has happened more often lately.Ludicrous! –Joe
So, you sir, the master of criticism and disparaging remarks from your holier-than-though high horse are wrong here – because you are incapable of realizing the possibility that more than one person can have the same name.
November 29th, 2016 at 8:36 pm
Trying to get GMC haters to understand how stupid their position is as fruitless as licking a hand grenade to get to that soft, chewy center.
November 29th, 2016 at 8:47 pm
I like GMC, and now that Spawn is starting to shine, Gholston is possibly the best run stopping DE in the league, and beastly McDonald is back, I’m liken him even more.
November 29th, 2016 at 8:47 pm
Hawaii… I don’t think you should base your knowledge of the role of a 3 tech in a 4-3 soley based on Bleacher Report. Check out some coaching forums or sites. Basing your entire argument soley on an article to educate people in the simplest formations and scheme possible of a 4-3 is un-wise. Furthermore, we were only in a 4-3 look for 10 ish plays on sunday. Otherwise we were in an AB nickle or 4-2-5. I cant remember who posted the statement along the lines saying the LB where eating up blocks for the DL. Never in my life have I heard that. What looks like is occuring is a string out concept. The down 4’s responsibility is to read ( High hat-low hat) than make the call for Pass rush or Run d. If its run d. They then read the block. ( Down, Base or Hook). Down block the DL squeezes the lineman and fills looking for the pulling player to dip and rip. Hook the DL will maintain outside leverage and cause the play to bounce out wide. This is common for teams that are undersized and fast (bucs). The LB’s responsibility is to fill holes will attempting to make the play. With the mind set that if the play cant be made, the ball carrier must be pushed out side of you. Then in come the safties. Hence why CC23 is the leading tackler for us.( Im too lazy to look it up right now) lol. We use the sidelines for support. GMC needs consistency
November 29th, 2016 at 8:55 pm
My mistake, kwon is the leading tackler. Chris had the most on Sunday I believe
Behind Kwon is Chris and Bradley.
November 29th, 2016 at 9:36 pm
HB…you think defending GMC is tough?
Try defending Jameis Winston from 2014 on.
I was called Winston’s lawyer a few times up in here. Called many other things too.
I took the JBF heat Jameis. Me. The fastballs, the curves and the heat.
I care mostly about 3 things. 1 Family 2 Life 3 The Bucs. We are blessed.
Anyone like Jameis Winston? I do…..A LOT!
November 29th, 2016 at 9:37 pm
Dislocated
That sounds about right. It’s like everyone has a gap. I think mike smith called it “something” 8. Not sure, all I know is rather than reading the guards and attacking the ball LVD is taking on blocks and/or playing contain. Correct me if I’m wrong.
November 29th, 2016 at 9:46 pm
I’m still trying to figure out how DB55 thinks a LB eats up blockers for a DT. I guess I really don’t know much about football.
November 29th, 2016 at 9:49 pm
@1987,
Maybe you forgot, but I was right there with you. And just like you, I defended him through his struggles. It’s good to see we are looking smart on that one, unlike how you looked with Freeman, lol (I jumped off the Freeman bandwagon long before you).
November 29th, 2016 at 10:04 pm
@DislocatedBucsFan,
I wasn’t the one who quoted Bleacher Report. I realize that we play tons of nickel. Our base defense is a 4-3, and a 3 techniques role doesn’t really change whether we are in nickel or not. He is still supposed to disrupt the offense as much as possible. Unless you have access to the coach’s film and/or the play call, you really can’t judge how he is playing. Obviously that can go both ways, but I’m going to take the word of the experts, teammates, and coaches over some random guy who thinks LB’s eat up blocks for Linemen.
November 29th, 2016 at 10:33 pm
LVD is not getting off the blocks well enough. Then again from the outside looking in its tough to say. Particular scheme or set reads are tough to determine without completely understanding what the D goal is for that play. In its most basic form dl, eats the blocks to free up LB to make plays. Scheming for Wilson is a monster in itself. So your not far off 55. Hawaii, I am indifferent on McCoy. Leaning to the hater side if you want to call me that. McCoy is too inconsistent,; by that I mean he takes plays off too often and is on the injury report too often. Do I like him yea, he’s better than most. Is he the second coming of sapp? Hell no. He has steadily improved his play from week to week. My biggest gripe is that he needs some intensity. Like how Ayers and Hawley play. We have much bigger problems on this upward trending team. Like Donnavan Smith. If I was the ol coach or oc. His ass would have sat for some time for lack of effort along time ago. I digress he has played better over the last few weeks.I flipped out Too many times seeing his big butt loafing around on a play. I still cringe thinking about it.
November 29th, 2016 at 10:35 pm
If you don’t think McCoy is a good player then you should spend your Sundays roaming the stalls of bathrooms at various I75 rest stops with a drill in your hand. McCoy is one of the BEST DT’s in the game. He’s not Warren Sapp, I get that, but he’s one of the best playing today. Period. Now back to the glory hole for you GMC haters, your mouth is missed.
November 29th, 2016 at 11:56 pm
Look he has never hAd his Sim Rice.
Having said that his is a no 99
His he good??? Hell ya
His he elite and hof bound?? Nope
Am I glad we have him ??? Yep
November 30th, 2016 at 12:42 am
GMC haters are clowns and should be ignored. How do I know? Every week on the conference call with reporters, the opposing team’s coach talks about how they have to gameplan for Gerald McCoy. I’m sure Joe can vouch for that. Opposing OCs say it in interviews. Then comes game day and GMC gets double-teamed on every pass play. If McCoy is eating up two blockers, you’re damn straight other guys are going to make the tackles and get the precious stats. That’s how it’s supposed to work.
Basically, these haters think they know more than NFL coaches. The words and actions of these coaches prove that GMC is a stud.
I don’t care how much money he makes either. Neither you nor I write the checks. There hasn’t been a free agent we wanted to sign but couldn’t because of a lack of cap space.
November 30th, 2016 at 10:16 am
I really dislike it when a radio host attacks his audience. Doesn’t seem like good business to me. But Gooberville can’t support a second sports talk station, so we’re stuck.
And while there are always a few people will complain about anyone making a lot of money, I think this whole “GMC hater” storyline has been ginned up by this web site and some media. McCoy is a good player. I just rarely hear, “OMG, this guy’s unblockable!” like I did about Fletcher Cox on MNF. That’s not “hating.” The Bucs are definitely better with him. Reasonable people can disagree about how much better.
December 1st, 2016 at 10:41 am
We have to realize that Steve Duemig’a job is to generate controversy to draw ratings. (The same goes for most media outlets and “news” channels.) Steve is very good at his job.
When Duemig first started broadcasting, he capitalized on Vinny Testaverde being a hot button issue. Then he moved on to Trent Dilfer, claiming he was not good enough to win a Super Bowl. (Note: Dilfer won Super Bowl 35 in Raymond James Stadium, but for the Baltimore Ravens.) Duemig has moved on to many other players and coaches, which may have contributed to them being shown the door.
The bottom line is that Duemig’s success is not determined by being correct, it’s determined by being controversial.
Well played, Steve.
December 3rd, 2016 at 11:26 am
Who knows more about the game, the fans or the players and coaches? It’s the players and coaches who have voted GMC to the Pro Bowl, not the fans.
Draw your own conclusions.
Back when RayJay first opened and Derrick Brooks was in his prime there was this old coot who sat behind us who was always berating #55. “Where was Brooks” he would scream on almost every play. Plays to other side of the field, passes down field, and plays he made tackles on, it didn’t matter. While not a HOF caliber player GMC is still one of the best at his position but there will always be haters. People see what they need to see, hear what they need to hear and ignore everything else.
Mcoys biggest fault? He isn’t Warren Sapp, and that is the bottom line with the short sighted, clueless fan.