Could Bucs Get A Third-Round Pick For Aguayo?

October 31st, 2016
Trade winds blowing?

Trade winds blowing?

Once upon a time, former Bucs rockstar general manager Mark Dominik pulled off a legendary NFL heist, executing an October trade of frightful defensive end Gaines Adams to the Bears for a second-round pick.

Man, Dominik fleeced Lovie Smith and Rod Marinelli in 2009. Adams, may he rest in peace, was a second-rate player, a bust of a No. 4 overall pick in 2007. Adams was an excellent athlete but an incomplete football player lacking a strong work ethic.

But like any other commodity, Adams’ value was defined by the free market.

And that brings Joe to the Bucs’ poor kicker, rookie Roberto Aguayo. The Bucs bought him in this year’s NFL Draft for a third-round and fourth-round pick. They used those to trade up and grab him late in the second round.

Aguayo has struggled since mid-August. And perhaps the greatest problem the Bucs organization has is zero plan to fix Aguayo. Kickers aren’t developmental projects, especially not ones who actually get drafted.

Dirk Koetter admits he he’s got no magic sauce to fix Aguayo.

Jason Licht doesn’t even seem to think Aguayo would benefit from old fashioned competition. Aguayo was a lone wolf in training camp and there is no kicker on the practice squad.

Joe has written countless times that the investment in Aguayo means fans should expect him to be on the roster all season. However, Joe does not rule the Bucs trading Aguayo if they can find a sucker to cough up a third-round pick.

A move like that at tomorrow’s trade deadline would shut up a vast majority of fans still angered by Licht’s decision in April. And Licht certainly could find a kicker on the street to perform at least as well as Aguayo has.

You can say an Aguayo trade for a third-round is absolutely impossible, but so was the Adams deal.

This afternoon, Joe is embracing history.

89 Responses to “Could Bucs Get A Third-Round Pick For Aguayo?”

  1. Bucamania Says:

    Aguayo gotta go. Even the kicks he makes are iffy. Bucs could get a better kicker off the street.

  2. Doctor Stroud Says:

    Capece is kaput; Aguayo esta acabado.

  3. scott Says:

    Joe that’s a far fetched fantasy.. Everybody is laughing at this whole Agayuo situation. Licht does need to bring in somebody.. he is sitting around doing nothing as of late. Letting these coaches once again bring in their crappy cast offs. Need another Mankins type trade.. Its like Licht lost his sack and his nack for wheeling and dealing

  4. BigMacAttack Says:

    No one is that stupid or desperate.

  5. Joehelldeloxley Says:

    They have my blessing if our GM can do that.

    No hard feeling for the fuy, i’m sure Roberto is a very nice chap, but maan, we can’t continue missing extra point !

    I understand missing 50 or 50+ FG but extra point come on !!!

  6. jvato24 Says:

    Quick question, How is Gaines Adams such a bust when he had 12.5 sacks in first 2 seasons ???? Tell me the last Bucs DL to have 12.5 sacks in 2 seasons other than GMC?? Who knows what could have been had his heart condition been identified earlier

  7. Getaclue Says:

    We were able to get what we got for Adams because DE is a premium position that teams will take a chance on a players upside. Not kicker where you can find a suitable replacement walking the street. Is Mike James healthy yet? I know he is a free agent and he was waived with an injury designation. We could really use him now if he is healthy . We could square up are rbs for the short term until we are healthy and we need to make a play for a wr. Tired of hearing everyone like we are 1-6. We were one play away from playing for first place Thursday and we are undefeated in the division with 9 games to play but we need to inject some more talent if we can before tomorrow

  8. BucTrooper Says:

    Trade McCoy for a WR.

    Seriously. When was the last time McCoy took over a game? When was the last time you couldn’t stop hearing the announcer call his name and number? The truth is he gets a sack here and there and at the end of the year his numbers look OK and no one wants to do anything about it. But anyone who says he’s dominant is just delusional. He played 5/4 of football yesterday and got one tackle. One. Think about it, there is no signature McCoy game. I can think of at least seven signature warren Sapp games.

    Be honest. Everything with McCoy is either an injury or a disappearing act.

  9. D-Rome Says:

    Kickers aren’t developmental projects

    This is why you cannot compare trading Gaines Adams with potentially trading Aguayo. The Bears must have believed Gaines Adams was a developmental project.

    Drafting a terrible kicker in the 2nd round and spending big money on a free agent who will not take a snap all year would be more than enough for any other team to fire the GM. Yet, this is the Buccaneer way of doing things.

  10. lightningbuc Says:

    My god, all the uproar over a kicker. He ain’t very good, but this just in – neither is our QB, the Rbs that are left, most of the WRs, the D-line, the safeties, and frankly, the coach. If you made a list of 20 problems with the Bucs, kicker would come in around #13 on biggest problems.

  11. JonBuc Says:

    This is as funny if not more so than the reports of Glennon fetching a 1st rounder before the draft.

  12. pelbuc Says:

    No one will bail out our genius GM. The best he could do is throw in Aguayo as part of a trade and the Bucs have to eat his salary. If (when) they lose to the Falcons on Thursday, Glazers need to fire GM and Mike Smith and bring in Coughlin! At least there would be no more “buddy” system and he can weed out the weak and disinterested players. This front office is clueless and the moves they actually make are horrendous!

  13. Lamarcus Says:

    Buc trooper

    Ur right I’m saying this all year long . MCCOY is overrated. With mccoy ca space u can bring in 4 to 5 more decent players. Its what we need

  14. ElioT Says:

    We’re just missing so many key every-down pieces, that trading up for a kicker was really such a waste.

    We could all see this in April/May, it’s even more glaring now.

    Needed/Still need so much help at DT, S, DE, WR, RB… it’s depressing.

    This team wasn’t a kicker away from going to the playoffs, I think Lichtmyballs outsmarted himself. He got cocky from the 2015 draft and f**ked up this year.

    Still trying to figure out what the hell they saw in Ryan Smith either…


  15. Tampa Tony Says:

    I love it when the Joes are unintentionally funny

  16. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I imagine Raiders fans wanted their 15 year kicker cut or traded during HIS rookie year too. If they had gotten their way, they would have been out an amazing kicker for a decade and a half.

    I noticed something during the Aguayo kicks this week…I was watching carefully, and I decided to go back and look at his kicks in previous games…they all had the same thing.

    Most kickers keep their eyes mobile between the place they kick the ball and the goal posts as they approach the kick.

    What I noticed is that Aguayo looks at the goal posts when he’s getting into position to start the play, but after that he focuses totally on where the foot meets the ball. He doesn’t keep his eyes mobile between kick and target. He focuses right there on that spot on the ground.

    In other words, he ignores the target once the play starts until after he kicks.

    So I looked a little more closely.

    In all the kicks he has missed, the holder was just a touch slow in catching the ball, turning it and getting it into position. Now, with an experienced kicker, it probably would not matter. An experienced kicker understands he has to trust that the ball will be where it has to be, be positioned right.

    And experienced kicker knows it isn’t his job to worry about ball placement on the ground, but rather ball placement in hte air.

    Aguayo isn’t trusting his holder. Go back and watch all of his kicks. The kicks he makes are the kicks where he trusts the holds and the kicks he misses are the kicks where he locks in on the ball too much, ignoring the uprights.

    I’m not expert on the topic, but it seems clear to me. This means he can still be good if two conditions are met:

    A good holder

    He trusts the holder and focuses on the target a little more.

  17. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    And those are things that come with experience.

    So I say…KEEP HIM.

    Even though it will be painful and stressful to watch this year.

  18. NJBucsFan Says:

    Won’t happen.

    Need to trade Verner or Banks for a RB. I’d be on the phone with Dallas. I’m sure we can get Morris or Jones. I’d rather have Morris

  19. 813bucboi Says:

    @buctrooper…I agree….package gmc, roberto, banks and verner for a wr and de….GO BUCS!!!!

  20. DallasBuc Says:

    Give me a break. No one wants a Jason Licht draft lemon. This whole conversation is absurd and cleverly attempts to brighten his rapidly deteriorating image. Nonsense talk is all this is.

  21. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I also know most here are still mad and will not agree with me at all. Just go back and watch his kicks and see if you see the same pattern.

  22. celly Says:

    I’m all for keeping Aguayo. Make him kick through it.

    They were just talking about how Sebas was 50% on the year his rookie year. Chucky even talked about how he was ready to cut him.

    He’s a rookie. He’ll be ok (hopefully). I will say, though, that this offseason, there needs to be another body in camp with him. He had the benefit of being “babied” his first year, since he was a high draft pick.

    Next year, though, he needs to understand that his leash is short and can and will be yanked if he under performs.

  23. evolvingBucfan Says:

    watch this kid go to another team and be their star kicker…lol….story of most former bucs players, wont list them cause we all know them and their stories.

    but i do beleive this kid needs compeition or a back up so we can bench his ass till he gets his f*cking head right and in the game.

  24. BucinJAX Says:

    per, 71 extra points were missed in 2015. The completion rate was barely over 94%. These are way down from previous recent years. Extra points are no longer automatic. Some kickers have even complained that the longer extra points are hurt their success on regular field goals. While 94% is still significant is it really fair to act like no one else ever misses any?

  25. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    jvato24 Says
    “Quick question, How is Gaines Adams such a bust when he had 12.5 sacks in first 2 seasons ????”

    Saying it like that makes it sound like he had 12.5 sacks in EACH of his first two seasons.

    He didn’t. He had 6 in year 1 and 6.5 in year 2.

    But you are looking at stats…what you don’t seem to remember is that he became so bad that he lost the starting job and then did absolutely horrible his following year, got injured…which is why he was traded.

    That man was a total bust. He had zero drive. It’s unfortunate that he died, but let’s not rewrite history because of it.

  26. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    All I know is a hall of fame kicker taken in the first round missed two field goals in the same game.

  27. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:


    I agree completely.

    I wouldn’t be opposed to using a roster spot next year to keep an extra kicker for the first few games though…just in case.

  28. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Also…benching him is a horrible idea. He has to stay under pressure and work through this…otherwise we may have the same issues next year.

  29. BucinJAX Says:

    BTW the Seahawks and the Vikings extra point completion rates are both 84.6% while the Bucs are at 86.7%. While frustrating the kid’s doing okay at PATs.

  30. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    It’s not like we’re going to the playoffs this year.

    While I feel we are close to being a playoff team, I think we should be happy if we just start competing well in games and building toward being a playoff team next year…after one more draft.

    But I swear…if the Bucs fire Koetter this off season, I’m quitting as a Bucs fan. Constant turnover is the main reason this team is taking so long to improve. Every year or two a new vision of the team is implemented and new players are needed.

  31. Jerry Tidwell Says:

    Janikowski drafted from FSU by Raiders did not have such a great year in 2000. 32 attempts 22 made. 69%.

  32. Dr A Says:

    We wouldn’t even be able to get a 3rd round pick in the CFL draft for him.

  33. MadMax Says:

    @lightning, EXACTLY!!

    “My god, all the uproar over a kicker. He ain’t very good, but this just in – neither is our QB, the Rbs that are left, most of the WRs, the D-line, the safeties, and frankly, the coach. If you made a list of 20 problems with the Bucs, kicker would come in around #13 on biggest problems.”

    Yep, they’re looking in the wrong direction for a scapegoat and refusing to look at the elephants in the room.

  34. Joseph Mamma Says:

    Kickers aren’t developmental projects and a QB’s accuracy never gets markedly better in the NFL so we are screwed on both counts.

  35. Seminole Bill Says:

    The fact that Aguayo was a second round pick is meaningless, in that it is a “sunk cost”. A sunk cost cannot be recovered by looking backward, only by what you can do to mitigate that cost going forward. So the decision should be, is Aguayo worth more to the Bucs as a kicker or as a trade bait? The natural answer is, as a kicker. Who would pay for someone who has been, so far, a bust? Forget about trading him. So, we need a placekicker, and there appears no one else available who would be better than what we have. We’re stuck.

  36. MadMax Says:

    Im with ya Bonzai!! The coaches only have so much to work with when its the player talent limiting things.

  37. DallasBuc Says:

    If he wasn’t an expensive bad decision we wouldn’t even be talking about this because an actual NFL competent kicker would be on this roster kicking and AguaOh,no would be bagging groceries at Publix. But no, we have to keep this bum on our roster in an attempt to save the fragile and fevered ego of our idiot wannabe savant GM. It’s not about AguaOh,no anymore…it’s all about Licht’s rapidly deteriorating reputation.

  38. Shane Says:

    I don’t see how Agauyo affected the game yesterday. Can we trade away the defense?

  39. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    The bucs are a 6-10, 7-9 team and that is a stretch with the lack of talent licht as thrown over on the defensive side and at WR this year…so keep the kicker and hope he gets over this crap….

  40. BucinJAX Says:

    Bonsai, how are you watching the games to be able to see the kickers eyes?

  41. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Don’t forget, so far as Jameis is concerned…we have Evans and Humphries. No great Tight End (we have an average one in Brate, but he’s young, might get better and Stocker is a complete joke).

    So long as a WR isn’t slow, excessive speed isn’t the most important thing…good hands and willing to fight for a ball are.

    Cicil Shorts, for example, sucks.

  42. DallasBuc Says:

    MadMax- the GM is solely responsible for acquiring and assembling the talent on your football team. Just saying…

  43. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:


    I have downloaded video files of all the games. The angles of the cameras make it obvious. If you DVRed any of the games, go back and look. Because hte goal posts are high and the kicking spot so low, you can easily tell when a kicker is focused on one or the other or both.

  44. DB55 Says:

    Smh. You guys are really funny. Always expecting rookies to play like pro bowler yet you are perfectly ok with your pro bowler playing like a rookie.

  45. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    BucinJAX, I responded but in moderation.

  46. BucinJAX Says:

    Bonsai, thanks. No DVR now. Trying to remember the way games are shown. (Not so easy for us OLD farts.) So you’re watching the back of his head, not his eyes?

  47. Youngbucs Says:

    I agree McCoy is not that good Akeem spence gets off doubles better lol

  48. Mort Says:

    He is a rookie, give him some developmental time. One more off-season.

  49. buccfan305 Says:

    If they find a Muthaf#@ker dumb enough to trade for Aguayo, please send them my way ASAP….I got some swapland in Florida for sale.

  50. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    @ jvato24
    Jaquizz smith. Had like 16 sacks first 2 years here

  51. celly Says:

    Here’s how i know Bucs fans are the worst.

    After a win, everything is all sunshine and roses and we’re going to the superbowl and we’re the greatest team ever.

    After a loss, everybody sucks, nobody makes plays, fire everyone and start over.

  52. Warrenfb12 Says:

    Any GM who makes that trade should not be an NFL GM. Honestly, no NFL GM should take a kicker in the second round. I might make a lot of mistakes as GM, but picking a kicker in round 2 wouldn’t not be one of them.

  53. LocalJoker Says:

    Chicken dinner and a BJ. That’s about it!

  54. buccfan305 Says:


    I agree, but that’s just reaction to how the team played. @49 4 takeaways played all around good football

    Raiders game

    They couldn’t give us the game if they tried….LITERALLY!!!!

  55. MadMax Says:

    I know Dallas, feeling you man. He’s made some very stupid decisions! The thing is where we go from here will keep some of us or lose some of us. We’re a screwed up team right now with holes everywhere. When its obvious those of us as fans can see the problems and the GM cant, then its time for the GM to go, agreed! I just hope we dont fire the Coach because thats the last thing needed.

  56. 911bucs Says:

    I totally agree that the extra point being moved back has made field goals tougher, gets in their head when they miss the extra point making longer kicks more difficult. Kind like the golf reference that st Pete used, it’s good to practice 2-3 foot putts to get some confidence so when you are standing over that 10 footer for par you can see the ball drop. If you just go out and practice 5 footers all day you’ll likely miss a lot more putts and your confidence may not be there over the 10 footer. It would benefit Roberto to sign another veteran kicker to mentor him the rest of the season and help him with his mechanics and visualization.

  57. mhall085 Says:

    I got news for Bucs fans: the perfect kicker doesn’t exist.

    Yesterday, I watched a potential HOF-er, the guy who owns the NFL record for most 50-yard+ FGs, missed TWO. Blame the wind if you want, and it may even be a legit excuse… but that is why Janikowski is still there. He is there for those moments. And he blew it. Twice.

    A week ago, two kickers missed back-to-back chip shots to win.

    Kickers are worthless. You aren’t getting perfection, no matter who it is.

  58. Pit Says:

    Trade GMC and Verner for safety and WR

  59. mike10 Says:

    I’m not seeing anyone really holding Licht accountable for ALL OF the bad moves he’s made since being here.

    I hold him at fault more than anyone on this staff.

  60. buccfan305 Says:


    They may not be perferct nyt you have some that miss kicks few and far in between

    Anybody remember Matt Bryant. Wi der when we lwt him walk for no reason. I here he’s doing pretty good in Atlanta. Wonder when’s the last time he missed a kick?

  61. BucinJAX Says:

    mhall085, kickers worthless? That’s why every business in this multi-billion dollar sport has them. Worthless? I’ll just put your comment in that category – worthless.

  62. Jeagan1999 Says:

    Joe Says: “Jason Licht doesn’t even seem to think Aguayo would benefit from old fashioned competition. Aguayo was a lone wolf in training camp and there is no kicker on the practice squad.”

    To me, this is the larger sin…not that he took a chance on moving up for the guy in the first place! Trust must be EARNED and competition is good for EVERYONE, becuae it breeds ACCOUNTABILITY! Aguayo has not EARNED our trust, and since he has no competition, there is no ACCOUNTABILITY!

    EVERONE “whiffs” on a prospect at least once! But the great ones never give trust without accountability! Bring in another kicker today, and see if the kid can EARN trust and learn ACCOUNTABILITY!

  63. DB55 Says:


    Matt Bryant missed a FG last week vs San Diego. Falcons lost 33-30.

  64. Pit Says:

    But the issue is the GM will make bad moves. Important is to make more good then bad. Thats what you don’t understand and that’s why the GM needs time to prove themselves.

  65. Knucknbuc Says:

    Lol getting a 3rd round pick 4 the worse kicker in the nfl?!? Lmao thats dreaming at best

  66. Not there yet Says:

    This is literally the worst comparison you could make. At least Adams was a starter and played D line and played a lot of snaps. Roberto is a special teams player. A kicker who is inaccurate so there’s no way to disguise that wow come on guys really? That was as bad as that garbage game yesterday

  67. buccfan305 Says:


    OK umma shut up

  68. Chris Says:

    Screw you FSU fans and your defense of a bad bad pick. He traded two draft picks to move into the second round! He missed it badly. Not it went a little wide left/ right. He missed it like my ten year old daughter hit it. This is the problem with you homer Seminole fans. All the excuses in the world for your boys, but a microscope on everyone else. Winston….. bad….. Testeverde type overthrows, desire looks gone. Agauyo, mentally weak, inspecting the grass before the game…. McCoy, Ice Cream Man, needs the cryo after a 1 tackle near Van Brocklin ,,,LVD…. soft, weak. GM without a clue, it’s a miracle we’re 3-4. I think maybe some of the things that plagued JFreeman in Tampa might be affecting members of our team now. How else do you explain , no fire and 3-16 at home? Maybe they’re all high and hungover from the Tampa nightlife.

  69. Chris Says:

    Laughable DB, comparing Aguayo to Bryant is like ooooh I don’t know, comparing Sapp to McCoy or LVD to Brooks.

  70. DB55 Says:


    Not sure what you’re talking about. Buc305 asked when’s the last time Bryant missed a FG so I told him. But plz carry-on.

  71. passthebuc Says:

    @Mad Max

    Please stop with the use of logic when posting.

  72. Bob in valrico Says:

    bad picks come from as far away as Washington,See ASJ talent or potential don’t always don’t always meet expectations.And the lack of talent started with Bruce Allen and Dominique.Did you happen to notice Ayers didn’t have much of an effect either,every blitz attempt was routinely handled except one.Why
    because Oakland max protected their QB with six or seven lineman.With an already huge offensive line
    Iwould say that would be a huge advantage.

  73. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    Bonzai..your post on the kicks is on the other Bucs might want to chime in over there..

    How about we trade Aguayo for Amari Cooper? Give Aguayo to Jan and the Raiders, Jan can mold and fix him, pals in spirit as FSU boys..he will eventually be the replacement of course..

    Sounds like a win win..(sarcasm implied)..or maybe not!

  74. SOEbuc Says:

    I dont care if you can or can’t get any picks for him, they still need to bring someone in off the street cus there is no way they could be any worse than this guy.

  75. mike n Says:

    @joe… did you start drinking at 9am today? No one is going to give us any more than a conditional 7th round pick for our kicker. Gm’s don’t use picks on kickers. and now that our kicker has shown he can’t hack it… jimminy Xmas. I’m sure he will turn it around and be an averag nfl kicker like say mike nugent, but it likely won’t be with us and it sure as hell won’t be with compensation for the bucs.

  76. Bob in valrico Says:

    Interesting Bonzai.Only question I have is the problem the long snapper or the holder.Cobraboy also noticed problems in mechanics. I am withholding
    judgement on this pick until next year.

  77. lightningbuc Says:

    mike n said:
    Gm’s don’t use picks on kickers.


    Guess you’ve never heard of Jason Licht.

  78. lightningbuc Says:

    mike n said:
    Gm’s don’t use picks on kickers.


    Well, all except the Bucs GM.

  79. lightningbuc Says:

    I put Ja son Lic ht in a comment, and it is being moderated. Is that now a no-no?

  80. Jameisbucsfan Says:

    Joe I don’t like these articles at all, your negativity makes me frequent other sites more often.

  81. Tom G Says:

    We have a 2nd round pic invested in him but he is liability right now. I say send him to the practice squad for a whole lot of practice -which clearly he needs- and go get another Kicker for at least the rest of this season.

  82. Tom S. Says:

    GM Joe is at it again!

    Without the slightest clue of what a draft pick is or is valued at Joe proposes trading a colossal bust for a premium pick. Please, Joe, please go to someone in the NFL and ask them if they think Licht can get a 3rd round pick for Aguayo. Then time the laughter. If the laughter subsides in less than 15 seconds I owe Joe a beer. Maybe a nice Licht Ale.

    Augayo is not only not a good kicker, not an average kicker, he is literally the worst kicker the NFL. The Bucs are the worst FG kicking team in the league by 12%. With 58.3% of FG’s made, the next worst team is Pit with 70%. Why would ANYONE trade a pick, let alone a high pick to get significantly worse at a position that they have a better performer at when the position itself is usually free?

  83. Another J Says:

    We’d be lucky to get a 3rd day pick for him, The NFL would have to bring back the third day first…

  84. BUC IT Says:

    a 3rd round pick joe????? hahahahahaha. Dude wouldn’t be drafted in the 5th round now. He is garbage. Any kicker we have needs to be hitting at least 3 out of 4. This guy is garbage. One more bad kick over the next couple games and he needs to be cut.

  85. Issic Haggins Says:

    The biggest heist of all time in the entire NFL that was never even recognized or talked about was Harold Bishop!!
    Now on to the Kicker , he could be put on the practice squad and no one would pick him up , no body !!!

  86. scott Says:

    Bruce Allen made that trade. His only good one. What does it matter. It all adds up to this disaster.

  87. Tina Brandon Says:

    Give the kid some time he did a hell of a job for us at FSU. Now we have his brother Ricky!

  88. Lee Watson Says:

    Honestly, not once did I ever curse out Aguayo while he was at FSU. Now Is a different story. I have to fast forward through his kicks now because my blood pressure reaches dangerous levels. I had sympathy for that kid until this last game. All faith in this mofo is lost.

    Fans have enough to worry about every game and a PAT should NEVER be on that list.

  89. Tom S. Says:

    Well Lee, clearly you didn’t see the FSU GTech game last year. I promise you, you would have cursed his blocked kick right then and there. He hit 80% of his kicks last year. In college. Barth hit a better number in the pros last year. Barth is better this year as well. The writing was on the wall. But “smartest guy in the room” Jason Licht couldn’t read unfortunately.