Have Your Say

November 10th, 2015

50 Responses to “Have Your Say”

  1. The Buc Realist Says:

    The Triumphant Return of the Lovie Poll!!!!!!!! Yesssssss!!!!!

    thx joe!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. Newbucsfan Says:

    Why do I even write stuff on here? I MEAN WHO IS GONNA TURN THIS SHIP AROUND IMMEDIATELY, WHO?

  3. tmaxcon Says:


    the only thing that will fix the bucs is for ownership to realize they need a real football executive to run the football side of the team. Let that football executive get rid of Lovie and hire a competent staff. Until that happens its just going to be the same ole same ole bottom feeder bucs wtih nothing but excuses.

  4. Steve Says:

    Let’s face it, all three of our wins were luck and were the result of jameis’ play. The only game we have looked solid in, we lost thanks to terrible coaching decisions. Personally, i think lovie is saddled with too kuch on his plate. He is a head coach and needs to be just a head coach; not a DC and HC, certainly not a GM as well. While it’s not quite time for us to call for lovie’s job, if we don’t have 4 wins by week 14, I think Kotter should take over HC duties to give him a quarter of a season to show what he can do.

  5. BucFanForever Says:

    Trade the next 3 drafts for Bill Belichick.

  6. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    This is just for Lovie, not Licht, right?

  7. bucrightoff Says:

    Newbucsfan Says:
    November 10th, 2015 at 10:56 am
    Why do I even write stuff on here? I MEAN WHO IS GONNA TURN THIS SHIP AROUND IMMEDIATELY, WHO?

    Look at Lovie’s very long NFL history. What makes you think he’s the guy to make us a consistent winner? His track record strongly suggests at his peak we’ll see the playoffs once every 3-4 years. Sorry but that’s just not good enough.

  8. Wes Says:

    After that gut wrenching loss to the Redskins I was ready to call for Lovie’s head. I had had enough, the lack of confidence in Jameis and the utmost confidence in the defense infuriated me. That being said, I saw fire in Lovie against the giants and I loved his 4th down call the week before and handing Jameis the keys in over time. I have restored my faith in Lovie and love seeing these players getting benched right now while he looks for a successful formula

  9. Espo Says:

    Anyone who blames Sunday’s loss on Lovie is a complete jackhole. I challenge you to explain how it’s his fault. I’ll give you a head start. He mismanaged timeouts. He didn’t drop any passes. He didn’t commit any unforced fumbles. He didn’t have any selfish penalties that could’ve gotten us off the field. I’m losing faith as well but still have some. Look at who is actually responsible instead of using a cover all blanket scapegoat.

  10. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Lovie is a horrible head coach but maybe someone could find out, but maybe the defensive staff or even glennon himself, lent information at what the giants qb coach may be creating in the gameday development against the bucs, hopefully something along those lines came about in game planning….i hope but lovie needs to go trade him and GMC somewhere

  11. Getaclue Says:

    Actually as much as I’ve been down on lovie, I feel good about him after the last two weeks. I have less confidence in the players, namely the ones getting paid on defense. Lovie has shown a lil more fire and is holding guys accountable more

  12. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Funny how you wait to take this poll until after a loss…Of course it will be overwhelmingly negative.

  13. Getaclue Says:

    Penalties is not bad coaching it’s stupid players and it’s the same players regardless the coach. This system needs smart players, we have drafted well the last two years I expect a lot of turnover on defense and nobody is safe

  14. The Buc Realist Says:


    lovie smith is the head coach, any poll done after any game is most likely will be following a loss!!!!!

  15. bucrightoff Says:

    Bonzia, would this poll really be any different if it were taken after the Atlanta game? Probably not, that wasn’t some statement, dominant win, most fans readily acknowledge Atlanta gets more credit for that win than the Bucs do. Right now is of course the midway point of the season, an ideal, non-biased time to have this poll. Would it better to wait until after Sunday to see if another backup QB can have his way with the Lovie defense?

  16. Espo Says:

    I think the poll would be different. Just look at how fans come and go. See the tone of comments on this site? Remember the comments about wearing Bucs gear after a loss? People can’t do this objectively. I’m a homer, so it’s hardfor me to say my coach isn’t getting it done. It would take an outsider to give an objective opinion, but when training camp ends there aren’t many educated analysts spending extended time around us.

  17. 813bucboi Says:

    I have faith in lovie and the plan that he and licht have put together has worked…the next 2 draft will be all defense with maybe 1 or 2 offensive players…we’re in good shape for the future…GO BUCS!!!

  18. SteveK Says:

    5-22 as head coach removed my confidence.

    Schiano from Rutgers was held to
    A much higher standard, yet everyone runs him out of town.

    Locke has sucked compared to his predecessor. Why does Lovie Snith get a flipping pass? Bull spit!

  19. Buccfan37 Says:

    Throw me a vote for little confidence. I tried to vote but got the message choose a vote twice after I already picked one and submitted. I’ll try again.

  20. Macabee Says:

    First let me say that I am no Lovie Smith apologist. I could give a rat’s about Lovie or any other coach that loses. Having said that, I’m not one given to cutting off my nose to spite my face either.

    Firing Lovie now is not going to fix anything – may satisfy your anger, but does nothing to make players play better. The ship is sinking and many are looking for the captain (Lovie) to throttle him, when all attention should be focused on saving the passengers (Winston and the team).

    Lovie will be dealt with in time if he keeps losing – all losing coaches are. But think of the alternatives. Dirk Koetter is not going to replace Lovie. We got Koetter the same way we got Lovie – dumped from a losing team – the Falcons, when administrations changed. He is not on the list of names that come up for NFL HC interviews. Google is your friend and has lots of reasons why he was let go in Atlanta. Look no further than our red zone woes and in game adjustments. Lovie is not calling the offensive plays and Koetter has admitted as much.


    Then think of who will hire the next coach – the same owners that hired Lovie and the last two losing coaches. Do you feel completely comfortable that the rocket scientists upstairs will get it right this time? Here’s a question for you football statisticians: Who was the last HC hired that kept the incumbent OC? Doesn’t happen, does it? What happens to Winston’s learning curve if he gets a new OC, new scheme, new playbook? What happens to Winston if the next HC prefers a Mariota-type QB? Is there any guarantee that we won’t repeat the Schiano/Freeman/Glennon saga? No owner is going to force a new coach to take any player. See the Redskins or I would understand if you prefer not!

    Besides those worst case scenarios, I’ve been all over the Interwebs and I can’t find Lovie on anybody’s hot seat except Scott Reynolds of Pewter Report and he didn’t feel that way when Lovie was hired – thought he would take us back to the Dungy years. Nobody’s perfect and nobody gets it right all the time – not even Lovie!

    On Winston’s progress alone and the desire to maintain it, I will lay you 10 to 1 that Lovie gets another year. The first two drafts were dedicated to the offense and it shows. Let’s have a defensive draft in 2016, then revisit the Lovie Legacy!

  21. NashvilleBuc Says:

    The results are much better than I predicted. With all the negativity in the comments on this site I thought there’d be no votes for confidence let alone totally confident.

    For me, I find it hard to forgive the head coach for all the procedural and personal foul penalties. A coach is responsible for discipline and this is not a well disciplined team. That said, if he fixes those penalties, and we get a few more wins, then I find it hard to make a case for firing him.

  22. Buccfan37 Says:

    Third time worked. Nice timing for the poll after half the season played. Over 65% had little or no confidence in Lovie’s job so far. Lovie apologists your outnumbered 2 to 1. These numbers will stick at least until the next game is played. I’d like to see the approval numbers go up but that takes winning, a rare occurrence hereabouts.

  23. Tampa Tony Says:

    Glad the smart fans are voting mostly in the no confidence or little confidence options. Keep the poll going joe!!!

  24. WalkdaPlank Says:

    “lovie smith is the head coach, any poll done after any game is most likely will be following a loss!!!!!”

    lmao Realist!

  25. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Now you have John Fox winning witha really crappy team…so fox, quinn, bowles, del rio are able to get the job done where previosu regimes failed and they are doing it immediately

  26. WalkdaPlank Says:

    @Dusthty Rhothdes

    Exactly, and yet I’m sure guys like Bonzai, Jab, and OneLovie have “total confidence” in 5-19 Lovie Smith.

  27. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    bucs are looking at 6-10 record maybe, this game will be telling you have matt cassel going against a lovie defense and we all know how well rookie and journeymen QBs do against the Lovie Dovie 2

  28. 813bucboi Says:

    @dusthty Rhothdes…LOL..the bears are still trash and Quinn and bowles took over teams that had rich talent on at least one side of the ball…del rio had a couple of cornerstone pieces to build around with carr and mack and some very capable vets in woodson and tuck…lovie unfortunately wasnt so blessed when he took over the bucs…the bears,falcons and raiders already had a franchise qb when their new coach was hired..lovie had to tank and draft one…jets already had an elite defense…in my cris carter voice,”COME ON MAN!!”…GO BUCS!!!

  29. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    As most of you know, I called for a Lovie Poll before the season started so we could have a benchmark….starting point to track…..it wasn’t done.
    I suspect that Lovie’s confidence was higher then because of the draft (Jameis) and Koetter….and even some FA pickups…..

    I have little confidence in Lovie but the problem is I have even less in the Glazers…..be very careful what you wish for.
    We fired Gruden, Morris, Schiano…..and what has all of that accomplished…..

    At least we appear to have a couple of good drafts behind us and are showing some progress with the offense.

    Our best option is to hang in there a bit longer and hope that Lovie turns this around. Calling for him to be fired at this point is a futile exercise that may make you feel better…..but it not….and I can’t repeat this enough….NOT going to happen!!!

  30. Elle Says:

    I proudly voted “no confidence”. I’m not surprised to see quite a bit of people still hoping that Lovie can turn it around. This team is still a work in progress. I’m all for giving time to a coach, three/four years to rebuild and develop. But it has to be a coach who knows what he’s doing. Sorry, folks, I’m still convinced that Lovie Smith has lost the plot and he has to go.

    And Joe, thanks for getting rid of those pesky trolls using multiple usernames. You should interact with your audience more, if you ask me. We want more polls! And a weekly “Ask Joe” column would be awesome as well.

  31. Trubucfan22 Says:

    There are more “confident” fans than “no confidence”. Gotta admit i wasn’t exactly sure where i stand. I decided to say confident. Truth is i dont want to see lovie leave after this season. It’s just too early for me. Im surpised by the results of the poll so far. We are staying behind lovie even though a small faction (20% of fans) are trying to run lovie out of town. Actions have consequences. You might not always like what u wish for.

  32. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    813 are you serious about franchise QB? ill give you atlanta but def not the others… hey man its american society to accept mediocrity and be happy getting participation ribbons and keep nice guys around because the mean ones (schiano, saban, belichek) make ppl work hard demand accountability and success but you all keep supporting Lovie and the GMC attitude and maybe next year we will win 7 whole games, I have my fingers crossed

  33. Buccfan37 Says:

    No confidence votes will be tough to find confidence. Mind made up. Little confidence is better because it is more realistic.

  34. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Macabee

    I agree…..stay the course…..fix the defense through the draft….let Koetter keep doing his thing.
    As soon as Lovie realizes that the key to the Bucs lies with Winston….he will start making game decisions that let Jameis do his thing!!!

    I really don’t want to see another coaching change just yet….

  35. Tiger team Says:

    I’ll give him one more draft. We need some strong defensive players.

  36. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Schiano from Rutgers was held to
    A much higher standard, yet everyone runs him out of town.

    He lost the locker room. He lacked respect for professionals. He was NOT going to win here. That is a totally separate issue from Lovie however.


    Now you have John Fox winning witha really crappy team…so fox, quinn, bowles, del rio are able to get the job done

    Actually John Fox has the same record as Lovie at 3-5. Del Rio is a LOSING coach still three games under .500 even though he’s achieved .500 with the Raiders. Quinn’s record is still half baked…let’s see how he does the second half of the year…and remember he lost to the freaking Bucs at home. Verdict still out on Quinn although I suspect he’ll do a find job.

    Here’s my take. Out of town last week had to read USA Today. Christine Brennan makes my point. This is more about parity and the state of the league than the quality of the coaches. There are maybe a half dozen really good teams…we are not in that group…20 teams are medicre…we’re close to reaching that..6 teams suck…I want to believe we’ve finally climbed out that category.

    Bottom line guys is we’re all victims of the grass always being greener on the other side. In this case it really isn’t. You can count the great franchises and coaches on one hand. One of them Bill Belicheat was a LOSING coach with two different teams until he LUCKED into Tom Brady in the 6th round.

    We all have to hope that #3 is Lovie’s Brady.

    Give it up guys…great coaches do not grow on trees and they are few and far between.

  37. @Hands2theFace Says:

    If this offense can continue to get better/catch better, with Jaboo at the helm, and Koetter as OC, I see a good deal of Offensive FA’s wanting to come here and play. I want to see what kind of magic Licht can do in the draft with defense. The Alexander pick looks promising.

  38. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Hands to the Face: no one wants to come play for Lovie… unless i missed some FA signings aside from washed up chitown bears… offensively I love the progress love jameis hopefully evans rebounds love brate, coming around on sims and the OL seems to be doing better but at end of the day lovie is a long run detriment to this team, as stated above the team needs a “rich mckay” to run the organization and get the glazers hands out… foley up at UF would be great hire

  39. bucrightoff Says:

    StPeteBucsFan Says:
    November 10th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
    Give it up guys…great coaches do not grow on trees and they are few and far between.

    Give it up guys…Lovie is not a great coach. Or if you think he is, prove it. And remember, those who don’t think he is have a lot of ammo (stats and facts) to back it up. Go ahead and prove Lovie is a great coach. Best of luck.

  40. Couch Fan Says:

    So you know for a fact that Schiano was not going to win here but he won more than Lovie has and he got more out of his players regardless of those excuses you gave for him not winning here, yet for some reason you think Lovie will win while he’s shown far less as a coach. I just dont get it.

  41. Couch Fan Says:

    Schiano was also a rookie NFL head coach, there was a chance he can improves. 11+ years for Lovie shows that he already is all that he’s going to be. Again. I just dont get it.

  42. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Couch fan im with you only thing i can think of is his relationship w dungy, but dungy was winning and got stale.. this guy is not close to winning, we deserve a winner not this crap, i just do not get this love affair w this loser… what has he done positive aside from sucking so bad that we got to pick a future all pro at qb… time to hit the bricks lovie

  43. chris Says:

    Because Steven K, these fans personally like Lovie. Losing loses the locker room, do you think the Patriots have warm fuzziness for Bellichek? Schianno called out Freeman for the bust that he was and did turn into. Lovie point blank is being given a pass by the media and some fans. If Schianno screwed up half as much as Lovie you would have hung him from the billboard. The defensive leaders have regressed under him

  44. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Go ahead and prove Lovie is a great coach. Best of luck.

    I do not read many here who call Lovie a GREAT coach. It’s not up to anybody but Lovie to prove it. He’s on the cusp. His career will end up in ignominy as Belicheat’s almost did…or he’ll turn the corner and begin winning with the Bucs.

    IF he gets the Bucs to the Super Bowl he’ll be a great coach!!!

    Same is true for Fisher and Reid…two coaches with tenure about the same as Lovie and in the same position. Good records, solid coaches, but they need to put up a few more great seasons to be called great.

  45. Jonny 2.3 Says:

    Little to no confidence on Lovie. Players who were performing far better under Schiano have gotten worse in Lovie’s scheme. There is not one player outside of Banks that has gotten better under Lovie on defense.

  46. Tampa Tony Says:

    Over 65% for little to no confidence that’s what 5-19 gets loser Lovie

  47. SteveK Says:

    Thank you for the reply, Chris. I couldn’t agree more.

    Schiano is a Saint in my book. He snuffed out Freewee to be the baby back sell out of a teammate. So thankful that Jameis and Glennon are our QBs. Absolutely refreshing to have competitors and leaders with the balls in their hands instead of Freeman.

  48. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    All well voiced.

    I’m obviously in complete agreement.

    A couple years ago I coined the phrase “Chaotic Fans” here.

    I described these fans as people who believe constant chaos leads to improvement. Stability leads to failure.

    BucRealist is a perfect example of this. During every coaches tenure since Dungy, he has wanted the coach fired. Later, when it was done, he always claimed otherwise. Denial is a wonderful thing, but when you look back at his commenting history, he has only rarely had anything positive to say. It’s clear he wants constant chaos, because he is never satisfied to see stability established and let things develop.

    For years, we heard certain fans screaming that the Bucs needed to build thru free agency. While I understand the sentiment when the Bucs were not drafting well, that has changed. Since Schiano, the drafts have gotten much better.

    When Schiano was fired, I was afraid we would go back to bad drafts, but Lovie has been even better.

    Free Agency has nearly always been a thorn in our sides, except on rare occasions. We’ve either seen the Bucs wastes money, seen signings get into trouble, or seen injuries plague the signings.

    This team MUST build thru the draft. It is the only way to build a lasting success. To do that requires stability and patience. Development. Now, the chaos fans have zero patience, of course. Their fall back is to say “how much patience do we need to have?!”

    As much as it takes.

    Clearly, the constant turnover isn’t working. You guys have had your way for a decade and we have nothing to show for it. Time to give patience a shot.

    Stay with Lovie. Let him have at least 3 complete years. That’s reasonable. It’s not like hiring a new coach will actually change things. All it would do is bring in an entirely new staff, causing Winston to have a second OC and setting him back.

    I would, however, replace Frasier. Never liked that hire and I said from the start he would not do well. He hasn’t. Bring in a better T2 coach, draft defense and the team is fixed. Simple as that.

  49. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    btw…even “Little Confidence” means there is SOME confidence. So that means 78.62% still have at least some confidence in Lovie.

    Really, there should only be two choices…”Some Confidence” and “No Confidence”

  50. Capt. Tim Says:

    Thats not a poll of Bucs fans. Thats a poll of JoeBucsfans, most of whom are mentally handicapped.

    I cant believe half of these stupid bastards can drive, quite frankly.