VJax: Bucs Lack Fundamentals

October 4th, 2015
Bucs WR Vincent Jackson claims the Bucs are not fundamentally sound.

Bucs WR Vincent Jackson claims the Bucs are not fundamentally sound.

The Bucs tossed their cookies on the field of the Den of Depression this afternoon.

Uh-freaking-gen, man!

Yes, the blowhard haters will point to the four picks thrown by America’s Quarterback, Bucs signal-caller Jameis Winston, the first foursome by a Bucs quarterback since then-veteran Josh Freeman at New Orleans in December 2012.

(Yes, Freeman was nearing the end of his third year in the NFL when he threw four picks. Jameis is just four games into his career.)

But if one was to ask Bucs wide receiver Vincent Jackson, and he was asked after the game, it was not so much Jameis but the team as a whole. To be more specific, the Bucs lack fundamentals.

“We are making some very minor fundamental mistakes that are keeping us from getting over that hump,” Jackson said. “So, we have all the right personnel, I believe, in the building, to get it done. We have to go out there and execute better.

“We absolutely take responsibility for it. Those are things – it is not for a lack of effort, I guarantee you. We are workig on each and every one of those fundamentals things each and every week. When you do it at this level, you know what I mean, during the game, it is very difficult to win football games. It is very costly. Carolina, hats off to them. They took care of the football; we didn’t.”

Joe hates to blame every freaking thing on the coaching staff and Lovie Smith, but this is damning.

Sure, Jackson may have said there are constant “minor” fundamental issues. But if players know they are happening time and again, then surely the coaching staff must know.

And if those “minor” issues are not being corrected, that is just another log on the fire that tells Joe there is, for whatever reason, a disconnect between coaches and players.

Joe firmly believes Bucs coaches are teachers and whatever they are teaching isn’t sinking in.

53 Responses to “VJax: Bucs Lack Fundamentals”

  1. mdc1969 Says:

    Can’t say it enough, ownership sucks. They hire the front office who hires the coach, who asses talent.

  2. DallasBuc Says:

    Sounds like what I have been saying all week. Fundamentals. Who’s job is it to coach fundamentals? Hmmm, I wonder

  3. mdc1969 Says:


  4. Ray Rice Says:

    Plays like this only happen to garbage A$$$$ teams!


  5. Buc1987 Says:

    Joe you know you and I are l like THIS when it comes to JW.

    BUT I saw a good point made by someone earlier and I think you might want to address it.

    I think WalkDaPlank said if this was Glennon during his rookie season Joe would be bashing him all over the place for his performance. Something to that effect.

    I think he’s right, do you?

  6. Destinjohnny Says:

    Those easy training camp practices are paying off

  7. Destinjohnny Says:

    Glennon had a better rookie year with less talent

  8. Bucnut2 Says:

    Joes you guys are spinning like political folks. VJ is referring to jw fundamentals! Look Lovie, the Glazers, the defense, coaches or my grandma didn’t have 5 turn overs and cost us a win. That would Americas, soon to be Canada’s and then playing for brooks in the areana league, Jamius Winston. He just sucked today! Simple as that. Stop spinning!

  9. Bucnut2 Says:


  10. Buc1987 Says:

    Destin….so far yes he did. Then again 2 different types of QB’s. JW is a gunslinger and Glennon won’t take chances.

  11. NJBucsFan Says:

    Fundamentals = a head coach that is current with the concepts of today’s game, a QB, O-line, game plan, etc, etc, etc.

    College teams have better fundamentals and they turn their roster over ever year.

    This team and organization is a joke.

  12. Seminole Bill Says:

    The 4 picks are rookie mistakes that will be corrected over time, with experience. What I saw at RJ today was a rookie LT who could not get out of his own way. Why, oh why, go with a rookie LT when you have a rookie QB? Why did the Bucs not pay up for a veteran LT who could give 2-3 good years while Jameis was learning. We don’t need a QB and a LT who are both on the learning curve.

  13. Bucnut2 Says:

    Johnny- shame on you. You are about to get trashed by joes and the Winston mafia for telling the truth. Welcome to my world.

  14. Joe Says:

    Joes you guys are spinning like political folks. VJ is referring to jw fundamentals!

    Joe was standing right next to VJax when he said what he said and has the entire interview on file. He was quoted correctly.

  15. The Rockstar Says:

    Licht/Lovie are bringing in players who have experience in Lovie Smith’s Tampa two defensive system.

    Conte, Melton, Carter all learned the tampa two from Rod Marinelli

    Smith sat Verner and played Mike Jenkins Then they raved about the Tim Jennings acquisition.

    The actions of this team illustrate they are not confident nor believe themselves to be competent teachers.

    I dont think they are competent as teachers either.

    BTW, Rod Marinelli looks to be the front runner for the next Head Coach in Tampa. But its very early.

  16. Ray Rice Says:

    FUK the talent Glennon had around him. Bottom line is he had a better coach with balls running the team. PERIOD! But all the crybaby soft a$$ MF’s wanted him gone because he was too tough. “They all wanted a players coach.” They all said they wanted to be treated like men. Then when the coach calls them out and tells them like it is in their face like a man they get upset. PU$$$$y MF’s I tell you.

  17. Bucnut2 Says:

    sSeminole bill- you and the joes must have gone to the same bs school. Last I saw our left tackle didn’t throw the bill directly into the panthers arms, didn’t miss wide open receivers, didn’t hold the ball too long and didn’t commit 5 turnovers. Wake up, Jw no longer plays in the acc. This is the NFL and he’s not up to it!

  18. Buc1987 Says:

    The Rockstar…you just hit the nail right on the damn head and every Buc fan should read what you just wrote, including Lovie’s lovers.

  19. SchlomieBarMitzvahCircumScissorStein Says:

    It’s okay, per Lovie, “they had a good week of practice.” Of course it’s not a good week of practice if it doesn’t translate to the actual game! Lol!

  20. Bucnut2 Says:

    Joes I’m sure you quoted him correctly. It’s YOUR spin away from jw that is WAY off. He’s the ONLY one who turned it inverse 5 times. Hence HIS fundamentals lost us the game!

  21. Bucnut2 Says:


  22. Bucamania Says:

    Lovie, i’m VEEEEERY DISAPPOINTED in this team you coach. You’ve managed to make almost every single player WORSE. I didn’t think that was even possible.

  23. Destinjohnny Says:

    Accuracy man and it’s hard to teach

  24. denjoe Says:

    America’s QB is Mariota

  25. Yungry Says:

    JW led the ACC in picks, and is well on his way to leading picks and pick6s in the NFL! We drafted the wrong quarterback, at least Glennon is still on the team. Glennon had a better an rating than Cam Newton last year. Jameis isn’t ready, stop forcing it

  26. This Guy Right Here Says:

    Vjax nailed it…

    Poor fundamentals = poor coaching..

    Instead of worrying about firing Lovie after 2 seasons (or 1 season and 5 games), cause we’re afraid to blow up a coaching staff… Look at Dan Quinn in ATL! 4-0 OUT THE FCUKIN GATE!

    Make the right call Glazers! We lose against Jax?? Shake this team up, Fire Lovie, and find a HC Built for this era of NFL FOOTBALL!!!

  27. Brent Says:

    All u guys quitting on jw already lmao. Your as soft as Lovie’s cover 2. 4 games damn. I mean I wanted mariota all along but 4 games. Lot of these guys were squealing like pigs to take jw.

  28. Jason Mobsby Says:

    absolute Ka Ka today!

  29. Trubucfan22 Says:

    I agree 100% with v jax. The team is soo close to being decent. Its just a couple bad plays here or there. Maybe you missed it joe, but jackson said they prepare those fundamentals in practice. So im not sure its on coaching. Lovie didnt drop an easy int at the goalline. LVD did. lovie didnt throw 4 picks. Winston did. Lovie didnt force a fumble only for it to be recovered and scored on us. The defense did. Perhaps the one thing that lovie did wrong this week… Keeping Brindza on the roster. I dont blame lovie because i agreed he deserved another shot. But that is the one thing lovie could have changed. You arent going to bench LVD. You arent going to bench Winston. Or bench Evans for dropped passes. But the players need to execute. They are the ones controling the game. They make the reads and run the plays. They arent getting it done. There is only so much coaching a coach can do. Player have to execute what is being taught. LVD obviously has butter hands. You can yell at LVD all practice but its not going to make him catch the ball any better. It’s on the players to enhance their skills on their own time. Watching hard knocks you saw Jj watt catching hundreds of balls AFTER practice. Not because he coaches told him to. Because HE wanted to. Maybe the work ethic of our players is the problem. Sure we hear about a couples guys here or there staying after and doing some stuff. But we need a team commitment. Everyone of these players needs to be better.

  30. bucrightoff Says:

    Glennon never got a fair shake from most of the fans, and Winston will get much more of a pass primarily because of where he was picked and the perception that he must be infinitely better as the #1 pick versus a third rounder. But the best player on the field today was a fifth round pick in Josh Norman.

    He may not be elite, but when you see a Joe Flacco I think he could be that good but a better decision maker. But he never got a chance to see what playing with even an average team looks like. He’s only been on teams who’ve won a total of 9 games in 36 tries. That is revolting.

  31. bucrightoff Says:

    Pardon me, I was being too generous. 7 wins in 36 tries. And people think it’s getting better? How? The results are the same, many of the issues the same. It’s why Lovie has nothing else to say anymore.

  32. Clodhopper Says:

    They must be teaching how to throw to the other team and how to miss easy as pie fgs. Cuz that is what has been learned so far on this garbage team!

  33. duke Says:

    3-17 it’s as simple as that, lovie your fired!

  34. Brent Says:

    Good pounts true bucs fan. If Lovie can win 6 I keep him that simple. However you can’t deny Lovie is 3-17 and his teams have looked like crap 4-5 times. No coach survives that..

  35. pelbuc Says:

    Ray Rice is dead on right. These players need to be treated according to their record. First, they took advantage of Raheem and quit on him, then they wanted to be treated like men and quit on Schiano and now they disconnected with the zombie Lovie. Just blow it up again and get a guy in here with balls and a GM with brains.

  36. Buc1987 Says:

    Trubucfan22 …good points man, but do you think they practice FG kicking in practice? From the looks of it they don’t or at least no ones paying attention.

  37. BrianBucs Says:

    @ Joe

    I guarsntee that “America’s Disappointment” Jameis Winston will have many more of those 4 interception games. If the guy is an interception machine in the very weak ACC, YOU KNOW IT WILL BE WORSE IN THE NFL

  38. Clodhopper Says:

    I’d argue the real true blowhard haters are were one whining about a superior qb like glennon so we could draft the turd we have coughing up the ball nowadays!

  39. Buc1987 Says:

    Brent Says:
    October 4th, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    “All u guys quitting on jw already lmao. Your as soft as Lovie’s cover 2. 4 games damn. I mean I wanted mariota all along but 4 games. Lot of these guys were squealing like pigs to take jw.”

    Exactly….then again consider the fan base…

  40. JBF Addict Says:

    Good fundamentals come from excellent preparation and constant repetition in practices. That’s where good fundamentals are born and raised. Breakdowns in fundamentals on gamedays point directly at insufficient reps, quality control coaching failures, and lack of proper focus in practice. This is purely on coaching. Well-coached teams play with discipline and outstanding fundamentals, because those things are emphasized in each and every practice and meeting, and players are held accountable for what they do during those times every bit as much as for what they do in the actual games.

  41. bucrightoff Says:

    FG kicking is like golf, it’s easy to look good on the range, much harder to execute under pressure. Brindza couldn’t last week and couldn’t this week. That 58 yarder is easy for him because there’s no pressure or expectation to make it. The easy one’s there’s tons. This team just too often not only lack fundamentals, but isn’t ready to play and consistently makes costly mistakes. Lovie is too easy on the players, but has little motivation to change as he has $16 million more coming to him no matter what.

  42. SchlomieBarMitzvahCircumScissorStein Says:

    It’s okay! It’s okay! The Buc’s are getting better! We keep being told that. Eventually, they will invent a new Super Bowl, that is based not on winning your conference,or even the Super Bowl itself, but will be based on how much better your team gets and how good your team practices each week! LOL!

  43. SchlomieBarMitzvahCircumScissorStein Says:

    Sam Wyche’s teams were beter than this! LOL! But, Love gets a pass. I wonder why???

  44. rayjay1122 Says:

    They lack fundamentals along with brains, courage and heart.Sounds like the wizard of oz.

  45. Erik with Clean Athletics Says:

    @ Joes

    I believe you guys that this is the verbatim Vjax quote 100%.

    But I also believe 100% that he was primararily addressing Jameis’ minor fundamental improvements that need to be made and also the part of the game that is possibly the most fundamental: taking care of the football. And Jameis was obviously the biggest offender in that dept.

    I’m pulling for Jameis’ with all my heart, but freakin Mariota looks REALLY polished minus a few too many sacks.

  46. Erik with Clean Athletics Says:

    He was being politically correct, professional, & honest

  47. Buccfan37 Says:

    Winston has some good points, though mostly outweighed by bad points. He could be acceptable with more higher level talent around him. He should of stayed in school, he wasn’t ready for NFL level talent. I think FSU wanted him gone because of negative publicity affecting the program. He is the Bucs starter at QB, but I’m still not convinced he has what it takes to make the team better in the short or long term.

  48. BucFan20 Says:

    Same old team. Garbage in. Garbage out.

  49. vegabuc Says:

    Seems like criticizing America’s Quarterback (Joe’s Quarterback) is taboo on this website. Hey Joe, I’m not trying to throw your boy in the Gulf of Mexico, not at all..,but that he is not living u to the expectations is a fact. Is not only him though, this team and the coaches flat out suck. Just please Joe get out of Jameis jocks, is making you look pretty bad dude.

  50. Bucs Fan Since '76 Says:

    Jameis played terrible today. And Joe wrote an article saying exactly that, but he is NOT the problem with this team. He will be a star. He’s 21. He is going to be the cornerstone of this franchise for a long time. (And hopefully Mariota will be a star as well.)

    But if the Glazers want to guarantee he fails then they should keep doing the same things over and over again, like they have since firing Gruden.

    If they had a clue they would say to themselves, “hey, Lovie and Licht blew up an offensive line that has three players still competing at a high level for other teams. They overpaid for FA’s who have failed. They drafted a franchise QB and put his life in the hands of a rookie left tackle who was projected as a third round right tackle. They are 3-17. They got rid of two successful NFL kickers for a sub-60% college rookie one. Every team in the NFL fires kickers who had a game like Brindza did in Houston, but they didn’t. Houston has won one game – beating only us – and got destroyed by a division rival, who, by the way, is undefeated, with a rookie coach, and our former president/GM running the organization. They are 3-17. Their 2014 draft was awful. They picked up five players at the final waiver deadline, which is 10% of our active roster. No other team came close. They are 3-17. All of our stars are regressing. And the one constant? Us. We need a change.”

    But, the Glazers have no clue so…

  51. IdahoBucsfan Says:

    Lovie has to go! And had Glennon had a game like this, no telling what Joe would have had to say, but I guarentee it would be what he does for winston.!

  52. Mo_Downs Says:

    Coaches coach and players play.

    Everyone was complaining about the Cover-2 but now that Lovie is calling more Man and blitzes we see that it ain’t the play called to defend the situation. It’s the boneheads on the field who forgot how to cover and tackle.

    Plus, our DB’s are SLOW to recognize the play unfolding in front of them, period. Hint: 3rd and 2 and all the WR’s are on the right? Yeah, Cam’s running, stupid..!!

    LVD got paid at the start of the season and is still picking out the color scheme for his new Bentley while he’s on the field.

    G-Mac is ALONE.

    Covering a slant is impossible for our team regardless of who is playing.

    My new motto: “STOP THE SLANT..!!”

  53. CalBucsFan Says:

    PHINS FIRE PHILBIN, PHINS FIRE PHILBIN!!!! And his recored was 24-28 in 3 years, Lovie’s is 3-17 in one and a quarter.

    Tick Tock, Tick Tock, hear that Lovie?