“Crisis” And “Epidemic” Affect Glennon
October 24th, 2015
With E.J. Manuel, Josh McCown and Kirk Cousins starting at quarterback tomorrow, that’s three QBs who aren’t as good as Mike Glennon.
A few days ago on SiriusXM NFL Radio, former Super Bowl quarterback Rich Gannon went on a long rant about how the crappy quality of backup QBs across the NFL is a true “crisis” that’s expanded into the starting ranks.
ESPN NFL insider Adam Caplan also was on NFL Radio today barking about the “epidemic” of terrible development of quarterbacks.
Caplan claimed team executives say it’s a result of college spread offenses and drastically limited practice time in the NFL ranks since the new labor agreement of 2011.
So where does that leave the Bucs and Glennon, just 10 days before the NFL trading deadline?
If the Bucs really like Glennon, then one could argue the Bucs should keep him and try to lock him up to a long-term backup contract after this season. But if Glennon is any good, then why would he want to stay in Tampa, when he could have a shot to start somewhere else?
Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Hoyer are starters, too.
If the Bucs are in the playoff hunt at the trade deadline, then Joe suspects it would take a massive offer to get Jason Licht to trade Glennon. But if Tampa Bay is stuck at 2-5, then that’s a different animal.
As Joe’s written, the Bucs should take any solid deal for Glennon.
The Bucs aren’t a Super Bowl team. Glennon’s value likely is as high as it ever will be, with his Bucs contract expiring after the 2016 season. And he’s unlikely to consider a new deal in Tampa, if Jameis Winston, America’s Quarterback, is here.
The Bucs have a third QB on the roster, which is a rarity in the career of Lovie. Ryan Griffin must be well liked, otherwise he wouldn’t be here eating up Team Glazer money and a valuable roster spot.
If Glennon is respected in NFL circles, then the Bucs should have serious contemplating in the coming days.
October 24th, 2015 at 9:40 pm
This is a Real Intriguing Subject, I Have Always Loved Glennon. Very Strong Arm with Good Mechanics, But I have Also Been Like Joe for a few yrs Now Loved Everything About Jameis and I New we would Make a Run for Him. Now Back To Glennon I am of the Belief to Hold Back a Talented player by sitting Him cause u have a Better Option is Not only Wrong But immoral. Jameis is a Big Tough Kid and is not likely to get Hurt very easy, and as Joe Pointed out if the Worst Happened and Jameis went Down we do have a Decent Backup, But those Teams Joe Mentioned do have a Few Tools to Trade for Glennon that would make a Huge impact on this Team right away. I do Believe we are only 1 or 2 tools away from a Dangerous Team, Glennon could be just the Firepower we have to make that Move, and Licht Has Proven to be pretty Good in Trades and Draft.#BucsNation
October 24th, 2015 at 9:41 pm
When you look at the backup QBs you have to concede that Glennon is at the top…..he certainly has value.
October 24th, 2015 at 10:14 pm
Trade him to Houston for Watt, Clowney, and three first rounders.
October 24th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
We have been talking about trading Glennon for some time now. We probably still will until the beginning of next season. Probably draft time. I never thought he could carry this team, but he is a quality backup. He will do good for another team that has a lot invested in its OL.
October 24th, 2015 at 10:23 pm
I hope they trade Glennon.
tickrdr
October 24th, 2015 at 10:26 pm
I hope they don’t trade Glennon.
October 24th, 2015 at 10:29 pm
Get as much as you can and sign Ponder as a back up. With any luck we will not need our back up to play and Ponder by all accounts is a decent back up and great locker room guy.
October 24th, 2015 at 10:30 pm
FSU get’s FG attempt with less than 10 seconds left blocked and returned for a TD to give Ga. Tech the win. lmao
October 24th, 2015 at 10:30 pm
Im not sure what glennon’s value is on the trade market. But if i were to guess…. Probably the most any team would give up is a 5th rounder. I really don’t see glennon as a good qb. He can be an ok back up in this league because he is smart and does have some talent. But no team is trying to acquire him to be a long term starter. The guy just doesn’t have “it”.
October 24th, 2015 at 10:32 pm
If the Bucs go 3-3. Glennon stays. It’s as simple as Lovely.
October 24th, 2015 at 10:36 pm
Yes before anyone starts ragging…I know FSU lost to GT and I’m fine with it. Gotta get it out of the way early anyways. The higher they went it would have hurt worse when Clemons rolls over them in a few weeks. I wasn’t fine with it in the 3rd though. That’s when I figured they were going to lose that game. Such a young team and hell they MISS Jameis!
October 24th, 2015 at 10:38 pm
87… If the Bucs need a win over Washington to keep Glennon then you just again spoke it into existence.
October 24th, 2015 at 10:39 pm
If I were him, I could not wait to get away from this God forsaken organization. All he has to do is look at GMC and see the future. Unless all he wants is to play for a loser and make money why stay? You think if this team keeps losing and everyone turns on Winston he will want to stay here too? Coach after coach, system after system? We already know Lovie is not the answer here.
October 24th, 2015 at 10:41 pm
As for their being a lack of quality back up qbs… There is a lack of starting qbs! There are not 32 successful qbs in this league today. If there aren’t enough starting qbs to go around, then it only makes sense the back ups are not very good either. There are at least 6 teams in need of a long term solution at qb. If any of those teams thought a back up qb was better than their starting qb, they would trade for him. If they thought he was a long term solution that qb would not be holding a clipboard. QB is the by far the hardest job to fill.
October 24th, 2015 at 10:41 pm
87… I got my jab in before you did, but it is in moderation. lmao
October 24th, 2015 at 10:45 pm
Keep Glennon, he is a quality backup that can win games. Sign him, keep him happy and to hell with the rest of the league’s QB problems.
October 24th, 2015 at 10:48 pm
@TruBcFan22:
JW3 had “it”, but he seems to have given “it” away against Tennessee and Carolina.
tickrdr
October 24th, 2015 at 11:03 pm
tickdr….is Glennon a patient of yours or something? You seem awfully bitter.lol
37…which post? Was it about FSU or was it the one that showed up about the game tomorrow? I have no fears. I’m not knocking on wood. The Bucs are going to WIN tomorrow have faith. As far as the Noles as the go. They had their run and they’ll be back it’s a young team. They might not beat the Gators, if they do it will certainly save my season anyways.
October 24th, 2015 at 11:11 pm
The USF Bulls were the only state school to get a win today, yeah over lousy SMU. That’s three undefeated teams from the AAC, Memphis, Houston and Temple. This has become a better conference than the folded Big East. Georgia Tech had a tough go losing 5 in a row prior to upsetting FSU, losing to 2 undefeated teams and 3 one loss teams. The blocked FG was a 56 yard attempt, last week Tech lost to Pitt on a 56 yard record FG. Temple vs Notre Dame next week should be a good one.
October 24th, 2015 at 11:14 pm
Oh boyee typos again. I have got to slow my typing down or proof read.
tickrdr..I forgot to tell you the other night that I also suffer from IBS related panic attacks. I take meds for them, but sometimes the attacks just come on too strong. I’m pretty sure through after lots of research that yes I was diagnosed with gastritis, but it’s also the panic attacks making me think heart attack. I’ve had that stupid illness for 3 years now and it sucks. Not too many people have ever heard of ti when I tell them about it. Even doctors surprisingly. Increased heart rate, very sweaty palms, and major shortness of breath. Couple that with gastritis and you surely think you’re having a heart attack when the panic hits. Last night was rough night and this morning too. Other than that the rest of the day has been pretty damn good. It’s just baby steps man. I’m a very impatience person (not when it comes to the Bucs though for some reason)so 3 and 1/2 weeks is just a little too long to be dealing with this crap. Oh well I’ll just keep telling myself I’ll get better and watch my diet and wait. All 170 pounds of me.
But let’s not get too much into my illness tonight, I was just giving you an update. I’ll get better, I’ve been through worse.
October 24th, 2015 at 11:17 pm
@Buc1987:
I have never met Glennon, nor do I know anything about the young man, other than he played better in his first five games in the NFL than “America’s QB”, and with much less of a supporting cast.
JW3 has been an effective “game manager” in two games. He threw for 120 yards to his running backs last game, and didn’t throw any INTs. Doug Martin was the “ground” player of the week, and Bobby Rainey was the “special teams” player of the week, so we annihilated Jax by 7 points. In other news, JW3 greatly contributed to losing to Tenn and Carolina. I have my hopes up for tomorrow.
tickrdr
October 24th, 2015 at 11:22 pm
tickrdr….they are trying to keep a leash on the next Brett Favre. So it’s only a matter of time.
Besides I was only joking…and you forgot to mention rookie of the week. How many times did Glennon win that or are you even keeping score of that?
October 24th, 2015 at 11:25 pm
Oh yeah I have every bit of faith that Glennon would have got the win against Tennesee and Carolina. (sarcsam)
October 24th, 2015 at 11:26 pm
As noted above, I have my hopes up for tomorrow.
“Rookie of the week” voted by fans on an internet web site, who could forget that.
I do sincerely hope you fell better, though.
tickrdr
October 24th, 2015 at 11:31 pm
Buc1987 Says:
October 24th, 2015 at 11:25 pm
Oh yeah I have every bit of faith that Glennon would have got the win against Tennesee and Carolina. (sarcsam)
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Well, Jameis threw more INTs in that one game against Carolina than MG8 did in his first five games combined. Add in the other three for JW3 in the first five games, and that comes to seven total. (NOT SARCASM).
BTW, have I ever mentioned that Glennon played against the #1 Defense for 2013 (the 13-3 Seahawks), and the #2 Defense (the 12-4 Panthers) in those first five games. Still had 8 TDs (ALL checkdowns admittedly ….sarcasm) against only three INTs.
tickrdr
October 24th, 2015 at 11:35 pm
Yes but you saw the Tenn and Car game. Do you really honetly think Lovely’s D was going to stop either one. I think they played a pretty big part in those losses as well. IMO
October 24th, 2015 at 11:40 pm
Especially Tenn…sure the TO’s hurt(first rookie game ever), but Lovie’s D had no answer for Mariota and the Titans in that game.
Glennon’s first rookie start with 4 games of watching from the bench first…well I don’t think you want to bring up those numbers…
October 24th, 2015 at 11:41 pm
Unfortunately, I was at BOTH the Tennessee and Carolina games (Section 234,East Club). I saw TWO “pick6’s”, and I may be wrong, but NEITHER one seemed to have anything to do with Lovie’s defense, which I agree did not impress.
tickrdr
October 24th, 2015 at 11:45 pm
Glennon’s first start ever in the NFL…
24/43 193 yards 1 TD 2 INT’s and 1 fumble lost.
No he Glennon wasn’t a 1st overall pick in the draft, but people need to cut a rookie QB some slack in his very first game. imo
October 24th, 2015 at 11:48 pm
@Buc1987:
Come on, you KNOW that I love to talk about numbers!!!
First, it was only three games before his first start against Arizona, which again BTW was the 6th rated defense for 2013, but who cares about the caliber of the opponent.
You also asked about MG8’s “Rookie of the week” honors, and I have to admit that I didn’t see much, but I did find this from Pro Football Talk:
“That run of strong play has earned Glennon honors as the NFL’s top offensive rookie for the month of November. Glennon went 62-of-88 for 785 yards, seven touchdowns and one interception while leading the Bucs to a 3-1 record. Glennon also recorded three passer ratings of 123.1 or better, which are the three highest passer ratings by rookie quarterbacks in Buccaneers history.”
Now, I will give props to Jameis for his play last week, which was the FOURTH best passer rating for a Bucs Rookie QB in history. LOL
tickrdr
October 24th, 2015 at 11:50 pm
Like I said the other day. We have a gunslinger, that’s just the way it’s going to be. Buc fans better get used to it after Koetter takes the leash off. I think he might take it off tomorrow actually.
Someday 10-12 years from now JW might catch up to Favre in total INT’s, but we’re going to win a SB with this kid so none of that will matter. I know the odds are not in his favor. Either you or LUV posted how many 1st overall QB’s have failed vs the ones that haven’t. The numbers are not in JW’s favor, but I believe.
October 24th, 2015 at 11:55 pm
Welp it’s about 10 minutes until my new bedtime. So I gotta go take my gaggle of meds for a 45 year old man going on 70. It was good chatting with you on a slow Saturday night in here. See ya tomorrow in here after the win.
October 24th, 2015 at 11:56 pm
Buc1987 Says:
October 24th, 2015 at 11:45 pm
Glennon’s first start ever in the NFL…
24/43 193 yards 1 TD 2 INT’s and 1 fumble lost.
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Not his best day, and no excuses from me.
But JW3 was not much better.
16 of 33 (48.5%) for 210 yards with 2 TDs and 2 INTs and 2 fumbles, but recovered. Both TDs in so called “garbage time”, when Mariota was already lounging on the sideline with a 42-7 lead. And that awful “pick6” to start the season. Thank God for the Messiah.
tickrdr
October 24th, 2015 at 11:57 pm
Take care, ’87, and Godspeed to you!
May God bless you and your family.
tickrdr
October 25th, 2015 at 1:41 am
Put it this way, the Buccaneers have another full year on the cheap contract with MG8. If all we can get for him is a 5th round pick, how good is he? Unless a team is willing to give up a 3rd round pick or a starting CB, WR, DE or Safety, I say keep him. I think he actually likes playing here and we may be able to re-sign him at a decent rate to be a permanent back-up to Winston.
October 25th, 2015 at 1:57 am
I can’t believe so called football fans are actually trying to argue that Glennon is better than JW.
All you have to do is watch them play. It is so blatantly obvious that JW is an NFL an with the potential to be a star and Glennon is a career back up.
Having him as s backup would be a luxury, too much crap starting out there. Personally, I’d try to trade him and a DT for a 3rd or 4th and a DB.
October 25th, 2015 at 4:36 am
Ryan Griffin is an unknown.
Glennon is a known
Jameis is, in all honesty, unproven.
Let’s get a few more games on the stat sheet before we talk about trades.
I’m anxious to see how Jameis plays against DC. With all the talk about running the ball and the injuries in the DC secondary, I’m leaning toward Koetter airing it out with play action short to mid and a few bombs to Dye.
I count screens as play action. So, this should be interesting.
I’m not looking for our injured players returning to roster status to have much to contribute, yet. To be honest, I never could understand the hoopla surrounding Akeem Spence. I think he, along with a few other players on the DL, benefit GREATLY from lining up next to McCoy.
Other than “pile-jumping” for a 1-step TD, anybody seen Joc Smith lately..??
DC has some holes along their OL so someone on the Bucs D should be racking-up TFL and sacks in the 2nd and 4th quarters, after the pain-killers wear off of DC’s walking wounded starters and 3rd string scrubs OL.
October 25th, 2015 at 6:53 am
Must not be enough need for his services cause big offer has not come, I would not want to trade a good 2nd string QB but for the right pick yo have to when we have needs..
BOGIEDR:
PONDER SUCKS !!! SUCKED IN COLLEGE AND WORSE IN PROS!!!!
FSU fan would sign anyone froom FSU.. what next Chris Rix as 3rd string.
October 25th, 2015 at 8:08 am
I know we are developing a franchise QB…..but you have to wonder how Glennon would have developed if he was played all last year and was given the better Oline and a healthy Doug Martin…not to mention Dirk Koetter….
We will never know….and that’s OK….but it’s interesting to speculate.
October 25th, 2015 at 9:12 am
Based on Lovie’s personnel moves we will release Glennon so he can start somewhere else and then trade or draft a worse backup.
October 25th, 2015 at 9:15 am
@ Dave.
I see you are in on the argument. So that make you a “SO Called Football Fan””.
October 25th, 2015 at 9:33 am
“As Joe’s written, the Bucs should take any solid deal for Glennon.” Again & Again & Again. We get it you do not find him worthy, we can do better. The savior will never ever get injured, he part Dlines with a long wave of his arms, and moves dbacks with his gaze…. come on. What happens if we jaboo gets jbroken? We go with a guy who has never even taken a live NFL snap, or go with a third year pro who has had some success in the NFL.
If we where smart, (good luck) we would sign Mr.Glennon to a second contract so we do have a able backup QB. Think Reich backing up Kelly, brady backing up Bledsoe White backing up Staubach, Young backing up Montana.. or we coyld be without a decient backup…
Didn’t you just have a post on this site about dumping a good player we once had and how wonderfully heavenly it wound now be to have that player back…. we could get bitten twice with that..
Go Bucs!
October 25th, 2015 at 10:23 am
I think it should be stated, amongst all these statements to extend Glennon’s contract, that there is another party in such negotiations i.e. Glennon himself. If a Team is negotiating for a trade to get him, all he has to do is quietly let them know he won’t sign any extension, even with them. If it just the Bucs negotiating with him, why, in hell, would he sign an extension, assuming HE thinks he’s a starter ? He can wait and spend another year under a Real O.C before moving on. Just seems like he has a lot of Power here.
October 25th, 2015 at 10:25 am
BucFan20… there are two Dave’s, there is regular football Dave and the there is Dave’s not here and has not been back, I think.
October 25th, 2015 at 10:27 am
Meant to add that such an attude could send the cost of an extension through the the roof, well beyond the worth of a Backup QB. Even for astronomical money, Ego could move hi to try for a starter gig. Everyone, at least those with a lick of heart, wants to be ‘the man’, at some point.
October 25th, 2015 at 10:28 am
him, no hi…sorry
October 25th, 2015 at 10:31 am
Final word on Jamies vs Glennon… Jamies is your starter and Glennon is your backup… The future is not MM nor is it Glennon… Its Jamies… Simple as that!
October 25th, 2015 at 10:57 am
I am a huge Glennon fan. I’ll admit it. Unfortunately, he is not going to get a chance to play as a starter for this organization unless Jameis goes down to injury or cataclysmic play. Which I would not wish on anybody.
I do hope he gets traded somewhere where he will get a legitimate chance to compete for a starting job.
October 25th, 2015 at 12:09 pm
Lol at Tickerdr – that one decent month was preceded by 5 straight losses. If you have watched all of Glennon’s games and still think he is good I don’t know what to say. So called experts sometimes say nice things about Glennon but they didn’t watch him like Buc fans did. He doesn’t turn the ball over because he doesn’t take chances. He is very inaccurate on deep balls, is dreadfully slow in terms of football speed, and just puts zero fear into opposing defenses. There is a reason no teams are trying to acquire him. Pretty sure the Bucs are going to dump him in the offseason and that is why they acquired the 3rd string QB. I am guessing that teams are hoping we just cut him so that can get him as aback up with out giving up a draft pick. If they do trade for him I’m guessing a 5th round pick will do it. Maybe a 4th if we are lucky.
October 25th, 2015 at 12:25 pm
If I had confidence that Licht could work a great deal for the Bucs, I would say trade him.
But the truth is, I don’t think he could get more than a 4th, and that would be expecting a lot.
Personally, I would insist on a 2nd rounder or a 3rd with another player (center/DE?)
October 25th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
Mike Glennon is not any good. He’s doomed to be a career backup at best. HOWEVER…
…there is a large national element that believes otherwise, even though they have only seen him play a game or so. That gives him more value than he’s worth.
October 25th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
Americas quarterback???? I dk about that. Maybe floridas. The majority of football fans I know think he s nothing but a punk who was blessed w athletic talent and no good brain to use it to its potential. Be honest w yourselves, your disappointed and don’t want to admit it. He beat a bunch of subpar teams in college so he’s the best thing to ever happen to Florida. Get real. I could go on and on about his inadequateness as a human being but you already know about that.
October 25th, 2015 at 3:39 pm
The Bucs need to get a 2nd round pick or a starting player for Glennon. Mike has made more than a full season’s worth of starts and he’s a solid game manager. He’s better than at least the bottom 7 or 8 starters in the NFL, and starting quarterbacks are a very valuable asset.