Open Thread For Healing

September 14th, 2015

jameis 0831It’s a tough morning. Joe just can’t stop shaking his head and agonizing.

Joe turned on this webpage as a hardcore Bucs fans seven years ago, and that passion hasn’t waned. So with that angst in mind, Joe presents an open thread in hopes it will help fans heal after the seal-clubbing at the hands of the Titans yesterday.

Have your say in the comments below. Joe’s going out for fresh air.

388 Responses to “Open Thread For Healing”

  1. Louis Friend Says:

    It’s going to be better for the Bucs someday. Maybe even in my lifetime. But today, right now, I can’t see it happening anytime soon.

  2. This Guy Right Here Says:

    I wanna knock Lovie the fck out for making me wait 10 months, for a game that ended before the 2nd qtr


  3. Scott Says:

    This is the hangover man. After months of daily offseason Bucs news reports reading, twitter watching, and california dreaming. We got slaughtered once again in the same fashion. We really are that bad. I am looking straight at Lovie smith now.

  4. Buc Neckid Says:

    Regardless of the A$$whooping Score
    it still ONLY counts as One game, one loss.
    Half the Teams in the NFL lost this week
    We weren’t going undefeated this year and neither will Tennessee.
    The Sun is Shining Outside and Life goes on

  5. Bucs or Gtfo Says:

    At least invented a new defense. Tampa 0! This whole organization has just been a joke since Gruden was fired. Minus the 10-6 season in 2010.

  6. Bucco Brice Says:

    I feel for ya, try to have a good day – this is the worst day in bucs history for me…drop the “americas qb” crap please, it’s annoying everyone…waiting for the bye week now when, hopefully, we have a new head coach…

  7. 77bassguitarist Says:

    @ this guy lol I’ve kinda become numb to all of it but i do understand you’re frustration. Terrible performance yesterday.

  8. The Buc Realist Says:

    My Bucs Mock Draft!!!!

    Pick#1 overall or we turn things around #2 overall

    Many say that it is A lock for the Top DE! But some are starting to say to slide the LT to guard and draft the top LT in the draft!!!

    Predictions, our Team Captain Guard Mankins will not be in the league next year!!!!

  9. bucrightoff Says:

    Biggest problems, in order

    1. The Glazer Boys
    2. Lovie Smith
    3. Jason Licht

    Cleanse those three things and we can maybe get to be a NFL franchise again. The longer they stay, the more likely this team is the London Buccaneers.

  10. Tom S. Says:

    I would just like to point out that Jameis Winston threw a pick-6 on his first NFL pass with the last QB to do that being Brett Favre. Meanwhile Mariota had a perfect QB rating with the only two other QB’s to do that their rookie year’s being Drew Bledsoe and RGIII.

    So screw you Titans, we have the next Brett Favre and you have the next RGIII! (That’s the best I could come up with)

  11. Tom T Says:

    Its hard to put into words how I felt yesterday at the game. People werent even upset or mad. It was like the crowd had nothing left in the tank. No more water for tears. No more strength left in our limbs to raise a fist. The BUCS have beaten us into submission. I am completely numb and tired of rooting for a team that simply doesnt or wont care about games on Sunday. I cant believe I waited for another entire off season, with hope mind you, for what I saw a 2-14 Titan team with a rookie QB do to us!

  12. thunderchunkyPA Says:

    I feel bad for Jameis, that kid is going to get killed. Lovie the playcaller needs to be fired, as well as the HC

  13. tmaxcon Says:

    It’s clear the players coach Lovie Smith has lost this locker room. The most telling sign was when Melton stated they did not see anything from Titans that they did not prepare for. Yet they went out and played heartless football once agin.

    The choirboy experiment has failed. Bring in talent and learn how to manage people. The world is not perfect nor are the players in this league. This organization has let go some very talented players based on the so called character concerns that went on to very successful and super bowl winner careers elsewhere. I can count on my best employee calling me for bail money twice a year for doing something stupid although I must give him credit its been a while since his last boneheaded incident. However, hat does not mean I give up on him. He makes mistakes nothing serious public intoxication or driving violations hardly fbi’s most wanted list crap that being said he is very productive and his coworkers love him. We manage his behavior and Lovie and the bucs need to learn how to do the same. The world is not perfect nor is people living in it.

    Talent and Heart can’t be coached behavoir can be! Simple as that!

  14. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I always look for the positives….

    Glennon didn’t get injured….

    ASJ can catch…

    Frazier isn’t too embarrased from losing the playcalling duties

    According to Joe…..Jameis is still “America’s QB”

  15. micronole Says:

    The truth is that since the Bucs fired Gruden, they have not recovered. If they fire Lovie, fine, but I’d like to see them keep the offensive coaches (save Warhop) in place to work with Jameis.

  16. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    Dear Mr Glazers

    Your Bucs Coaching staff and Pro Personnel department made a huge mistake in drafting Winston……

    Now……for me….and all of us loyalist Bucs supporters who were screaming to draft Mariota… now see what we’ve been seeing for years from Oregon.

    Please cut your loses now…..

    Fire the head coach and all of Pro Personnel for messing this up

    Cut your losses now………..

    Make Dirk the interim HC……..and plan for next season

    We need more time to make something sensible from our Byron Leftwich clone……and bring in someone who can actually make our defense shine again

    Yours Truly,


  17. rayjay1122 Says:

    agreed!!! I would add a 4th and 5th to your “bggest problem” list though.

    1. The Glazer Boys
    2. Lovie Smith
    3. Jason Licht
    4. Entire Offense
    5. Entire Defense

  18. DallasBuc Says:

    Joe- do you think team Glazer looks at the comments on this site? If so, I wonder if they comment too?

  19. tmaxcon Says:


    I am pretty convinced ONELOVE is actually Joel Glazer… just sayin

  20. This Guy Right Here Says:

    Lovie is KILLING CAREERS, while he’s still the HC. Some careers hes KILLING BEFORE THEY EVEN START!!

    Koetter as Interim HC

    Gruden/Marinelli in ’16!!!

  21. Scott Says:

    The interior of the line wasnt that bad. Our tackles got decimated though

  22. jb Says:

    JBF claims, “America’s Quarterback” Jameis Winston…… much for credibility from

  23. BrianBucs Says:

    America’s Quarterback is Marcus Mariots

    Those that didn’t know already are realizing this morning that the Bucs hired the wrong head coach and drafted the wrong QB

  24. Bucs_Sam Says:

    I was so excited for this season.

    I was pro Mariota all the way, but I bought in. I even went to Vegas and put money on the bucs making the Sueprbowl.


    We Clearly made the wrong call with Winston over Mariota.

    Mariota is a professional, Winston is a cocky kid who thinks INT’s are no big deal. This ain’t college kid.

    Now we are stuck with Jamies Manziell. Talent but nothing behind it. He’ll flounder for a couple years, get Lovie fired, and 3 years from now we’ll finally figure out we blew it. Blowing Kisses money signs,…. whatever. Same attitude.

    I said it before the draft, and I’ll repeat it now. We just bought 3 years of sucks. better start recruiting college freshman QB’s now….

  25. DallasBuc Says:

    OneLove is the tool bag that always talks about slapping wangs on the faces of commentors he disagrees with. Yeah, probably Joel!!

  26. ShutTheBucUp Says:

    If Lovie continues to be stubborn and refuse to adjust his defense, even while being maimed and humiliated by a 2-14 team, then he should be fired. If the Glazers don’t care enough about the team or the fans to do that, then they should sell the team to someone who does care. Jameis can clearly play, and probably will play decent once he gets some more experience and a line that can pass protect better than a group of high schoolers. But it won’t matter much when the defense can’t stop a 2-14 team.

  27. Meh Says:

    Thank you CBS for not showing this in Orlando.

  28. passthebuc Says:

    There was a lot of lazy play yesterday. The mentality of he’s not my assignment, why help goes a long way in defining the term looser. Great teams have great effort. Good teams have good effort and then there is the Buc’s no effort which translates to no good.

    Face it fans, this is not a well run organization, top down.

  29. ATLBucsFan Says:

    All the Bucs defensive players are overrated. Even the bad ones! By the way fans, Winston doesn’t play defense. Titans didn’t score 42 against Winston. He’ll learn and get better. How much and how fast is still uncertain. But that defense is plain lousy. And players love playing for Lovie but I prefer a coach that would put the fear of God in me to motivate me, even if I’m a ‘professional’ which after yesterday clearly is not the case.

  30. CC Says:

    The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are on the clock.

  31. CC Says:

    Good news. First Lightning game is next Tuesday. Go Bolts!

  32. ndog Says:

    I will admit that after being a season ticket holder since 1996 and working as a parking attendant before that and only missing one home game in that span I emailed my ticket rep this morning that I want out of my tickets for next year. I will still watch every game and love my team but I cannot donate money any longer because they certainly are not earning it. This is very sad for me as I always envisioned taking my kids to the games as they got older but going to games has turned into the most unenjoyable experience I have each week. Why would I want to subject then to that and spend a crap load of money doing it.

  33. BirdDoggers Says:

    The Glazer boys need to ask themselves where they’ve gone wrong and why the franchise is in a vortex of ineptitude. Lovie was supposed to be a coach that had his team prepared to play, if nothing else. For the game to go the way it did yesterday suggests Lovie doesn’t have a handle on this team or something else is wrong. Bad coaching, a losing culture, poor talent evaluation? Probably all of the above and then some. It all starts at the top.

  34. Bucs_Sam Says:

    Mariota and Jamis both started their NFL carreers with TD passed to TITAN players

    Enough Said.

  35. DallasBuc Says:

    When was the last time an organization allowed a head coach to keep his job after earning the #1 overall pick in the draft the year before? That says an awful lot and no one should have been surprised by what we witnessed yesterday. When we allowed idiot Lovable Lovie to make the #1 overall pick that he drove us to we deserve what we saw yesterday.

  36. Bucs Fan Since '76 Says:

    Joe, calling for Lovie’s head is neither stupid nor unreasonable. It is NOT week 1. It is week 17. The CEO of any business gets rid of people who perform this wretchedly. If it were clear that Lovie had a winning organizational plan and was executing it, and just needed more time, then of course calling for his head would be stupid. But there is no evidence to suggest that is what he’s doing. And there certainly is no evidence his plan is working or more importantly, ever will work.

    Perhaps the strongest evidence against Lovie is the performance of HIS defense yesterday. What we saw was a microcosm of how the entire organization has been functioning under his direction.

    So, if the Glazers were my client, and they asked for my advice, here is what I’d tell them: be honest with Lovie and Licht. Tell them this is unacceptable, but apologize and accept the blame. Tell them you are firing you. Tell them you are going to hire the top executive search firm in the U.S. to look for a CEO to replace you and run the organization. Tell them they will be evaluated on their performance this season, but any decision about their futures will be decided by the new CEO. Wish them well, tell them to get back to work, and then start researching that executive search firm.

    But that’s just me.

  37. Couch Fan Says:

    The Glazers are at fault for hiring Lovie in the first place but I dont think they should sell the team. I do believe they care about this team and want to win or they wouldn’t of fired the previous regimes so quickly. But I do agree that they dont know much about football in general and should hire someone who does and have him make all football decisions when it comes to hiring coaches and GMs cuz they clearly are lost and have no clue. This team has talent they just dont have anyone that can turn that talent into consistant production. I will never jump ship but damnit it sucks being so loyal to such a lost organization.

  38. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Recent history suggests that mobile QB’s like Mariota tend to come flying out of the gate. Cam, RG3, and Kaepernick all were studs immediately. On the contrast, pocket passers almost always struggle mightily out of the gate. Peyton, Luck, and Brees were bad right away. Now I’m not saying Winston is those guys, but to say he’s a bust is equally as silly, if not more. Winston certainly was horrible, but if you really thought he wasn’t going to have games like this then you’re crazy. Now I was really hoping it wouldn’t happen against a bad team like Tennessee, it did. He’s the least of our worries right now, and we have a lot of worries.

    I’m terrified about our coaching. I’ve defended these coaches, and it really appears I’ve been a fool. This is not an exaggeration, but they didn’t have a clue yesterday. We aren’t getting better. We are getting worse. Same penalties. Same lackluster defense. Same lack of adjustments. Same worthless explanations after the game. Our great players are regressing. Our supposed “perfect fits” for this system look lost. I don’t see any change in scheme. We give up 7 straight slant completions, so why not give them 7 more? Any pop warner coach would eliminate that. Hell, I’d rather them beat us with a vertical route then just keep getting a slant route over and over and over! At least that would show we are trying. Then Tennessee runs the ball the entire second half, and we can’t stop them. Poor execution, and poor effort. Their no-name RB’s are giving our player’s a piggy back play after play! Insane! Unacceptable!

    Most importantly to me, there is no sense of urgency from anyone within this organization. Don’t tell me it’s just one game Lovie! It isn’t just one game! It was a must win, and we blew it. Blowing it isn’t even strong enough of a word. Then I look on the sideline, and it looks like no one cares. I want to see people screaming at each other. I want to see a coach dropping F bombs on his players. Does anybody even care??? They look like a bunch of zombies out there, and it’s embarrassing. No passion whatsoever. The fans in the stadium had more passion than the players, and the fans weren’t even that passionate. That was a disgrace in every way possible, and I’ve never been this disappointed. I thought I would wake up feeling better, but I feel worse. The fact that the Bucs have the nerve to try to tweet stupid things like the worthless stats of ASJ just shows that they don’t have a clue. There’s no positive spin from this game. Not one. The organization should apologize to each and every one of us. The players should sign autographs for every single fan in the stadium. They should be kissing our arses as much as humanly possible.

  39. celly Says:

    Other than the total let down of the defense, my biggest frustration was starting the game off with a pass.

    We know the offensive line is MUCH better at run blocking that pass blocking, why not start them out with their strength and see how they do.

    Oh well, its just one (ugly) loss. Whether we lose by 4 or 40, it still just counts for 1 tick in the L column. In reality, we’re tied for 2nd in the league.

    Not going to get my panties in a bunch over one game.

  40. JJV Says:

    Tired , disgusted, drained, repulsed, fed up, worn out, numb another hopeless season. At this point-who cares anymore at this point. Thank goodness hockey season starts next month. Go Bolts! Joe, please change this site to Joe Bolts Fan so we can follow a real professional team that we can be proud of to represent where we live.

  41. Bobby Says:

    Let’s put this into perspective. Peyton Manning threw 28 picks his rookie year. 28!! His first six games he threw 14 picks and 6 TD’s and his highest QB rating was 66.8. His lowest rating was 39.3. I’m sure the fans were screaming he was a bust too. The team ended up going 3-13. The next year they went 13-3.
    Get a grip people. This is going to be a two year play out to watch Winston develop which I believe he will. The coaching on the other hand was atrocious. We were totally unprepared and there is really no excuse for the way the defense played. Next week will be a good indicator of what this team is made of. If it starts to snowball we could end up repeating last years record. I personally think we’ll rebound but we stunk on ice in all facets of the game yesterday.

  42. DallasBuc Says:

    The only thing that could possibly make this situation better is winning football games and that is simply the last possible reality given the incompetence in charge of leading this football team.
    Remember that Lovie was supposed to bring respectability to this football team. Nothing could be further from that notion.

  43. Joe Cool Says:

    @Bucs_Sam clearly Winston can cover DB’s and make tackles too. The QB issue should not even be a debate. This team has far worse problems than 1 player. Do people honestly think MM in a Buc uniform would have made a difference yesterday? I don’t. I think you get the same results… This is no longer MM v JW. Never was. Never has been.

  44. BigMacAttack Says:

    I can accept the loss but I can’t accept the poor coaching and terrible game planning. If we lost 20-17 that’s ok because there is at least competition on the field. This has become a team of excuses. Our D line whined the entire first half about holding. Then our LBs started crying to the refs. This team is very soft and weak. They are a reflection of soft and weak coaching. There is still some good talent in the team and it is up to the HC to bring out the best in them. Lovie is not the man for the job.

    I love how the Bucs send us after game surveys. Second question is always: Not taking into account the product on the field, did you have fun? Oh yes I go to the games to sit with Michael Jackson to eat popcorn and play fantasy on my phone.

  45. NashvilleBuc Says:

    One of the CBS announcers was trying to say that the tape would show that it was a lot closer than the score and both teams would have positives and negatives to work from. He was just getting to what Tampa might have to hang their hopes on and…

    The other announcer interjected and said “I don’t know… this is pretty bad.”

    I agree. It was the worst, most laughable performance of a professional sports team of any kind that I have ever seen.

  46. sten Says:


    He’s available and he ALWAYS plays to win. Can anyone seriously say that about the Bucs under Lovie?

    Write letters to the coach requesting Tebow be picked up before we’re 2-14 … again.

    Lovie Smith
    c/o Tampabay Buccaneers
    3202 west Dr MLK Jr blvd
    Tampa, FL

  47. tmaxcon Says:


    Well said sir. I too thought I’d feel better about it this morning but can’t shake it. I just don’t get how the so called leaders and coaching staff are not displaying any emotion or sense of urgency it’s mind boggling. I just don’t get it. Sapp, Brooks and Lynch would have been up in people’s grills and chair tossing at halftime.

  48. nick Says:

    Im over it I have gone to every game since 1991 thats when I got my drivers license, we spend big money to be pissed off all day not me anymore, Im not going back til we fire Lovie and gang, need some real football people in charge, he is 0-9 at home that is unreal, bye Lovie have a great retirement get out of tampa.

  49. Fartman Says:

    I’d like to thank Joe for ramming the clearly inferior QB down our throats in the month leading up to the draft.

  50. LJ'sDaddy Says:

    I can’t even muster a comment today. When will the ineptness of Lovie Smith stop? No preparation. No discipline. No fire. No passion. No wins. I will be very surprised if we go 2-14 this year. I really do not have any answers. I can only hold the head coach responsible. I am losing patience and strength. Today I must be careful which side I lay my telephone down on. I have an otter box on it with the Bucs logo on the back. I think I will be setting my phone down face up for a while. So embarrassing.

  51. Tampa Tony Says:

    Def not getting season tickets again. What a waste of my free time, money and energy.

  52. Posey99 Says:

    Jameis Winston is an absolute joke. He always has been. I’ve kept my mouth shut since the draft, but its rather silly when the Media start calling the fans “Haters” etc. “Best prospect since Andrew Luck” is an absolute insult to Andrew Luck. Something nobody can deny is how reckless he has always played. Form, movement in pocket, accuracy, throwing motion, decisions etc. have always been reckless… You going to compare him to Brett Farve now?… give me a break. It was an obvious decision and the Media, FSU fans and people who promoted him right into one buc calling him a savior and Americas QB all what bashing the likes of Tony Dungy and Experts. silly silly

  53. Posey99 Says:

    Fartman Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 10:41 am
    I’d like to thank Joe for ramming the clearly inferior QB down our throats in the month leading up to the draft.


  54. sten Says:

    Or write the General Manager, Jason Licht.


    Jason Licht
    c/o Tampabay Buccaneers
    3202 west Dr MLK Jr blvd
    Tampa, FL

  55. 1SadBucFan87 Says:

    All of you clowns saying we made the wrong choice at QB should be ashamed. Mariota will be brought back down to earth over the next couple of weeks. As far as Jameis goes if the OL wont block and we keep doing predictable play calling The kid wont have a chance. If Mariota was playing for us the outcome would have been the same with those play calls. Another long season is ahead folks.

  56. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    I am a Jameis Backer and I am a gator alum and the gators are my team just like th bucs……….but LOVIE YOU FACED A ROOKIE QB and YOU PUT HIS CLEATS IN CANTON….you should have blitzed..major wright, LVD whoever and de-cleated mariotta punch him right in his rookie face, get a penalty who cares but knock him on his arse and let him know it will be that way all game long….he completed dink passes in the middle…kwon alexander can hit…blitz him up the gut and knock him out take the fine take the penalty but make him know the bucs can play defense

    or dont and get beat 42-14 bya ROOKIE FIRE LOVIE NOW

  57. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    “Open Thread For Healing”


    Funny thing. A loss is always hard to swallow, but I’m actually not at all stressed.

    I knew the team would start rough. I knew the offense would take time to gel. I knew the problems at defensive end were not really addressed yet.

    When you prepare for it, and it comes, it doesn’t bother you as much. I’m completely chilled. Because I know the team we see now is not the team we will see by game nine.

    I have plenty of patience.

    If anyone is willing to listen for a change, I do have some words of encouragement.

    Game by game, the Buccaneers will steadily improve. It will start next week. No, I’m not promising a win. I’m saying the team performance will be better than this week. And then the next game will be slightly better than the last. And so on…

    …so don’t give up. It’s coming. You just had to face the likelihood that it will take a little time.

    Sure, this game was embarrassing. Not just for the fans. The players and coaches too. But the game happened. No changing that. How the team responds is what matters.

    And it will respond by steadily getting better.

  58. Jeagan1999 Says:

    Here is my simple 3 step plan to return the Bucs to competitiveness by 2016….for what it’s worth….

    1. Regime change….Lovie seems like a great guy, but it’s clear the game has either passed him by, or he has just lost the desire needed to coach (or the players just don’t want to play for him). Promote Koetter to Head Coach and let him continue to call the offense. We can’t keep bringing in new offensive systems every year, so keeping Koetter and letting him have this season to get used to being the head guy will be a huge step in the right direction. During the offseason, bring in the best young defensive assistant you can find to coach the defense…Leslie Frasier is not the long term answer.

    2. Jamies Rides The Pine….Let Winston sit and watch for half the season…or more…as Glennon leads the offense. We are so quick to rush these players into games when they are clearly not ready. Playing Glennon allows Jameis to learn without all the pressure and “America’s QB” crap hanging over him. If Glennon plays well, we might win a few games, and we will be in a position to maybe trade him for a decent draft pick later on.

    3. Draft & Free Agency….we will undoubtedly have another top 5 draft pick next year. Concentrate on the best 9-Line and D-Line players only. If the opportunity arises, trade down often and pick up more picks. In Free Agency look at young guys who have outplayed their rookie contracts and want more money than their current team is willing to give. We will pay more, but we will get experienced players who can grow together….not guys past their prime…like Mankins, or green rookies…like Marpet and Smith.

    Then in 2016 we will be ready to claw our way out of the cellar, Jameis will be more seasoned and not look like a fish out of water, and our team will at least be competitive and not look like a bunch of high schoolers!

  59. Erik with Clean Athletics Says:

    The Top 2 Winningest Coaches in Buccaneers history (who still passionately care about the Bucs) were campaigning for Mariota and we didn’t listen….. Lovie, why would you NOT listen to your Mentor???!?

    I am sick of this horrible talent evaluation.

    I’m not giving up on Winston, but passing on Mariota will end up being the Biggest Mistake in Team History.


  60. Posey99 Says:

    “All of you clowns saying we made the wrong choice at QB should be ashamed. Mariota will be brought back down to earth over the next couple of weeks. As far as Jameis goes if the OL wont block and we keep doing predictable play calling The kid wont have a chance. If Mariota was playing for us the outcome would have been the same with those play calls. Another long season is ahead folks.”

    He had time on numerous occasions to make plays. Starting from the first play. Making excuses for a sub-performance even for a rookie QB. Blaming the Offensive Coordinator now? LOL

  61. DB55 Says:

    Mariota is garbage. No more than a young josh mclown.

    Which means this defense is pitiful for lack of a better term.

  62. DB55 Says:


    Stop! Just stop! 17 games, 2 wins (barely) and 3-4 blow outs! Come on man! Just stop!

  63. Posey99 Says:

    “Erik with Clean Athletics Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 10:49 am
    The Top 2 Winningest Coaches in Buccaneers history (who still passionately care about the Bucs) were campaigning for Mariota and we didn’t listen….. Lovie, why would you NOT listen to your Mentor???!?

    I am sick of this horrible talent evaluation.

    I’m not giving up on Winston, but passing on Mariota will end up being the Biggest Mistake in Team History.


    Agree…He’s a system quarterback, remember?… That system doesn’t fly in the NFL unless its for Chip Kelly, Duh…

  64. Posey99 Says:

    “DB55 Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 10:53 am
    Mariota is garbage. No more than a young josh mclown.

    Which means this defense is pitiful for lack of a better term.”

    You are either joking or didn’t watch the game.

  65. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    DB55 100% you are right if Lovie was competent there would be improvement…there is ZERO…..if it was lovies way…then the wishbone would still be around in its basic form…but the wishbone has eveolved into the spread offense…much like the tampa 2 has eveolved….seattle, jville, atlanta, and others dont sit in that bs vanilla defense they know they dont have the books n sapps and rices of the world so they mix it up and have adapted and are doing much better than lovie who let a rookie be numerically perfect yesterday…HE HAS TO BEAT IT OUT OF TOWN N BACK TO THE BASEMENT WHERE HE IS KEEPING THE BUCS HOSTAGE AS WELL

  66. DallasBuc Says:

    Bonzai knows a thing or two about hard swallowing

  67. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    Blind FSU Alumni and Winston loyalists………including Joe

    …….will simply not admit that the bucs drafted the wrong QB

    It’s down right shameful when they cannot admit they’re wrong

  68. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    What impressed you so much about Mariota? Not to take anything away from him, but did he make any unbelievable plays? Was I watching a different game? He hit wide open guys from 4 yards away. Woopty freaking doo!!!! He had no pressure in his face, his running game was working, and our defensive play calling and adjustments were turrible. Josh McClown looked like a great QB. Derek Anderson looked spectacular. Let’s relax with anointing anyone the chosen one against our defense. Let’s see what happens against a real defense before we put him in Canton, ok?

  69. ndog Says:

    Just for all of you jameis is horrible after one game guys below is Andrew lucks first game stats. 23 of 45, 51.1 complete %, 309 yards, 1 td, and 3 ints, 1 fumble lost. Sound familiar? RELAX!

  70. @Broy3434 Says:

    Where do i start? How bout right above “making excuses EVEN FOR A ROOKIE QB. WHO THE F DO U THEN. DAMN MORONS. MARIOTA THREW THE BALL UNDER TEN YARDS AND THEY USED READ OPTIONS TO MAKE OUR AWFUL zone backers leave coverage and dinked and dunked while Winston went up against f ing Dick Lebeau the creator of defense. Jameis’ press conference is all u need. Rg3 Mariota Kap Vick cam. How’d they end up. Case rested. Who’s next oh yeah Jameis even said they didn’t pressure they did a lot of zone drops. Everyone AND THEIR GOD DAMN MOM THOUGHT LEBEAU WOULD SEND THE KITCHEN SINK. VIUSALIZE YOURSELF IN FIRST PERSON WALKING UP TO THE HUDDLE AS WINSTON THEN AS MARCUS. MARCUS SAW ONE GOD DAMN DEFENSE!!!!!! Jameis saw every look a coordinator could throw. THATS CALLED COACHING. THIS IS THE WORST DAMN DUMBEST FAN BASE ON THIS PLANET AND YOU DONT DESERVE TO EVEN ROOT FOR JAMEIS. IM SURE BRETT FAVRE’s fans said oh yeah he’s a bust/bum right away after his first pass.

    Last thing and most importantly to all the rejects saying we had 10 months to plan for Tennesee……did u know we’d be better up planning for Oregon? Cuz I swore the idea is to take a college system QB and translate him into the NFL rather than make your decision look good and use a college playbook that will be squashed by the first good defensive mind you see. If you numb skulls can’t realize ALL OF THIS IS ON LOVIE AND IM INCLUDING JAMEIS PROBLEMS YESTERDAY YOU GUYS SHOULDNT BE WATCHING FOOTBALL. AND ANTHEM YOURE THE BIGGEST LOSER IVE COME ACROSS IN 24 years. BTW IM GONNA GO BACK IN TIME LOLKING FOR COMMENTS AFTER Lucks 20+ interception seasons every year while RG3 is now lining up at SAFETY FOR CHRISSAKE. ITa a gimmick you fools. One game and it’s like saying “see colts fans we shoudve taken RG3——said NOBODY THAT HAS A CLUE WHICH NONE DO HERE. IM ASHAMED TO BE AMONGST SOME OF YOU. you girls have a good day rubbing yourself to Mariota college”cough” NFL debut highlights

  71. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Blind FSU Alumni and Winston loyalists………including Joe

    …….will simply not admit that the bucs drafted the wrong QB

    It’s down right shameful when they cannot admit they’re wrong”


    What’s shameful is you being idiotic enough to actually believe that determination can be made after one game. Stop embarrassing yourself. I’m seriously trying to help you here.

  72. Mo_Downs Says:

    My predictions for the game were as follows:

    *I thought it would rain hard and a muddy track would slow down the rush and create an advantage for both offenses.

    I was half-wrong. The Bucs Defense was on roller skates because of brain-farts all game. Let’s be clear, mental awareness is the advantage veterans bring to the game. So……it’s not the defensive scheme, it’s the “lack of execution by the vets” that is to blame.

    All over the web I’ve seen irate (12 yr old?) fans calling the “Cover-2” defense “outdated”. This is the height of football knowledge fail.

    The Bucs were in Cover-2, Cover-3, Single-High and M-2-M about equally. The point is that calling the right defense and then leaving generous gaps in the kill zone behind the LB’s was the problem with all the defensive coverages, or lack of coverage therein.

    Short Version: Coaches call plays. PLAYERS MAKE PLAYS.

    Prediction 2: You can’t beat anyone without SPEED at the WR.

    Every post-game analysis clearly states that the Bucs WR’s weren’t getting open. Why? Because VJax, et al. aren’t fast, elusive or quick. The fast, elusive and quick WR’s are on the Bucs practice squad or were cut, waived or released. BTW, Adam Humphries ain’t fast, elusive or quick. OTOH, Rannell Hall and most of the PS WR’s are.

    I don’t recall any team being successful with 5 (3WR, 1TE, 1RB) POSSESSION receivers on EVERY play. It just doesn’t create holes in the coverage.

    If you are designing a RUN HEAVY offense then the BIG, slow WR’s are perfect…BLOCKERS. You have to be committed to running 2-3 downs every possession. Otherwise, it’s too easy to cover slants and hooks with LB’s or DE’s dropping into coverage. The Titans WR’s proved my point…ALL GAME LONG.

    Mariota didn’t throw ANY deep passes for TD’s. His FAST, ELUSIVE and QUICK WR’s turned 5-7yd passes into deep TD’s. His FAST, ELUSIVE and QUICK WR’s turned 1yrd passes into G/L TD’s.

    Short Version: SPEED KILLS…!!!

    It ain’t the Cover-2, it’s the COVER SPEED..!!!

    It’s just hubris to think that you can “out muscle” defenses with big, strong and SLOW WR’s. In affect, the Bucs are playing with 4-5 TE’s on every play. Most NFL teams field pretty strong guys so the only real advantage to all that strength is in running the ball, all the time.

    There is no way to prepare Winston for not having ANYONE open to throw to. Most fans get fooled by TV coverage that doesn’t provide the wide angle view from behind the QB. That view is often called the “coach cam” view. That is the only view needed to judge Winston’s performance and the lack of performance by the receivers.

    Q) Why, EXACTLY, do you think Winston is holding the ball so long?
    A) Because “SLOW” WR’s can’t get open quickly and fast TE’s are really slow WR’s. That’s why Wright was cut.

    Go Bucs.

    “It ain’t the (scheme) arrows, it’s the (slow) Indians”

  73. passthebuc Says:

    If this is what happens when you plan for 5 months, try going into the next game with no plan. let the players use their instincts. cannot be any worse than what we have seen for 17 games.

  74. Nick3 Says:

    I feel sorry for Jameis who had a predictable rookie day with a defense that look like all rookies and yet has a good deal of talent on it. How do we keep saying we have great linebackers and yet the middle of the flield is like a playground at Kindercare? Why at some point didnt they just start dropping Lavonte and Kwan back into that area to plow those recievers running roughshod across the middle? Lovie too often is a deer in the headlights and not a quick adjuster to schemes. It must be fun to game plan against the Bucs because you know as long as its a slight wrinkle offensively nobody on our team will adjust to whatever it is. Gerald McCoy I am tired of hearing how great he is. Lavonte seems good but why is he out of position so many times when throws are made to the middle of the field????? I am not saying fire Lovie now but this was a devastating opening loss.

  75. tdtb2015 Says:

    Damning Words For


    So Joe who do you recommend for the Bucs to pick in the draft?

    High School QBs throw those kind of interceptions.
    Drafting high school prospects does not work in the NFL!

    The 2015 Bucs have earned the title AGAIN – Laughingstock III.
    Are we a dynasty of futility?

    I LOST TRUST IN Lovie & Winston!!!

  76. TheShaz Says:

    Florida Highway Patrol has reported they have doubled the patrol at the Skyway bridge.

  77. OneLove Says:

    Hahahaha, guys it’s official.. I know what Erectile Dysfunction feels like!!!

    I can no longer defend Lovie Smith.. I have jumped off the ship and have pulled my WANG out of DallasBuc’s mouth.(because i can no longer get it up)

    Here is a list of things I am disappointed in:

    Jameis Winston: He made SO many bad decisions and looked lost out there on Sunday. I understand it’s his first game, but you can’t THROW THAT FOOTBALL!!(referring to his first pick 6). He continued to get worse and worse and putting us in a 14-0 hole early set the tone for how the rest of the game played out.

    Lovie Smith: I was hoping you could right this ship. I understand you inherited a roster FULL of HOLES, but you chose to draft NOTHING BUT OFFENSE! I would have rather seen you draft NOTHING BUT DEFENSE and at least go out with WHAT YOU ARE KNOWN FOR!

    Dirk Koetter: I am losing FAITH REAL QUICK! HOW MANY ILLEGAL FORMATION PENALTIES CAN WE GET IN ONE GAME!?!?! There’s no excuse for all of this. It falls on the coaching and it falls on him.

    Defensive Line: Wow these guys sucked. I mean get in those passing lanes and get your hands up!! I understand we have a bunch of no namers who we are hoping could stand out, but it’s no excuse.

    Our players got outplayed and our coaches got outcoached and I know it’s still early, but it looks like Lovie and Licht drafted the wrong guy and that SHOULD cost them their jobs. Lovie is on the hot seat and the players SHOULD BE ASHAMED of themselves!!!

    “It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith aka “When I get that feeling! I need SEXUAL HEALING!”

  78. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    DallasBuc Says
    “Bonzai knows a thing or two about hard swallowing.”

    I’ve watched you choke on my junk enough times to recognize it.

  79. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    Ok all you Winston lovers and supporters……

    Forget the loss and explain the reasons behind winstons:

    – Bad decision making (almost 4 picks)
    – Sloppy foot work
    – Long wind up/release (Byron Leftwich)
    – Wobbling / lame ducks (thrown balls)
    – Not stepping into the pocket

    ……oh noooo……..but he is “NFL Ready”………my are

    ……he was doing these same things at FSU too (news flash…for Winston lovers)

  80. Another J Says:

    It’s time to fire George Warhop!
    It’s time to fire the D-Line coach too.
    The most glaring take away from the seal clubbing was: Lovie is now 0-9 at Raymond James!

  81. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I sure am glad we chose the pro ready QB

  82. Bucs53 Says:

    The defense was flat out embarrassing. Our “star” players were completely absent. The Oline was porous and had WAY too many penalties. Jameis struggled from start to finish, and looked like a rookie. Coaching was inept, and made absolutely no in-game adjustments. There’s simply no excuse for any of this.

    I find it interesting that the national media (which has made a killing off of anti-Winston articles) is being significantly more balanced than our own fanbase. Across the board they’re saying the same thing, Jameis is a rookie and looked like it, but he has the skills, the know-how, and the intangibles to put it all together. The overwhelming sentiment is that it was ONE GAME.

    I just don’t understand anyone who thinks they can project a player’s career trajectory based off of one game. That’s simply asinine. And to steal a thought from Hawaiian Buc, I’d be interested to see what these “fans” used to say about RG3…

  83. Cobraboy Says:

    If Licht truly learned from Belicheat about cutting the dead wood quickly & moving on, then he’d convince the Glazers to jettison Lovie.

    I waited 9 months for 4:30pm on 9/13. High expectstions, even was going togive the rooks some slack.

    “Disappointment” doesn’t even come close. How can a team seeking respect play so poorly & lifelessly AT HOME ON OPENING DAY.

    The Glazers will lose MILLIONS as once-loyal fans, ice water thrown on their hopes by total ineptitude, will keep their wallets in their pockets. For good reason.

    I thought I’d “feel better” this morning. I had my morning coffee watching the condensed version of the game on Game Pass (the only way to watch the Bucs here in the Caribbean.) Just as bad and stinky as the first time, with few exceptions.

    Gerald McCoy? He should be ashamed of himself, keep his mouth shut, give back his “captian” monikor and a bunch of his money. He played like a heartless used-up whore on roller skates. He’s not even a Top-25 DT based on his play yesterday.

    David and Lasanah? Invisible. Alexander did play with some juice.

    DB’s? Did the team clone Sabby? Because they were constantly out of position, took terrible angles, and couldn’t tackle a retired nun.

    JaMarcus Winston? Please. No excuses, especially “he’s a rookie.” So was Mariota—you know, the guy who didn’t know how to get under center, came from a spread “gimic” offense, had a weak arm and would take YEARS to become “NFL ready?” JaMarcus looked like JaMarcus: slow, stupid, unable to use hisfeet and constantly confuzzled.

    “America’s Quarterback?” Good Lord, please just stop. Those words should come back to haunt and embarass the Joes. It’s clear they have no more insight into the working of pro football than the average fan. If they have any honesty, they’d call out the crap coaching and poorly motivated players on this team, including JaMarcus Winston.

    Wanna bet Mariota will get “NFL Offensive Player of the Week”? Deservedly so?

    The season is over. Lovie has lost these guys. We’re staring at the #1 pick again, and with these guys will no doubt blow it—again.

    I’m pissed.

  84. Big Irish Says:

    Bar Maid! A shot of Jameson & a Guinness!

  85. Formerly GlennonGrad Says:

    I knew Lovie Smith was a questionable force on this team the moment he let Revis walk. I thought that was the stupidest call he made, especially after scrapping the Oline too. As a guy who cleans houses for a living, you don’t clean the house starting in the cleanest room in the house. I made a tongue in cheek joke about firing Lovie smith 2 years ago, and now I’m not joking. Lovie Smith is either completely inept at motivating or gameplanning, or Lovie/Licht made innumerable issues in player evaluation.

    It always seems foolhardy and brash to fire a coach midseason, and I don’t necessarily advocate for it, but I will cheer the moment that stone faced sociopath is shown the door, and the sooner there is a shred of good news about this team the better.

    We all thought Marcus Arroyo was the glaring issue on this teams offense, but I think Lovie smith intentionally puts the brakes on all the offensive coaches, and Arroyo may not have been as bad as we thought. We all knew the offense would be simple vanilla, but that was disturbingly vanilla, and we saw the same run run pass punt through much of the first half, until it was too ineffective to be applied anymore. They just threw in a few more play action passes to shake it up a little.

    As a younger fan who has to fly down to Tampa to watch this game, this kind of blowout really makes it hard to motivate to take time off school for this. I plan on coming to a few more games, and I love my Bucs to death, but this is just a hard pill to swallow, especially since I have never seen a winning Bucs team sans the 10-6 miracle.

  86. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    Game balls go to ASJ and Kwon

  87. BrianBucs Says:

    Winston’s performance yesterday did not surprise me as it was about what I expected.
    However, the defense’s performance was shocking. It’s not like they were playing against the Packers or Patriots, it was the Titans. A 2-14 offense with a rookie QB. For a defensive head coach and a D-Cord that’s also a former head coach it was just horrible. Total incompetence.
    I wonder if the Glazers realize that they have made yet another terrible head coaching decision who then drafted the wrong QB.
    Bucs could have had America’s Quarterback – Marcus Mariota

  88. Cannon Says:

    I’ll just copy my rant from the another thread (this is the thread I should have posted in…)

    The sad part about the qb comparison argument is that I can’t quite determine if Mariota was that good, or if our D was that bad.

    My feeling is that our D was just simply that bad.

    As many have pointed out, 90% of the plays involved Mariota taking a 2 step drop (basically, standing up) and tossing it 5-8 yards down the middle. It was open each and every time. Add in atrocious tackling by the Bucs, and voila, you have a meltdown.

    Jameis played like a rookie. I hope he get’s better, but his two interceptions were appalling. If he is truly a football savant like Joe says he is, then he will learn from those mistakes. However, he has a long way to go. He has a long windup, and he stared down his targets worse than Josh Freeman. Watch the tape. Many throws were horribly telegraphed.

    Doug Martin looked good. Our first (and arguably) best touch down drive involved a heavy, heavy dose of Martin. I thought that was smart by Koetter, after Winston’s early struggles.

    That being said, where were our 3 step drops? Where were our quick slants? Why do we continue to ask our QB’s to do 5 and 7 step drops behind a porous offensive line? Going further, when Winston did get protection, he often had no where to throw. How is it that our receivers always seemed to be covered? How many play action fakes did we see Winston look down field, and then have to either tuck and run or throw it away?

    Finally, why the hell didn’t Lovie throw a red flag on Vincent Jackson’s touchdown? Sure, it probaly wouldn’t have won us the game, but Jimminy Christmas, show a little fire!

  89. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “……he was doing these same things at FSU too (news flash…for Winston lovers)”


    You mean when he won the Heisman and National Championship?

  90. ATrain Says:

    Joe your next article should be “Players Coaches Don’t Work”

    We have taken another huge step back.

    The Bucs Fire an 8-8 Superbowl winning Coach
    And replace him with a players coach (Raheem)
    Replace him with a tough Disciplinarian (Schiano)
    Replace him with a Players Coach (Lovie)

    What other winning NFL team has a no emotion, Players coach that is winning?

    Glazers you are business men find someone to help you make proper leadership choices for this team PLEASE!!!

    Tampa deserves a GOOD FOOTBALL team…

  91. TheShaz Says:

    Bucs Offense: This went as I expected. Rookie QB and a rebuilt O-Line with two rookies on it. They committed turnovers, expected. But they did score twice.
    Bucs Defense: Zero excuse for letting a rookie shred you like that. Yesterday was the biggest lay down I have ever seen a defensive squad do. You cant stop a Rookie doing the Run & Gun? McCoy & Lavonte where is the veteran leadership? Right now.
    The Bucs have two options.
    1. Let this embarrassment inject some backbone. The Saints did not look all that good yesterday. If the Bucs can pull off a win next week, yesterday’s fiasco will be quickly forgotten.
    2. Lose again and go 0-2, 0-3, 0-4 and beyond. Then the coaching staff need to start packing their bags now.
    Yesterday was billed as a “Must Win” game for the Bucs. I would have been ok with a close loss. I know the O-line and offense is a work in progress. But what has me completely pissed off is the Defense. This is all on Lovie, McCoy and Lavonte.

  92. Bucs53 Says:

    TheBucsAnthem: Are we going to have this debate again?

    At FSU: he lost one game, won 2 ACC titles, won a National Championship, won a Heisman trophy, Walter Camp Award, Manning Award, Archie Griffin Award, AP Player of the Year, an All American, ACC Athlete of the Year, the National Freshman of the Year, and guided the Seminoles to the most statistically prolific offense in CFB history. And he led them to an undefeated regular season record last year. They wouldn’t have won 80% of those games with how they were playing defense. But you want us to believe that he was awful???

    You keep pointing to his college career as an indicator that he was going to struggle, but your argument doesn’t hold any water. To further prove the point, the majority of the talking heads picked him well above Mariota in draft projections.

    I still find it interesting that you have yet to answer the question about what team you actually root for?

  93. James Walker Says:

    Giving up 14 points that fast is crazy. The Bucs were caught completely off guard and unprepared. That puts Winston in a terrible position and he made rookie mistakes. If the D had done its job Martin could have had a great game and the game was winnable.

  94. Cannon Says:

    On a side note, I had a sneaking suspicion that our defense was going to lay an egg.

    So much, that I subbed in Kendall Wright on my Fantasy team.

    The dude ended up being my highest scorer, lol.

  95. DallasBuc Says:

    Bonzai- is that the good lord speaking through you oh pious one?

  96. Buccfan37 Says:

    Lovie, blah blah blah. Hee Hee Hee we’re the Yuccaneers, Ha Ha Ha we’re the Succaneers, Offense Defense nobody came to play, Made the Yuccs walk their plank threw em in Tampa Bay, Ouch.

  97. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    I was the biggest advocate to draft Mariota here, but we took Winston, and so now I have no choice but to support him. To address your points:

    Bad decision making, Sloppy foot work, and Long wind up/release

    He had these issues leading up to the draft. No one here can say they didn’t know it. He’ll have to get better.

    Wobbling / lame ducks

    I didn’t wee much wobbling, but there were a couple lame ducks. It happens. Especially in your first game.

    Not stepping into the pocket

    I agree this was absent. All I can say is that with two rookie olinemen, maybe there wasn’t much of a pocket to step into. The titans defense came at him hard.

    The biggest lesson Winstonites learned…Jameis Winston is human.

    He isn’t a savior. He isn’t god. He is human.

    He is also a rookie, and rookies take time to develop. Mariota had a record setting day. His next game might be just as bad as Winston’s was this week. Even though I wanted him, he’s human too. He’ll have his share of struggles.

    No matter what Winston says about being confident and not being nervous, he played like the opposite. So did all the rookies, including Smith and Kwon. Marpet did better, but he had moments too.

  98. mjc Says:

    Will the Local Sports Press/Media actually ask Lovie tough questions in the next presser.

    * To quote John McKay. You have shown you can’t win on the road or at home, will you like a neutral site?

    * If you can’t be prepared for the Titans after 8 months of offseason work, then how can you prepare for Drew Brees in 6 days.

    * Will you let Leslie call the defensive plays again, since you obviously do not know what you are doing?

    * Why should the fans have any trust in you?

    * if you go winless into the bye week, will you resign for the good of the franchise.

  99. Frank Says:

    Why no screens to the backs? Change of pace, even no huddle? Something to give the offense rhythm or tempo

  100. Bucs53 Says:


    I understand your points, but if Lovie resigns who steps into his place? Koetter? Frazier?

    Neither of them have proven anything—I want Lovie gone, but I think the reality is that it can’t happen until after the season.

  101. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    Sorry, can’t hear you speak when your mouth is full.

  102. Cannon Says:

    Here’s one for healing…

    This game was over with 6 minutes left in the first quarter.

  103. bucrightoff Says:

    TheBucsAnthem Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 11:23 am
    Game balls go to ASJ and Kwon

    ASJ doesn’t deserve a gameball for his embarrassing act on that last TD. Says a lot about where this team is at, high stepping to the endzone down 5 touchdowns. Jesus Christ that was bad…

  104. Cobraboy Says:

    @Frank, the one screen I saw was an INT.

  105. BucTired Says:

    Realistically, I set the bar pretty low for the offense given a rookie quarterback and an untested line. But I never thought a putrid defense would show up making the second worst team of last year look like a playoff team. I thought the defense might be a bit better than last year. Not this…. whatever you want to call it.

  106. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    To be fair, that TD could have sparked a comeback. So he had reason to celebrate it.

    In fact, the offense did move the ball effectively soon after. Penalties did too much damage (fixable) and they got stopped in the redzone.

  107. bucrightoff Says:

    And 2-15 as Lovie’s record is actually misleading. It took a goddamn miracle (and partial choke) to beat Pittsburgh, and had Washington started Colt McCoy and not RGIII, we could seriously be looking at 0-17. If nothing else, we have 1 convincing win in 17 games under this coach. How can anyone be supportive or happy about that? Because we’re stuck with him contractually?

  108. Erik with Clean Athletics Says:

    I truly believe that the only reason everyone was picking the Bucs to take Winston is because they expect the Bucs to make the wrong decision in that situation. And we proved them all right. #Lovieand LichtareIdiots

  109. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    @ Bucs53 and Hawaiian Buc

    and how many times are you going to refer to a person’s college career past accomplishments

    ……do you really want to go there……how many of accomplished college atheletes don’t make it in the NFL??????……………many….many….many…and the list goes on

    I am not saying Winston will not have a good career……

    All I’m saying is that

    – The Bucs picked the wrong QB
    – He is definitely not NFL ready

    Like someone pointed out Earlier……Dungy and others would’ve picked Mariota

    Hell…..Dungy had the inside track on Mariota cause his son played there…..and STILL…..STILL…..the Bucs choose Winston………WTF!?!?!?!?!?

  110. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    I’m supportive of him because he is our coach. Do I think he needs to do a better job? Of course I do.

    But I’m not going to sit here like some people and laugh during the game because they felt vindicated when speaking against Winston (not saying you did this).

    There were several things about yesterdays game that bugged me, including with the coaches.

    It’ll get better though.

  111. Chiefbucsfan Says:

    “How do you feel about your team’s execution?” “I’m all for it.”

  112. Cannon Says:

    Prior to this game, the last regular season game I watched was the 2014 beat down by Atlanta.

    Call me a fair-weather fan, but I just couldn’t stand watching my beloved Bucs get taken to the woodshed. Too much pride (and I didn’t feel that the product on the field was worth my 4 hours of time)

    So, after only the third game of the season, I hung up the jersey, and waited, patiently, for 2015.

    This year, I might not even make it to game 3 :o(

  113. Deminion Says:

    Feels like the same thing every year the organization sells us a pipe dream, ink to have the same garbage on the field. I wanted Zimmer the year Lovie was hired just sayin

  114. Clodhopper Says:

    I was almost healed once. Then yesterday happened and Lovie opened up that wound with a deep fresh cut!

  115. Buccfan37 Says:

    I don’t care what anybody says, Schiano was and is a way better coach than Lovie. It’s not even close.

  116. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    To be fair…if you are allowed to point at his faults in college, they should be permitted to point at his accomplishments.

  117. tdtb2015 Says:

    My Bye week prediction:

    Koetter will replace Lovie
    Nickerson will replace Leslie

    Getting up this morning I was more disappointed when I notice it was not a nightmare. It really happened….

  118. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    @ BuccaneerBonzai

    …….point noted

  119. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Buccfan37 Says
    “I don’t care what anybody says, Schiano was and is a way better coach than Lovie. It’s not even close.”

    I wanted to keep Schiano too. I don’t think he was better than Lovie, but had the potential to become better. Schiano started off making some bad mistakes, but I honestly think the defense would have improved under him.

    That said, it’s in the past. Lovie is coach and he isn’t going anywhere, no matter how much we scream for it. Personally, I refuse to root for the Bucs to lose just the be rid of a coach…which is what several people here do.

  120. Bucs53 Says:


    You went there. You keep pointing to his college career and saying that it was an indicator of struggle in the NFL, and then when someone bothers to point out to you that he had a storied NCAA career, you come back with “when was that again” or “do you really want to go there.” You can’t have it both ways. You can say he struggled last night, but you can’t revise history and say he sucked in college. Because your argument doesn’t hold water. For a Bucs “fan” you seem to be relishing the fact that your team’s starting QB struggled–it’s one thing to point out shortcomings and be disappointed (see BucBonzai) but I just don’t understand a “fan” who seems to get off on his starting QB’s struggles. It’s odd.

    Anyone who says they can forecast a players career based off of one game is a fool.

  121. tdtb2015 Says:

    @Joe – If you really care about us Bucs fans, don’t ever use the “America’s Quarterback” label. I know this is your business but have some compassion.
    I do appreciate this post!

  122. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Another positive:

    At least there were no serious injuries. That I currently know of. Lovie didn’t mention any in his presser.

  123. ARGH_M8E Says:

    Garbage. Top to bottom. Love all you delusional positive thinkers:)

  124. tbaybuc Says:

    Cant say anything here that hasn’t already been said. I believe that MM will be hurt/phase out in the next couple of years and JW will be a pro-bowler. Its my gut feeling and history sort of points to it as well! We’ll see though. What i really want to know though and i think it makes a huge impact as well is….When is Mike Evans supposed to be back? I think he changes the game for us big time.

  125. The Buc Realist Says:


    Why, because the Bucs would be taking a step back by firing Lovie??? Is it possible to take a step back right now???

  126. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    Again, to be fair again…Winston wasn’t perfect in college. He DID have faults in the way he played. Yes, he won. A lot.

    But that doesn’t change things. He still has the wind up, the clumsy feet, and makes bad decisions.

    Really there is no point in arguing that fact…and it is FACT.

    However, I believe he will get better. These issues will be addressed. I watched his presser. He made no excuses. He said “I need to get better.”

    And its the truth. He does. And he will.

  127. bucrightoff Says:

    BuccaneerBonzai Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 11:41 am

    To be fair, that TD could have sparked a comeback. So he had reason to celebrate it.

    In fact, the offense did move the ball effectively soon after. Penalties did too much damage (fixable) and they got stopped in the redzone.

    To be fair, these are pretty weak trolling skills. I mean true I did respond, but only to point out the D level trolling this is. I mean makes sense since we support a D level football team I guess.

    I suppose you always view garbage time as the best time to asses how good a team is? If so we’re going to be going into next year thinking Super Bowl, lots of garbage time practice to come this year.

  128. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    @The Buc Racist

    You may as well not even speak to me. I don’t intend to pay much attention to you going forward. I don’t care for trolls.

  129. tdtb2015 Says:


    All the fans are CONCUSS. We cannot return to watching Bucs game for 2 weeks or we might loose our minds!

    We all need to watch our Super Bowl victory to get back a normal heartbeat…

  130. R-Kansas Buc Says:

    Bucs yesterday in a word: Lackluster. We fielded a team that didn’t appear to have any desire whatsoever to win. NOBODY played to their potential. We were completely slaughtered by a team that was second-to-last in 2014. What did the Titans do different than we did to turn their team around? To say I was sickened by our play is an understatement.

    There’s no doubt that our HC and staff have no idea how to inspire a team. The good ones know how to give those rousing halftime speeches that send the team out looking for blood. The coaching is deplorable. The professionalism of the players is seriously in doubt. It would serve them right is no one showed up for the next home game.

    Calling Jameis Winston “America’s Quarterback” is a lot of empty, gaseous hype. He’s a rookie, pure and simple. He may develop into a serviceable QB, but he’s no savior.

    The highly-touted defense should have been wearing Titan uniforms.

    I’ve lived thru way too much disappointment rooting for this team over the years. But nothing compares to yesterday’s debacle. After the puzzling, uninspiring season we endured last year, you’d think there was no other way to go but up. WRONG!

    The Bucs are in need of some serious change and the Glazers better either sell the team or go out and find a real head coach. Playtime is over. It’s time to get real.

  131. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    ……………..this is pointless

  132. Buc1987 Says:

    Boycott game 4. Nobody show up.

  133. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    I understand the frustration. Frankly, I saw it coming a while ago. I just want to remind people there is still reason to hope. Things just won’t come as quickly as many expected, so people are being snapped back to reality.

    I know your frustration is because you are actually a true Bucs fan. You don’t hope for things to go wrong. You want them to go right. The same can’t be said of guys like The Buc Racist.

    Heck, DallasBuc lives in Texas and I know he’s a real Bucs fan. We rag on one another, but I actually respect him. Respect you too.

    You don’t heal without taking medicine, right? Things will improve. Heck, it won’t be hard to do better than yesterday. The bar was set pretty low.

  134. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    @Buc1987 Says

    You’re not anywhere near the skyway, are you? I’m genuinely concerned for your health.

    Breathe. Things will get better.

  135. mac Says:


    The sooner the better… I was willing to give him the entire season but after watching another blowout loss where our team looks completely unprepared, undisciplined and out coached…

    Enough is enough – I expected them to be bad but they somehow even failed to meet my extremely low expectations…

    Fire Lovie Smith today!!!

  136. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    On a Side Note…

    Props to everyone that went to the game yesterday. Been a long time since we saw so many fans in the seats.

    Well done.

  137. Joe Says:

    Just a warning to all:

    Those using multiple usernames will be banned. Joe’s tired of playing games.

    You know who you are (including a certain someone who is using five different usernames).

  138. Buccfan37 Says:

    Whatever, it’s good for Bucs fans to air out all their anguish. I’ll be the first and maybe the last to take the Bucs plus the points at the Saints. Straight up win, can’t go there yet.

  139. Mark Says:

    Radio guys asked a good question this morning: would the score have been the same if MM was on the Bucs and Winston on the Titans yesterday? Hard to answer, but this much is obvious: MM would have been running for his life trying to execute downfield passes, since the Bucs coaches would never have tailored a gameplan to his strengths. Meanwhile, the Tenn coaches would probably have allowed Winston to play out of the shotgun a lot more (assuming they’d want to play to his downfield passing strengths), to help offset the footwork / OL issues. The crap we saw yesterday was 100% on the coaches.

  140. WinstonLoverAndSupporter Says:

    “……he was doing these same things at FSU too (news flash…for Winston lovers)”

    That last sentence shows you have no idea what you’re talking about. I can’t explain your reasons for not knowing, as the internet…y’know…exists.

    Terrible game for sure. But I also wouldn’t have him doing 4-5 step drops when he can barely get 2 seconds before a defender mauls him.

    Moreover, this Bucs defense couldn’t stop me or you. That’s coaching (its also only game 1.) But keyboard oracles over here can already see eeeeeverything they need from one game. By that logic, you geniuses would have benched rookie Brett Favre and Peyton Manning. Maybe let another game or two play out before burning your couch.

  141. bucrightoff Says:

    I’m surprised all it took was yesterday to pretty much turn this fanbase from say 70/30 support for Lovie to 90/10 want him fired. I mean I’m absolutely thrilled people have come around to the need to have real, 21st century people running this franchise. If we have to piss away another year to get another elite talent (or many picks) and rid ourselves of Lovie, it’s gonna be worth it….so long as he doesn’t ruin Jameis, which is very possible.

  142. Buc1987 Says:

    Bonzai…all good points that you just made, but this was not a beat down by the Pat’s, Packers, or Seahawks. It was the 2-14 Titans. There is legitimate cause for alarm. I’m really thinking 0-16 this season. That’s where I’m at. I don’t see the team gelling at all by midseason. I see it getting worse, not better. It sure looks WORSE than last season wouldn’t you say? I would. I can put up with close losses like the ones Schiano used to have, but this stuff is inexcusable in front of a SOLD OUT crowd at home coming off a 2-14 season.

    This team is going to get worse…..not better.

  143. cubarican84 Says:

    Seige The Day

  144. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    ……………..this is pointless

    All of us ranting won’t change anything

    right or wrong

    it don’t matter

    Years and years of being cellar dwellers and bottom feeders

    This franchise used to be the pride of the south

    ….now we’ve supplanted the Jaguars……I guess that’s an accomplishment

  145. DallasBuc Says:

    Bonzai gets a sharp tongue with my thumb in his stinkhole!

  146. John McKillop Says:

    I think Jameis will be fine, can’t judge anything after 1 game, there is a reason rookie qb’s didn’t see the field for at least half a season or a whole season, because it’s a tough transition from college no matter what kind of system you came from. To me, and this is my opinion, I don’t think the players believe in this tampa 2 system. Going into the second year and it is no better than last year, there is no trust or belief in Lovies defense. The Buce need to hire an experienced head of football operations, there are no football people between Licht and the Glazers to get this organization back on track.

  147. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Jesus they are doing film breakdown on ESPN and the defense is GAWD AWFUL and mariotta didn’t do anything spectacular yesterday but the bucs LBs and DBs were so bad they wouldnt start for washington state…..the Browns defense WILL bring mariotta back down to earth….

    LeBeau did what agood coach should do to a rookie QB….disguise alignment, coverage and blitzes and fronts

    winston will be good mark it down and mariotta will probably be good, he would be in the hall of fame if he could face lovie each week and so would jameis if he got to face lovie

  148. BrianBucs Says:

    Byron Leftwich 2.0

  149. tdtb2015 Says:

    I really don’t see us winning any games. So we that said, Lovie should be gone after loosing to the Jaguars before the “Bye” week…

  150. Destinjohnny Says:

    Not picking marcus is going to be a 14 year rash for buc fans.
    Strong work in missing that pick joe. Lovie and jason

  151. BigMacAttack Says:

    Lovie has taken the term “SUCK” to a whole new level. I don’t really care how far Mariota’s passes were, they were money every time. Titan’s coach played to his strengths. The first game tells a lot about a team. Lovie says they’ve been here before and will bounce back. They haven’t bounced back yet and he is living in a complete dreamworld. I hope the Glazers hold a press conference later today to announce changes. I believe the Bucs are on track for a perfect 0-16 season if changes aren’t made quickly.

  152. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    BrianBucs Says:

    September 14th, 2015 at 12:16 pm

    Byron Leftwich 2.0

    that’s what it looks like

  153. Buc1987 Says:

    Bonzai…I’m fine. I predicted 4 – 6 wins tops. 1 of those games was yesterday though and after that blowout, I can’t find one game that they can win on the schedule. Jags? Maybe, I hope so as I have tickets to that game.

    If the team is 0-4 coming into that game. I’m bringing an “I Miss Schiano”” sign to the game. Get your camera’s ready!

  154. cubarican84 Says:

    Im ashamed to be a Buccaneer fan. Completely embarrassed. I live in WI and year after year witness how fun football can be rooting for a competent organization. But no, for me, I debated calling out of work today or at least wear a paper bag over my head.

  155. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Just arriving to over 100 comments. To be honest I’m still surprised there is enough passion left to even come here to beotch. I take that as a positive. Kudos to all of you no matter what you posted if you’re still here after yesterday!! Nobody can accuse you of not being fans!!

    So many thoughts…yes Lovie sucked…I said I give him this season to win at minimum six games or it’s time to dump him. Having said that I understand the many who want him fired last night!!! It’s just NOT going to happen so why waste the emotion.

    QB Mariotta is very good. Give him his props. Somebody said they didn’t know if he’s that good or our D was that bad…how about a combination of the two. Mariotta has many more phyical gifts than #3. He doesn’t trip over his own feet, mysteriously lose the handle on the football for no apparent reason..shades of the Rose Bowl. But most importantly…we picked #3…crying over spilt milk does nothing…and #3 can still be a “franchise QB”.

    #3 sucked big time yesterday. Stop with all the excuses. He simply is NOT NFL ready. He was only sacked four times and it’s not like the OL permitted jailbreaks every other play. Some of those sacks were simply #3’s horrid footwork and tripping…that’s NOT the OL’s fault. #3 does not have Mariota’s quick release and that’s not the OL’s fault.

    Having said all of that about #3 it’s not the end of the world. As somebody pointed out the last QB to toss a pick six on his first NFL pass was Brett Favre.
    Favre came into the league without the fanfare and hype of Fameis…2nd rounder from small school. He languished on Atlanta’s bench before being traded to GB. Even then he didn’t start. Long time Buc fans may have seen this in person…I had to pull it from Wikipedia..

    In the second game of the 1992 season, the Packers played the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Buccaneers were leading 17–0 at halftime when head coach Mike Holmgren benched starting quarterback Don Majkowski and Favre played the second half. On his first regular season play as a Packer, Favre threw a pass that was deflected and caught by himself. Favre was tackled and the completion went for −7 yards. The Packers lost the game 31–3, chalking up only 106 yards passing.

    Sometimes things take time and so I haven’t given up on #3. I do not want to sacrifice any more games however just so he can be given a cram course. If #3 sucks it up next week…and continues to show his clear lack of recognition of NFL speed and ability..getting screen passes and simple outs intercepted…he might actually learn more from the bench! Unlike Joe I do not believe that just because we selected him #1 he has to play this year. Another game like yesterday and any value in terms of selling tickets is gone anyway.

    I think Koetter and MG8 could squeeze 8 wins out of this schedule. If it means the difference of going 4-12 with #3 or 8-8 with MG8 I can wait for #3 to develop watching some from the sidelines…which used to be the case for all rookie QB’s. I want to WIN!!! NOW!!! Scrw draft picks…scrw #3 or anybody’s ego. Put in the guy who gives us the best chance NOW…not the player who could EVENTUALLY take us to the SB. I would have #3 on a very short leash at this point. He was beyond terrible yesterday.

    This team DID have some positives. We ran the ball well until we fell too far behind. The OL shows promise..and Martin is back to form…we had good play from special teams…our kickers have LEG. Now if we can address that awful D…but that is another post.

  156. NJBucsFan Says:

    Could you imagine how bad Winston would be if he didn’t spend so much time studying and practicing???

    Good thing we went with the pro-ready QB and not that silly system QB.

  157. Buc1987 Says:

    BigMacAttack…exactly and it’s like what I was telling everyone after the Brown’s preseason game with the Bucs. “This was the dress rehearsal for the regular season.” So far that rings true. The Browns and Titans game are good indicators as to what’s coming down the pike this season.

  158. TAC Says:

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    That is Lovie right now, and his scheme. This is not just the first game, and to believe it all is on the shoulders of the players is just more insanity.

    I don’t believe he is capable of Coaching his scheme in the NFL anymore, to many things have changed, and he is unable to adjust. Maybe if Lynch was still in the back cracking heads, his scheme would be coachable. His scheme was different in Chicago, and was never a real Tampa 2, and Urlacher was the LB all plays were funnled to.

    The secondary sux, the front seven can’t stop the run. The players are not being put in a position to succeed. Schiano got much more out of players, and a legitimate coaching staff would get even more.

    Over the top, maybe, but this is the “healing thread”.

    Fire the f’n Head Coach.

    Now, looking forward to next week, not next year yet, lol.

  159. BigMacAttack Says:

    Does anyone believe the Bucs will get better each week?
    Get better b mid season?
    Get better at all?
    I don’t see it.

  160. Bucs53 Says:


    I agree with you. Anyone who watched the Noles last season would agree with you.
    I’ve never said he was perfect. But for Bucs Anthem to come on here and repeatedly say that his college career was awful is revisionist history–and when he gets called out on it (which he has been numerous times) he pretends like he didn’t say it or it was “so long ago.” He can’t have it both ways. It’s like an internet troll desperate for board cred—that’s why I ask him which team he’s a fan of, because if it’s the Bucs then say something SUBSTANTIVE, which you seem to do.

    I have no idea after one game whether or not Mariota will be great or Winston will be terrible. No one does–it’s asinine to even suggest it. Look at the RG3 scenario playing out right now—no one was calling for his head after the first game or the first season, they would sooner have called for MVP. Look at him now—we just don’t have enough info ye, and won’t for a while.

  161. Buc1987 Says:

    StPeteBucsFan…that’s all fine and dandy. Trade Glennon and Winston for Tom Brady and Lovie’s STILL going to lose every game this season. I said this season hinges on one thing awhile back. If the Bucs don’t develop a pass rush they won’t win a game. Now I can add to it with. If they don’t start tackling AND develop a pass rush they won’t win a game. It’s as simple as that.

  162. BucsFanFromSaintsLand Says:

    I will actually be at the game this weekend. Saints Fans show no mercy. I will be the epitome of a dog getting kicked while it’s down. I should just sell my ticket and stay at home and cry.

  163. BucDaddy82 Says:

    I think this is an organizational issue. Culture, losing, etc… Last time we had any success we hired a young, positive, aggressive offensive coach…Jon Gruden. If this truly does not work out with Lovie and I hope it does, we need to go the same route that we went with Gruden. We need to hire Patriots OC Josh McDaniels. This would be his second HC position and I think he has learned alot from his time in NE. He is a winner.

  164. TAC Says:

    Admin, I hope you expose the sockpuppets at some point. Some posts on here smell of other teamers, or those who are secondary buc fans.

    After reading boards for many years, sometimes its easy to spot these second teamers, and even their first team love.

    Expose the bastards, then ban them.

    Great job by you guys here, and keep up the great work, it will get better at some point.

  165. That Guy Says:

    If that really was two thoroughbreds out there yesterday, it looks like the Titans drafted American Pharaoh and the Bucs drafted Eight Belles.

    Or maybe a mule.

  166. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    The awful D!!! Koetter and MG8 or #3 cannot squeeze 8 wins out of this incredibly soft schedule with yesterday’s D. Martin will be useless if we’re always playing from 14 points behind.

    People keep beotching about the scheme but good QB’s and OC’s complete these short passes all the time…see Rodgers against the Bears yesterday. It’s not simply the defensive schemes…we are fundamentally lacking.

    Perhaps I’m totally mistaken and the reason is simply poor talent. I do not see that yet, but I may be wrong. Maybe GMC..LVD…Kwon and the guys are simply overrated?

    Lovie is certainly culpable. I do NOT give him any kind of pass. All we heard from the players was Lovie was demanding more physicality this year. Are you freaking kidding me? The team missed the memo. They looked like 8th graders playing Ohio State or FSU yesterday. They tackled like total wimps.

    Maybe Lovie is totally wrong on his fundamentals. Yes turnovers are great but not at the expense of proper tackling. If you simply punch at the ball and it works 1 out of every 50 times and you get a turnover…is that worth turning all those 5 yard gains into first downs with horrible tackling.

    This team is sorely lacking right now in basic fundamentals. I’m a big enough guy to admit up to this point..Dallas..Tmax..and Realist have been right. The Bucs were fundamentally poor yesterday. Who else to blame? Lovie!!!

    But I’m the optimist. We saw this last year against a mediocre to crappy Dixie Chicks team and rebounded to play decently in the 2nd half of the season. It can happen again.

    Tom E has correctly pointed out the limitations set by the CBA on practices and hitting. We need to use EVERY permitted minute of practice to work on tackling!!! We need to get back to fundamentals.

    If this defense became as good as we were in the second half of the season…and our OL plays as well as they did yesterday early in the run game…and we got an experience NFL QB who could manage the game…can you say MG8…we can still win 8!!! New Orleans lost yesterday! Do we think Atlanta will beat Philly tonight? That will give us an idea of how far Quinn has brought them. Carolina did not look like world beaters against the Jags.

    It was one game!!! We can still turn this around IF Lovie is not too rigid to see that his team’s physicality generally gets us penalities for high hits and does not wrap up for simply tackles.

  167. Buc1987 Says:

    BigMac…I see them getting worse. Especially on defense.

  168. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    That’s not Lovie out there tripping over his own feet…losing his grip on the ball even when he’s not hit…it’s not Lovie’s slow release or refusal to check down when he should. You were at the game…the announcers went nucking futs when JW got lucky with that completion to ASJ into the red zone. All’s well that ends well but they took some time to point out that should have been an int and it was clearly the wrong decision.

    It is possible for Lovie to suck and #3 to suck on his own. It’s time to hold some of these players accountable as well. Lovie picked them and so Tmax,realist and Dallas are correct to hold him responsible for poor talent evaluation…but these players contributed mightily in making Lovie and Koetter look really bad and nobody contributed more to this loss than #3! It is what it is. He’s a rookie and I love his positive attitude and confidence but perhaps he needs to get his head adjusted in terms of his limitations now that it’s the NFL and not the ACC.

  169. Buc1987 Says:

    StPeteBucsFan…I didn’t actually do the counting, but there was a helluva lot of IF’s in your post. Probably could have counted to 10 if I tried. lol

  170. NJBucsFan Says:

    No, No, No, and I agree with not seeing.

    Losing is more contagious than winning. Lovie has brought a losing culture to a team that knows nothing but losing. He was not the right choice for this job.

    BigMacAttack Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
    Does anyone believe the Bucs will get better each week?
    Get better b mid season?
    Get better at all?
    I don’t see it.

  171. DoNUTS Says:

    Over the summer, I used the handles MM-ARMY, MM>JW, and a few others trying to express the point that I truly thought MM was a better QB. He simply throws a better/more accurate ball and I always thought his release point was better and faster than JW. We saw a lot of that yesterday. I took a lot of heat and at times my comments were purged by the JBF Gods…..due to the fact they didn’t correlate with the sites “JW America’s QB” theme.

    I think the real football Gods have spoken on Sunday……I wish nothing but the best for JW as I am a Bucs fan since 1990 but yesterday was just more proof that I was right.

    Lastly, the Bucs failures are systemic from the top. The Glazers really do not love this team or city and until they are purged this team will always be an after thought to Man U.

  172. Buc1987 Says:

    SPBF…and I’m telling you Glennon won’t make a difference this season. NOT with that defense paying the way they are. Yet for some reason you see it differently. Must be all those “ifs” you keep typing out.

  173. TAC Says:

    Winston is in the fire, not time to make a rookie QB the scapegoat. He is the starter, and should remain that unless hurt. Glennon may have played better yesterday, but that is water under the bridge.

    You pull Winston now, and you’re really f’n with his future development.

    Glennon is just as slow footed as Winston, both may not be the answer long term, but there are much bigger problems that the starting QB.

  174. Howard Cosell Says:

    The Glazers have no souls.
    Media people will tell you in hushed whispers that no one
    can effectively call them out without fearing for their jobs
    (ala Dan Sileo). The Glazers literally employ shills to argue
    in their favor on the internet. If you are a media member
    and you do call them out on a regular basis they will use
    their money and power to target you.
    I fear that their master plane is to alienate the fanbase
    as a prelude to moving the team. Much easier to move
    a team no one cares about than one that people love.

    Not much healing there but a lot of truth.

  175. Pat Says:

    What’s the next countdown now? Draft day?

  176. DallasBuc Says:

    87- glad you decided to show up. Was getting worried that you were on the sea floor under the Skyway after having watched our boys in person smear poo on each other. That must have been quite a gruesome sight in the stands after the Tits pulled MM and took their foot off the pedal.

  177. Couch Fan Says:

    How can you say that the coaches are horrible then in the same breath declare our QB not NFL ready? What QB is ever “NFL ready” with a garbage coach?

    Lol Do really think Mariota would of played well with Imcompetent Lovie as his coach? You people make no damn sense.

  178. nano107 Says:

    America’s QB stares at receivers like I stare at donuts.
    Not NFL ready.
    Lovie can’t coach defense.
    No adjustments #longseasonbucsstillsuck!!!
    Joe won’t survive this one lmao!!!!

  179. Buc1987 Says:

    TAC …I agree 1000%. You don’t pull the rookie QB out of the fire you put him in. Especially when you’re a defensive coach and your defense plays like middle schoolers. Winston needs to take his lumps and learn while Lovie’s D continues to get torched week after week.

    A rookie QB is the least of this teams problems right now.

  180. jj Says:

    Joe don’t know QBs. Doesnt matter if this team improves we still got the inferior QB. every game Mariota plays this year will prove, Joe don’t know QBs. Heads should roll for that decision , as well as the lack of coaching. Gm is a joke

  181. Joe Cool Says:

    MM DID NOT RUN A PRO STYLE OFFENSE YESTERDAY. STOP SAYING HE DID!!!! HE RAN THE EFFING READ OPTION!!!! THAT WILL STOP REAL FAST, JUST ASK RGIII. You people think he is going to pull that kind of crap every week against better defenses??? Get off JW, he played well for a rookie. The Bucs D made MM look like Tom Brady.

  182. Brian Says:

    The Glazer family gave Lovie Smith and Jason Licht the green light to spend spend spend in free agency for the past two off seasons along with giving Lovie full authority for roster moves and draft picks and yesterday’s shellacking were the results of a coaching staff and GM that are clueless!

    This team was better prepared under Raheem and Schiano; under Lovie we have had multiple blowout losses at home which is unacceptable!

    Message to Lovie: The Tampa 2 DOES NOT work anymore!

    Fire Lovie and bring in a coach that has energy and is proven winner!

  183. FortMyersDave Says:

    Look I’d like to be optimistic about our Bucs but how can anyone predict anything better than 3-13 or 4-12 after watching yesterday’s beatdown? Sure if the D shows up they’ll have a chance, a ccouple of turnovers and a short field would help a young kid like Winston, so would having a healthy Mike evans (man I just knew Lovie would sit him out, though a healthy Evans probably would have just made it a 42-20 beatting with Mike stealling a TD from ASJ)…. Who can we actually think the Bucs can hang with with the defense being so utterly bad???? Heck the Jags would have rung up 35 on that D yesterday.. I hope StPeteBucsFan is right about this team being able to squeeze some wins out though. One game is not the whole season but yesterday was alot like the Raven and ATL Thursday night game of last year, that is 3 blowouts in 17. Bucs had one beatdown of their own: in DC vs the Deadskins a 27-7 win over a bad DC squad: is that the one team they’ll match up against this year as well????

  184. Buc1987 Says:

    FortMyersDave…I sit here right now predicting 0-16. Stay tuned.

  185. DallasBuc Says:

    87- glad you decided to show up. Was getting worried that you were on the sea floor under the Skyway after having watched our boys in person smear poo on each other. That must have been quite a gruesome sight in the stands after the Tiits pulled MM and took their foot off the pedal.

  186. TAC Says:

    Couch Fan

    “Lol Do really think Mariota would of played well with Imcompetent Lovie as his coach?”


  187. Bucs Fan #7423 Says:

    I can see getting blown out by the Falcons and Ravens, but the TITANS?!?!?!?!!? COME ON MAN!!!! THEY WERE THE SECOND WORST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE LAST YEAR!!!!!!

  188. SteveFromSarasota Says:

    i really dont understand why so many Bucs “fans” knock winston down …after one pro game.
    even yesterday at the game so many “fans” in pewter colors booed him.
    i was ashamed to wear the same colors as these “fans”.
    at least give this young guy a season.
    young QBs will make mistakes in the NFL.

    yes it was painful, but dont overreact now.


    winston is not the problem.

  189. FortMyersDave Says:

    What would make everyone on this board who are thoroughly sickened by yesterday’s bending over at the hands of the Titans would happy? I suggest that it would be to can Lovie at the bye and promote Koetter to interim HC and give Leslie F his job back as DC. But will this help the Bucs win a few more games? How much can be changed over a bye week? How much damage that Lovie has inflicted be removed by the newly promoted coaches? maybe the team fights harder, makes less mistakes, maybe the coaches make fewer idiotic challenges and manage the clock and timeouts more wisely, maybe a few ref calls go the Bucs way…. yeah a lot of maybes, but I am certain the Bucs are looking at a top 3 pick next spring if the Bucs are 1-4 or 0-5 at the bye, so why not make the change early and give Koetter an early audition??? Why the hell not? Give Lovie a month to right the ship, no more time, he has had all offseason and all we have heard is a bunch of mularkey!

  190. bucrightoff Says:

    Look hope will return when Lovie gets fired. We need modern NFL coaching and philosophy in this building. The golden era, short as it was, is never coming back. When we push forward with a coach who can adapt to the times, and not have a puppet for a GM, only then can we start to have hope for the future. Jameis only provides hope if he can be put in positions to succeed. Does anyone seriously believe Lovie is gonna be that guy? And please provide good reasons and not reasons of hope and rainbows.

  191. Buc53 Says:


    WAY TO GO! It’s pretty obvious.

  192. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Gee, I’m sure glad we got the “Pro-Ready” QB and not that silly system QB who was doomed to fail in the NFL if his HC was anybody other than Chip Kelly…..oh wait.

    The title “America’s Quarterback” was officially STOLEN from Winston (pun intended) yesterday as now the only QB America is talking about is Marcus Mariota.

    No, the loss was not Winston’s fault, anybody who says that is an idiot. No, I do not believe Marcus Mariota is THAT good. If you would’ve taken Josh Freeman’s drugged up ass outta bed at 4 o’clock in the afternoon and suited him up for the Titans he would’ve lit up that atrocious excuse for an NFL defense.

    But that doesn’t change the fact that Mariota performed better than all the Winston jock riders gave him credit for. His throws were accurate, even in tight windows, he threw the ball in tight spirals DOWN THE FIELD, not just dink and dunk, his footwork was fantastic, and he made good decisions.

    Jameis, however, couldn’t stop stumbling over his own feet, basically sacking himself multiple times, couldn’t hang onto the ball because I’m sure Kellen Winslow slapped some Vaseline on the ball before the game, made poor decisions as well as wobbly throws, and looked completely lost. That is NOT the O-line’s fault, that is NOT the coaches fault, and that is NOT the defense’s fault.

    That being said, Jameis was not at all helped by his coaches or his defense. The offense was consistently called for false starts, holding, and illegal formation, and that is NOT Winston’s fault.

    I can’t give up on Jameis after one lousy game, however he is absolutely NOT the Pro-Ready QB Joe and his goons made him out to be all damn offseason. He has a LOT of work to do.

    I am, however, giving up on Lovie after that game. As for him it was not just one lousy game, but an addition to over a dozen lousy games as Bucs HC, along with his 3rd blowout loss in under a year and he has yet to win a single home game. He does not have the slightest idea WTF he is doing out there. He had not days, not weeks, but many MONTHS to prepare for this game, and his team looked LOST. That is INEXCUSABLE.

    Losing is one thing, but getting your ass handed to you by a rookie QB leading a previous 2-14 team to beat you in your house 42-14 when you had months to prepare for these guys is unacceptable. I am DONE watching this clown stare off into space on the sidelines and give BS statements at the podium like “I didn’t want to put more points on the board” (seriously, he said that) and “Football starts in November”.

    Fire Lovie, Go Bucs!

  193. DallasBuc Says:

    If allowed to coach all 16 games can anyone tell me if there is a single game on this schedule that Incompetent Lovie Smith will have this team prepared enough to compete and win? It doesn’t even look like he has our guys playing same sport.

  194. Carl's Toe Says:

    Hard lesson learned! Never ignore 100 red flags! Follow an idiot, end up in a sinkhole!

  195. Buc1987 Says:

    jj….hold your thoughts on “the better QB” until Mariota faces a real defense or any NFL defense that’s not Lovie’s D. Not saying he won’t be great or the better QB in the long run, but going up against Lovie’s D should tell you nothing. But apparently you overlook that fact. Winston played like a rookie would. Lovie made Mariota look like Montana. Check back after the Titans next game or the game after that. Then make your proclamations about which QB is the better of the 2. This game told me nothing about which QB is better. That’s why I can’t wait to get the season moving along a little further in. So you people running your mouths about how good Mariota is going to be is a little premature imo.

    What’s Drew Brees going to do to Lovie’s D? That’s the question. The question is not who was the better QB yesterday. That won’t be known for 2-3 years, but we’ll have a good idea by midseason though. I just think the MM lovers are jumping the gun a little too quickly. It’s okay Mariota could go out and throw 4 picks next week and NONE and I mean NONE of you will show up on this site.

  196. Posey99 Says:

    “MM DID NOT RUN A PRO STYLE OFFENSE YESTERDAY. STOP SAYING HE DID!!!! HE RAN THE EFFING READ OPTION!!!! THAT WILL STOP REAL FAST, JUST ASK RGIII. You people think he is going to pull that kind of crap every week against better defenses??? Get off JW, he played well for a rookie. The Bucs D made MM look like Tom Brady.”

    MM didn’t run a pro style offense yesterday? But isnt he playing in the NFL? JW played well for a rookie #1 overall pick? excuses excuses

  197. Posey99 Says:

    Buc1987 Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 12:57 pm
    jj….hold your thoughts on “the better QB” until Mariota faces a real defense or any NFL defense that’s not Lovie’s D. Not saying he won’t be great or the better QB in the long run, but going up against Lovie’s D should tell you nothing. But apparently you overlook that fact. Winston played like a rookie would. Lovie made Mariota look like Montana. Check back after the Titans next game or the game after that. Then make your proclamations about which QB is the better of the 2. This game told me nothing about which QB is better. That’s why I can’t wait to get the season moving along a little further in. So you people running your mouths about how good Mariota is going to be is a little premature imo.”

    Delusional. Those perfect throws were the Defenses and Lovie’s fault?

  198. FortMyersDave Says:

    Buc1987 makes a great point about Mariota; you can not hand him the ROY award for lighting up Lovie’s D; a lot of people have looked very good against the Bucs since Lovie became head coach; especially back up qbs…. Lets see how he does against a Brown’s squad that actually will throw in a few wrinkles and will not be as exploitable as Lovie’s Cover Deux was… i bet he comes back to earth and then everyone will be posting here about how our former QB: McNown outplayed Mariota (well Titans could still beat the Browns but if they do i bet it will be a 13-10 type of slugfest with a lot of defense)…

  199. Erik with Clean Athletics Says:

    From Adam Schein’s Hot-Takes column….

    4. The Bucs will regret taking Jameis Winston over Marcus Mariota.

    This is not a baseless hot take, not a Week 1 overreaction. This is exactly what I wrote both before and after the 2015 NFL Draft.

    What a miserable day for Tampa Bay Buccaneers fans, who had to watch the true franchise quarterback they passed on shred their defense in Raymond James Stadium. And Marcus Mariota did it in historic fashion, becoming the first NFL quarterback to throw four touchdown passes in his first half of regular-season play. Mariota was so good he spent the fourth quarter on the sideline, soaking up the Tennessee Titans’ 42-14 win.

    Mariota over Winston on Sunday was a major is a harbinger of things to come. And a bad look for Lovie Smith.

  200. Posey99 Says:

    Marcus Mariota Out played Winston in every way yesterday. Blame it on the Defense? lol Mariota made perfect throws and reads all day long…

  201. Bman Says:

    To all the folks taking up for Jameis…Did you take up for Glennon? If not, why not? He was young without an offensive line just like Winston. I don’t care who you like but you can’t have it both ways. Either Glennon and Winston suck or they neither had a chance because of the O-line, coaching etc. Pick one!

  202. WalkdaPlank Says:

    “Get off JW, he played well for a rookie. ”

    This is the most inaccurate statement on this entire thread. The loss is not on him, he cannot be judged as a bad QB after one game.

    But without a doubt, he did NOT play well at all.

  203. Lord Cornelius Says:

    I am in total Lovie Smith panic mode but no reason to freak out about the QB pick right now.

    Go watch MM’s highlights. 80% of his completions were to wide open WRs over the middle of the field on his 1st reads. It was like watching Oregon again with how open WRs were. He had like 2-3 throws in actual decent coverage maybe.

    Andrew Luck’s stats yesterday actually look worse than Winstons and both games were ones in which they were down early and struggling. He threw the ball 16 more times than Winston for only 40 more yards total and the same amount of TDs and 2 interceptions. You think the Colts are talking about benching him? I mean jesus Christ guys.

    In Andrew Luck’s rookie debut he turned it over FOUR times. 3 interceptions and 1 fumble. Meanwhile RG3 looked amazing and threw for over 300 yards, 2 TDs and no turnovers while beating the Saints at the Saints stadium where they were heavily favored. Was Andrew Luck NOT NFL ready because of that? Was RG3 the correct pick that year??

  204. Buc1987 Says:

    Posey99…call it delusional without waiting a few weeks. Please come back in here after Mariota has a 4 INT game against an average NFL defense. Tell us about the “perfect throws” then. Because right now, they mean nothing to the likes of me until he plays up against an NFL defense.

  205. BrianBucs Says:

    Personally, I just don’t see this team getting turned around until somebody else owns it. When you are 30-71 in your last 101 games, there are some very bad decisions being continually made at the very top levels

  206. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “To all the folks taking up for Jameis…Did you take up for Glennon? If not, why not? He was young without an offensive line just like Winston. I don’t care who you like but you can’t have it both ways. Either Glennon and Winston suck or they neither had a chance because of the O-line, coaching etc. Pick one!”

    I gave up on Glennon after watching him play a full season. If Winston sucks all year with no signs of hope then I’ll probably have to give up on him too but I’ve seen more magic in his collegiate performances than Glennon showed in all the games in his life that I’ve ever seen. So for now that is what the difference is.

  207. bucrightoff Says:

    The Colrs played the best defense in football yesterday. The Bucs played the only team that was competing with them for worst team in the league last year. So comparing Luck’s day with Jameis is way off base. If Jameis played that Bills defense yesterday we’re talking 5 turnovers at a minimum, maybe even a single game record.

  208. Posey99 Says:


    Mariota Just had the most amazing performance by a rookie, ever. You’re calling it a fluke on our defense… which is completely taking away from the perfect throws and decisions he made on the field. Isn’t that like not showing up for work and blaming it on your boss?

  209. Erik with Clean Athletics Says:

    Yes, Couch fan, you moron, I think the Bucs score 42 points yesterday if Mariota at the helm instead of Winston. And I think our D could’ve probably held Winston to 14 points if the roles were reversed. Mariota was highly accurate and executed with the precision of a HOF’er. Winston was terrible.

  210. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “lol Mariota made perfect throws and reads all day long…”

    Seriously go through the game and show me the plays where he had to go through a bunch of reads each time and throw in tight coverage

    Watching the highlights all his TD passes are designed plays with him going to his 1st read. He may have had like a couple plays where he went through his reads but the guy was up 14 points after making one short pass and Winston gifting them a pick 6. Not really a lot of pressure and he only had to throw the ball 16 f&cking times because of how pathetic we were.

  211. Marlow Says:

    Please no more “America’s QB.” One must earn a name like that. It cannot be awarded to him by this sites “pen-and-mic club” known as the
    You tried hard to coin it, but it is time to chill on it now. I have come close to never coming back to this site simply due to the Winston over-hype and the dread of seeing “America’s QB” in another post. The Bucs let every single one of their faithful fans down. It was not just Winston, but he has been put out on the ledge as a leader for the Bucs, so he will take the brunt of the criticism since his individual play was as bad as the team as a whole. Only time will tell if this #1 pick pans out, but history is not on the Bucs side. Good day sir!

  212. Bman Says:

    Lord Cornelius,
    You haven’t seen Glennon play a full season. Nor have you seen him be able to play with the confidence that “this is our guy”. I don’t think he is the “right” guy but I don’t understand how some get a pass and others don’t.

  213. unbelievable Says:


    absolutely hilarious! Even if we could just ask him those fist 2 questions, it would be priceless.

    I wonder just how dumbfounded Lovie could look.

  214. BrianBucs Says:

    One thing that really did surprise me yesterday was how much more comfortable and smooth Mariota looked coming out from under center than Winston who stumbled, bumbled, tripped over his own feet and muffed handoffs. Winston looked clumsy, awkward and totally unathletic

  215. Posey99 Says:

    “lol Mariota made perfect throws and reads all day long…”

    Seriously go through the game and show me the plays where he had to go through a bunch of reads each time and throw in tight coverage

    Watching the highlights all his TD passes are designed plays with him going to his 1st read. He may have had like a couple plays where he went through his reads but the guy was up 14 points after making one short pass and Winston gifting them a pick 6. Not really a lot of pressure and he only had to throw the ball 16 f&cking times because of how pathetic we were.

    He through the ball to the guy that was open, accurately. He made the right read and delivered it accurately. Prefect through and read. I didn’t say progression I said read.

  216. Couch Fan Says:

    If that is true Erik then you really are as ignorant as you sound.

  217. Couch Fan Says:

    I take nothing away from Mariota. He played well for a rookie but that game was more about how bad our defense and Lovie is as coach than how great Mariota was.

  218. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    @87 LMAO. IF’s are all we have as Buc fans at this point.

    I agree with you 100% that neither MG8 nor MM nor any QB has a chance at a victory if the Bucs defense plays as it did yesterday.

    It’s the QB’s job to at least give us a chance to win…#3 did NOT do that yesterday. MM did. MM made some excellent passes with tight spirals and at least one into the end zone through an incredibly tight window that had the announcers raving. But #3 is our QB and after yesterday MM’s really irrelevant except for losers who get their jollies coming on here saying I told you so.

    The defense rebounded last year after the thrashing from a mediocre to poor Atlanta team. IF…yes there’s that word…they can simply repeat last year’s trick a good “game manager” could provide us with some wins.

    The Bucs actually ran the ball well early in the game..the OL shows promise..especially in the running game…and special teams looked decent.

    Get our D straightened out…tell #3 he needs to learn to walk in the NFL before he runs..IE get rid of the freaking ball…and learn to “manage” the game better.

    Our only chance this year is run the ball, play good defense, and get our QB to “manage” the game and simply give us a chance. It’s simply too early for #3 to be a gunslinger.

  219. Curse of Gruden Says:

    Turn on the “FIRE LOVIE” billboards.

  220. Cobraboy Says:


    Some kind of New Age Football fans?

  221. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    BTW To any and everybody pointing out that MM was the better pick…first off as has been said it’s premature after ONE game.

    Secondly even to folks like me who admired MM’s play and believe he’ll have a good future it’s irrelevant other than to perhaps inflate your ego as in I was right.

    #3 was the pick. He’s the future of the franchise for now. But if Lovie gets fired all bets are off! The next coach will have no allegiance to Jameis. San Diego traded Drew Brees and Atlanta traded Brett Favre, there is no guarantee that a new HC wouldn’t do the same with #3 if he lost their confidence. This includes Koetter who was the subject of vast speculation as favoring MM. If Koetter is on the record with the Glazers and not being in #3’s corner then stranger things have happened than a trade. Do you really want to start all over again? For people who want to blow up everything…imagine trading JW and GMC for multiple 1st and 2nd round picks. Just thinking out loud and posing a question…not advocating the move.

  222. BrianBucs Says:

    @ Couch

    It was a total group effort of stinkiness

  223. Buc1987 Says:

    Posey99 ….now you’re acting as if the Lovie’s Bucs were never blown out before. This defense sucks. This is not some new, news. I gave Mariota his props on playing a good game. I also said it doesn’t mean SQUAT until he plays even an average NFL defense.

    I’ve also said for most of the summer that Winston will have lots of WTF’s and lots of WOW did you see that’s this season. I also have said that all Buc fans will know that the Bucs took the right QB by midseason.

    Winston is far from the problem, he’s going to make rookie mistakes. As well as Mariota will too. You and I could have lit up Lovie’s D yesterday nearly as well as Mariota did. What Mariota did to Lovie’s D is no different than what Derek Anderson 3rd string Panthers QB did to Lovie’s D last season. There’s no way of gauging how good Mariota’s going to be off of this game, when every QB the Bucs play this season will be doing the same thing to Lovie’s D. How you guys can tell how good he’s going to be is beyond me. Perhaps pre-season told you something or his tricky college offense did it, but I STILL can’t tell from what I saw.

  224. OAR Says:

    Not sure why all you guys are shocked or surprised. Last Thursday afternoon Lovie said “They weren’t Tennessee Titan ready yet.” Unfortunately, they weren’t even Tennessee Volunteers ready!
    And, as it turns out, the “NFL ready”, “plug -n-play”, “Football Smart” Winston hype was nothing but that…..hype!

  225. unbelievable Says:

    *first 2 questions ^

    Regarding yesterday, you can’t put that loss all on JW. Look, I wanted Mariota originally too, but I have fully embraced JW as our QB. Is MM a better athlete with a quicker release? Absolutely. But I still think Winston has the better arm. As others have noted, pocket passers typically take longer to get going as rookies. He played like a rookie, made some real bad mistakes, but I’m not concerned about him… yet.

    What I am concerned about, is the rest of this team. I’m seriously wondering if there is a brain inside any of our coaches heads. To come out an open the season, at home, against another 2-14 team and play like that? There is no excuse. Why was the game plan not to run the ball, with quick throws, screens, and slants on quick 1 -2 step drops? We know the offensive line sucks? Why not account for that in the playcalling?

    And the defense? For F@cks sake! Did it somehow get worse than last years?

    There is not a word to properly describe how completely pathetic the Bucs looked yesterday. They were outplayed and out coached in every facet of the game, at every position. That is inexcusable.

    I wrote just the other day about how we can not keep firing coaches and coordinators every 1, 2, or 3 years, and ever expect to field a competent team. But if Lovie can not change this around quickly, I say dump him. He has yet to show us any sign of improvement or competency up to this point.

    I don’t live in the area, but if I did, I wouldn’t be attending any games. I know the team needs / wants a great home crowd, but at this point, they don’t deserve it. They need to show some goddamn passion and energy, act like they even want to play. The Glazers, coaches, and players don’t deserve a single dollar of fans money right now, so I say the fans show them how they fee with their wallets.

    /End Rant.

  226. Howard Cosell Says:

    The Glazers have no souls.
    Media people will tell you in hushed whispers that no one
    can effectively call them out without fearing for their jobs
    (ala Dan Sileo). The Glazers literally employ shills to argue
    in their favor on the internet. If you are a media member
    and you do call them out on a regular basis they will use
    their money and power to target you.
    I fear that their master plan is to intentionally alienate the fanbase
    as a prelude to moving the team. Much easier to move a team
    no one cares about than one that people love.

    Not much healing there but a lot of truth.

  227. DoNUTS Says:

    This just IN… off press…..

    Lovie is getting ready now for the games in January….(5 months away)…

    Team “Disappointed”.

  228. Erik with Clean Athletics Says:

    For people thinking that was a fluke performance, I will bet anyone anything that Mariota finishes in the Top-5 in QB Rating this season. Any takers? He’s the #1 QB in the league after Week 1…. And my prediction for Mariota’s season of him having 30 total TD’s and only 3 picks (which people scoffed at) actually looks like I’ve underestimated him. He’s on pace right now for 64 TD passes and 0 picks. (Although he’s obviously not going to keep THAT pace)

  229. OAR Says:

    I actually am afraid when we play an average defensive team too.

  230. celly Says:

    I’d love to see how much better this team (and Winston) would do if Evans had been in the game to draw some of the double coverage away from Jackson, freeing up some more one-on-one situations AS WELL AS committing to the run early and often.

    Hard for me to fully judge Winston’s performance when he was missing his top target and 1000yard receiver.

    I definitely think yesterday was an eye-opener for Winston. He learned that the worst NFL player is better than the best NCAA player. That first INT, was a bad decision. I wish they would’ve tried to establish the run first, but hey, what can do you. The second one, I don’t knock him all the way for. The defender fell and he thought he could just float it over his head.

    I paid my $200 for NFL Sunday Ticket To Go, so I hope things get better.

    BuccaneerBonzai Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 11:59 am

    @The Buc Racist

    You may as well not even speak to me. I don’t intend to pay much attention to you going forward. I don’t care for trolls.

    Best response I’ve read in weeks.

    Joe Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 12:09 pm

    Just a warning to all:

    Those using multiple usernames will be banned. Joe’s tired of playing games.

    You know who you are (including a certain someone who is using five different usernames).

    For the love of GOD, I would love for you to point them out. I’ve had my own suspicion for a while, but I’d love the concrete proof.

  231. BrianBucs Says:

    Yes, the Buc’s defense was absolutely attrocious yesterday. However, there were a few occasions where Winston put them in bad positions

  232. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Well thought out post and I agree with everything down to Lovie…and I can’t honestly say I even disagree with that.

    I’m just more like Lord C in Lovie panic mode right now!!!

  233. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Of course there were some positives from yesterday’s game.

    Doug Martin looked pretty good, of course almost every decent run he made was wiped out by an O-line penalty.

    ASJ actually caught some passes, but of course had to look like the assclown he is by showboating to the end zone when his team was down by nearly 40 points.

    And I think our punter looked better than Michael Koenen.

    So there you have it.

  234. unbelievable Says:


    Can’t even type today.

  235. Yungry Says:

    Give it up for “America’s Quarterback” Marcus Mariota!!!! 4 tds before halftime and a PERFECT QB rating…. We all knew Marcus would be a superstar except for a few losers who claim to know talent when they see it. NewS FlasH: Winston is a turnover machine, did u think because he is in the NFL it would get better? lol

  236. Buc1987 Says:

    Erik…stay tuned. I might take that bet by week 3.

  237. bucrightoff Says:

    celly Says:
    For the love of GOD, I would love for you to point them out. I’ve had my own suspicion for a while, but I’d love the concrete proof.

    Hint: Look at who posted a lot before Joe’s warning, and look how little said poster posted afterwards. Answer is right there for everyone to see.

  238. Buc1987 Says:

    Yungry…we also knew that Lovie’s defense was garbage. It was garbage last season and it’s even worse this season. See what your hero Mariota does next week against an average NFL defense and not a garbage one. Then come back running your mouth again about how good MM is going to be.

  239. Cannon Says:

    I’m not giving up on JW. Its premature.

    However, the pick 6 on his very first pass took the life right out of the team.

    Seriously, that one play was a back breaker.

    Take a look at our next defensive series… did the D look like it had ANY fire?

    A lot about this game is emotional.

    The Titans went right down the field, and Mariota scored a touchdown on his first drive. Meanwhile, Jameis threw a pick 6 on his FIRST NFL throw.

    That play literally sucked every bit of juice out of this team (which is inexcusable, but understandable)

    This team has become accustomed to losing. 5 minutes into the game, they knew they were going to lose. You could see it in their play.

  240. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    What Mariota did to Lovie’s D is no different than what Derek Anderson 3rd string Panthers QB did to Lovie’s D last season.

    Uh not to nitpick but we lost that game 20-14 not 42-14. We actually had a chance to win that game. After Jameis pick six the game was over!

    Nobody wants to give this defense any excuses and they don’t deserve any, but a pick six in that situation was not confidence inspiring…tripping over your own feet..losing the grip on the ball..bad least twice…no excuse but understandable how a D might realize that game was over by the 2nd Q.

  241. DoNUTS Says:

    I though the kicking game looked good. Signed- Man U fans..

  242. clwjb Says:

    Sitting in section 219, we were all so excited and juiced for the season….none expect perfection, or even the playoffs, just give us a solid 7-9 with some hope….4 minutes into the game we are ready for our money back..not one thing has changed in the way the Bucs play –

    I re-read the Athlons write up in 2013 about 2 am while suffering still from this beat down….about 6 people left from the projected 2 deep chart from two years ago – GMC/LV/Banks/Doug/VJ/Dotson

    So Lovie and JL have changed the entire roster, yet we get EXACTLY the same result….

    So sad, but it time to move on from LOVIE – he is CLUELESS!!!!!!!

  243. WalkdaPlank Says:

    87 you know better than to take bets from Erik.

  244. BrianBucs Says:

    Having Mike Eveans may have made a small difference but I doubt it. Also, the Titans were playing without a couple of their corners including McCourty, their #1 corner. Plus Evans doesn’t play defense

  245. bucrightoff Says:

    Another atrocious stat for Lovie that makes you miss Schiano: Lovie has three 25+ point losses in 17 games…Schiano had two in 32 games. So if you thought it couldn’t be worse than Schiano, think again.

  246. Buc1987 Says:

    StPeteBucsFan….Uh the defense is worse this season than last. Stay tuned.

  247. Buc1987 Says:

    Conte, Major Wright, Jennings, Jenkins?????????????

    Go away Lovie….and soon!

  248. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    GREAT point!

  249. Yungry Says:

    1987 You got exactly who you wanted! Enjoy your quarterback(America’s interception king) Marcus will destroy the Browns next Sunday. Trust me I’ll be here to tell you every week I told you so… Get used to it

  250. gotbbucs Says:

    Gave my 7 year old son permission to go ahead and find a new team to root for yesterday. I will continue on for the time being suffering through this mess, but there is no point in forcing my young boy who loves football to learn bad habits from this group of losers.

    Jamies will get better this season, this defense will not.

  251. Buc1987 Says:

    Yungry…you won’t be here next week telling me anything about Mariota. You’ll go into hiding and YES, yes I did get what I wanted. I got the QB that I wanted and will be the better QB for the Bucs in the long run. It will take years for me to change my mind about that. Mariota has convinced me of nothing yet, but you can get all riled up over yesterday for him for nothing if you like.

    I’m still a Bucs fan and am happy with the QB that wee selected.

    Fire Lovie Smith asap.

  252. Yungry Says:

    Looks like Dolphins games will get higher viewer ratings this year than the Bucs in the Tampa market. This fan base is being split up. Jameis will get better, we’re married to him so let’s all get comfortable with ints.At least Orlando doesn’t have to watch this trash anymore.

  253. Cobraboy Says:

    Our OB is “JaMarcus McLeftwich.”

    The horrible footwork, decision-making and pass telegraphing of JaMarcus making Russell, the slow-footedness & huge wind-up of Byron Leftwich, and passion of Josh McCown.

    Get used to it.

    To hit Lovie’s team goal of +3 turnovers a game, the D will need at least 5 per game…

  254. Connor Says:

    Back when Gruden was coaching the Bucs, it would ruin my Sunday and days following if my Buccaneers lost. I guess that’s because that we got to at least enjoy a winning/playoff season every other year at the very least.

    We’ve been horrendously bad since 2009 (minus 2010), and so it’s gotten to the point where a Bucs loss doesn’t even hurt me anymore. I’m so used to it now. Not just losing, but overall just horrendously bad football being displayed every weekend.

  255. Yungry Says:

    @ 1987 Go Bucs, Go Winston! Agree fire Lovie 646 days since last home win. Saints will be pissed on Sunday after losing this week and having their home opener.

  256. BrianBucs Says:

    @ 1987

    You are really sounding major butthurt today because Mariota came in here and made your man-crush Winston look really horrible by comparison. If you really want to deflect from that today and just keep criticizing Lovie, then you should criticize him for his biggest mistake yet – drafting Winston instead of Mariota. Speak bad all you want to about Mariota to deflect from your guy Winston, but Mariota will be the better pro QB with the better career. Man up bud

  257. Clodhopper Says:

    When the Lovable dunce says not to over react about the first game, I think he is talking to the hyperbolic Mariota lovers.

  258. Cobraboy Says:

    Mariota looked completely polished and except for one play, looked like a seasoned veteran. Did his uni even get dirty?

    Winston looked like a poor excuse for a rookie QB.

  259. Soggy Says:

    All Teams will go all out more than usual to beat the bucs because they don’t want to be the rare team that can’t beat the bucs.. That is why it’s another reason for winning early in the season is so important, let alone the division playoff run and team spirits.. We are marked as losers.. Simple as that..

  260. Yungry Says:

    Excuses are for losers! Either you get the job done OR you don’t… Its very simple.
    *But he hasn’t taken a snap under center before?
    *But he has never been in a huddle?
    *But his offense in college won’t translate?
    *But he isn’t more pro-ready?

  261. Buc1987 Says:

    Connor …ya know Schiano lost a lot of close games. They weren’t as horrendously bad like they are under Lovie. Downright atrocious what took place at home in front of a sold out crowd. The Bucs selling out? That only time happens during Ring of Honor games and when the Packers come to town. These were mostly Buc fans and they came out even more flat and unprepared than last season’s opener. I was at the game yesterday. I left before half time.

    Unfortunately my mother got me tickets for my birthday to the Jags game. I don’t even know if I want to go watch them lose to the Jaguars at this point.

  262. Buc1987 Says:

    @Yungry and Cobraboy….do you feel better now?

  263. BigMacAttack Says:

    We had a great crowd yesterday, loud and pumped up starting on defense. First big hit BAM! Crowd erupted, then yellow laundry. Fans were still into it until the first Tennessee TD. Ok, ok, we’re still good, we can come back. Let’s go Jameis! Crowd behind him all the way, then BAM, pick 6. Crowd is silenced and Lovie and his traveling circus just crapped all over their fan base again. You could feel the energy before the game with the Para-commandos jumping into the stadium with perfect landings, one was a woman. It was badass. It was the highlight of the game actually. We’re all fans and enough is enough, going backwards, deeper and deeper, further and further, into the abyss. I really expected more yesterday, way more. Did I expect a win? Maybe but I knew Mariota was good and we should have picked him. Hey, but I’m still behind Jameis now. He’s our QB

  264. DoNUTS Says:

    Our QB is “JaMarcus McLeftwich.”

    Cobra– That was great…..thanks for the laugh!! needed it…

  265. BucFan20 Says:

    Will you get off the Evans excuse! Winston could not even hit him in preseason.
    One lucky it was not a pick 6 score or it would have been 42-7. Even that was after they quit and called off the hounds. The FANS are beat down! We are tired of backing a team that does not care. If they did they would put a good product on the field.

  266. BigMacAttack Says:

    I’m hoping for a 3pm Glazer Press Conference to fire the POS HC.

  267. Buccfan37 Says:

    The game was over so quickly watching at home I felt gypped. I guess that’s better than a nailbiter, to a nailbiter.

  268. daver Says:

    Hey Glazers: hire a gm and let him pick the coach. like many other teams. You might have better luck.

  269. BucTired Says:

    I don’t think any conclusions can be made regarding anyone new and/or a rookie on the offense based on yesterday’s game. It’s only one game. For the defense however, this is supposed to be a continuation of improvement. All I heard about last year was how the defense closed out the year strong and that the players were finally trusting/learning the scheme. But look at this??? It was like a ranked college team offense playing a Division I-AA defense.

  270. Level Headed Poster Says:

    Jameis didn’t play well that’s a FACT. BUT he doesn’t play corner and he doesn’t call plays either. I KNOW when we hired Koetter we all envisioned us being exactly like the Falcons offensively. For Lovie to be such a defensive guru why is it so hard to stop a slant route? They literally scored off the same play. Bucs D made Kendall Wright look like Jerry Rice. First pass by Jamies was lazy, I concur. But in the end Jamies will be the better QB in my opinion. It DOESN’T MATTER IF WE DRAFTED MARIOTA OR NOT BECAUSE THE ORGANIZATION IS INCOMPETENT. We wouldn’t have used him right anyway! We get REVIS we run zone! We have FREEMAN we tell him not to scramble. ITS THE SAME SHIT DIFFERENT YEAR! Until we have a coach with some heart or draft players with mean streaks this WILL NOT change. Why are the Bucs getting slaughtered by 35 in the 4th and players are helping up the Titans off the ground? Why is ASJ high-stepping to the endzone and were getting killed? Why is V-JAX smiling after getting and offensive pass interference call? We have to change the mindset before we can win!

  271. Yungry Says:

    Bucs’ defense=Swiss cheese —-In other news! Alcohol sales hit records in the Tampa Bay area Sunday…

  272. meat Says:

    I am just like all of you on a Bucs blog mid-week. A die-hard loyal fan- I have the license plates, go to games when I can every year etc. Lovie has made me hate the Bucs- someone in the comments yesterday said something powerful: “If we offered Mccoy, L. David, and Jameis to the Titans for Marriota right now, they would decline that trade. Sad but true…… we suck again- I will only applaud a bold move- FIRING THIS GUY and then hiring a GM with an IQ above your average DT.

  273. Name Required Says:

    Pass rush required on the front four to work. Talent not in front four. Defense ignored 2 years straight in the draft. Seems simple to me.

  274. Joe Cool Says:


    …actually only against Lovie Smith’s Defense. Or lack, thereof.

  275. Buc1987 Says:

    Somewhere in Tennessee there’s Titan’s fans that are saying wow what a great game the Titans played yesterday, Mariota looks really good.

    Then other Titan’s fans will chime in and say yeah but it was only against the Bucs.

    Not Mariota clingers though. Those Buc fans that are still clinging onto Mariota, even though he’s not a Buc. To them Mariota was a football God yesterday.

  276. meat Says:

    the team Jameis was on last year had a better offensive line- he had so MUCH TIME playing with the best other 10 on the field. That Leftwich-like delivery is fine if you have all day behind the best 5-stars there are….. I wish I could find all my pro Marriotta comments from the last year and consolidate them; it would once again allow me to feel like I am superior to the joke of a front office Malcom’s boys have assembled with his $$$$$$.

  277. Joe Cool Says:

    Winston also had better fantasy numbers than a lot of other QB’s in the league….that have played for a while. Including the ELITE Joe Flacco.

  278. Cobraboy Says:

    @1987: it takes a whileto recover from perhaps the most embarassing moment in Buc football for a long time.

    Even the beatdown at the Falcons last year wasn’t as bad IMO.

    The entire press corp & most blogs have been touting a “much improved” team & QB,and it took all of 5minutes of the fist game, at home, to show what complete nonsense that hype was.

    I’m embarassed for myself, a knowledgeable fan, for buying into the hype. I must be getting soft in the noggin’.

    And FTR for those comparing Mariots to RGIII: Mariota didn’t really show off his running skills yesterday. Mobility, yes. I can recall only one actual planned running play, and not once did he feel a tad of pressure, pull the ball down & just run, vis-a-vis RGIII.

    How dumb are Bucs D coaches to think TN wouldn’t have a bunch of read options planned…Mariota’s strength as a player?

    It’s hard to think this Bucs may be worse than last years. But unless this team does a 180° turnin performance & attitude in a week, on the road, against a solid, well-coached team who will be pissed off…well, that may be what has happened…

  279. Buc1987 Says:

    Cobraboy…the defense is much worse than last season. Stay tuned. Brees is going to eat them for lunch. The score will be nearly as high.

    Lovie’s days are numbered.

  280. (Formerly Jolly) Bucs Fan Says:

    We would lose to a highschool team right now

  281. Buc1987 Says:

    Maybe that’s what it will take. 3 straight blowouts, by the Titans, the Saints and then the Texans.

    Will they fire Lovie then?

  282. BFFL Says:

    Scout X…Mariota has extreme accuracy, quick release, unflappable demeanor, runs a 4.4, tall and makes great decisions

    Glazer…Winston will sell tickets and that is who you will pick

    Lovie….what’s a QB, what are we talking about?

    Licht…Yes sir Mr. Glazer, I will pick Winston

  283. BucFan20 Says:

    At least nobody can blame it on Leonard Johnson. They suck even worse with out him!

  284. Connor Says:

    This just in: Crown Royal, Maker’s Mark, Fireball, Patron, and Jack Daniels will open distribution centers in Tampa due to historically high demand of their products in the area.

  285. KW Buc Says:

    BFFL — 100% correct. Always believed that


    BFFL Says:

    Scout X…Mariota has extreme accuracy, quick release, unflappable demeanor, runs a 4.4, tall and makes great decisions

    Glazer…Winston will sell tickets and that is who you will pick

    Lovie….what’s a QB, what are we talking about?

    Licht…Yes sir Mr. Glazer, I will pick Winston

  286. unbelievable Says:

    Well, sounds like we’re all healed.

  287. Bucco Brice Says:

    Lovie Sucks…”Simple As That”…

  288. BrianBucs Says:


    Did you go back home last night and cry yourself to sleep after
    seeing Mariota become the NFL golden boy for a day and Winston look like a bad version of Byron Leftwich?
    Poor 1987. Fantasyland faced reality

  289. BrianBucs Says:


    Did you go back home last night and cry yourself to sleep after
    seeing Mariota become the NFL golden boy for a day and Winston look like a bad version of Byron Leftwich?
    Poor 1987. Fantasyland faced reality.

  290. Buc1987 Says:

    Certain things in life suck. Being a Bucs fan is one of them.

    Would make for a great bumper sticker for the bay area.

  291. OAR Says:

    “Winston also had better fantasy numbers than a lot of other QB’s in the league….that have played for a while. Including the ELITE Joe Flacco.”
    Really??? Big F’n deal!! How do fantasy numbers matter in the real world of NFL football and my Bucs record?
    Fantasy footballers have ruined the fan sport of football.

  292. CC Says:

    My sources told me Urban Myers has been contacted by the Glazers.

  293. CC Says:


  294. Posey99 Says:

    Joe Cool Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
    Winston also had better fantasy numbers than a lot of other QB’s in the league….that have played for a while. Including the ELITE Joe Flacco.

    ……………….Grasping for anything……………

  295. DallasBuc Says:

    Incompetent Lovie Smith is making Raheem Morris look like Jimmy Johnson and Greg Schiano looking like Bill Walsh.
    They had their share bad losses and poor performances but they had legit excuses for not getting it done. What the hell is Lovie’s effing excuse? He got to hire his own GM, an open checkbook, a team in great cap shape, quality players at 3 technique and will LB, total benefit of doubt by the owners and the whole community backing him. The worst HC in Bucs history?

  296. Buc1987 Says:

    BrianBucs…the guy that only comes around when he has something negative to say about Winston or his team. Scroll up and read my comments about what I thought about the game and Mariota. I’m not repeating myself for a fool such as you. I can tell you one thing before you read it. I’m not worried about Winston at all and I’m still doubting Mariota until he faces an average to below average D vs a garbage one like Lovie’s.

  297. OAR Says:

    Sometimes in life you ride shotgun….when you’re a Buc’s fan, you ride in the trunk!

  298. Posey99 Says:

    “Buc1987 Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
    Certain things in life suck. Being a Bucs fan is one of them.

    Would make for a great bumper sticker for the bay area.”

    That’s not what you were saying a few months ago. Besides you just said its only one game and winston will be the better quarterback in the long run, so why does being a bucs fan suck? I mean we just drafted the best quarterback since andrew luck!!! wow

  299. Bucco Brice Says:

    FIRE LOVIE…”Simple As That”..

  300. HarlemBuc Says:

    Wow, so ummmm that happened…
    Let’s calm down on the buyer’s remorse with Jameis though… I agree this debacle was firmly in lovie’s hands… His clipboard and yesterday’s game plan should be buried in a nuclear waste facility or else it’ll poison all the water in the Bay Area… Lovie, dude you really let us down
    Wassup JoeFans… Long time, I missed y’all bro!

  301. Bucco Brice Says:

    MARIOTA IS BETTER…”Simple As That”…

  302. ocalabuc Says:

    i said from the BEGINNING:

    MARIOTA was the way to go

  303. ElioT Says:

    There is no franchise on earth that can completely DESTROY the hopes of thousands of fans so quickly…

    Just unreal how fast they took all the optimism out of the season.

    Really seems like this team is cursed.

    Only 15 weeks to go till the off season!

    Go Sucs!

  304. BFFL Says:

    Glazer…Hi Joe, how are you
    Glazer…Hey, if you help me sell Winston, then I will grant you special access and help promote your website
    Joe…sounds great Mr. Glazer
    Glazer…no get of here ans suck on my knob

  305. Buc1987 Says:

    Posey99…what exactly did I say a few months ago? I’ve been predicting all summer this team was going to win 4-6 games tops.

    BTW Andrew Luck had 4 INT’s in his first game.

  306. Bucco Brice Says:

    SEASON OVER WITH 11:48 LEFT IN 1ST QUARTER…”Simple As That”…

  307. CC Says:

    Eagles 70 Bucs 17

  308. BrianBucs Says:


    Denial is a loooong river…………………………….

  309. Yungry Says:

    Who do you guys think we should take #1 in the 2016 Draft?

  310. FireLovieNow Says:

    OK, I’m done. Sick and tired of this happy horsespit. It’s not just that Lovie has not won, this team has not even improved. Actually, they have gotten worse! How in the hell can you not win a home game in 9 tries? Even bad teams win “accidentally”. Not us – not one freaking win in 9 home games. Folks, that’s not bad – that is historically awful. And we didn’t just lose – on the biggest stages, our team was KILLED/DESTROYED/EMBARRASSED. Every Sunday – we aren’t prepared. Every Sunday, I watch Lovie fall behind and then stare at the scoreboard with some dazed and confused look on his face that makes it clear he has no idea what in the hell is going on. He needs to go NOW. Promote Koetter until the end of the season. If he does well, he keeps the gig next year. If he doesn’t, then do whatever you have to do to get someone in here who freaking understands football and who can freaking evaluate talent. Keeping Lovie on as HC is like trying to make poop taste good by covering it with icecream… it’s still poop! End rant.

  311. Buc1987 Says:

    BrianBucs…after 1 game? It’s looong over?

    Are you 5?

  312. Bucco Brice Says:

    JOEY BOSA IS A BUC…”Simple As That”…

  313. Buc1987 Says:

    I also predicted Winston will throw around 20-25 picks this season….so I don’t know wth anyone is talking about. I never said Winston was going to light up the field in his rookie season. I never said it. I said lots of ups and downs this year like most rookies.

    Mariota will have a rough season too. You squawkers just don’t want to wait a couple of weeks to see if it was just Lovie’s D (which it was) or Mariota is some star in the making. I’ll wait, I’m not saying anything bad about him. I’ll just say I’ll wait to see who’s the better QB by midseason and not after one game.

  314. Bucco Brice Says:

    BUCS WILL MOVE TO L.A. …”Simple As That”…

  315. Buc1987 Says:

    Lovie’s D is good for atleast 3-4 more routs this season.

  316. Drew Says:

    The Savior while attempting to walk on water drowned. I’m in this for the painfully long hall. Cheers (Kentucky Moonshine) to the 2016 #1 Draft Pick (another savior) DE who may walk on water or at a minimum drown like this one did.

    The Buc’s are 53 players away from being competitive. Statistically speaking I’ll need to live to be 183 to see a competitive Buc team.

  317. Carl's Toe Says:

    Stevie Wonder as GM would have chosen Marcus! This was the biggest No Brainer in draft history! Never bet on an idiot!

  318. Bucco Brice Says:


  319. David Says:

    I knew the team would start rough. I knew the offense would take time to gel. I knew the problems at defensive end were not really addressed yet.

    When you prepare for it, and it comes, it doesn’t bother you as much. I’m completely chilled. Because I know the team we see now is not the team we will see by game nine.

    I have plenty of patience.

    If anyone is willing to listen for a change, I do have some words of encouragement.

    Game by game, the Buccaneers will steadily improve. It will start next week. No, I’m not promising a win. I’m saying the team performance will be better than this week. And then the next game will be slightly better than the last. And so on…

    …so don’t give up. It’s coming. You just had to face the likelihood that it will take a little time.
    Are you Kidding us with that B.S.? Hell if your right, “all we need is time” & ” we will get better every week”, then Mariota should be A HOF Quarterback by seasons end. Mariota didn’t need anymore time, neither did his 2-14 teamates.

  320. tdtb2015 Says:

    @Bucco Brice – I thought of that too. The Glazer will loose the fan base by the bye week. Even the people that shoot the cannons will call in sick on Sundays…

  321. BrianBucs Says:

    How would you like to have been Jason Licht yesterday sitting in the owner’s box with the Glazer family watching your free agents get toasted, your #1 draft pick QB looking like a bad version of Byron Leftwich, your defense which is suppose to be the strength of your team getting trounced by the rookie QB you passed on and listening to the home crowd booing your team and watching your stadium empty out before the game is over? PRICELESS

  322. tdtb2015 Says:

    @Bucco Brice – I thought of that too.(Bucs moving to LA)

  323. Simpleasthat Says:

    i heard all the hype all week long about how the Bucs had the more talented roster and how this was the most winnable game. you can have all the talent in the world (and imo we don’t) if you don’t have chemistry its makes no difference. Its as simple as that.

  324. tdtb2015 Says:

    @BrianBucs – Just like the game your comments are cold! lol

  325. tdtb2015 Says:

    @Bucs1987 – You call that a game? Were you cheering for the Titans????

  326. Dave Says:

    Jesus this guy Buc 1987 post like 2000 post a day on here, GET A LIFE AND A JOB

  327. Patrick in VA Says:

    Had a thought that may have been addressed already but I haven’t read much about the Bucs today. Didn’t feel like wallowing. What are the chances that the coaches are playing the long game here and figured that, since the Oregon style offense is obviously an anomaly in the league, perhaps they focused their preparation efforts on more conventional nfl style offenses and decided to take the one Tennessee loss in order to be better prepared for more wins down the road. Granted, that seems a little thin even to me, but there’s really very little else to hold on to. I guess next week will tell us more

  328. tdtb2015 Says:

    @Bonzai – give it up! There is no one to fix. Everybody is venting. Go practice Kung Fu or whatever gives you the title of Bonzai! lol

  329. CC Says:

    Urban Meyer is on the clock with the Bucs first pick in the NFL draft. There will be a change at head coach.

  330. Yungry Says:

    Please stop using Andrew Luck and Jamarcus Winston in the same sentence. This is a huge insult to #12. Winston needs to be compared to somebody who completes less than 50% of his passes.

  331. Greg Says:

    Joe FSU fan got what he wanted. Fooled all of you into thinking he was Americas Quarterback. Im not hating on Jameis but Mariota was always waay better on any film. Aside from that for a moment… our defense still sucks. Our DEs are undersized and cant pass rush or run stop. As they were last year. OL showed improvement but we will all again have to live with the fact that we had a chance to draft a special player but went with a FSU Jimbo Fisher reject and it will hurt us for 5 years.

    Jameis only played 2 years and in his second lead ALL quarterbacks in interceptions! How does that get you drafted #1 overall? Easy have owners who think we are too stupid to see it was because he would start off selling tickets. Well that lasted 1 game.

  332. tdtb2015 Says:

    @Patrick – Is a continuation of last year.

    BTW we got a backup center from Atlanta… Wo hoooo.

  333. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Just for Mariota fans – I just went and logged all his passes.

    He had 2 completions total that were not described as “short” passes in the box score. His 3 incompletions came on the only 5 passes described as “deep” passes. so 2-5 on non-short passes

    First TD to Wright was wide open over the middle read-option.
    TD to Sankey was on a roll out easy toss to wide open RB right in front of him.
    TD to Douglas was most impressive since he had to thread in coverage.
    4th TD to Walker was easy with him just standing there free of coverage 5 yards in front of him.

    I promise you – if the Bucs had their 1st read WRs running wide open over the middle on like 8-10 plays like the Titans did we likely are completing the same damn plays & passes.

    Andrew Luck had worse numbers than Winston on Sunday. 16 more passes for only 40 more yards same 2 TDs and 2 Ints.

    The biggest thing I learned charting these Mariota passes is how terribly Lovie dealt with the read option and never adjusted by taking away the short middle of the field. All the damage was coming on insanely similar read option plays but the defense had no answer.

  334. Drew Says:

    I turned my 2002 Super Bowl helmet into a collection bowl with the hope of collecting enough funds to put an end to baby Seal clubbing in Tampa Bay.

    All contributions are appreciated and if you’re unable to consciously contribute, then please look for and purchase the L&L baby Seal club being offered on e-bay. All sales proceeds will be donated to this fund.

  335. Lord Cornelius Says:

    I was impressed by Mariota’s throw to their TE on 3rd and long; as well as a pass to Harry Douglas. And in general his quick release is what allows them to run the read option effectively.

    But other than that I don’t see anything special about hitting a guy 5-7 yards in front of you who is running wide open across the middle. Or hitting a RB wide open in the flat. Or hitting your TE while he waves at you 5 yards away in the end zone wide open. The only thing special about all that is how bad the defense had to be to allow those things to occur

  336. CC Says:

    Lovie just said the D had success on3rd and long. Are you f*cking kidding me.

  337. Connor Says:

    @Carl’s Toe

    Or Ray Charles

  338. Buc1987 Says:

    Lord Cornelius…careful now the clingers will call everything you said excuses and denial.

    Hey I thought you were done with the comments section…lol

  339. Bucco Brice Says:


  340. Buc1987 Says:

    Peyton Manning threw 28 picks in his rookie season.

    For some reason I have a feeling I’m going to be typing that all season long.

  341. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    ” Agree fire Lovie 646 days since last home win.”

    I don’t think you can blame lovie for all of those. Considering he has only been here a year.

  342. Joe Says:

    But other than that I don’t see anything special about hitting a guy 5-7 yards in front of you who is running wide open across the middle.

    Thank you.

  343. Bucco Brice Says:


  344. donny Says:

    @ Erik I’ll take that bet right now. Get back to me after he faces the Browns, Jets and Pats defense. This is more about Lovie Dovies incompetence rather than MMs competence. BTW- I would have been happy with MM, but thought #3 was the best long term choice.

  345. BrianBucs Says:

    Mariota 2, Winston 0 Enough Said

  346. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “Buc1987 Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 3:48 pm
    Lord Cornelius…careful now the clingers will call everything you said excuses and denial.

    Hey I thought you were done with the comments section…lol”

    I wanted to but I had to come eat crow for the animosity amigos. They were right about Lovie and I was wrong and I don’t mind admitting it. I hope Lovie wakes up from whatever nightmare he is in and proves me wrong but for now I have no faith after that sh1t.

    People can call my description of Mariota’s offense excuses but it’s simply the damn facts of the game. If someone can show me like 10 plays where TB’s WRs were running wide open across the middle of the field within a few seconds of the ball being snapped in the 1st half then maybe there is an equal playing field to compare the QBs but that wasn’t the case and everyone knows it.

    Regardless Mariota still outplayed Jameis because Jameis threw two bad interceptions and stumbled on a few plays while Mariota’s worst play was just that sack that was within milliseconds of being a fumble that would have made the game 21-14 with the entire 2nd quarter almost to be played.

    To think that if they simply didn’t call him down as quick as they did he would have had his own pick 6 of sorts and the game would be down to 1 score.

    Instead we get the ball back and miss on that 4th down conversion and they score making it 28-7 after Winston only had 4 possessions. Winston only had 2 pass attempts when the score was 21-0. HUGELY different scenarios for each QB to operate under when it comes to the situations of the game and how the rest of their teams played.

    But screw context and screw trying to really break down the game. Mariota is obviously a HOF SB winning QB after one week and Winston is a colossal failure I guess

  347. bucrightoff Says:

    BuccaneerBonzai Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
    ” Agree fire Lovie 646 days since last home win.”

    I don’t think you can blame lovie for all of those. Considering he has only been here a year.

    He’s been the coach for about 615 days, so I don’t really know who else there is to blame. Schiano still? Maybe Raheem? Stretch real big and blame it on Bruce Allen? Kanye?

  348. Tnew Says:

    No way we were prepared for the read option. The way you take that option away is make the QB a running back by taking away all of the other options. Sure he goes for 7 plus yards a run but you hit him hard enough that he doesn’t want to pull the ball out. This is the flaw of the system. Running backs last how long? Prove to me that you can pay a qb like a rb and then I’ll jump on the revolution is coming.

    My issue is that we gave Mariotta the easy option nearly every time. I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong if in three weeks he still looks like this.

    Group I’m most concerned with is the linebackers. Supposedly the strength of this team, looked hesitant. A bad decision made violently is better than the perfect read a quarter second late.

  349. Joe Cool Says:

    Really bro? Pulling the whole, “enough said”? LOL. Actually the BUCS (not Winston) is 0-1. ENOUGH SAID. ^^^^^

  350. WalkdaPlank Says:


    Yup and anybody who doubted Winston or pointed out his flaws was deemed a “hater”.

    BTW, spout off about INT’s all you want, that’s far from all that was wrong with Jameis in game 1.

  351. Posey99 Says:

    “Joe Says:
    September 14th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
    But other than that I don’t see anything special about hitting a guy 5-7 yards in front of you who is running wide open across the middle.

    Thank you.”

    Somebody record this. Joe still on the bashing Mariota train.

  352. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Tried to reply to you earlier 87 but didn’t go through.

    I wanted to come eat crow today for the animosity amigos and lovie haters. I was wrong and you all were right. I felt I owed them that.

    I am on the anti-lovie bandwagon until he can prove me wrong. That was pathetic

  353. Lord Cornelius Says:


    I agree that Winston played a bad game. He had a few nice throws but for the most part made too many mistakes early.

    I mainly just think the people anointing Mariota are being extremely naïve and short sighted and don’t realize how absolutely easy the defense made it on the Titans

  354. Yungry Says:

    @ Joe,

    Let’s get another, Would you rather have Marcus or Winston poll?

  355. Pruritus Ani Says:

    Seven years Joe…Seven years….It’s not about Jameis, Marriotta, Schiano, the Muscle Hamster, Aquib, Freeman, or anyone else.. The organization went downhill after the old man gave the keys to the kids and Gruden was canned. It was never the same after that.

  356. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Lord Cornelius

    I agree, Mariota isn’t as good as the Bucs made him out to be, but Winston also isn’t as good as Bucs fans made him out to be either. I’m not giving up on him yet.

  357. J Says:

    Leaking starts when you stop hyping players Joe.

  358. J Says:


  359. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “I agree, Mariota isn’t as good as the Bucs made him out to be, but Winston also isn’t as good as Bucs fans made him out to be either. I’m not giving up on him yet.”

    I just hope the team can be OK enough to keep games close and give Winston a chance to win in the 4th quarter because that has been his strength.

    Mariota had a losing record in close games in college while Winston was undefeated in those situations. Most NFL games are close games. These were the kind of reasons I liked Winston

    Either way Im not really forming a strong opinion for their careers until at least a season and even then I think QBs need 2-3 years to really know how good they can be

  360. Cobraboy Says:

    So what if Mariota dinked & dunked the Bucs? GREAT QB’s & game planning take what the D gives them, and that’s exactly what Mariota did.

    Near perfect QB rating.

    JaMarcus Winston? Nothing but excuses from his sycophants.

  361. Cobraboy Says:

    BTW, the entire world called this game a “Must Win.” Not a “Must Fight Hard” or “Must Keep It Close.” No. A “Must Win.”

    And the team goes get a seal clubbing by a team just slightly worse that they were last season?


    Imagine what could happen in future games that aren’t “must win…”

    Someone explain to me where the “silver lining” is in this last game and team…

  362. DallasBuc Says:

    Cobra- the silver lining is that no one has called me any names today (although Bonzai talked dirty to me) for calling out Incompetent Lovie Smith relentlessly since he went and hired his own lapdog GM.

  363. MadMax Says:

    That Cinci game in preseason got me really excited….what happened to that team of players?

    I dont know. Im revising my 5-6 win prediction down to 2-3 wins.

    Get it together D!!!

  364. J Says:

    Shoulda drafted Teddy

  365. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “Near perfect QB rating.

    JaMarcus Winston? Nothing but excuses from his sycophants.”

    Did you watch the game man? Do you really think Winston had a bunch of easy passes he missed? Did you see the types of throws Mariota had to make? It was a f*cking joke 80% of the time.

    Not an excuse. Just reality & a description of it. But live in whatever world you want to

  366. Cobraboy Says:

    L & L’s long-range plan:

  367. Chris K Says:

    87, I gotta ask you man. You’re now on record in saying Winston will throw a lot of picks this season where you will have to refer to Peyton’s rookie stats for justification. I to believe most rookie Qb’s will struggle. What you don’t seem to understand is how much of a contradiction that is to the while “pro ready” argument, the whole “he’s a football genius” argument. What is the flaw or flaws that’s gonna make him continue to throw all these interceptions. Once you start answering that question you will begin to understand why the doubters say what they do. You can start with the obvious of staring down his primary receiver and that huge windup in his throwing notion… You, Joe and a few others promised us greatness. Now it’s time for you to see all the flaws that non FSU fans and other football fans have been trying to point out for a while. I would love to hear your explanation on why you predict him to throw all the interceptions and yet still telling us he’s great.

  368. Mike Johnson Says:

    Thanks for the healing thread here Joe. I live out west now. Born in Tampa..attended and played football at Tampa Catholic A few of us displaced Buc fans (bout 15 of us) got together at our watering hole to watch the Bucs yesterday. We all proudly wore our TB gear. New Year..Go Bucs. I had not even touched my beer and we were down 2 TD’s..then 3. Man you should have seen our little crowd. Other team patrons were cheering their teams while WE..sat there in front of the big screen in utter Shock!! To make matter worse, a coupe Mariotta fans walked by shouting, You guys took the wrong QB!!! We almost clocked him. Man, I never felt so let own. We all left at the end of the 3rd Qtr. I say give Schiano 2 new fishing partners. Loviedub and Lightbulb. That was straightup pitiful. Good thing I memorized the words to Pink Floyds “Comfortably Numb” college. I might need to repeat them often this season!!!

  369. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Chris K I can answer that

    I believe Winston is still built better for long term elite NFL success if he can be on any sort of decent team. For one; he always got better in games he made early mistakes. He is able to correct his mistakes not only in general but mid game. I believe that will translate to long term corrections in his NFL play and also the ability to play well in 2nd half games that are close. And secondly; the guy is simply clutch in any game that is close (or at least historically has been – he still hasn’t lost a close one). When forced to throw Winston was much better than Mariota (i.e. 3rd and long conversions or when there is no run game).

    In the NFL a lot of games are close and a lot of games require you to go into a pass-only mode to win towards the end; and because Winston was better at these things and more willing to make the wow throws that can be necessary that’s why I like him more long term but also think he will throw a lot of picks in the 1st year.

    I don’t know if you people know this; but Winston was down 21-0 before he’d attempted his 3rd pass. That’s a pretty f*cked situation for any QB especially a rookie on a team with no defensive hope.

    Meanwhile Mariota was sitting on a 14-0 lead a few minutes in and probably had all the comfort in the world. I read today that not one of his completions traveled more than 20 yards in the air. But go ahead and crown him if you want

  370. J Says:

    @Joe. Look at New England’s offense recently. All Brady does is hot wide open Aqaba cuz he’s smart enough to quick read and throw. He’s not special? Mariota can be that efficient. That first drive pass to Delanie Walker in double coverage was perfect. That pass he threw to drop low on the 10 during their second TD drive would have left fans in awe were it Jameis. Also most of Jameis’ completions were to wide open VJax and ASJ

  371. J Says:

    Wide open relievers not Aqaba

  372. J Says:

    Can be that Efficient is not what I meant. Played that offense efficiently.

  373. Lakeland Buc Says:

    Let’s not panic folks, we have a long season ahead of us. We will get better, a beat down like this should inspire us to play better. We can still win the NFC South, I believe we get it done. We did some positive things, but the negatives out weighted the positives. We just need to play better, and we will play better.

  374. Cobraboy Says:

    @ Lord Cornelius: Irony.

    I posted “Nothing but excuses from his sycophants”, and right on cue you defend JaMarcus Winston.

    Yes, I saw the game and know a little about it.

    Your guy JaMarcus looked lost nearly the entire time, couldn’t read a defense, and he couldn’t get out of the way of his own feet.

    Please explain how he’s an upgrade over either Josh McCown or Mike Glennon.

    “Ooooohhhhh…but he has moooooore potential!” Right. We said the same thing about Vinny Testaverde, Craig Erickson, Trent Dolfer and even Casey Weldon, for cripe’s sake.

    But don’t take my word for it. How about Boomer Esiason’s:

    ALL I want is for my team to win, or at an absolute minimum look solid trying. I want a solid, smart QB. Neither the team nor JaMarcus Winston even come close. Even as a rookie.

    I refuse to swallow the JaMarcus Winston Rocks Kool-Ade.

    Mike Glennon is standing on the sideline, collecting checks and counting the days until he’s gone.

  375. BUC IT Says:

    First and foremost I want to say Jameis is our QB and we need to support him. 5 minutes after the game started…. fans were running their mouth saying I told you so and we should’ve got Mariota. I agree with that but its not needed. I also wanted Mariota and it made no sense why we wouldn’t get a fast accurate qb with size. But Jameis is our guy…. This humiliation is on Lovie. Our defense was awful. It makes me wish we had Chuck back!

  376. Buc1987 Says:

    Chris K…no need for a long drawn out paragraph just to ask me a simple question. The answer is simple because rookies tend to throw a lot of INT’s that’s why. Just as Andrew Luck threw 4 INT’s in his first game in the league.

    “What you don’t seem to understand is how much of a contradiction that is to the while “pro ready” argument, the whole “he’s a football genius” argument.”

    I understand that I never said any of that stuff. That was said by analysts and “experts” before the draft. I just agree with them and I still do. Do I really have to bring up Manning again and how football smart he is, yet he threw 28 INT’s in his rookie season?

    It’s never been about being a Noles fan for me. I still believe everything I’ve ever said about Jameis. I think he’s going to be an elite QB in the NFL in due time. I’m a Bucs fan first. I didn’t go to yesterday’s game to see Jameis. I went to see the my Bucs. Yep the footwork needs a LOT of work, but he’ll be okay.

  377. BrianBucs Says:

    @ BUC IT

    Those fans were right, Bucs should have drafted Mariota. Every real fan poll showed that before the draft the vast majority of Buc’s fans did not want Winston drafted here.
    However, they did draft him and now he’s our QB, like it or not. We have to support him and hope he does well to help the Bucs win. But lots of fans still have their doubts about him and yesterday he did not help his cause

  378. WalkdaPlank Says:

    4 INTS??? Andrew Luck? That’s simply not true. And although Luck lost his first game I don’t recall him sacking himself, losing grip of the ball, one hopping to receivers, and throwing wobbly brick passes all day. Stop trying to justify Winston’s awful game. Your boy didn’t show up along with the rest of the team. I hope he improves week by week but that was one of the worst games by a Bucs QB in a while.

    Simple as that.

  379. Elle Says:

    I’ve calmed down a lot since yesterday. The frustration still there, the disappointment still there, but at least I don’t feel like smashing my house to bits because of the Bucs. All I have to say at this point is that I want to see this team improve, FAST. However, I have very little faith in Lovie Smith and the rest of the coaching staff. If they can’t make it happen, then then should all walk, possibly even before the end of the season. Start fresh once again, and this time, MAKE SURE TO HIRE COMPETENT PEOPLE.

  380. Bucballya Says:

    Maybe we see now why the Bucs picked up another QB after watching JW so far. The Glazers have made some great hires before (dungy, gruden) lately not too good. I thought Lovie was going to be a good one, not so sure now, especially when he had the opportunity to draft my guy Mariota and did not, apparently not even having Marcus as their 2nd ranked player (what a joke) they will eat crow for that one. Only time will tell for the Bucs and JW, and how long it will take to get the ship turned around, but I think the fans will have to live with the fact that we could have had Marcus, a future elite QB.

  381. Costa Rica John Says:

    We were terrible all the way around yesterday. The losing has to stop. Winston will have his day but it wasn’t yesterday. Marriota was the better QB both times he faced Winston. They both have a future in the NFL. I wish them both well.

  382. J Says:

    Winston will have his day as a Montreal Alouette

  383. Danthebucfan Says:

    Not to add gasoline to the fire, but this whole argument about how bad a qb plays in his first game as some indicator of future success has got to stop.

  384. Cobraboy Says:

    Terrible? That is an understatement.

    You know what’s even more terrible than JaMarcus Winston or the crappy D play?

    Attitude and composure.

    Did anyone catch what some “leader” on defense said, I thnk it might have even been David (not 100% sure). Let me paraphrase: “Oh, when we got flagged for the personal foul & then Jameis threw the pick-6 in the 1st qtr., we lost our juice.”


    A little adversity in the early first quarter of the first game after YOU GUYS hyped how awesome you were loses your juice?

    I was stunned.

    Seriously. Has anyone heard a more pussified statement from a LEADER of an NFL defense in their fan life?

    Can anyone imagine Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, John Lynch, Ronde Barber or Mike Alstott ever mouthing those words? Simeon Rice? Michael Pittman? “Oh, bad things happened so we didn’t play as hard.”


    Fans attending that game should demand a refund.

  385. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    My healing has been stunted by many things (wanted to see Schiano given another “OK MRSA happened last year and Josh went bat sh!t crazy…2014 is your prove it” year…instead got Lovie), I wanted to trade back in the draft to bolster both lines (the way good teams often do it) and roll with Glennon in 2015…we stayed at #1 and took Jameis, and I was hopeful that the Bucs would let Glennon (who has an OC that I believe meshes well with Mike) start the season and see how it goes (gives Jameis time to develop). Yesterday.’a performance was a square kick in the nuts, but taking out the things that are in the past and non-changeable now I would say if Jameis isn’t quite ready yet they should bring in Glennon at some point. I am not writing Jameis off like some here, he may become great or be a bust…way too soon to determine, but the NFL game looks too fast for him at this point. He should have been eased in (bye week?) so the OL could get better. As for firing Lovie, as underwhelming a HC as I think he is I do think he should be given the full season before pulling the plug. 8 or 9 wins are MY bar for Lovie to achieve this year, but the Glaziers will probably be more lenient (it’s their money). I am now putting the Titans game behind me and focusing on NO, hopefully the Bucs do the same. A win will do wonders for easing our frustration. Note to Lovie though…don’t rule out Glennon if Jameis would be better served learning from the bench this year…do whatever gives the team the best chance to win NOW instead of what fans want.

  386. Skyline Crew Says:

    For those comparing Winston’s crap game and 6.5 QBR to Luck and Peyton you should be ashamed of yourself.

  387. Howard Cosell Says:

    Bucballya Says:
    The Glazers have made some great hires before (dungy, gruden)…

    That was Malcolm you freakin moron.
    The sons made ALL of the bad hires.
    The sons don’t give a **** about the Bucs.
    They view Tampa and the Bucs as a way to
    finance ManU and absolutely nothing more.
    They literally have no souls when it comes
    to NFL football.

    I guess I better watch my back after these
    anti-soccer-brat rants, huh?

  388. BucsFanInTokyo Says:

    I am still mad, disappointed, and disgusted.