Glennon’s Chances Of Starting
July 10th, 2015
Chances of starting examined.
Sure, Joe is all about competition. Until there is no competition.
That’s what is happening in the case of quarterback of the past and quarterback of the future and perhaps quarterback of the present, Mike Glennon, and “America’s Quarterback,” Bucs signal-caller Jameis Winston.
Joe is long on record saying Jameis, unless he gets hurt, is your starting quarterback come September. Others are of the mind this is truly an open competition.
In a mailbag on Buccaneers.com, a Bucs fan asked multimedia maven Scott Smith about Glennon’s shot at starting come Week One.
Yes, of course. I’m not saying it’s the expected outcome, or even necessarily the outcome for which the team’s decision-makers are hoping. When you use the first-overall draft pick on a quarterback, as the Bucs did with Jameis Winston in April, you are planning for him to be in the starting lineup for a long time, and you’d prefer that tenure started right away. So I think it’s likely that Winston is on the field on opening day in September.
But we can’t simply ignore the competition at that spot. The Buccaneers’ coaching staff spent the offseason program splitting first-team reps between Winston and Glennon. What’s the point of that if you aren’t in the midst of a long-term evaluation of those two in regards to which one is the best option on opening day? If Glennon significantly outperforms Winston in training camp and the preseason games, I fully believe that Lovie Smith would be willing to start the season with the third-year QB out of NC State.
Smith, like roughly 100% of NFL coaches ever, always insist that there is competition at every spot on the depth chart. He doesn’t just spout it as a blind cliché, however; sometimes he’ll concede that there are certain players – say, Gerald McCoy or Lavonte David – who are relative locks to win those competitions. At other places, like safety or running back, it’s equally clear that the competition is wide open. I would put this year’s quarterback competition somewhere in between those two ends of the spectrum, and probably a little closer to the former situation. The job is probably Winston’s to lose, but Mike Glennon is going to do his best to win it.
This is why Joe thinks it is crazy to believe Glennon will start the season. If Glennon was good enough to start, then why the hell wasn’t he playing last year for turnover-prone Josh McClown, who was positively brutal?
And yes, Joe thought Glennon was better. This is one of the great mysteries of the 2014 season: why Bucs coach Lovie Smith never pulled McClown.
(Joe is sure the conspiracy theorists will weigh in, and they may not be far off in their logic.)
As Joe has written before, the Bucs deemed a new quarterback in the draft necessary, and spent countless hours and tens of thousands of Team Glazer dollars investigating Jameis. If Team Glazer were to be told Glennon is the better way to go, a guy who couldn’t start regularly for a 2-14 team, then Joe believes there needs to be serious, sober questions asked about the player evaluation capabilities on this coaching staff.
July 10th, 2015 at 8:09 am
Yeah except the Bucs cut mccown received nothing but won’t trade glennon for a draft pick
July 10th, 2015 at 8:15 am
Even if Glennon starts week one, I don’t think he’ll be starting week 10.
July 10th, 2015 at 8:15 am
First of all….there is NO controversy….there is really little question which QB they intend to start……sure, there is a thin chance that Glennon outperforms Winston early-on.
The difference between this year and last is Koetter….his opinions have been added to the mix and perhaps Glennon plays very well in his system….that still doesn’t get him the starting job….but it might be getting him the reps.
July 10th, 2015 at 8:22 am
McCown’s forced slotting as the the starting QB shows how stubborn and hard headed Lovie can be. It’s clearly his Achilles heel and may be his downfall.
July 10th, 2015 at 8:38 am
I believe that Lovie Smith never replaced McCown with Glennon because McCown was a better “athlete” and had better skills to scramble behind an awful offensive line. That’s a very clear explanation for the QB decision during a horrible season. A stationary Glennon would have gotten killed. I also believe that Glennon will be Smith’s first choice during the pre-season games until they find out what kind of offensive line the BUCS have before opening day. Winston is a stationary target, just as Glennon is and why take the chance of losing Winston in a pre-season game!!!! Just a thought.
July 10th, 2015 at 8:54 am
This is why Joe thinks it is crazy to believe Glennon will start the season. If Glennon was good enough to start, then why the hell wasn’t he playing last year for turnover-prone Josh McClown, who was positively brutal?
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Two words: Lovie Smith
July 10th, 2015 at 9:03 am
If I recall -the last QB (Picked 1st overall) that didn’t start his 1st year was Carson Palmer (circa.2003). If you remember at the time it was considered- a masterful move in terms of Palmers confidence and overall development (until Kimo von Oelhoffen destroyed his knee in AFC Conference Championship game)-He was considered by many to be, one of the ELITE young QB’s.
Look, worst case səˈnerēˌō – Glennon starts (ala Drew Brees/Philip Rivers). Except we trump the Chargers, by trading away the QB the solidifies the position.
Let the Best Man Win!!
Go BUCS!
July 10th, 2015 at 9:08 am
*Except we trump the Chargers, by trading away the QB that *doesn’t solidify the position.
July 10th, 2015 at 9:12 am
“Others are of the mind this is truly an open competition.”
There are probably very few, even among the MGM, that truly believe that this is an open competition. It *should* be an open competition, but based on last year’s personnel decisions it probably is not. Still, they seem to be at least going through the motions this year, which is an improvement. It gave Jameis the opportunity to show some humility, which probably helped his perception among his teammates.
The bright side is that we have 2 good options at QB. In the short term, Glennon may have the edge based on his NFL level experience, but Winston’s intangibles even the odds quite a bit. I think there is no doubt about who is the better long term prospect.
I’ll argue with Joe ’til I’m blue in the face about trading away Glennon (this year), but I wouldn’t bet against Joe about who will start week 1.
July 10th, 2015 at 9:18 am
“…but Mike Glennon is going to do his best to win it.”
I do not see any reason to believe this. He certainly hasn’t made the best of his opportunities thus far. And I’m not just talking about in game opportunities. People talk about him not having a fair chance…that is simply not true.
All last season, he could have won coaches over in practice. He could have given them a reason to believe it would be worth gambling on him. He could have shown growth.
He didn’t. The Mike Glennon we see now is the exact same Mike Glennon that was drafted by Schiano. No growth at all.
And don’t blame it on coaching. Glennon is a grown man. He’s had two off seasons. He could have worked hard to improve. Perhaps that is the problem.
He doesn’t work like a guy trying to earn a starting role.
July 10th, 2015 at 9:23 am
It’s simple Joe,
1. Lovie didn’t draft Glennon – and we saw all year Lovie separating himself from those brought on by previous regimes (regardless of the talent). Hell, V Jax wasn’t necessarily getting a vote of confidence midway through the year, for the 2015 season.
2. Lovie recruited McCown as the starter of the Bucs, in addition to guaranteeing the gold ol’ back rub he used to give in Chicago.
July 10th, 2015 at 9:36 am
If Lovie truly believed Glennon is the quarterback of the future why would you stick him out there in front of a god awful offense offensive line and no Offensive Coordinator. You wouldn’t sacrifice a young, cheap, decent back up QB when your season is already down the tubes and you know there’s no way you could sell fans or ownership on bringing back McCown another year. Lovie is smart enough to know a few cheap wins wasn’t going to make a damn difference
July 10th, 2015 at 9:37 am
If glennon and winston are in the same region as far as talent and understanding of the offense and what we as a team want to do then i’d rather go with winston but if glennon shows in preseason he’s got the goods and he can run the offense better then even a glennon hater like me would go with him in hopes he can get us wins but if we’re not winnin with glennon then off with his head, theres no point in putting in the more experience quarterback if he cant win games
July 10th, 2015 at 9:53 am
If MG is ahead of Winston AT THE END OF THE PRESEASON, he should start. That is a no brainer. And no I’m not a MGM member. I’m just keeping it REAL folks!
BTW Glennon is 1-0 against Dick LeBeau the Steelers defense of coordinator last year….
…In Lovie and Licht I TRUST!
I’m the 1st and real Touch Down Tampa Bay.
July 10th, 2015 at 9:56 am
Byrne-
“Winston is a stationary target, just as Glennon is” ?
Not sure if this was a mistake or maybe you’ve never seen Winston play in a game and are just comparing 40 times. Either way this statement is completely false.
My take on this is it will be a non issue once the lights go on. Some players practice better than they play and some players play better than they practice. Winston is definitely the latter.
July 10th, 2015 at 9:59 am
I don’t see how u can hate Lovie Smith when he came in and did the best thing anyone has ever done within the entire organization. Poor decisions, awful personal moves and thrown games were a brilliant cloak for our ultimate descent to greatness through our savior Jameis Winston. The prophets told of a great man who would experience horrific defeat at the hands of many, only to rise up and claim revenge upon his foes with the help of a young child from the noble tribe of the Seminole.
July 10th, 2015 at 10:01 am
I think Winston will start the season opener. Depending on how he and the team plays, what comes next is just a guess at this point. I like Glennon and believe he has the edge in certain areas. To say he has shown no improvement is just plain BS. I also think Winston needs the live action to improve. I’m pulling for the both of them to have success.
July 10th, 2015 at 10:03 am
Question: Do you really think that Aaron Rodgers is elite without his OC???
Im not an MGMer but some of you guys crack me up with your hatred of MG and not understanding what it is like to play QB
July 10th, 2015 at 10:05 am
Glennon out played him in camp plain And simple.
Jameis had a ton of talent around him in college. He had the best line by far and talented wideouts can u say 18 picks.
Mariota buried Mettenburger in ota’s and mini camp it wasn’t even close.
Like it or not those guys R attached at the hip.
Jameis will be between 10-15 the best qb marcus will be top 3
July 10th, 2015 at 10:25 am
With 85% of OTAs closed to the media and 0% open to the public somehow Destinjohny knows for a fact that Jameis was clearly outplayed in the OTAs. FYI ‘Camp’ hasn’t started yet unless you know that already too.
The Titans changed their entire offense to suit Mariotia’s skill set so they have no intention of opening up the QB position to competition.
July 10th, 2015 at 10:28 am
Glennon starts the whole season in 2014 and we would have been choosing a DE in the top 10 picks in this year’s draft… Winston is either a Titan or a Raider.
If the first overall pick was not our vision from day 1, it was after Tedford got sick.
Second guessing a coach during his tanking year is just going to make you nuts(or more nuts-we are Bucs fans after all).
July 10th, 2015 at 10:33 am
So I was doing a negotiation with a bucs employee a couple weeks back.
He told me that Glennon is simply really impressing them with his on the field performance. Very emphatically stated by him.
Note this is a guy who is on the practice fields.
Does it mean anything, maybe not, but it does make you think.
If he is really better, and your job is on the line, what would you do?
July 10th, 2015 at 10:48 am
This is so stupid…. 2014 facts:
No OC
Rookie QB coach covering OC’s position and calling plays.
Josh calling plays at line
With shit for a line….
MG never got a fair shot and I can’t believe Joe’s are so closed minded to that fact
Why destroy a young QB that did not create any of the Bucs BS over the 13 and 14 seasons?
Yes it’s that friggin simple.
MG will be playing this year you can count on that with the new OC we have.
July 10th, 2015 at 10:49 am
Johnny. Your FSU statements are true for two seasons ago, but not last year. Notice the season with great talent he did not throw a bunch of INTs. What is going to make Mariota different from all the other running QBs?
July 10th, 2015 at 10:56 am
I bought some weed from that guy too imathenone. He grows the grass and cuts the grass.
If my job was on the line I’d start Jameis. It buys you time and if history tells you anything it gives you the best chance to win.
This myth that Glennon played so much better than McCown last year has grown larger by the day. Glennon played slightly better and when started playing the OL and team overall wasn’t as awful. Glennon wouldn’t still be playing football if he started the 1st few games.
July 10th, 2015 at 11:07 am
Also every reporter that covered the team said the same thing.
Stanglassman Says:
July 10th, 2015 at 10:25 am
With 85% of OTAs closed to the media and 0% open to the public somehow Destinjohny knows for a fact that Jameis was clearly outplayed in the OTAs. FYI ‘Camp’ hasn’t started yet unless you know that already too.
imathenone Says:
July 10th, 2015 at 10:33 am
So I was doing a negotiation with a bucs employee a couple weeks back.
He told me that Glennon is simply really impressing them with his on the field performance. Very emphatically stated by him.
Note this is a guy who is on the practice fields.
Does it mean anything, maybe not, but it does make you think.
July 10th, 2015 at 11:26 am
sorry off topic but doesn’t the 8 on the jerseys kinda look like a zero you know sometimes zeros have a slash in them like on calculators? lol
July 10th, 2015 at 11:32 am
Johny-
The same reporters that only watched a small samplings of the practices? BTW no reports said Glennon was clearing outplaying Jameis. Please provide evidence. I read just about everything out there, esp all the local guys. It was really mixed with some days Jameis playing better and others days Glennon played well. I do believe Glennon practices well and is a good backup. Turn the lights on and bring the blitz and it won’t be close.
Re methadone-
I thought it was a interesting coincidence too that right after I wrote that the OTAs weren’t open to the (barely)media and public that someone happened to just be talking to someone who worked on the practice field who loved Glennon.
July 10th, 2015 at 11:40 am
glennon’s weakness shows up when the lights come on and he can get hit not in training camp so saying he outplayed a rookie in ota’s lol it may be true but glennon is not the guy who’s every pass is on display on buccaneer.com. glennon doesn’t sell jerseys he doesn’t sell tickets and he doesn’t move the needle in tampa or on talk radio. glennon is just a guy and even if he did start the season I doubt he’d have the starting job after the bye week unless the bucs are undefeated and still even then it’s not like we’ll be undefeated because of glennon
July 10th, 2015 at 11:50 am
Lovie Smith Started McCown because he was a scumbag who wanted the first round draft pick.
Winners win and loses coach up a team to lose.
Russell Wilson was a 3rd round pick and is now a top 5 QB.
Lovie is bad for Tampa Bay.
July 10th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
Lovie Smith Started McCown because he was a scumbag who wanted the first round draft pick.
someone sounds extremely bitter and it’s kinda funny but it’s the dummiest thing I ever heard so I wont bother to waste time commenting but….
Russell Wilson is not a top 5 quarterback. his accomplishments have everything to do with his running back and defense. he has a top 3 running back and a top 3 defense. fact seattle were dead last in passing attempts his rookie year and last year. they were 31st in 2013 but hey I fyou wanna say he’s a top five scrambling quarterback lol yea sure but the dude has yet to throw for 3,500 yards
July 10th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
McCown wasn’t pulled because Smith knew even wining one game would keep the #1 pick oput of reach. Two wins would mean no Winston OR Mariota.
Bucs fans owe McCown a debt of gratitude.
July 10th, 2015 at 1:09 pm
I guarantee glennon starts. He’s been shredding jameis at practice according to people at obp.
July 10th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
Cool nothing gets me to come out of the woodwork like a good Glennon or Schiano piece, so I’ll add a click or two…big MGM supporter that I am even I realize that Glennon will have to play lights out head and shoulders above Winston in preseason to even get considered for opening day. He seems like a good dude, a student of the game, and (I believe anyway) capable of being a solid starting NFL QB with a average or better coaching/team around him. His two detriments are (1) he wasn’t picked by Licht/Lovie and (2) Licht’s Winston boner pretty much ties his GM tenure in Tampa to getting Jameis on the field and succeeding. Give ’em hell Cannon…don’t go down quietly. My guess is that in a similar system that saw Matt Ryan make a huge leap from OK to good we’d see a similar growth and improvement from Mikey Ice Glennon, but unfortunately he probably won’t be given the chance to display that in Tampa anyway.
July 10th, 2015 at 1:52 pm
@ToesOnTheLine!
#Respect
Well said brotha
July 10th, 2015 at 2:16 pm
YOU NAILED IT: “there needs to be serious, sober questions asked about the player evaluation capabilities on this coaching staff.”
July 10th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
Joe has a better chance of fathering Raquel Watsons love child.
July 10th, 2015 at 6:37 pm
“Glennon’s Chances Of Starting”
Barring a pre-season injury to Winston (involuntary shudder) – that would be 0%
July 10th, 2015 at 7:25 pm
You honestly think glennon would have only won two games all season???..
You didnt say that exactly but saying while else would lovie have benched him for mccown….you know the answer to that question. You know they were in the chase for jameis but on the flip side you act like they really did everything in theyre power to win. Lovie tanked and they know glennon is worth something.
Theyre going to start Glennon to showcase what he can do under koetter and raise his trade stock. There is no sense in just trying to retain him as our long term backup because he will walk for nothing looking for an opportunity. I think it would make more sense to start glennon for the long term benefits. It will let winston sit and prepare mentally a little bit more. It will be a win win and they will still win games this season
July 10th, 2015 at 7:29 pm
GLENNON’S CHANCE OF STARTING?
Let me quote the immortal Dean Vernon Wormer of Faber College……
Zero.
Point…..
………ZERO.
July 10th, 2015 at 7:45 pm
“Fat, Drunk and Stupid is no way to go through life, son.”
July 10th, 2015 at 9:41 pm
I’m with ‘Toes’ and ‘The original “Kevin”‘, but then, *I* won’t be making any of those decisions. And, outside of ‘GatorBoy’ (cough), there is no one in here, who truly knows how this will all shake out.
I am just hoping for wins.
July 10th, 2015 at 9:57 pm
Glendon should start to plain and simply see what he’s got. Aaron Rodgers sat for three years, and it did him well. Jamie’s could use the time to continue to develop and further display he’s a leader. It will give Glennon the ability to show case his play, and to demonstrate that he is a “student of the game” by mastering his third offense in three seasons.
Glennon never had a chance last year. Lovie was loyal to the veteran qb. This year, Glennon is the vet.
July 10th, 2015 at 10:13 pm
There is a reason Jameis was drafted 1st overall in this draft. Many teams would have wanted him. The Bucs gave no chance for a trade up. There was a reason Glennon was drafted in the 3rd round. Even that might have been high knowing Shiano was pissing his pants to get him. Glennon wants to be a starter and maybe he will have a chance this year, but you don’t draft a QB with the 1st pick and say we are going to let him sit. He isn’t as talented as MG8? Of course he is,..way more talented. Glennons arm isn’t the rocket everyone thinks it is. How many times did he under throw VJ. MG8 is serviceable…I get that. I get we can raise his stock, but to put another season on the line when we got our QB,…then you must be asking to get fired.
July 11th, 2015 at 7:33 am
At the combine Glennon’s pass velocity was the lowest of all throwing qbs. Plain and simple Glennon will be carrying a clipboard and cheerleading Jameis through a head set. My only wish would be if we could redeem draft pick out of “Cannon”